---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/04/05: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:10 AM - "What's my Contribution used for?" [PLEASE READ!] (Matt Dralle) 2. 04:15 AM - The DC ADIZ NPRM (alan@reichertech.com) 3. 07:24 AM - Trip 2 (Larry Bourne) 4. 08:34 AM - U.S. Navy Commander, Departing... (Beauford) 5. 10:16 AM - Re: U.S. Navy Commander, Departing... (Bob N.) 6. 10:44 AM - Re: U.S. Navy Commander, Departing... (Dennis Souder) 7. 01:38 PM - Re: U.S. Navy Commander, Departing... (DCulver701@aol.com) 8. 05:03 PM - Re: U.S. Navy Commander, Departing... (Richard Swiderski) 9. 05:41 PM - Re: U.S. Navy Commander, Departing... (Ralph) 10. 05:54 PM - Kolb on ebay.. (Don Gherardini) 11. 06:10 PM - Re: U.S. Navy Commander, Departing... (Kirk Smith) 12. 09:33 PM - Re: Kolb on ebay.. (Dennis Souder) 13. 11:11 PM - Re: Kolb on ebay.. (Denny Rowe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:30 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: "What's my Contribution used for?" [PLEASE READ!] --> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?", and this is certainly a valid question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides for the very expensive, business-class, high-speed T1 Internet connection used on the List, insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine and List Browser. It pays for 16+ years worth of online archive data available for instant random access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, and PhotoShare. But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements about these days? I will venture to say - next to none... It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many desirable aspects of this most valuable List service. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the best investments you can make in your Sport... List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:25 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: The DC ADIZ NPRM From: alan@reichertech.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com Hello, All! Please pardon this intrusion. This note is not specific to your particular list, but regardless of what you are building, restoring, or flying, an issue exists that could potentially affect all of you who fly in the United States. That issue is the Washington DC ADIZ. This ADIZ was put into effect as a temporary protective measure for Washington DC airspace after 9/11. There is now an NPRM out to make this airspace *permanent*. The original comment period for this NPRM expired yesterday, November 2. However, the FAA has now extended the comment period for another 90 days, so if you did not get your comments in, HERE IS YOUR CHANCE! Information on the ADIZ, and why we are fighting it, can be found here: http://www.aopa.org/adizalert/ I live underneath the current DC ADIZ, so I get to play with this every time I fly. The AOPA page above gives a good summary of what has happened in this area since it's inception. Help on formulating comments for this NPRM can be found here: http://www.aopa.org/adizalert/help.html Comments on this NPRM can be submitted (online) to the DOT here: http://dms.dot.gov/submit/ Instructions on how to navigate and fill out the DOT page to submit your comments are available here: http://www.aopa.org/adizalert/faa_help.html There are over 18000 comments against this NPRM at this time. If yours is not one of them, please take the time now to submit your comments; every one helps. If this ADIZ becomes permanent, then there could be an ADIZ coming to an airspace near you in the future! I thank Matt for allowing me to send this to you. Even if you don't live near the DC area, please do what you can to protect your flying priviledges... submit your comments! Regards, -- Alan Reichert C-182 Driver/RV-8 Builder Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:56 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: Trip 2 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I'm catching up with my web pages in a hurry now. Just finished "Vacation 2004-2," the story of my trip north to Canada after returning from Florida. Kolb related ?? Certainly - I visited with Larry and Karen Cottrell at their camp in the Alvord Desert, where several Kolb-ers also visited them after the Monument Valley fly-in last May. Take a look at: http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/trip042.html , or navigate thru Traveling on my website in the link below. I hope you enjoy them. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:12 AM PST US From: "Beauford" Subject: Kolb-List: U.S. Navy Commander, Departing... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" Kolb Listers: I Regret to inform you of the passing of "Skip" Staub on 02 November at Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa. It was a long, hard fight and Skip gave it his usual all-out, max effort. Skip was a long-time Kolb Ultrastar owner-pilot, a pioneer member of this Kolb List, and an American Patriot. He served 20 years as a U.S. Naval Aviator and was one of that services' highest time pilots in the Vought F8U Crusader, the last of the Navy's single-engine "hot" gunfighters. To give an idea of the kind of man he was, please permit me to offer a brief war-story on Skip...I read the narrative about it one time when he wasn't looking and he's not here to raise hell with me for telling it, so here goes... One rainy evening about 40 years ago, while serving as an exchange pilot with the USAF, flying the F-100D fighter-bomber from Tuy Hoa air base RVN, he was launched, along with one wing man, in response to a call for help from a small U.S. Special Forces camp. The camp was located in bad terrain in a neighboring country close to the Viet Nam border and it was in the process of being overrun by a large force of North Vietnamese Army regulars. As Skip's flight arrived in the area, the thickening weather forced the forward air controller and a flight of F-4's which had been orbiting over the camp to break off and go home with their ordnance undropped. Skip made FM radio contact with the camp commander and could hear the intensity of the firefight in the background. The man said words to the effect that it was all going to be over soon unless some close air support materialized... He only had about 60 guys and some local irregulars facing what appeared to be a full regiment of NVA... The enemy had closed to within about 100 meters of the front gate and it was getting dicey. Skip told him that all he had were "dumb" Mk 82 iron bombs and even if they could figure out a way to get down into the valley under the overcast, that was far too close to be delivering them, particularly attacking up the valley toward the friendlies. The camp commander radioed back that they would "rather be killed by Americans than by these bastards" and to bring it on... Skip asked his Air Force 1LT wingman if he was game to try it and got an affirmative response. For the next fifteen minutes, Skip and his wing man alternately pressed home bombing and strafing attacks in the failing light under the 300 foot overcast ceiling in the mountain valley. Forced to trust the notoriously inaccurate tactical maps of the area, they used the peaks of the mountains they could see poking through the cloud tops to orient their timed dead-reckoning descents at 400 knots through the solid clag, breaking out just above the valley floor on each pass and following the river to the fight at the camp. Each made four descents into the weather and four attacks... dropping two 500 lb. bombs on each of the first two passes, and strafing with their four 20 mm cannon on each of the last two passes. The NVA attack was disrupted and then aborted... the enemy forces withdrew as darkness fell. Because of the accuracy of the delivery and some deep digging, no serious friendly casualties were taken from the bombs or the strafing. The camp was relieved the following morning. Each and every American in the camp wrote a personal letter to Skip, and the same for his wingman. There are some Americans (and their children) walking around on this planet today because these two pilots refused to leave 60 guys behind that evening. The Silver Star Skip received for his deeds that day earned him admission to Arlington with full honors. That's where he wanted to go, and that's where he will be taken, probably in January 2006, at a time and date to be determined. Skip is survived by his loving and courageous wife, Ann... His beloved 180 horsepower Globe Swift (he owned and flew it 41 years), his trusty old Kolb Ultrastar, and his big yellow Honda Gold Wing. This man lived life on his terms right up to the end. He will be missed. Beauford ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:32 AM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: U.S. Navy Commander, Departing... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." My sincere salute to Brother Airman Skip. regards, Bob N. ronoy@shentel.net http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:58 AM PST US From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: U.S. Navy Commander, Departing... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" Bill, My sincerest condolences on the passing of your friend Skip, I had the privilege to spend a little bit of time with Skip on various occasions, mostly at SNF airshows and then a couple times at his home airstrip. I'll remember Skip as a real gentleman with a very pleasant and upbeat personality and ...with a twinkle in his eyes. Thank you for the story (again) - wish I had known him longer. Please pass my condolences on to Ann. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beauford" Subject: Kolb-List: U.S. Navy Commander, Departing... > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" > > Kolb Listers: > I Regret to inform you of the passing of "Skip" Staub on 02 November at Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa. It was a long, hard fight and Skip > gave it his usual all-out, max effort. > > Skip was a long-time Kolb Ultrastar owner-pilot, a pioneer member of this Kolb List, and an American Patriot. > > He served 20 years as a U.S. Naval Aviator and was one of that services' highest time pilots in the > Vought F8U Crusader, the last of the Navy's single-engine "hot" gunfighters. > > To give an idea of the kind of man he was, please permit me to offer a brief war-story on Skip...I read the narrative about it one time when he wasn't looking and he's not here to raise hell with me for telling it, so here goes... > > One rainy evening about 40 years ago, while serving as an exchange pilot with the USAF, flying the F-100D fighter-bomber from Tuy Hoa > air base RVN, he was launched, along with one wing man, in response to a call for help from a small U.S. Special Forces camp. > The camp was located in bad terrain in a neighboring country close to the Viet Nam border and it was in the process of being overrun by a large force of North Vietnamese Army regulars. As Skip's flight arrived in the area, the thickening weather forced the forward air controller and a flight of F-4's which had been orbiting over the camp to break off and go home with their ordnance undropped. > > Skip made FM radio contact with the camp commander and could hear the intensity of the firefight in the background. The man > said words to the effect that it was all going to be over soon unless some close air support materialized... He only had about 60 > guys and some local irregulars facing what appeared to be a full regiment of NVA... The enemy had closed to within about 100 > meters of the front gate and it was getting dicey. > > Skip told him that all he had were "dumb" Mk 82 iron bombs and even if they could figure out a way to get down into the > valley under the overcast, that was far too close to be delivering them, particularly attacking up the valley toward the friendlies. > The camp commander radioed back that they would "rather be killed by Americans than by these bastards" and to bring it on... > > Skip asked his Air Force 1LT wingman if he was game to try it and got an affirmative response. For the next > fifteen minutes, Skip and his wing man alternately pressed home bombing and strafing attacks in the failing light under the 300 foot > overcast ceiling in the mountain valley. Forced to trust the notoriously inaccurate tactical maps of the area, they used the peaks of the mountains > they could see poking through the cloud tops to orient their timed dead-reckoning descents at 400 knots through the solid > clag, breaking out just above the valley floor on each pass and following the river to the fight at the camp. > > Each made four descents into the weather and four attacks... dropping two 500 lb. bombs on each of the first two passes, and strafing with their four 20 mm cannon on each of the last two passes. > > The NVA attack was disrupted and then aborted... the enemy forces withdrew as darkness fell. Because of the accuracy of the delivery and some deep digging, no serious friendly casualties were taken from the bombs or the strafing. The camp was relieved the following morning. > > Each and every American in the camp wrote a personal letter to Skip, and the same for his wingman. There are some Americans (and their children) walking around on this planet today because these two pilots refused to leave 60 guys behind that evening. > > The Silver Star Skip received for his deeds that day earned him admission to Arlington with full honors. That's where he wanted to go, and that's where he will be taken, probably in January 2006, at a time and date to be determined. > > Skip is survived by his loving and courageous wife, Ann... His beloved 180 horsepower Globe Swift (he owned and flew it 41 years), his trusty old Kolb Ultrastar, and his big yellow Honda Gold Wing. > > This man lived life on his terms right up to the end. He will be missed. > > Beauford > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:36 PM PST US From: DCulver701@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: U.S. Navy Commander, Departing... --> Kolb-List message posted by: DCulver701@aol.com Beauford, that story says it all, and i salute him. Best regards, Dave Culver ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:01 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: U.S. Navy Commander, Departing... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" Thanks Beauford, for sharing the inspiring memorial to Skip. -richard swiderski -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Beauford Subject: Kolb-List: U.S. Navy Commander, Departing... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" Kolb Listers: I Regret to inform you of the passing of "Skip" Staub on 02 November at Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa. It was a long, hard fight and Skip gave it his usual all-out, max effort. Skip was a long-time Kolb Ultrastar owner-pilot, a pioneer member of this Kolb List, and an American Patriot. He served 20 years as a U.S. Naval Aviator and was one of that services' highest time pilots in the Vought F8U Crusader, the last of the Navy's single-engine "hot" gunfighters. To give an idea of the kind of man he was, please permit me to offer a brief war-story on Skip...I read the narrative about it one time when he wasn't looking and he's not here to raise hell with me for telling it, so here goes... One rainy evening about 40 years ago, while serving as an exchange pilot with the USAF, flying the F-100D fighter-bomber from Tuy Hoa air base RVN, he was launched, along with one wing man, in response to a call for help from a small U.S. Special Forces camp. The camp was located in bad terrain in a neighboring country close to the Viet Nam border and it was in the process of being overrun by a large force of North Vietnamese Army regulars. As Skip's flight arrived in the area, the thickening weather forced the forward air controller and a flight of F-4's which had been orbiting over the camp to break off and go home with their ordnance undropped. Skip made FM radio contact with the camp commander and could hear the intensity of the firefight in the background. The man said words to the effect that it was all going to be over soon unless some close air support materialized... He only had about 60 guys and some local irregulars facing what appeared to be a full regiment of NVA... The enemy had closed to within about 100 meters of the front gate and it was getting dicey. Skip told him that all he had were "dumb" Mk 82 iron bombs and even if they could figure out a way to get down into the valley under the overcast, that was far too close to be delivering them, particularly attacking up the valley toward the friendlies. The camp commander radioed back that they would "rather be killed by Americans than by these bastards" and to bring it on... Skip asked his Air Force 1LT wingman if he was game to try it and got an affirmative response. For the next fifteen minutes, Skip and his wing man alternately pressed home bombing and strafing attacks in the failing light under the 300 foot overcast ceiling in the mountain valley. Forced to trust the notoriously inaccurate tactical maps of the area, they used the peaks of the mountains they could see poking through the cloud tops to orient their timed dead-reckoning descents at 400 knots through the solid clag, breaking out just above the valley floor on each pass and following the river to the fight at the camp. Each made four descents into the weather and four attacks... dropping two 500 lb. bombs on each of the first two passes, and strafing with their four 20 mm cannon on each of the last two passes. The NVA attack was disrupted and then aborted... the enemy forces withdrew as darkness fell. Because of the accuracy of the delivery and some deep digging, no serious friendly casualties were taken from the bombs or the strafing. The camp was relieved the following morning. Each and every American in the camp wrote a personal letter to Skip, and the same for his wingman. There are some Americans (and their children) walking around on this planet today because these two pilots refused to leave 60 guys behind that evening. The Silver Star Skip received for his deeds that day earned him admission to Arlington with full honors. That's where he wanted to go, and that's where he will be taken, probably in January 2006, at a time and date to be determined. Skip is survived by his loving and courageous wife, Ann... His beloved 180 horsepower Globe Swift (he owned and flew it 41 years), his trusty old Kolb Ultrastar, and his big yellow Honda Gold Wing. This man lived life on his terms right up to the end. He will be missed. Beauford ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:18 PM PST US From: "Ralph" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: U.S. Navy Commander, Departing... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph" Thanks for relating this story Beauford. I salute Skip. Ralph Burlingame Original Firestar 18 years flying it -- "Beauford" wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" Kolb Listers: I Regret to inform you of the passing of "Skip" Staub on 02 November at Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa. It was a long, hard fight and Skip gave it his usual all-out, max effort. Skip was a long-time Kolb Ultrastar owner-pilot, a pioneer member of this Kolb List, and an American Patriot. He served 20 years as a U.S. Naval Aviator and was one of that services' highest time pilots in the Vought F8U Crusader, the last of the Navy's single-engine "hot" gunfighters. To give an idea of the kind of man he was, please permit me to offer a brief war-story on Skip...I read the narrative about it one time when he wasn't looking and he's not here to raise hell with me for telling it, so here goes... One rainy evening about 40 years ago, while serving as an exchange pilot with the USAF, flying the F-100D fighter-bomber from Tuy Hoa air base RVN, he was launched, along with one wing man, in response to a call for help from a small U.S. Special Forces camp. The camp was located in bad terrain in a neighboring country close to the Viet Nam border and it was in the process of being overrun by a large force of North Vietnamese Army regulars. As Skip's flight arrived in the area, the thickening weather forced the forward air controller and a flight of F-4's which had been orbiting over the camp to break off and go home with their ordnance undropped. Skip made FM radio contact with the camp commander and could hear the intensity of the firefight in the background. The man said words to the effect that it was all going to be over soon unless some close air support materialized... He only had about 60 guys and some local irregulars facing what appeared to be a full regiment of NVA... The enemy had closed to within about 100 meters of the front gate and it was getting dicey. Skip told him that all he had were "dumb" Mk 82 iron bombs and even if they could figure out a way to get down into the valley under the overcast, that was far too close to be delivering them, particularly attacking up the valley toward the friendlies. The camp commander radioed back that they would "rather be killed by Americans than by these bastards" and to bring it on... Skip asked his Air Force 1LT wingman if he was game to try it and got an affirmative response. For the next fifteen minutes, Skip and his wing man alternately pressed home bombing and strafing attacks in the failing light under the 300 foot overcast ceiling in the mountain valley. Forced to trust the notoriously inaccurate tactical maps of the area, they used the peaks of the mountains they could see poking through the cloud tops to orient their timed dead-reckoning descents at 400 knots through the solid clag, breaking out just above the valley floor on each pass and following the river to the fight at the camp. Each made four descents into the weather and four attacks... dropping two 500 lb. bombs on each of the first two passes, and strafing with their four 20 mm cannon on each of the last two passes. The NVA attack was disrupted and then aborted... the enemy forces withdrew as darkness fell. Because of the accuracy of the delivery and some deep digging, no serious friendly casualties were taken from the bombs or the strafing. The camp was relieved the following morning. Each and every American in the camp wrote a personal letter to Skip, and the same for his wingman. There are some Americans (and their children) walking around on this planet today because these two pilots refused to leave 60 guys behind that evening. The Silver Star Skip received for his deeds that day earned him admission to Arlington with full honors. That's where he wanted to go, and that's where he will be taken, probably in January 2006, at a time and date to be determined. Skip is survived by his loving and courageous wife, Ann... His beloved 180 horsepower Globe Swift (he owned and flew it 41 years), his trusty old Kolb Ultrastar, and his big yellow Honda Gold Wing. This man lived life on his terms right up to the end. He will be missed. Beauford Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:12 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb on ebay.. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Hey men....check out this Kolb on ebay...at least it says it is a Kolb....If it is does anyone know what model it is?.... item number 4586199321 if the link does not work. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KOLB-ultralight-aircraft-airplane-ultralite_W0QQitemZ4586199321QQcategoryZ63722QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Ultra-Fly???? Don Gherardini FireFly 098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:59 PM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: U.S. Navy Commander, Departing... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" Guys like Skip saved my young behind a couple times too. They were good........Je Me Souvien Do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:46 PM PST US From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb on ebay.. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" It appears to be an UltraFlyer or a FlyerStar. The wings may be from a Kolb Flyer and the tail possibly from an UltraStar mated together with homebrew fuselage. Flyer wings were lightly built compared to UltraStar and later wings, they had no full ribs. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb on ebay.. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > > Hey men....check out this Kolb on ebay...at least it says it is a Kolb....If > it is does anyone know what model it is?.... > item number 4586199321 if the link does not work. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KOLB-ultralight-aircraft-airplane-ultralite_W 0QQitemZ4586199321QQcategoryZ63722QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > Ultra-Fly???? > > Don Gherardini > FireFly 098 > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:06 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb on ebay.. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Guys, That bird is located pretty much in my back yard but looks to me to be a real contraption, I dont think I would burn the gallon and a half of gas to go see it! Denny Rowe, Mk-3, Leechburg, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb on ebay.. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" > > It appears to be an UltraFlyer or a FlyerStar. > > The wings may be from a Kolb Flyer and the tail possibly from an UltraStar > mated together with homebrew fuselage. Flyer wings were lightly built > compared to UltraStar and later wings, they had no full ribs. > > Dennis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Gherardini" > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb on ebay.. > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" >> >> Hey men....check out this Kolb on ebay...at least it says it is a > Kolb....If >> it is does anyone know what model it is?.... >> item number 4586199321 if the link does not work. >> >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KOLB-ultralight-aircraft-airplane-ultralite_W > 0QQitemZ4586199321QQcategoryZ63722QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> >> Ultra-Fly???? >> >> Don Gherardini >> FireFly 098 >> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm >> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> > > > -- > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >