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1. 12:12 AM - Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... (Matt Dralle)
2. 04:31 AM - Any tricks for taking straightening bent tubes? (John Bickham)
3. 04:46 AM - checking oil level on 912s (Airgriff2@aol.com)
4. 06:00 AM - Re: DNA (Kirk Smith)
5. 11:35 AM - Re: space cadets (James, Ken)
6. 01:49 PM - 912 break-in procedure??? (Mark Anliker)
7. 02:07 PM - Re: 912 break-in procedure??? (John Hauck)
8. 02:18 PM - Re: MK III X 582 PERFORMANCE (Jim Ballenger)
9. 02:21 PM - Re: MK III X 582 PERFORMANCE (Jim Ballenger)
10. 02:33 PM - Re: MK III X 582 PERFORMANCE (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
11. 04:41 PM - Re: MK III X 582 PERFORMANCE (Cat36Fly@aol.com)
12. 04:55 PM - Re: space cadets (Bob N.)
13. 06:26 PM - Re: space cadets (Jack B. Hart)
14. 06:34 PM - Re: space cadets (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
15. 06:47 PM - SlingShot Purchase (blure2@comcast.net)
16. 06:54 PM - Re: space cadets (Larry Bourne)
17. 07:41 PM - Re: Any tricks for taking straightening bent tubes? (woody)
18. 07:41 PM - Re: Rest of The Story (woody)
19. 09:06 PM - Re: Rest of The Story (Larry Bourne)
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| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
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| Subject: | Any tricks for taking straightening bent tubes? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Bickham" <gearbender@bellsouth.net>
Hello list,
Forgot to ask in last post.
Any of you have any experience or tricks for straightening bent tubes?
There are a couple of bent tubes that may only need to be straightened. One
will have to either be spliced or totally replaced (bottom left side). Want
to straighten it before I cut it out.
I've been thinking about some sort of jig. Some of you may have a simple
and quick method besides the old yank, pull and/or pry with lots of grunts.
Pictures of what I'm up against:
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/pwp-8jb
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Thanks,
John Bickham
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| Subject: | checking oil level on 912s |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
Hi Guys
I have been flying a new 912s for a couple weeks now and each morning, before
flight, I have gone through the procedure of hand turning the prop and
listening for the gurgle sound of air in the oil tank to check the oil level. Up
till now this was done on a cold engine. Yesterday after a flight,(engine warm),
I wanted to check oil level and the second time I turned the prop the oil came
out of the top of the tank, stayed there in the neck and gradually went down
mabey a 1/2 " in 15 minutes but was still covering the handle on dip stick. Is
this normal? Are you not supposed to check oil when the engine is warm?
Fly safe
Bob Griffin
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
"What's wrong with that? "
You just typed 44 words to bitch about having to type 3 words.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
I loved the story, I'm sitting in class just laughing my ass off and my
students are wondering what's gotten into me today. They all liked the story
too.. Especially since I told them that the tower guys are all business and
don't like goofs on the radios. ( they still scare me a bit:-)
ken
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From: robert bean [mailto:slyck@frontiernet.net]
Subject: Kolb-List: space cadets
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Kolbers, please pardon me for entering random garbage.
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=20 For those needing a reason of some kind for buying an Aircraft
=20 I have read many posts on the web site from members and on MMAIL who
=20 are thinking about owning their own aircraft and looking for ways to
=20 offset the cost of ownership. I have heard many reasons for and
=20 against ownership. Why buy an aircraft? It's cheaper to rent and you
=20 do not have all the hassle with maintenance, fuel and insurance. Well,
=20 here is a little story that I think explains it all as to why I own my
=20 own airplane.
=20 It was a beautiful Saturday morning. No winds and the temperature was
=20 just right. So instead of mowing the lawn like my wife had planned for
=20 me, I decided to go to the airport and take the Sport out for a run.
=20 She yells back at me, "WELL IF YOU GO, TAKE YOUR SON WITH YOU." So I
=20 ask my son. Want to go flying with dad? In which he says Yea, Can I
=20 take my light saber?
=20 You see, my 9 year son thinks he is a Jedi Knight and that our Sport
=20 is his personal X-Wing fighter. He is only 4'5 and has to sit on a
=20 pillow in order to see over the glare shield and he always carries his
=20 light saber just in case we land on a strange planet in which there
=20 might be trouble or civil un-rest. Always prepared this one is. So
=20 away we go.
=20 THERE I WAS8585..
=20 We were straight and level at around 6,000ft and I let him take the
=20 controls of the X-Wing to do some turns to the left and right. Joshua
=20 Approach called and said there was traffic at our 2'oclock 2 miles
=20 opposite direction and My son said to me "Look over there dad, Tie
=20 fighter coming right at us". I told him to steer clear of the Tie
=20 Fighter because our lasers were out for repair and we were un-armed.
=20 No reason to provoke a fight.
=20 So even though he is having a blast, I am starting to get a little
=20 bored and thought, "Let's go do a practice approach on the ILS". So I
=20 called Joshua Approach, requested the ILS 25 Approach to Palmdale Full
=20 Approach and off we went. I maneuvered the X-Wing to the VOR and
=20 started the turn outbound to the outer marker. Now my son is just
=20 really enjoying this. At the outer marker, the blue light started to
=20 flash and you could hear the BEEP in the headset. My Son jumps in and
=20 said "That Tie Fighter has locked on to us" I said "That's Right" and
=20 I started my evasive maneuver on the procedure turn.
=20 My Son is listening to the exchange between me and the controller and
=20 wants to chime in on the conversion. I said to my son, "Just hang on;
=20 I will give you a chance". I never should have said that because now
=20 he is all excited to talk on the radio. As I start to turn inbound on
=20 the turn, the Approach control said "Contact tower when established on
=20 the localizer". So I told my young Padawan Learner "OK, when this
=20 needle gets here on the dial, push the radio button and tell the tower
=20 that 93 Romeo is inbound on the localizer".
=20 Now imagine this, I am giving basic instrument instruction to a 9 year
=20 old, I cannot get adults to say this during training. So before I can
=20 give him something simpler to say he keys the mike and says
=20 "REBEL BASE, THIS IS RED 5. WE ARE STARTING OUR ATTACK RUN ON THE
=20 DEATH STAR".
=20 Good God.
=20 Now this post 9/11 and before I can key my mike and say anything, the
=20 tower jumps on and says "RED 5, YOUR CLEARED FOR THE APPROACH TO THE
=20 DEATH STAR. REPORTS HITS AWAY"
=20 Now I am waiting for the tower to add "And tell your dad to call this
=20 number" But I hear nothing else. So we continue the approach. Now my
=20 son is in heaven. This is real life stuff to him and he is doing
=20 everything I tell him to do as far as tracking the needle. As we
=20 approach the outer marker inbound, the light starts to flash and there
=20 is that tone again. "Dad, the Death Star has a lock on us". Yes Son,
=20 you keep on the approach, I will worry about the guns.
=20 Everything is going great and now we are approaching the middle
=20 marker. My son has noticed the GPS has a red line with an airplane on
=20 it and it ends at the Death Star. So he asks me "IS THAT A TARGETING
=20 COMPUTER DAD?" Well of course it is, and it shows us where we are to
=20 the target. So now he hears Obewan tell him to USE THE FORCE SCOTT and
=20 he turns the GPS OFF. Tells me he is OK and does not need the
=20 targeting computer because he is using the FORCE.
=20 Now the middle marker light flashes and the tone comes on. I apply
=20 full power and the airplane,,,X-Wing,,, Starts a climb. I start the
=20 turn to the missed approach path when my son keys the mike and says
=20 "HITS AWAY". The tower answers back with "GOOD JOB RED 5, CONTACT
=20 REBEL APPROACH ON 126.1"
=20 We go back to Mojave SPACEPORT, and I decide that the X-Wing needs a
=20 bath. So out comes all the cleaning stuff and we spend the rest of the
=20 day washing and waxing the turbo jets and laser pods.
=20 So you see. This is why I own my own aircraft. You cannot beat this
=20 kind of quality time with your kids. And there is no way you can put a
=20 price on that.
=20 Jeff Bryant
=20 Southwest Regional Director
=20 Beech Aero Club
=20 1975 X-Wing Fighter Model B-19
=20 N6993R
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| Subject: | 912 break-in procedure??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mark Anliker <manliker@uiuc.edu>
Is there a Rotax 912 break-in procedure? I have the Installation,
Maintenance, and Operator's Manuals, but don't see any recommended rpm and
run-time guidelines like you see for 2-strokes. I am aware of the suggested
oil system venting procedure prior to start up.
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: 912 break-in procedure??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|
| Mark
Hi Mark/Gang:
Yes, there is a 912 breakin procedure. Same as every flight. Do not
go full power until the engine oil temp has reached 120F. That's it.
Actually, there is no breakin procedure. You may also start off using
the oil you intend to operate with. 1994, I got my first 912. Has to
run an organic oil for the first 25 hours. 2005, I got my 912ULS.
Now we were authorized to start off with the oil we intended to run.
In my case a full synthetic oil. However, when doing a lot of cross
country flying requiring the use of a steady diet of 100LL, I use a
semi-synthetic oil. In my case, Valvoline Durablend 5W40. When I am
flying around home territory burning a steady diet of auto fuel, I use
Shell Rotella 5W40 Full Synthetic. It is relatively cheap compared to
others at 13.00 a gal in Wal*Mart. I also use Fram Tough Gard TG-3614
oil filters from Wal*Mart, and have for the last 11 or 12 years.
See there. Ya got more than you bargained for.
Guess I better qualify the above info. I am not telling anyone else
to do the same thing I do with my engines. Simply telling you what I
use.
Take care,
john h
MKIII
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| Subject: | Re: MK III X 582 PERFORMANCE |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
John
I have a 66" diameter prop. The WOT is 6380 rpm. The warp drive folks told
me that I would not a big difference static run up and in flight rpm of the
engine and so far it holds true. GW during the test was 869 pounds.
Jim Ballenger
MK III X 582
Virginia Beach, VA
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From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MK III X 582 PERFORMANCE
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Got a couple questions for you.
>
> What is the diameter of your Warp Drive?
>
> What was engine rpm at WOT, straight and level flight, 88 mph?
>
> What was gross weight of your Xtra during this test?
>
> Thanks,
>
> john h
> MKIII
> Titus, AL
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MK III X 582 PERFORMANCE |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Larry
It looks like our Xtras are tracking along at about the same performance.
Jim Ballenger
MK III X 582
Virginia Beach, VA
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From: <Cat36Fly@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MK III X 582 PERFORMANCE
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
>
> Jim/ Kolbers
>
> I performed the same drill this morning. My craft with me a 10 gal of fuel
> weighed 776 lbs. I pulled the nose up and held 58 - 60 mph and was showing
> 1000
> fpm, then 1100 and down to 800-900 at 1000 ft. This was also with the
> taper
> tip and 6200 rpm. Later in the day (it was warmer) when taking off from
> another airport I could only get 5800 rpm. Got to do some checking there.
> Installed a trim tab on the elevator. Flew and adjusted same. Can now fly
> with two
> fingers for the most part. Have not done any high speed trials yet and
> usually
> cruise at 4500 to 5200 rpm which will give me 56 - 72 mph.
> Next the sand bags!
>
> Larry Tasker
> MKlllx 582
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MK III X 582 PERFORMANCE |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
That's great guys thanks.
Is there anyone that is flying a MKIIIx with a 912?? What are your speeds
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Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MK III X 582 PERFORMANCE
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
>
> Larry
> It looks like our Xtras are tracking along at about the same performance.
>
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| Subject: | Re: MK III X 582 PERFORMANCE |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
Rick;
If you have a spare 912 laying around I'm sure Jim or I could use our MKlll
as a flying testbed. I too am eager to see how that combo does.
Larry Tasker
MKlllx 582
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| Subject: | Re: space cadets |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
I took all five kids, one at a time, in my Cardinal, just to see
whether they'd do OK. None of the four girls seemed to give a
ratsass, saying it was like another boring vacation trip! But the
youngest, son, ten, seemed to actually enjoy it, taking an immediate
interest in what the controls made the plane do, and the what the
instruments were telling us. Since he was tall, we only needed
cushions for back&butt. In a couple of years he could track inbound
on a simulated VOR approach, and on ILS at Dulles, he could nail the
ILS to mins, when we had to break off. But his interest waned soon,
and he had no more interest. He's a very brilliant guy, and said once
he had most maneuvers done, I had nothing else to teach him, and
flying bored him He's now PhD (MIT) prof. at UPenn.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: space cadets |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Bob,
I grew up on northern Iowa farm on a knoll in the middle of a section. My
aunt's husband used to do our custom work, combining and baling. He would
bring the equipment over to our farm and my Dad would drive him back home.
Then he would fly over in an Aeronica Champ and land in the creek pasture.
When he got ready to leave, all of us kids, four of us, would help to turn
the plane and pull it back close to a fence. He would prop it and since he
had no brakes, all of us kids would hold onto the tail wheel and the ends of
the horizontal stabilizer. He would push the throttle forward and we would
hold on until he started to drag us. He would pop the tail up and just
before he got to an open tile ditch he would jerk it off and then touch it
back down to gather more speed and then head for home.
He gave me my first ride when I was eight years old, and I was trapped. I
always wanted to fly and I flew every time I got a chance. I was never able
to get a certificate. I had to wait 55 years and retirement to have my own
non aircraft ultralight vehicle. My aunt grounded her husband but he would
periodically sneak off to a neighbors and fly the neighbor's Champ.
Everyone knew it and nothing was said. At my age, I can understand why.
There is no substitute for being able to rise above the earth and fly with
the Monarch butterflies and the red tail hawks.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: space cadets |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
In a message dated 11/20/2005 9:08:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
slyck@frontiernet.net writes:
So you see. This is why I own my own aircraft. You cannot beat this
kind of quality time with your kids. And there is no way you can put a
price on that.
Jeff
I really enjoyed that story. I have a 5 & 1/2 year old grandson who is also
into all that Star Wars stuff. He has a collection of at least 6 light sabers
and still wants more. Each one is a different color or style.
Thanks,
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | SlingShot Purchase |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: blure2@comcast.net
Hi, Group;
I am contemplating the purchase of a use SlingShot. Two questions prevail: learning
to fly it; and the quality of the aircraft. The answer to the first part
may or may not nullify the second part.
I am a low-time pilot, 75 hours, UL experience only. My plan is to pursue training
in a tail-dragger aircraft. Instruction in Citabrias is available locally.
It is my intent to train to a point of proficiency in a tail-dragger of as close
to similar performance as possible. My concern is that, after a conversation
today with Travis at Kolb, the SlingShot is a difficult plane to fly and I
am placing myself and the plane in a risky position.
Should adequate training be sufficient to raise my competence to an acceptable
level, then I will need to address question number two. I have found a SlingShot
for sale in Summitville, TN. With regard to question number one, the owner,
suffering from impatience, attempted to fly the plane, without benefit of proper
training, and managed to flip it on to it's back. I have been told that the
damage consists of a broken nosecone, and wrinkled wing. The owner purchased
and built a new wing, which needs to be mounted and squared up to the fuselage,
covered and painted. A new nosecone needs to be purchased and installed as
well.
If I determine, with your help, that I will move forward with the SlingShot, I
would like to have the plane inspected on my behalf. Can someone provide me with
the names and contact information of qualified individuals in the Nashville/Chattanooga
areas that can perform a detailed inspection of the plane?
Thank you,
Bob Blu
Centennial, CO
Hi, Group;
I am contemplating the purchase of a use SlingShot. Two questions prevail: learning
to fly it; and the quality of the aircraft. The answer to the first part
may or may not nullify the second part.
I am a low-time pilot, 75 hours, UL experience only. My plan is to pursue training
in a tail-dragger aircraft. Instruction in Citabrias is available locally.It
is myintentto train to a point of proficiency in a tail-dragger of as close
to similar performance as possible. My concern is that, after a conversation
today with Travis at Kolb, the SlingShot is a difficult plane to fly and I am
placing myself and the plane in a risky position.
Should adequate training be sufficient to raise my competence to an acceptable
level, then I will need to address question number two. I have found a SlingShot
for sale in Summitville, TN. With regard to question number one, the owner,
suffering from impatience, attempted to fly the plane, without benefit of proper
training, and managed to flip it on to it's back. I have been told that the
damage consists of a broken nosecone, and wrinkled wing. The owner purchased
and built a new wing, which needs to be mounted and squared up to the fuselage,
covered and painted. A new nosecone needs to be purchased and installed as
well.
If I determine, with your help, that I will move forward with the SlingShot, I
would like to have the plane inspected on my behalf. Can someone provide me with
the names and contact information of qualified individuals in the Nashville/Chattanooga
areas that can perform a detailed inspection of the plane?
Thank you,
Bob Blu
Centennial, CO
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| Subject: | Re: space cadets |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Thanks for the story, Jack. I really enjoyed it. And thanks to Bob Ronoy,
too, for his story tonight. To me, it's sharing like this, as well as
technical help that helps keep this List so enjoyable. To those who would
keep the Kolb List strictly business, I can sorta (??) understand your
reasoning, but would ask you to just hit the delete button when you see such
an offensive mis-use of the List as this. To many of us, it's not offensive
at all..........as I say, it's a great pleasure. Lar.
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Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: space cadets
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
>
> Bob,
>
> I grew up on northern Iowa farm on a knoll in the middle of a section. My
> aunt's husband used to do our custom work, combining and baling. He would
> bring the equipment over to our farm and my Dad would drive him back home.
> Then he would fly over in an Aeronica Champ and land in the creek pasture.
> When he got ready to
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| Subject: | Re: Any tricks for taking straightening bent tubes? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Try putting your cars scissor jack between the tubes. Put wood betwen top
and bottom so you don't scratch the tubes. A small hydrolic jack will work
great if it will fit in. Heating red hot may help the bending also. I don't
know what you are bending so this is all guessing. You may need to block
other tubes so that you don't bend the wrong tube. Using a long 2x4 on the
base will also distribute the pressure along the tube.
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| Subject: | Re: Rest of The Story |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
I was raised not to pick on the defenseless. Lucky he is out in the middle
of the deseret where no one can check for sure on the tooth ache
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> Speedy Lar? Speedy Lar? Did I read that right?
> ok, who's going to step up to the plate on that one? ;)
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> >
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Ahhhh, Woody..............I been nice to you lately. Don't be a-pickin' on
me. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rest of The Story
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
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> I was raised not to pick on the defenseless. Lucky he is out in the
> middle
> of the deseret where no one can check for sure on the tooth ache
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