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1. 05:00 AM - Mark III vs Mark III Xtra (Icrashrc@aol.com)
2. 07:04 AM - (Chris Mallory)
3. 07:52 AM - a small step (pat ladd)
4. 08:20 AM - Re: a small step (John Hauck)
5. 11:48 AM - Rotax-912 Service Bulletin Compliance (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
6. 01:50 PM - Re: Future Seaplane Base (DCulver701@AOL.COM)
7. 03:47 PM - New Georgia Ultrastar owner, First post! (Brian Moore)
8. 03:49 PM - Re: Rotax-912 Service Bulletin Compliance (John Hauck)
9. 04:17 PM - mk2 tail (Ken Richter)
10. 04:24 PM - Re: Winter flying (russ kinne)
11. 04:52 PM - Re: mk2 tail (John Hauck)
12. 04:55 PM - Re: mk2 tail (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
13. 05:43 PM - Re: New Georgia Ultrastar owner, First post! (Mitty)
14. 06:27 PM - Re: New Georgia Ultrastar owner, First post! (N27SB@aol.com)
15. 06:48 PM - Re: New Georgia Ultrastar owner, First post! (John Hauck)
16. 07:09 PM - Re: New Georgia Ultrastar owner, First post! (N27SB@aol.com)
17. 10:15 PM - New Georgia Ultrastar (Brian Moore)
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| Subject: | Mark III vs Mark III Xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Icrashrc@aol.com
Please share more information on the trim system. Was it posted on the Kolb
list? Are there any pictures posted? I wasn't able to find anything more in the
archives but I'm not the best at searching either. Thank you!
Scott Thompson
{tapping my fingers waiting for my Mark III X to show up}
Time: 07:27:01 PM PST US
From: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III vs Mark III Xtra
Michael Bigelow <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
Hi Mike, Rick/All,
First of all, sorry for the delayed response. Things
are hopping again in Silicon Valley...so as my dad
says "make hay while the sun is shining" ;-)
I am building an Xtra and did choose to go with the
flaps, and larger horizontal stabilizer. The factory
folks were great about accommodating my request: they
sent the wing drawings with the flaps, and charged a
fee to change the cage to accept the flap linkages
(all different from the flaperons). The good news for
us is the early Xtras had the flaps same as the
Classic, so they have the jigs to make the cage
special by request (I don't recall the difference in
price--Travis at TNK can help you there).
Why did I go with the flaps and larger stab? The
flaps are easy: All my flight experience has been in
planes with flaps, and I can't imagine flying without
them. For me this plane is to be a short-field bush
plane, and flaps are VERY effective at adding lift and
*lots* of drag--use with caution and practice landings
with an instructor experienced in Kolb flaps! The
larger stab was a more difficult choice: The Xtra has
more frontal area, and that longer nose has a greater
arm against the stab, but many are quite happy with
their Xtra's with the same stab as the Classic. I
spoke with several people that had flown both sizes,
and since I personally favor stability over speed, I
choose to go with the larger stabilizer. I've had the
uncomfortable experience of flying a plane in rough
weather with a too small horizontal stab and it was a
nerve-wracking workout! So for me I tend to avoid all
that excitement and favor stability, over the tiny
possible difference in speed (less than one mph!?)the
slight increase in wetted area will give.
Regarding the electric trim: I am going to go with a
trim tab at the back of an elevator (and possibly
rudder, aileron), actuated by an electric trim servo.
I must give credit to the inventor, Mark German
(builder of a Kolbra) who designed beautiful, strong,
and light trim tabs, and came up with the connection
to a readily available trim servo. This bit is being
sorted out this winter, and I would be happy to report
it's effectiveness and the details once tested. But
I'm quite sure this will work out, in terms of
planning for your build--just the details, and proving
it out left.
Hope this helps, Jim
Jim Clayton
California
Mark-3X, 912ULS.....Building
www.quantumwrench.com/Kolb.htm
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
I would like to wish a happy Veteran's day to all those who served.
Please see this link and reflect: http://www.soldierworks.com/untilthen.htm
Chris Mallory
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
hi All,
the latest small step in along and tortuous journey.
The CAA today issued the Noise Certificate for my new Xtra.
Registered G-PLAD.
Fly Soon....soon.... of course the weather is deterioratimg fast, rain and wind
all this week, gales forecast for this weekend.....
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: a small step |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
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| Pat
Patrick/Gang:
Watching, as you jump through hoops to get your MKIIIx inspected and
signed off, makes me very grateful for the simple method we have here
in the US to register and fly our homebuilt/experiemental aircraft.
The noise restrictions placed on you folks in your country would put
most of us in the States out of the flying business.
Our system may not be perfect, but it is the best available.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Rotax-912 Service Bulletin Compliance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Fellow Kolbers operating the 912 -
When I installed a 912ul in my Mark-IIIC this summer, it was apparent that
none of the mandatory Rotax SBs had been accomplished for this
previously-owned engine. (I purchased it used, with 21 hrs total run time.)
So I've been busy lately, reading up on the SBs and complying with the
bulletins. However, one particular SB has me puzzled, and I'm hoping to
learn how you other 912 drivers complied with it.
Rotax bulletin SB-912-036UL, "Inspection for Correct Venting of the Oil
System."
The published reason for the need for this SB states that damage to the
valve train is possible, due to incorrect venting of the lubrication system.
The SB says that compliance requires the owner to perform a venting of the
oil system (per procedures in Service Instruction SI-04-1997), and then
inspect for correct venting of the hydraulic valve tappets.
When I installed this 912 on my Kolb, I meticulously followed the
Installation Manual's procedures for venting the oil system. (e.g.,
disconnected the suction hose from the oil tank, filled the oil hose with
oil using a funnel, turning the engine over several revolutions to ensure a
continuous feed of oil to the pump, etc.)
I have since run this 912 engine for about 13 hours with no problems. Oil
pressure jumps right into the green within seconds of engine start. No
over-temp problems at all; oil pressures where they should be for all RPMs.
All indications suggest that my oil delivery system is working as it should.
Do I still need to re-vent the oil system, as the SB dictates?
Just wanting to know what others have done in this situation.
Many thanks for your inputs ...
Dennis Kirby
Cedar Crest, NM
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<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Fellow Kolbers operating the 912
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<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>When I installed a 912ul in my Mark-IIIC this summer, it was
apparent that none of the mandatory Rotax SBs had been accomplished for this
previously-owned engine. (I purchased it used, with 21 hrs total run
time.) So Ive been busy lately, reading up on the SBs and
complying with the bulletins. However, one particular SB has me puzzled,
and Im hoping to learn how you other 912 drivers complied with it.
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Rotax bulletin SB-912-036UL, Inspection for Correct
Venting of the Oil System.
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The published reason for the need for this SB states that
damage to the valve train is possible, due to incorrect venting of the
lubrication system. The SB says that compliance requires the owner to
perform a venting of the oil system (per procedures in Service Instruction SI-04-1997),
and then inspect for correct venting of the hydraulic valve tappets.
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>When I installed this 912 on my Kolb, I meticulously followed
the Installation Manuals procedures for venting the oil system.
(e.g., disconnected the suction hose from the oil tank, filled the oil hose
with oil using a funnel, turning the engine over several revolutions to ensure
a continuous feed of oil to the pump, etc.)
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I have since run this 912 engine for about 13 hours with no
problems. Oil pressure jumps right into the green within seconds of
engine start. No over-temp problems at all; oil pressures where they should
be for all RPMs. All indications suggest that my oil delivery system is
working as it should.
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Do I still need to re-vent the oil system, as the SB dictates?
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Just wanting to know what others have done in this
situation.
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Many thanks for your inputs
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Dennis Kirby
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Cedar Crest, NM
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| Subject: | Re: Future Seaplane Base |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DCulver701@aol.com
Congratulations Steve, on your new place, and as far as your fatcat neighbors
go, maybe you'll make a few converts, especially if gas goes back up. lol
Sounds like it has a lot of potential from what you've described. June & i
will be down at Sunlake on lake Yale in another week. I'll have to get together
with you to see your plane. The pictures of it look great. Best regards,
Dave Culver
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| Subject: | New Georgia Ultrastar owner, First post! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Brian Moore <mooreb4@yahoo.com>
Been reading your list for a few weeks. Joined last wk or so. Made email contact
w Dale Sellers in S GA. Am now posting to the list. Bought a Ultrastar in
great shape on Ebay from an older gent in Alabama and brought it back to Alpharetta,
GA (20 miles N of Atlanta) about 6 weeks ago. I threw a lot of questions
to Dale and now am ready to join in the list.
If any US owners, or other Kolbers are closer to me than Dale, please let me know.
My only pilot experience is briefly controlling a Blanac (sp) glider and
a Cessna, years ago. Just keeping em straight and level. So, it will be awhile
before I am soloing in my new bird.
Am looking to take lessons. Quicksilver lessons are easy to find. Taildragger
lessons seem more scarce. Would starting with the QS mess me up?
The Seaplane subject got me going. We have a place about 50 yds from a sheltered
cove on Lake Lanier. Has anyone ever heard of floats on a US? Someone said
that the prop might get hit by spray from the floats, not good. Any way to
deflect the spray from reaching the prop? What are the regs. for operation on
a Corps of Engineers lake?
Enough questions. Glad you guys are out there. Brian
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax-912 Service Bulletin Compliance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
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| Dennis Kirby
Dennis K/Gang:
Sounds to me like you are in good shape, have complied the the SB
before you knew it existed.
If it was me, I would let it ride.
Air is the problem, if it gets into the system. Oil pump can cavitate
and hydraulic lifters can collapse. I have never had a problem in
this area. Usually, after oil change or any time the oil system is
"cracked", I turn the engine over by hand until I feel I have gotten
any air out of the system. Probably 5 or 6 complete revolutions of
the prop.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ken Richter" <susan203@centurytel.net>
Does anyone have any ideas for me I am flying a mk2 with a 503dcdi and a 66" ivo
three blade prop, one problem is on full power climb out the nose of the plane
seems to bob around a little looking back at the tail during this I see the
tail bobbing around too which I'm sure is whats causing the nose to move this
isn't a huge deal but it seems to have gotten worse when I added the three blade
prop,I've inspected the tail and I don't see anything loose, Second problem
is when flying with two 200lb people I am unable to trim the plane to fly straight
and level it handles the weight fine but the cg must be too far forward,
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Ken in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Winter flying |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Ellery
None of us want you to take a chance on getting nailed in a lawsuit
while trying to help fellow Kolbers! -- remember it costs just as much
to defend yourself. And lawyers will latch onto ANYthing if they think
they can squeeze money out of you. I used to buy "crowd insurance"
when photographing advertising photos -- just in case some clown
stubbed his toe and claimed it was because I had 6 sexy models posing
-- this has happened. (But not to me, yet, thank God)
I would strongly suggest you have every customer sign a "hold-harmless
release" when he buys skiis or mounting kits from you. I can write
you none if you want. One stupid little piece of paper could save you
from a lot of hassle and thousands of $$. Crazy way to live but that's
the way it seems to be in 2005.
Fair winds,
Russ Kinne
On Oct 31, 2005, at 10:52 PM, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
>
> Thanks for your concerns Gary
> I have my own design of skis I am not copying anyone else's so they
> might
> not work for you even though I have been using them and I am not
> reliable for
> someone else's installation or experience of the use of skis just
> trying to be
> a nice guy and help others out that might not have the tooling or
> knowledge of
> how to get into winter flying without spending a minum of $800.00 for
> a pair
> of skis
> I realize there are a lot of people out there this day and age
> looking to
> nail another lawsuit so if you put it that way I will just weld the
> frames
> together and let you install the bottom skins and make up your own
> cables and
> bungies and do your own rigging its your ass in the sling not mine and
> I had better
> let this go in to the archives so no one can say I said it will work
> Have a
> nice winter
>
> Ellery
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
and a 66" ivo three blade prop, one problem is on full power climb out
the nose of the plane seems to bob around a little looking back at the
tail during this I see the tail bobbing around
Ken R/ Gang:
The 5" tail boom on a MK2, and for that matter the 6" tail boom on the
MKIII, are long and limber. When you add prop wash at full throttle
and a little bumpy air maybe, the tail section is going to move around
some. Insuring that the tail wire bracing is good and tight. Tight
enough so it will twang and not thump when you snap it during
preflight.
Second problem is when flying with two 200lb people I am unable to
trim the plane to fly straight and level
With two 200 lb folks in the MKII you probably are experiencing fwd cg
plus the added nose down force caused by a high pusher prop. You and
your passenger could lose a lot of weight, or you could get stronger
springs for your forced elevator trim.
john h
MKIII/912ULS
Titus, Alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
Ken Richter wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ken Richter" <susan203@centurytel.net>
>
> Does anyone have any ideas for me I am flying a mk2 with a 503dcdi and a 66"
ivo three blade prop, one problem is on full power climb out the nose of the plane
seems to bob around a little looking back at the tail during this I see the
tail bobbing around too which I'm sure is whats causing the nose to move this
isn't a huge deal but it seems to have gotten worse when I added the three
blade prop,I've inspected the tail and I don't see anything loose, Second problem
is when flying with two 200lb people I am unable to trim the plane to fly
straight and level it handles the weight fine but the cg must be too far forward,
Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
> Ken in MN
Ken our MKII will do this if you fly with your feet removed from the
rudder pedals. And the trim issue is characteristic of the MKII. The
seats are in front of the center of lift so any added weight will
require more up trim. This was improved in the MKIII by adding a larger
tail surface. ~ Earl
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| Subject: | Re: New Georgia Ultrastar owner, First post! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mitty <benny_bee_01@yahoo.com>
Brian,Welcome to the group!
I am after one of the ultrastars cuz i think they are
the best :)
I also one of the moderator on yahoo group dedicated
to ultrastars so join if you would like to.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KolbUltrastar/
Anyhow,hope to hear from you soon.
Mitty
--- Brian Moore <mooreb4@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Brian Moore
> <mooreb4@yahoo.com>
>
> Been reading your list for a few weeks. Joined last
> wk or so. Made email contact w Dale Sellers in S
> GA. Am now posting to the list. Bought a Ultrastar
> in great shape on Ebay from an older gent in Alabama
> and brought it back to Alpharetta, GA (20 miles N of
> Atlanta) about 6 weeks ago. I threw a lot of
> questions to Dale and now am ready to join in the
> list.
>
> If any US owners, or other Kolbers are closer to me
> than Dale, please let me know. My only pilot
> experience is briefly controlling a Blanac (sp)
> glider and a Cessna, years ago. Just keeping em
> straight and level. So, it will be awhile before I
> am soloing in my new bird.
>
> Am looking to take lessons. Quicksilver lessons are
> easy to find. Taildragger lessons seem more scarce.
> Would starting with the QS mess me up?
>
> The Seaplane subject got me going. We have a place
> about 50 yds from a sheltered cove on Lake Lanier.
> Has anyone ever heard of floats on a US? Someone
> said that the prop might get hit by spray from the
> floats, not good. Any way to deflect the spray from
> reaching the prop? What are the regs. for operation
> on a Corps of Engineers lake?
>
> Enough questions. Glad you guys are out there.
> Brian
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Georgia Ultrastar owner, First post! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 11/11/2005 6:48:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mooreb4@yahoo.com writes:
Would starting with the QS mess me up?
Hi Brian, I fly a Firefly on floats. Got my transition training in a QS in
Key West. I think it will help a lot.
Has anyone ever heard of floats on a US?
I have an old picture of a friend of mine flying a US on floats in the
80's. He loved it.
Someone said that the prop might get hit by spray from the floats, not good.
If you use a Kiev or Warp with a metal leading edge, forget about the water.
What are the regs. for operation on a Corps of Engineers lake?
Most C of E lakes are restricted but not all. Call Mike Volk at Seaplane
Pilot's Assoc. at
1-888-SPA-8923 for info. You should really join if you want to ask a bunch
of questions.
Good luck Brian, It's a blast.
Steve Boetto
Firefly #007 on floats
Nuther FF on the way
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| Subject: | Re: New Georgia Ultrastar owner, First post! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Steve/Brian/Gang:
| Has anyone ever heard of floats on a US?
My first trip to Sun and Fun, March 1984, was also attended by the
prettiest US I had ever seen. It was red and white sun burst on
fiberglass floats. I have some photos of it.
| I have an old picture of a friend of mine flying a US on floats in
the
| 80's. He loved it.
May have been the same person and aircraft. This one was out of Ft
Lauderdale, IIRC, but I may be wrong.
There was also a four engine Lazair on floats there. The sea plane
base for ULs was a ditch filled with water. Can still see the Lazair
flying in and out of that ditch. Pilot was barefooted with his pants
legs rolled up. What a sight!
john h
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| Subject: | Re: New Georgia Ultrastar owner, First post! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 11/11/2005 9:48:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
My first trip to Sun and Fun, March 1984, was also attended by the
prettiest US I had ever seen. It was red and white sun burst on
fiberglass floats.
John, might be the same plane. Ron Leuck of Aerocomp did the match and test
flew it. Don't know who the owner was but Ft. Laud is in the neighborhood.
Steve
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| Subject: | New Georgia Ultrastar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Brian Moore <mooreb4@yahoo.com>
John and Steve, Thank you for your posts. I would love to see a picture of this
plane. I need to check out the regs for Lanier and cnatact the seaplane folks.
I have never seen a float plane on it. Its a very boat crowded lake in the
summer. However, I drove across the dam yesterday and only saw about 5 sailboats
on a beautiful day.
Whether by land or by sea I will get in the air in due time. Brian
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