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1. 12:10 AM - LOC... (Matt Dralle)
2. 04:19 AM - Re: Future Seaplane Base (N27SB@AOL.COM)
3. 05:02 AM - Re: Future Seaplane Base (Bob Dalton)
4. 05:03 AM - Re: Future Seaplane Base (Don Gherardini)
5. 05:23 AM - Re: Future Seaplane Base (N27SB@aol.com)
6. 05:50 AM - Re: Future Seaplane Base (John Hauck)
7. 05:50 AM - Re: Future Seaplane Base (Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com)
8. 05:56 AM - Re: Future Seaplane Base (John Hauck)
9. 06:05 AM - Re: Future Seaplane Base (N27SB@aol.com)
10. 06:39 AM - Re: Future Seaplane Base (N27SB@aol.com)
11. 06:45 AM - Re: Future Seaplane Base (N27SB@aol.com)
12. 07:36 AM - Re: Future Seaplane Base (pat ladd)
13. 02:33 PM - Re: Two or Three Blade Propellers (Jack B. Hart)
14. 07:27 PM - Re: Mark III vs Mark III Xtra (Jim Clayton)
15. 10:21 PM - SeaPlane Base (Flycrazy8@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Future Seaplane Base |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
To All,
Well it has been an exciting week. I just secured a Contract to purchase a
house on Eagle Lake in Winter Haven, Florida. The lake is over 200 acres and is
deep and clear and there are currently several Seaplanes based there. The
back yard has over 140 ft of white sand beach. It is also only about 15 miles
from Lakeland. It looks like I will be able to fulfill a lifelong dream and
be able to fly out of my own back yard. And the Aircraft will be a Kolb
Firefly. I wonder what the Bigboy Fatcats will think of a little old Firefly on
Floats.
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| Subject: | Future Seaplane Base |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy@comcast.net>
Steve,
That s so cool! I must admit that would also be a dream come true for me.
Send pics to us all ASAP. "CONGRATULATIONS"
Bob Dalton
Manteca,CA
Still lurkin, building nothing!
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Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Future Seaplane Base
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
To All,
Well it has been an exciting week. I just secured a Contract to purchase a
house on Eagle Lake in Winter Haven, Florida. The lake is over 200 acres and
is
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| Subject: | Re: Future Seaplane Base |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Congrats Steve,
A Lifelong dream fullfilled is a blessing, and I am happy to see you
make yours, particularly since it is mine too!
I have never flown a plane on floats..but as I have been contemplateing
buying enough ground to build a runway..the thought of all the mowing
involved makes me think more of floats , and a fishing boat!
Don Gherardini
OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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| Subject: | Re: Future Seaplane Base |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Thanks for the comments Don and Bob, The existing house was built in 1949
and has been rented for 20 years. Fortunately it is concrete block on an
elevated slab so you can do anything with it. It is pretty ugly right now but
what
potential. It is dwarfed by the surrounding mansions. I hope to have it
cleaned up and usable by SnF 2006. If I get that far I would be happy to host
a
Kolb get together. Long term plans would be to build a second floor and use the
bottom for a hanger. I will try to do some pictures but right now it is so
ugly it made my Girlfriend cry.
Steve B
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| Subject: | Re: Future Seaplane Base |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
purchase a
| house on Eagle Lake in Winter Haven, Florida. | Steve B
Hi Steve/Gang:
Sometimes women just do not understand. ;-)
Looks like you are snuggled up next to Bartow Airport also. That
means you won't have to drive so far to pick me up when I fly down
your way.
If your area in Florida is like my area in Alabama, the water front
property will more than pay for itself in a few short years.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Future Seaplane Base |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com
Old Chinese Proverb:
It is not better to have ugly house that makes girlfriend cry;
than ugly girlfriend that makes house cry?
The Flying Farmer
Still repairing Firestar from hard landing
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Thanks for the comments Don and Bob, The existing house was built in 1949.
It is pretty ugly right now, it is so
ugly it made my Girlfriend cry.
Steve B
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| Subject: | Re: Future Seaplane Base |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
contemplateing
| buying enough ground to build a runway..the thought of all the
mowing
| involved makes me think more of floats , and a fishing boat!
|
| Don Gherardini
Don G/Gang:
I am in the same boat you are Don. Never flown off water.
However, I have been lucky enough to have use of a friends cow pasture
for the last 21 years. As far as cutting the grass goes, that
involves my other hobby, antique tractors. I like firing up these
old gals and cutting grass.
I live on a large lake. Thought originally that I would go with
floats. Then I got to thinking about trying to control a light vessel
30 feet wide in and amongst the trees and docks during an unannounced
summer squall. Decided to stay on the ground rather than water.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Future Seaplane Base |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 11/10/2005 8:51:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
Sometimes women just do not understand. ;-)
Looks like you are snuggled up next to Bartow Airport also. That
means you won't have to drive so far to pick me up when I fly down
your way.
If your area in Florida is like my area in Alabama, the water front
property will more than pay for itself in a few short years.
john h
You are right John, it is about 4 miles north of Bartow which means that it
is inside their control zone. Talked to the tower already and they said a UL
is no problem and I could get a letter of waiver. Give me a few months and
I sill have an airconditioned bunkhouse for you and a Vespa.
Waterfront here is explosive. this was the childhood home of a local
millionaire. Guess he did not feel like selling it after his parents died. It is
a
Time Capsule. I was very lucky to stumble on it.
Steve B
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 11/10/2005 8:50:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com writes:
It is pretty ugly right now, it is so
ugly it made my Girlfriend cry.
FUNNY
Steve B
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 11/10/2005 8:57:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
I live on a large lake. Thought originally that I would go with
floats. Then I got to thinking about trying to control a light vessel
30 feet wide in and amongst the trees and docks during an unannounced
summer squall. Decided to stay on the ground rather than water.
john h
You are right John, even with a MKIIIc it is nice to have a nice wide sand
beach clear of trees and docks for your final taxi approach. With a 10 kt
tailwind as you taxi to the beach you have to hold a bunch of power right up to
the last second.
steve b
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
It looks like I will be able to fulfill a lifelong dream and
be able to fly out of my own back yard>>
Hi Steve,
I envy you. many years ago I stayed for a a couple of days with a guy named
Jack Pullman who had a house on Lake Wales. He was a dealer for an amphibian
ultralight which he thought I was going to buy. He had a slipway from his
garden into the water and we just sat in the plane, took off the brake and
slid gently backward into the lake. Out with a paddle to get the plane into
position and then pulled the string and away we went. I thought it was the
best thing since sliced bread. When we landed back on the lake we just
slowed down, dropped the undercarriage and taxied up the slip. Magnificent.
Many happy flying hours to you.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Two or Three Blade Propellers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
At 04:14 PM 11/9/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
>
>That is not what my experience has found! I don't think that your
>example is inaccurate on at least one point in that the "90 hp" that you
>pulled from the Rotax power curve is probably 5000 rpm WOT and not an
>accurate measure of the power used to obtain 5000 rpm at 80 mph with a 2
>or 3 blade prop.
>I agree with Mr. Pike. ~ Earl
>
Earl,
You may well be correct about the hp. Since John H. did not mention his
propeller pitch I had to pick off a hp value to be able to use the propeller
selector program.
There is no disagreement with Mr Pike. For the same propeller diameter, rpm
and thrust, and switching from two to three blades, the program verifies
what Richard Pike said.
Also to find an equivalent two blade propeller, one must increase propeller
diameter and reduce pitch. If this is done, you end up with a 80 inch
propeller. It will develop the same thrust and efficiency as the 72 inch
three blade propeller with the engine putting out 90 hp. The pitch
difference between the three blade 72 inch to the two blade 80 inch
propeller is not very large. Three blade pitch is 57.2 inches and the two
blade pitch is 55.7 inches.
I am pleased that we are both in agreement with Richard Pike.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III vs Mark III Xtra |
Michael Bigelow <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
Hi Mike, Rick/All,
First of all, sorry for the delayed response. Things
are hopping again in Silicon Valley...so as my dad
says "make hay while the sun is shining" ;-)
I am building an Xtra and did choose to go with the
flaps, and larger horizontal stabilizer. The factory
folks were great about accommodating my request: they
sent the wing drawings with the flaps, and charged a
fee to change the cage to accept the flap linkages
(all different from the flaperons). The good news for
us is the early Xtras had the flaps same as the
Classic, so they have the jigs to make the cage
special by request (I don't recall the difference in
price--Travis at TNK can help you there).
Why did I go with the flaps and larger stab? The
flaps are easy: All my flight experience has been in
planes with flaps, and I can't imagine flying without
them. For me this plane is to be a short-field bush
plane, and flaps are VERY effective at adding lift and
*lots* of drag--use with caution and practice landings
with an instructor experienced in Kolb flaps! The
larger stab was a more difficult choice: The Xtra has
more frontal area, and that longer nose has a greater
arm against the stab, but many are quite happy with
their Xtra's with the same stab as the Classic. I
spoke with several people that had flown both sizes,
and since I personally favor stability over speed, I
choose to go with the larger stabilizer. I've had the
uncomfortable experience of flying a plane in rough
weather with a too small horizontal stab and it was a
nerve-wracking workout! So for me I tend to avoid all
that excitement and favor stability, over the tiny
possible difference in speed (less than one mph!?)the
slight increase in wetted area will give.
Regarding the electric trim: I am going to go with a
trim tab at the back of an elevator (and possibly
rudder, aileron), actuated by an electric trim servo.
I must give credit to the inventor, Mark German
(builder of a Kolbra) who designed beautiful, strong,
and light trim tabs, and came up with the connection
to a readily available trim servo. This bit is being
sorted out this winter, and I would be happy to report
it's effectiveness and the details once tested. But
I'm quite sure this will work out, in terms of
planning for your build--just the details, and proving
it out left.
Hope this helps, Jim
Jim Clayton
California
Mark-3X, 912ULS.....Building
www.quantumwrench.com/Kolb.htm
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Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III vs Mark III Xtra
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I have a MKIIIc and bought it because that was the
only one available at the time. My thoughts on the
differences are the Extra is faster and gives you more
room for your feet, the potential for a larger
instrument panel, and the panel is closer. The down
side of the Extra is they don't come standard with
flaps but can be ordered and there are some who
believe that there isn't enough horizontal stabilizer
area because of the wide flat nose. The classic is 10
MPH slower and the instrument panel is too far away to
reach when strapped in. I also don't notice the foot
angle except that I have better forward and down
visibility.
If I were to choose now I would likely pick the Extra
but get the flap option (no question here), make a
larger horizontal stabilizer and likely the larger
panel. Check with Jim Clayton he is building one with
these changes and I think 1-3 axis electric trim.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Flycrazy8@aol.com
Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
The
b I wonder what the Bigboy Fatcats will think of a little old Firefly on
Floats.
back yard has over 140 ft of white sand beach.
Hey Steve
Reckon them FatCats will say " well there goes the neighborhood " :-)
Who needs an airport when you can land a "fly" in less than 140 ft ?
Congratulations to You on the other part of your dream (other than flying )
Stephen
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