---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/25/05: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:42 AM - EIS lag (Paul Petty) 2. 06:57 AM - Re: EIS (Jeremy Casey) 3. 09:47 AM - Re: EIS lag (Mitty) 4. 11:39 AM - Matt, Why Am I Blocked? (skyrider2) 5. 11:49 AM - fuses (b young) 6. 12:08 PM - Re: Smiling Weather Gods (Jim Ballenger) 7. 05:17 PM - Re: Smiling Weather Gods (Cat36Fly@aol.com) 8. 05:37 PM - Re: EIS lag (John Hauck) 9. 08:02 PM - Re: fuses (woody) 10. 09:09 PM - Re: fuses (Larry Bourne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:53 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: EIS lag required 4.6, BAYES_40 -0.00, HTML_50_60 0.10, HTML_MESSAGE 0.25) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Thanks to all for the info. Seams one needs to ask around about these things. I plan on a EIS for Ms. Dixie. After I posted the remarks about the lag I did a little checking with club members. All responded with the same answer as you guys. I only have a couple of more panels to make then it's instrument panel time! I'm rather proud of how the fuel access door worked out and here are a few photos if any care to look. Thanks again take care Paul http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PA230005.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PA230013.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PA230014.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PA230024.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PA230023.JPG ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:48 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: EIS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" I'll add my $.02 on the EIS...don't intend to own another plane without one... Originally used it cause the panel was so small and it saved space...later I learned that it was an INCREDIBLE piece of instrument. Take this for what it's worth...I was told dozens of times at fly-ins that "I can't stand those digital things...I want a needle to look at, etc. etc." In every case I asked, "How long you flown behind one?" Almost every time the answer was "NEVER" A few times the answer was "1 flight" or something like that. I will admit it takes a few hours to get comfortable with it, but what new piece of equipment doesn't? People seem to like to belittle things they know nothing about... As for Grand Rapids, the company...I have to put them in the top 1% of companies I've ever dealt with. While installing the first one I flew with, I mistakenly touched 12 volts to something I shouldn't have. I called them up and was upfront and honest with them about what I did and asked what it would cost to fix it. To paraphrase what they said, If you can figure out a way to fry it, we want to see it to see how you did it and fix it so it want do it again. That is called product improvement folks. I put it in a box and next day shipped it to them, they fixed it same day and they next day shipped it back to me...on their dime! The cost for that repair??? Zilch... And if you passed your color matching test in kindergarten you can install it... Jeremy Casey Kitfox builder...(couldn't help it, got an unstarted complete kit for a song...) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" Paul, I talked with Sandy at Grand Rapids today and found out the EIS updates the screen 2 times per SECOND. Those are good folks at Grand Rapids, I have talked with them several times. I put them right up there with Travis, Dondi, and Jim. The beauty of the EIS is the alarm feature. After you set the alarm limits for min and max on all parameters the EIS will flash a red light if any thing gets out of limits. In the event of an alarm the screen changes to display that parameter. "Scanning the gauges" with an EIS consists of looking at the red light. Steven ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:55 AM PST US From: Mitty Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS lag --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mitty Looks pretty dang nice I tell ya! Paul your da man...I don't care what tehy say ;) M --- Paul Petty wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > > Thanks to all for the info. Seams one needs to ask > around about these things. I plan on a EIS for Ms. > Dixie. After I posted the remarks about the lag I > did a little checking with club members. All > responded with the same answer as you guys. > I only have a couple of more panels to make then > it's instrument panel time! I'm rather proud of how > the fuel access door worked out and here are a few > photos if any care to look. > > Thanks again take care > > Paul > > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PA230005.JPG > > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PA230013.JPG > > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PA230014.JPG > > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PA230024.JPG > > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PA230023.JPG > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:39:08 AM PST US From: "skyrider2" Subject: Kolb-List: Matt, Why Am I Blocked? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "skyrider2" Your message to: kolb-list@matronics.com was blocked by our Spam Firewall. The email you sent with the following subject has NOT BEEN DELIVERED: Subject: This Weekend? by barracuda.matronics.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id CD8A58408 by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) From: "skyrider2" Subject: This Weekend? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:00 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Kolb-List: fuses --> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" it seems that matronics striped out all of my ( equal ) signs...... so i will try again boyd ---------------------- this has been MY rule of thumb I try to put my electrical loads between 50 % and 75 % of the fuse rating.... example 1: a 3 amp fuse" 3 times .5 equals 1.5 3 times .75 equals 2.25 the protected circut should be between 1.5 and 2.25 amps. Example 2: starting with a circut that uses 2.75 amps 2.75 devided by .5 equals 5.5 2.75 devided by .75 equals 3.67 fuse for 2.75 amp load should be between 3.67 and 5.5 amps. I would use a 5 amp.... Example 3: fuse for an altinator that produces 60 watts. since watts equals amps times volts.... devide 60 watts by 12 volts and you have 5 amps max output..... 5 devided by .5 equals 10 5 devided by .75 equals 6.67 the fuse should be between 6.67 and 10 putting a fuse on a radio is exactly the same only different a radio will show 2 amp ratings.... 1 for listening, and 1 for transmitting...... the fuse has to be large enough to handle the transmitting loads. maybe someone elce has a different idea.... and if the manufacture of a device makes a recomendation, follow it. 1 more item that i could cover: some devices have an inrush current that is different than the steady state amp draw... the best way to protect these devices is to put in a "slow blow" fuse... these fuses will usually allow double the rated amp for 1 to 2 seconds before they blow.... anything more than double the rating will blow it instantly and and anything over the rating for longer than a couple of seconds will blow it... boyd do archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:14 PM PST US From: "Jim Ballenger" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Smiling Weather Gods --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" Larry My first flight pitch was way off. I had to hold full forward stick to maintain level flight and just relax the hold a bit to bring the nose up. I tried to adjust the pitch with the ailerons for the second flight but couldn't get enough down so I mounted the HZ stab brackets and used the top hole for solo flight. Keep me informed of your performance and impressions. I absolutely think the 582 and X are a great combination for solo flight. I have 48 hours on mine (all solo) but I think when the weather breaks here on Thursday, I'm going to fly my first passenger, my wife. Jim Ballenger MK III X 582 Virginia Beach, VA Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Smiling Weather Gods > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com > > Jim; > > Funny you should ask! My HS leading edge is just above the center of the > boom tube as shown in the plans. I have the new brackets to change the > location > but wanted to see how it fly's prior to any changes. Today I adjusted the > alienors a bit and am waiting for good weather again. Now that I know what > to > expect from the bird I will fly in less than ideal conditions (a little > breeze, > 3 miles, and 1000 ft +/-) > > I will probably need a trim tab also even though I put the battery to the > right side. Once I get lateral stability (or close) I'll work on the pitch > (a > bit nose high right now). How was your original pitch attitude (first > flight) > and what corrections were needed? > > I used you prop setting numbers and set mine at 10 degrees. It seems good > for now and saved me some time. THANKS! > > Larry Tasker > 615RT > Xtra/582/3 blade Warp (Taper Tip) > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:51 PM PST US From: Cat36Fly@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Smiling Weather Gods --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com Jim; Hoping to get some flying in this week also to check results of adjustments. May call you direct in the future as I am a lousy typist. My wife has flown a lot with me (Alaska and back) but I'm not sure she will get in this bird. It's much smaller than the Cardinal but she may surprise me. At any rate she has a while to decide (39.5 hrs). Larry Do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:03 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS lag --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" After I posted the remarks about the lag I did a little checking with club members. All responded with the same answer as you guys. Paul P/Gang: We were talking about pilot reaction, not necessarily instrument. Steam gauges and EIS respond rapidly to temperature changes in the engine. In the case of EGT, usually the engine has seized by the time the pilot responds to the high temp situation. That is what Mike Highsmith and I were discussing at Lucedale, MS, this weekend. I don't think one type is any better or worse than the other. Some of us like steam gauges and some like EIS. I have been fortunate to put time in the air behind both systems. I, personally, still prefer the old fashioned system. John W, on the other hand, who has many hours flying glass cockpits, likes the EIS. I did have an engine seizure twice on the same 582 with in 30 minutes. Never did catch up with the Dual EGTs. Can not tell you if they told me before the engine seized or not. Too late now. ;-) john h ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:04 PM PST US From: "woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: fuses --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" While on the topic of fuses but of topic for Kolb. I wish to add some more fuses to my old English car ( sorry Pat but this car does not live up to the high esteme the world holds it to). They have a habit of burning up under the dash. If I add extra fuses what will the result be. If I have two 10 ohm fuses in series will I still have it blow at 10 or will I have uped the rate to 20 ohm? do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:57 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: fuses --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Yah, many (too many) years ago my old Triumph TR3 used to like to catch fire, too - usually in the middle of a hot date. Sorry, Woody - 2 fuses in series have the same capacity as 1. If you want more protection, break the load into smaller increments, increase the fuse size, (and make sure the wiring is heavy enuf for the increased load) or (ugh) put them in parallel....which is possible, I guess, but I've never really seen it done. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: fuses > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" > > While on the topic of fuses but of topic for Kolb. I wish to add some > more > fuses to my old English car ( sorry Pat but this car does not live up to > the > high esteme the world holds it to). They have a habit of burning up under > the dash. If I add extra fuses what will the result be. If I have two 10 > ohm > fuses in series will I still have it blow at 10 or will I have uped the > rate > to 20 ohm? > > do not archive > > >