---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/23/05: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:00 AM - Re: New Mk lll is Born (Jim Ballenger) 2. 04:24 AM - Re: propstrike. (pat ladd) 3. 04:59 AM - Re: New Mk lll is Born (pat ladd) 4. 05:29 AM - Re: New Mk lll is Born (robert bean) 5. 06:40 AM - Re: Ronnies... (Kolbdriver) 6. 07:51 AM - EIS (Paul Petty) 7. 09:21 AM - Re: Ronnies... (WillUribe@aol.com) 8. 10:59 AM - 2nd Flight Pictures (Mike Pierzina) 9. 01:26 PM - Re: propstrike. aka Concorde (Robert Noyer) 10. 03:52 PM - EIS delay? Formerly Ronnies (John Jung) 11. 04:28 PM - Smiling Weather Gods (Cat36Fly@aol.com) 12. 06:04 PM - Re: EIS delay? Formerly Ronnies (Robert Noyer) 13. 08:46 PM - [ Eugene Zimmerman ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 14. 09:22 PM - [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 15. 09:50 PM - Storm (Larry Bourne) 16. 09:50 PM - Re: EIS (Denny Rowe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:42 AM PST US From: "Jim Ballenger" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Mk lll is Born --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" Great. Let us know how she flies. Jim Ballenger MK III X 582 Virginia Beach, VA Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: New Mk lll is Born > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com > > N615RT received her "Experimental" airworthiness certificate today. As > soon > as the weather here in Delaware gets half decent she will try out her > wings. > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:53 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: propstrike. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" The way the story goes on this side of the pond is:>> Hi, very interesting, Not surprisingly I hadn`t heard that version. I think your story is better. I was lucky enough to have flown on Concorde twice, once to Eygpt (for the day) and once to the US. That second bulkhead the chicken went through must be the one with the mach meter on it. On my flight a cheer went up as we clocked Mach 1 but there was a great burst of applause as we we clocked Mach 2. I made sure that I was under the flight path when Concorde flew back into Bristol, where she was born, on her last flight. A tear jerking moment believe me. She was so beautiful it brought a catch to the throat just to see her fly over. Cheers Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:02 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Mk lll is Born --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" N615RT received her "Experimental" airworthiness certificate today. As soon as the weather here in Delaware gets half decent she will try out her wings.>> Hi, Congratulations and hopes for decent weather. I hope to get the Permission to Test Certificate next week. Then, like you it depends on the weather. A further complication is that preliminary testing will be done at the dealers field which is `oop North` where not only is the weather worse but it gets dark earlier than where I live in `the effete South`. In Europe ,clocks go back shortly as well so that is another hour clipped off available flying time. Cheers Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:06 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Mk lll is Born --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Very good. Send some details and a pic to photoshare. -BB do not archive On 22, Oct 2005, at 6:12 PM, Cat36Fly@aol.com wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com > > N615RT received her "Experimental" airworthiness certificate today. > As soon > as the weather here in Delaware gets half decent she will try out her > wings. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:02 AM PST US From: "Kolbdriver" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ronnies... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" Paul, I'm not sure what sensors they are using but my EGT certainly does not have 30 - 60 seconds delay. I use EIS and the probes were bought from Grand Rapids also. When flying at cruise speed and reduce throttle the EGT reading responds almost immediently. I have experienced one 2 stroke engine failure that was not detected by EIS either but I wouldn't expect it to catch a rod bearing failure. EGT is only one indicator. Steven > Michael (great guy) said "We have had in our club alone 7 engine outs (can't remember the time frame) and not one was detected by the EIS in terms of EGT" Please don't quote me on that but you get the jest as to why I paid attention. > He further explained why. The EIS lags the actual readings of the EGT's by 30 seconds to 1 minute. He also added that the problem is not the EIS unit it's self but the probes that send the EIS this info. Interesting? I think so. John Hawk added (In true "Hawk" fashion) "you can add all the bells and whistles you want to.. I like my gauges..." Old geezer HA gotta love that guy! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:33 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: EIS required 4.6, BAYES_40 -0.00, HTML_60_70 0.11, HTML_MESSAGE 0.25) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Thanks Steven, This may be something worth looking into. Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:53 AM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Ronnies... --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com Hi Paul, I have to say the read outs no my EIS do not lag. Here at our airport, every one of the pilots who have suffered an engine out were relying on there old fashion styled steam gauges. I went with the EIS because I enjoy looking out side so I'm not monitoring the engine gauges 100% of the time. When the big red light and the numbers on the EIS start flashing they get my attention right way. I guess it's a matter of preference what you install on the instrument panel. Some like the look of a "real airplane instrument panel" so they go with the old fashion steam gauges. Some pilots like the attention grabbing warning light of the EIS. It is like buying a Ford or a Chevrolet, your choice. Regards, Will Uribe El Paso, TX FireStar II N4GU C-172 N2506U http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/ do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Petty Subject: Kolb-List: Ronnies... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Lynnp@c-gate.net Michael (great guy) said "We have had in our club alone 7 engine outs (can't remember the time frame) and not one was detected by the EIS in terms of EGT" Please don't quote me on that but you get the jest as to why I paid attention. He further explained why. The EIS lags the actual readings of the EGT's by 30 seconds to 1 minute. He also added that the problem is not the EIS unit it's self but the probes that send the EIS this info. Interesting? I think so. John Hawk added (In true "Hawk" fashion) "you can add all the bells and whistles you want to.. I like my gauges..." Old geezer HA gotta love that guy! My question is this... If this is true can it be fixed? Is there better probes or sensors out there? BTW all 7 were two cycle rotax engines. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:30 AM PST US From: Mike Pierzina Subject: Kolb-List: 2nd Flight Pictures --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina I took them with my old 35 mm camera....My Digital camera is harder to handle....there not the greatest.... http://frogflyers.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=258#258 Gotta Fly... Mike in MN Do not archive My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:07 PM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: propstrike. aka Concorde --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer In early 70s I was commuting between N. VA and suburban Philly in my old 172. Always filed IFR to in/out of the BAL/DCA mess. One time BAL approach warned me that I had traffic at 10 o'clock...make that 11 now...aw, no factor. So I said no joy. He said traffic was way above, SpeedBird into IAD. So I missed a chance to get chummy with Concorde. regards, Bob N. ronoy@shentel.net http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:00 PM PST US From: John Jung Subject: Kolb-List: EIS delay? Formerly Ronnies --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung Paul and Group, I can tell you that my own experience with an EIS does seem very different that what you reported. If I fly at a steady speed and attitude, so that the EGT is steady, and then push the stick forward to unload the prop, the EGT will show the change almost immediately (within a few seconds). Also, I have not noticed any delay in the red light coming on. I can watch the EGT's exceed my limit and there is no noticeable delay. Maybe Michael would be willing to give us his source of information. John Jung Firestar II 503 (Flying with an EIS the last 5 years) On Oct 22, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > Michael Highsmith brought up an interesting point concerning > the EIS that many of us use or are planning to use. And I noticed a > post of this > topic on today's list of e-mail traffic. > Michael (great guy) said "We have had in our club alone 7 engine outs > (can't remember > the time frame) and not one was detected by the EIS in terms of EGT" > Please > don't quote me on that but you get the jest as to why I paid attention. > He further explained why. The EIS lags the actual readings of the > EGT's by 30 seconds > to 1 minute. He also added that the problem is not the EIS unit it's > self > but the probes that send the EIS this info. Interesting? I think so. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:57 PM PST US From: Cat36Fly@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Smiling Weather Gods --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com Today; Thanks to the weather gods watching over Delaware, Science and understanding again overcame fear and superstition. Another Extra (615RT) has taken wing!!! She is a bit heavy on the left side, but stalls about 34 mph (clean), climbs quite briskly and boy what a view. Put .5 hrs on the bird. Now for some fine tuning. do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:42 PM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS delay? Formerly Ronnies --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer The only delay I might have with my EIS is responding to what I see! Otherwise I believe it reports as soon as it gets the info. regards, Bob N. ronoy@shentel.net http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:17 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: [ Eugene Zimmerman ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Eugene Zimmerman Lists: Kolb-List Subject: Formation Flying Under the Bridge http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com.10.23.2005/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:54 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Mike Pierzina Lists: Kolb-List,Ultralight-List Subject: First Flight in my Kolb - Firestar II http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/planecrazzzy@yahoo.com.10.23.2005/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:54 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: Storm --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Good Luck to all you guys in south and central Florida over the next couple of days. Looks like you're in for a bit o' a blow. I hope you've all battened down the hatches. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:58 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Put me down as an EIS advocate, I love mine and also see very rapid updates of CHTs and EGTs. Denny Rowe, Mk-3