---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/30/05: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:17 AM - Last "Official" Day To Make Your List Contribution!! (Matt Dralle) 2. 05:35 AM - Re: Last "Official" Day To Make Your List Contribution!! (Bob Dalton) 3. 07:43 AM - Aileron gap seals (lucien stavenhagen) 4. 07:56 AM - Re: Kolb Hauling... (GeoR38@aol.com) 5. 08:10 AM - Re: Kolb Hauling... (David Lehman) 6. 08:26 AM - Re: Kolb Hauling... (David M. Lehman) 7. 08:28 AM - Re: Kolb Hauling... (John Hauck) 8. 09:21 AM - Re: Wiring diagram (GeoR38@aol.com) 9. 10:55 AM - Re: Kolb Hauling... (GeoR38@AOL.COM) 10. 12:04 PM - Re: Mark III on EBAY (David Key) 11. 12:17 PM - New Memeber Q's on Mark III (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL) 12. 12:47 PM - Re: Kolb Hauling... (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL) 13. 03:04 PM - Hauling Kolbs on flat beds (Denny Rowe) 14. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Hauling... (David Lehman) 15. 04:16 PM - Re: Hauling Kolbs on flat beds (David Lehman) 16. 05:00 PM - Re: Mark III on EBAY (Earl & Mim Zimmerman) 17. 05:02 PM - Re: Hauling Kolbs on flat beds (ray anderson) 18. 06:53 PM - Re: Mark III on EBAY (Michael Bigelow) 19. 07:01 PM - Re: New Memeber Q's on Mark III (Michael Bigelow) 20. 08:33 PM - Re: Mark III on EBAY (David Key) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:18 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Last "Official" Day To Make Your List Contribution!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Well, its November 30th and that means three things... 1) Today I am officially 42 years old (sympathy is appreciated)! 2) It marks that last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser! 3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year! :-) If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-spam, and no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today to support their continued operation and upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way to further the List operation and keep the bills paid. A Lister wrote a funny message in the comments field of his Contribution that I thought summed things up pretty well: "Worth every penny and I'm a tightwad!" Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It is greatly appreciated. Contributions: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Best regards, Matt Dralle List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:40 AM PST US From: "Bob Dalton" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Last "Official" Day To Make Your List Contribution!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Dalton" Matt, Thanks again for you're "Lists" and Happy Birthday! Do not archive Bob Dalton wiserguy@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Last "Official" Day To Make Your List Contribution!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Well, its November 30th and that means three things... 1) Today I am officially 42 years old (sympathy is appreciated)! 2) It marks that last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser! 3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year! :-) If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-spam, and no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today to support their continued operation and upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way to further the List operation and keep the bills paid. A Lister wrote a funny message in the comments field of his Contribution that I thought summed things up pretty well: "Worth every penny and I'm a tightwad!" Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It is greatly appreciated. Contributions: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Best regards, Matt Dralle List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:24 AM PST US From: "lucien stavenhagen" Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron gap seals --> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen" Hi listers, Does anyone have any closeup views of the aileron gap seals? I.e. what they look like, how they're attached and etc.? My FSII was built without the seals and I'm giving some thought to adding some to improve the aileron response. I might put one on the elevator gap too if it's an easy mod, since there's a good gap there too.... I don't think the seals are shown on the plans for my plane, it's an older '96 model..... Also, does anyone happen to have closeups of the stick design in the modern FSII? I believe Kolb redesigned this lately to make the parts easier to manufacture. I'm just curious what it looks like. Thanks, LS Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:48 AM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Hauling... --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 11/28/2005 12:48:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, david@davidlehman.net writes: I'm planning to haul a folded wings Firestar 770 miles this month... I'll be using a flatbed trailer... Any words of wisdom?... Thanx... Sounds like you won't have any structure around your plane.....I pulled mine 1200 miles from Ohio to The Villages Fla that way and really stressed the baby out with the many crosswinds on the way down. It was wrapped with plastic wrap, and I bought a big plastic tarp, folded and sewed on one side and plopped it over the wing tips to break the wind (tips were forward). All worked good except those dad blamed crosswinds on that large area of the folded wings. Found myself going the same speed as 18 wheelers and staying in their lee on the downwind side....that allowed me to go faster without undue tippiness on the trailer. Of course all this occurred during Hurricane Jean......but ...then....who said I made ALL the right decisions...... George Randolph Firestar driver from The Villages, Fl Rotax 447, 3 blade Ivo, KX, 1991 Do not Archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:44 AM PST US From: David Lehman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Hauling... --> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman VGhhbnggR2VvcmdlLi4uCgpJIHRvbyBhbSBjb25jZXJuZWQgYWJvdXQgdGhlIGNyb3Nzd2luZCBz aXR1YXRpb24uLi4KCk9mIGNvdXJzZSwgSSdsbCBiZSBjb25jZXJuZWQgYWJvdXQgc25vdywgaWNl LCB3aW5kLCBldGMuLi4gIERlY2VtYmVyJ3MKcHJvYmFibHkgbm90IHRoZSB3aXNlc3QgdGltZSB0 byBtb3ZlIGFuIGFpcnBsYW5lIGluIHRoZSBOVywgYnV0IEknbQphbnhpb3VzLi4uCgpEYXZpZAoK ZG8gbm90IGFyY2hpdmUKCgpPbiAxMS8zMC8wNSwgR2VvUjM4QGFvbC5jb20gPEdlb1IzOEBhb2wu Y29tPiB3cm90ZToKPgo+IC0tPiBLb2xiLUxpc3QgbWVzc2FnZSBwb3N0ZWQgYnk6IEdlb1IzOEBh b2wuY29tCj4KPgo+IEluIGEgbWVzc2FnZSBkYXRlZCAxMS8yOC8yMDA1IDEyOjQ4OjI4IFAuTS4g RWFzdGVybiBTdGFuZGFyZCBUaW1lLAo+IGRhdmlkQGRhdmlkbGVobWFuLm5ldCB3cml0ZXM6Cj4K PiBJJ20gIHBsYW5uaW5nIHRvIGhhdWwgYSBmb2xkZWQgd2luZ3MgRmlyZXN0YXIgNzcwIG1pbGVz IHRoaXMgbW9udGguLi4KPiBJJ2xsCj4gYmUgdXNpbmcgYSBmbGF0YmVkIHRyYWlsZXIuLi4gIEFu eSB3b3JkcyBvZiAgd2lzZG9tPy4uLgo+Cj4gVGhhbnguLi4KPgo+Cj4gU291bmRzIGxpa2UgeW91 IHdvbid0IGhhdmUgYW55IHN0cnVjdHVyZSBhcm91bmQgeW91ciBwbGFuZS4uLi4uSQo+IHB1bGxl ZCAgbWluZQo+IDEyMDAgbWlsZXMgZnJvbSBPaGlvIHRvIFRoZSBWaWxsYWdlcyBGbGEgdGhhdCB3 YXkgYW5kIHJlYWxseSBzdHJlc3NlZCB0aGUKPiBiYWJ5IG91dCB3aXRoIHRoZSBtYW55IGNyb3Nz d2luZHMgb24gdGhlIHdheSBkb3duLiBJdCB3YXMgd3JhcHBlZCB3aXRoCj4gcGxhc3RpYwo+IHdy YXAsIGFuZCBJIGJvdWdodCBhIGJpZyBwbGFzdGljIHRhcnAsIGZvbGRlZCBhbmQgc2V3ZWQgb24g b25lIHNpZGUgYW5kCj4gcGxvcHBlZCAgaXQgb3ZlciB0aGUgd2luZyB0aXBzIHRvIGJyZWFrIHRo ZSB3aW5kICh0aXBzIHdlcmUgZm9yd2FyZCkuIEFsbAo+IHdvcmtlZAo+IGdvb2QgIGV4Y2VwdCB0 aG9zZSBkYWQgYmxhbWVkIGNyb3Nzd2luZHMgb24gdGhhdCBsYXJnZSBhcmVhIG9mIHRoZSBmb2xk ZWQKPiB3aW5ncy4KPiBGb3VuZCAgbXlzZWxmIGdvaW5nIHRoZSBzYW1lIHNwZWVkIGFzIDE4IHdo ZWVsZXJzIGFuZCBzdGF5aW5nIGluIHRoZWlyIGxlZQo+IG9uCj4gdGhlICBkb3dud2luZCBzaWRl Li4uLnRoYXQgYWxsb3dlZCBtZSB0byBnbyBmYXN0ZXIgd2l0aG91dCB1bmR1ZSB0aXBwaW5lc3MK PiBvbgo+IHRoZSAgdHJhaWxlci4KPgo+IE9mIGNvdXJzZSBhbGwgdGhpcyBvY2N1cnJlZCBkdXJp bmcgSHVycmljYW5lIEplYW4uLi4uLi5idXQgLi4udGhlbi4uLi53aG8KPiBzYWlkIEkgbWFkZSBB TEwgdGhlIHJpZ2h0IGRlY2lzaW9ucy4uLi4uLgo+Cj4KPiBHZW9yZ2UgIFJhbmRvbHBoCj4KPiBG aXJlc3RhciBkcml2ZXIgZnJvbSBUaGUgVmlsbGFnZXMsIEZsCj4gUm90YXggNDQ3LCAzIGJsYWRl ICBJdm8sIEtYLCAxOTkxCj4KPiBEbyBub3QgQXJjaGl2ZQo+Cj4KPiBfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQo+IF8tPQo+IF8t PSAgICAgICAtLSBQbGVhc2UgU3VwcG9ydCBZb3VyIExpc3RzIFRoaXMgTW9udGggLS0KPiBfLT0g ICAgICAgICAgIChBbmQgR2V0IFNvbWUgQVdFU09NRSBGUkVFIEdpZnRzISkKPiBfLT0KPiBfLT0g ICBOb3ZlbWJlciBpcyB0aGUgQW5udWFsIExpc3QgRnVuZCBSYWlzZXIuICBDbGljayBvbgo+IF8t PSAgIHRoZSBDb250cmlidXRpb24gbGluayBiZWxvdyB0byBmaW5kIG91dCBtb3JlIGFib3V0Cj4g Xy09ICAgdGhpcyB5ZWFyJ3MgVGVycmlmaWMgRnJlZSBJbmNlbnRpdmUgR2lmdHMgcHJvdmlkZWQK PiBfLT0gICBieToKPiBfLT0gICAgICAqIFRoZSBCdWlsZGVyJ3MgQm9va3N0b3JlIHd3dy5idWls ZGVyc2Jvb2tzLmNvbSwKPiBfLT0gICAgICAqIEFlcm93YXJlIEVudGVycHJpc2VzIHd3dy5raXRs b2cuY29tLCBhbmQKPiBfLT0gICAgICAqIEhvbWVidWlsdEhFTFAgd3d3LmhvbWVidWlsdGhlbHAu Y29tIQo+IF8tPQo+IF8tPSAgIExpc3QgQ29udHJpYnV0aW9uIFdlYiBTaXRlCj4gXy09Cj4gXy09 ICAgICAgICAgICBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vY29udHJpYnV0aW9uCj4gXy09Cj4g Xy09ICAgVGhhbmsgeW91IGZvciB5b3VyIGdlbmVyb3VzIHN1cHBvcnQhCj4gXy09ICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgLU1hdHQgRHJhbGxlLCBMaXN0IEFkbWluLgo+IF8tPQo+IF8t PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09Cj4gXy09ICAgICAgICAgIC0gVGhlIEtvbGItTGlzdCBFbWFpbCBGb3J1bSAtCj4gXy09IFVz ZSB0aGUgTWF0cm9uaWNzIExpc3QgRmVhdHVyZXMgTmF2aWdhdG9yIHRvIGJyb3dzZQo+IF8tPSB0 aGUgbWFueSBMaXN0IHV0aWxpdGllcyBzdWNoIGFzIHRoZSBTdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIHBhZ2UsCj4g Xy09IEFyY2hpdmUgU2VhcmNoICYgRG93bmxvYWQsIDctRGF5IEJyb3dzZSwgQ2hhdCwgRkFRLAo+ IF8tPSBQaG90b3NoYXJlLCBhbmQgbXVjaCBtdWNoIG1vcmU6Cj4gXy09Cj4gXy09IC0tPiBodHRw Oi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vTmF2aWdhdG9yP0tvbGItTGlzdAo+IF8tPT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09Cj4KPgo+Cj4K PgoKCi0tCvS/9AoKV2hhdCBmcmVlZG9tIGxpZXMgaW4gZmx5aW5nLCB3aGF0IEdvZGxpa2UgcG93 ZXIgaXQgZ2l2ZXMgdG8gbWVuLi4uIEkgbG9zZQphbGwgY29uc2Npb3VzbmVzcyBpbiB0aGlzIHN0 cm9uZyB1bm1vcnRhbCBzcGFjZSBjcm93ZGVkIHdpdGggYmVhdXR5LCBwaWVyY2VkCndpdGggZGFu Z2VyLi4uCgqXIENoYXJsZXMgQS4gTGluZGJlcmdoCg== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:13 AM PST US From: "David M. Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Hauling... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David M. Lehman" Try again... I don't know what's causing some of my messages to come out so weird!... Thanx for the information George... I'll be fighting winds, snow, ice, etc... December's not the best time to haul an airplane in the NW, but I'm anxious!... David do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:51 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Hauling... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" David L/Gang: Maybe..............if you change your email from HTML to Plaintext, your posts will come out on the Kolb List so we can all understand what you are trying to communicate. If that is not the problem, maybe Matte or someone else has some help to get your problem squared away. Take care, john h MKIII titus, alabama Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Hauling... | --> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman | | VGhhbnggR2VvcmdlLi4uCgpJIHRvbyBhbSBjb25jZXJuZWQgYWJvdXQgdGhlIGNyb3Nzd2luZCBz ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:50 AM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wiring diagram --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 11/29/2005 1:20:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rap@isp.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: rap@isp.com As the wiring diagram says it is a work in progress.I still have not determined the cicuit breaker req'd for the started soleniod. And I'm not real sure about my wiring of the rectifier. Rick Pearce Mark3C amphib on the rectifier, just make sure the ac side is not grounded with the dc side....otherwise it will blow the bridge George Randolph Firestar driver from The Villages, Fl Rotax 447, 3 blade Ivo, KX, 1991 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:42 AM PST US From: GeoR38@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Hauling... --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 11/30/2005 11:26:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, david@davidlehman.net writes: Try again... I don't know what's causing some of my messages to come out so weird!... Thanx for the information George... I'll be fighting winds, snow, ice, etc... December's not the best time to haul an airplane in the NW, but I'm anxious!... David do not archive Oh! did I forget to say that hurricane Jean blew the one out of 2 tires off the road 3 times....it was .............exciting. George Randolph Firestar driver from The Villages, Fl Rotax 447, 3 blade Ivo, KX, 1991 Do not Archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:37 PM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mark III on EBAY --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" REGUARDING THE The Mark III on EBAY I hear he'll take 12,500. It's been flipped, frame is cracking, needs some love. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:13 PM PST US From: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL Subject: Kolb-List: New Memeber Q's on Mark III --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL << Kolb themselves - how is the current company to deal with as far as service, parts, quality of the build manuals and so on? >> Lucien, and fellow Kolbers - Here's my answer: This summer, I installed a Rotax-912ul on my Mark-III. To do this, I had to order a 912 Installation Kit from the Kolb factory ($850.) I called Travis at TNK and told him I needed the kit, but at that price, I'd have to save up for a few weeks and therefore, would not be ordering it for another month or so. Three days later, the kit shows up on my doorstep with a note from Travis saying, "Here's the Kit - get started on your installation. Send us a check when you can." How many companies provide THAT kind of customer support? I rest my case. Dennis Kirby Mark-III, 912ul, in Cedar Crest, New Mexico Kolb themselves - how is the current company to deal with as far as service, parts, quality of the build manuals and so on? Lucien, and fellow Kolbers Heres my answer: This summer, I installed a Rotax-912ul on my Mark-III. To do this, I had to order a 912 Installation Kit from the Kolb factory ($850.) I called Travis at TNK and told him I needed the kit, but at that price, Id have to save up for a few weeks and therefore, would not be ordering it for another month or so. Three days later, the kit shows up on my doorstep with a note from Travis saying, Heres the Kit get started on your installation. Send us a check when you can. How many companies provide THAT kind of customer support? I rest my case. Dennis Kirby Mark-III, 912ul, in Cedar Crest, New Mexico ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:50 PM PST US From: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Hauling... --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <<... Any words of wisdom? ... Thanx >> David - I, too, use a flatbed trailer to transport my Mark-III. Here is my idea for supporting the tail: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil.02.12.2005/ Once on the trailer, I set an old tire under the dolly for added shock absorption. The whole affair is then securely strapped down. Works great. Dennis Kirby New Mexico ... Any words of wisdom? ... Thanx David I, too, use a flatbed trailer to transport my Mark-III. Here is my idea for supporting the tail: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil.02.12.2005/ Once on the trailer, I set an old tire under the dolly for added shock absorption. The whole affair is then securely strapped down. Works great. Dennis Kirby New Mexico ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:32 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Kolb-List: Hauling Kolbs on flat beds --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" You may also consider removing the wings and laying them flat on the trailer deck to reduce side area. If you are pulling with a truck that has a cap, or a van, one of the wings can even be strapped to the roof. With the bird exposed you really get a lot of wind loads on the folded structure that it is not meant to take. Also dont forget to make control locks for the tail feathers, I made mine out of CPVC pipe with pipe foam insulation over them for padding. You need four TEEs and four elbows in addition to the pipe. Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:10 PM PST US From: David Lehman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Hauling... --> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman Dennis, more great ideas and I appreciate the pictures, thanx... David On 11/30/05, Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL < > Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> > > <<... Any words of wisdom? ... Thanx >> > > > David - > > > I, too, use a flatbed trailer to transport my Mark-III. > > Here is my idea for supporting the tail: > > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil.02.12.2005/ > < > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil.02.12.2005 > /> > > > Once on the trailer, I set an old tire under the dolly for added shock > absorption. > > The whole affair is then securely strapped down. > > Works great. > > > Dennis Kirby > > New Mexico > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:46 PM PST US From: David Lehman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hauling Kolbs on flat beds --> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman Thanx Denny, I've been considering the "wing removed" option too... I noticed the tail lock in some of the pictures on the net... How long do the pieces of pipe need to be?... Unfortunately, I don't have a Kolb locally to look at, so I'm going to have to prepare everything before I go to pick it up... Thanx again... David On 11/30/05, Denny Rowe wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" > > You may also consider removing the wings and laying them flat on the > trailer deck to reduce side area. > If you are pulling with a truck that has a cap, or a van, one of the wings > can even be strapped to the roof. > With the bird exposed you really get a lot of wind loads on the folded > structure that it is not meant to take. > Also dont forget to make control locks for the tail feathers, I made mine > out of CPVC pipe with pipe foam insulation over them for padding. You need > four TEEs and four elbows in addition to the pipe. > > Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:11 PM PST US From: Earl & Mim Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III on EBAY --> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman David Key wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" > > REGUARDING THE The Mark III on EBAY I hear he'll take 12,500. It's been > flipped, frame is cracking, needs some love. > DO NOT ARCHIVE > Dave I think you may be thinking of another MKIII that for sale but not on Ebay?? If you are refering to the one I think you are it's a nice plane and worth $12,500. As for the crack it's just one weld that needs redone. It's in my hanger and if I did'nt already have two planes I would probably buy it. ~ Earl -- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:13 PM PST US From: ray anderson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hauling Kolbs on flat beds --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson My Kolb Ultra Star was transported about 800 miles about one year ago on a flat bed trailer. The wings were removed and stacked underneath the fuselage with a light wood frame between them to keep them apart. Every thing was wrapped in a commercial grade plastic similar to Saran Wrap. Careful planing and wrapping will insure there is no gap that will permit wind to get in between any sections of the structure. The wrap is available at most hardware stores and Lowes and comes in a large roll about two feet in width. Is quite cheap. Movers blankets were wrapped across corners and pointy areas before the plastic wrap. The rear of the fuselage should be supported in some manner so the aircraft doesn't rest on the tail wheel. Lash every thing down securely and there should be no problem. I would strongly suggest that you don't haul it with wings folded. You can encounter some pretty strong unexpected side loadings in a long haul like that. Could even tilt the trailer. David Lehman wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman Thanx Denny, I've been considering the "wing removed" option too... I noticed the tail lock in some of the pictures on the net... How long do the pieces of pipe need to be?... Unfortunately, I don't have a Kolb locally to look at, so I'm going to have to prepare everything before I go to pick it up... Thanx again... David On 11/30/05, Denny Rowe wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" > > You may also consider removing the wings and laying them flat on the > trailer deck to reduce side area. > If you are pulling with a truck that has a cap, or a van, one of the wings > can even be strapped to the roof. > With the bird exposed you really get a lot of wind loads on the folded > structure that it is not meant to take. > Also dont forget to make control locks for the tail feathers, I made mine > out of CPVC pipe with pipe foam insulation over them for padding. You need > four TEEs and four elbows in addition to the pipe. > > Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA > --------------------------------- Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:15 PM PST US From: "Michael Bigelow" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III on EBAY --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Michael Bigelow" 12,500 ??? The buy it now price on ebay is 11,500 dollars. If you come up with that you can end the auction and have your Mark III right now. Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:14 PM PST US From: "Michael Bigelow" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: New Memeber Q's on Mark III --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Michael Bigelow" I decided on the Kolb MK III Xtra due to its flying qualities and design above all else, that is what is most important to me. That being said..... Now that I having the Mark III built, and the Kolb company has been awesome. They are very responsive and helpful, and Travis does everything possible to make whatever I need happen. You could not deal with a better, more honest and hard working bunch of people. A really good product backed by a great bunch of people, it just does not get any better than that !!!! Mike Bigelow ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:56 PM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III on EBAY --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" Sorry wrong one I got it confused with the one on Barnstormers. >From: "Michael Bigelow" >Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III on EBAY >Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:52:41 -0500 > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Michael Bigelow" > >12,500 ??? The buy it now price on ebay is 11,500 dollars. If you come >up >with that you can end the auction and have your Mark III right now. > >Do Not Archive > >