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1. 05:26 AM - Re: Firefly forced to Land (bill_joe)
2. 05:52 AM - Hanger Shinanigans (N27SB@aol.com)
3. 06:11 AM - airport alternatives (robert bean)
4. 06:20 AM - Re: Wire wheel? (Guy Morgan)
5. 06:50 AM - R laird - Kolb owner? (lucien stavenhagen)
6. 07:06 AM - Re: airport alternatives (Kirk Smith)
7. 07:11 AM - Re: R laird - Kolb owner? (Robert Laird)
8. 07:29 AM - Re: airport alternatives (robert bean)
9. 08:03 AM - Re: Hanger Shenanigans (Jack B. Hart)
10. 08:25 AM - Re: airport alternatives (Kirk Smith)
11. 08:26 AM - Re: airport alternatives (russ kinne)
12. 08:42 AM - Re: airport alternatives (kfackler)
13. 08:42 AM - Re: airport alternatives (Larry Bourne)
14. 12:34 PM - Re: airport alternatives (pat ladd)
15. 12:44 PM - Re: airport alternatives (pat ladd)
16. 01:43 PM - Re: airport alternatives (robert bean)
17. 01:46 PM - Re: Mark III on EBAY (Richard Pike)
18. 03:12 PM - airports (russ kinne)
19. 03:31 PM - Re: airport alternatives (Herb Gayheart)
20. 04:21 PM - Re: airport alternatives (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
21. 06:04 PM - Re: Hanger Shinanigans (roger lee)
22. 07:52 PM - Re: Firefly forced to Land (bryan green)
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly forced to Land |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bill_joe" <bill_joe@bellsouth.net>
Very well said Jack, I agree with you. Everyone should be flying
with a up todate chart and know how to read it. Ultralite pilots should
know, understand, and follow all regulations around airports as far as
patterns are concerned. The first time a GA pilot catch's us doing anything
wrong we hear about it. It is a big concern here where I fly, I overheard a
pilot make a remark about an Ultralite not following the pattern here, well
one good thing is if he don't cause an accident maybe he will only kill
himself. Right now one GA pilot has made a call to the insurance carrier for
the airport and complained about this type thing. Now the ins. is saying
that as long as Ultralite are aloud to fly here they will no longer insure
the airport. It is a big mess, they are going to have a hearing on the 8th
of this month. All ultralites should have at least a handheld radio and
follow the rules set be the FAA around airports.
Other than that we get along pretty well. We have air national guard,
air ambulance, sheriff dep,some commercial traffic, a lot of GA and Exp
planes, and we also have a ILS system on runway 90 that is used a lot. Our
runways 9 &27 is 7000x100 and 21 &3 is 6000 x 100 concrete. All it takes is
someone to come busting through here flying like he is at a local grass
strip and they are raising hell.
We can all get along if everyone follows and understands the rules.
I hope this helps some of the new ultralite pilots understand the
importance of this.
Thanks, gang.
Billie Futrell
MK111Xtra,912
Brooksville Fla.
Hernando County Airport.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "ray anderson" <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly forced to Land
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>
> Maybe I'm missing something but it seems to me that any pilot in a private
> plane not up to date and current as to the situation at Camp David on any
> given day, would have the common sense to assume the the safe thing to do
> is use always the six mile figure. For heavens sake, why set your self up
> for a big hassle and embarrassment for a measly three miles horizontally.
> Anyone that haphazard and careless maybe shouldn't be flying. It's not
> that I'm so worried about the president, but that kind of stupidity could
> run all over me somewhere. O.K so I'm in a bad mood, but those kind of
> things tee me off because it makes things harder for all of us in the long
> run.
>
> "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart"
>
> At 06:55 PM 12/2/05 -0000, you wrote:
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL
>>
>
> < Most of the time, the restricted airspace around Camp David is 12,500
> feet
> high with a radius of three nautical miles, or about 31/2 miles. But
> when
> the president is at Camp David, as he was Sunday, the space expands to
> an
> altitude of 18,000 feet with a radius of five nautical miles, or nearly
> six
> miles. >
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Hanger Shinanigans |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:27:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
bill_joe@bellsouth.net writes:
> The first time a GA pilot catch's us doing anything
> wrong we hear about it. It is a big concern here where I fly, I overheard a
> pilot make a remark about an Ultralite not following the pattern here, well
> one good thing is if he don't cause an accident maybe he will only kill
> himself. Right now one GA pilot has made a call to the insurance carrier for
>
> the airport and complained about this type thing. Now the ins. is saying
> that as long as Ultralite are aloud to fly here they will no longer insure
> the airport. It is a big mess, they are going to have a hearing on the 8th
> of this month. All ultralites should have at least a handheld radio and
> follow the rules set be the FAA around airports.
>
Bill, It gets worse than that. I recently was checking on hangers at a
Central FL Airport. The Airport manager actually admitted that he would not rent
an
available hanger to someone that did not buy aviation fuel or bought very
little because of infrequent flying. Like most airports here it is an ex AF Base
so I am sure they have used Federal funds. Sounds fishy to me.
Steve B
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| Subject: | airport alternatives |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
When old age eventually forces me to sell my "eastern ponderosa",
and if I still have the Kolb, I'll look for the smallest airport
available
with shelter. I'f I can't find something suitable then look for a
farmer
who would like to make a few hundred easy dollars a year by
renting enough ground and a shed to keep me going.
-not sure I'd want to share with cows like John H does though.
-BB do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Jeremy,
Check FAA pub AC 43.13 for acceptable practices. It is available online,
although I don't have the address at this time. You can download the whole
pub in .pdf format.
A brass wheel would work provided you go easy with it and don't dwell on one
spot for too long at a time. The preferred method is always the least
destructive first. I prefer chemical stripping if possible, then plastic
media bead blasting, and abrasive last. Hope this helps.
Guy Morgan
Galveston, TX Firefly
From: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Subject: Kolb-List: Wire wheel?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Is a BRASS wire wheel acceptable for removing old flaky primer and
surface rust from 4130 aircraft tubing?
Enquiring minds want to know...
Jeremy Casey
Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc.
www.kilocharlie.us
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| Subject: | R laird - Kolb owner? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
Hey Robert,
I thought I recognized your name - I used to read TX flyer at least once a
week to recount your trips (I say used to, I've backed down to about once a
month lately hah)...
But I see that now you're a Kolb owner. What Kolb do you have now and why
did you choose one?
Well I'm a Kolb owner now too, so I probably already know the answer to that
heh... I recently bought a FS II from a gentleman down in Victoria, TX. It
was so well built and taken care of I wrote him a check on the spot about
the time he got the wings unfolded and I was sitting in it ;).
Anyway, you should fly up to Lockhart where I'm hangared (50R, I think
you've flown in there before) so I can shake your hand and look at your
Kolb....
Apologies to the list, just wanted to say hi to a new fellow
lister/Kolber....
LS
N646F
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| Subject: | Re: airport alternatives |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
. I'f I can't find something suitable then look for a
> farmer
> who would like to make a few hundred easy dollars a year by
> renting enough ground and a shed to keep me going.
Bob,
The few hundred bucks probably wouldn't pay for the liability insurance he'd
need.
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| Subject: | Re: R laird - Kolb owner? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
Lucien --
Well, I guess we belong to a mutual admiration society. At one point
I owned a trike and I followed your exploits in your trike and we
probably even exchanged a few messages over the last several years.
I got a Kolb MkIIIC w/ 912S... brought it home last weekend, but
haven't gotten it out of the trailer yet (too busy at work and home).
There are two good reasons I bought the Kolb... first and foremost was
that the wings fold, and I want to be about to take it on vacations
with me (like Monument Valley <g>). But the other reasons are all
mixed together: the design, the strength, the speed, the lightness of
controls, the performance on landing/takeoff, etc.... and a very close
3rd place reason is this list, which is without a doubt the best
UL/LSA/Experimental aircraft list on the planet!
I'm headed out to the airport right now to get it out of the trailer
and, if the weather holds, to do a few laps around the pattern.
Yes, I've been to Lockhart a few times... always asked around for you
but always seemed to miss you. I'll make it up there again pretty
soon...
-- Robert
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On 12/3/05, lucien stavenhagen <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
>
> Hey Robert,
>
> I thought I recognized your name - I used to read TX flyer at least once a
> week to recount your trips (I say used to, I've backed down to about once a
> month lately hah)...
> But I see that now you're a Kolb owner. What Kolb do you have now and why
> did you choose one?
>
> Well I'm a Kolb owner now too, so I probably already know the answer to that
> heh... I recently bought a FS II from a gentleman down in Victoria, TX. It
> was so well built and taken care of I wrote him a check on the spot about
> the time he got the wings unfolded and I was sitting in it ;).
>
> Anyway, you should fly up to Lockhart where I'm hangared (50R, I think
> you've flown in there before) so I can shake your hand and look at your
> Kolb....
>
> Apologies to the list, just wanted to say hi to a new fellow
> lister/Kolber....
>
> LS
> N646F
>
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: airport alternatives |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Guess I should chase all the hunters, snowmobilers and ATV'rs off my
place then? :) I don't see a nickel from anyone. do not archive
On 3, Dec 2005, at 10:09 AM, Kirk Smith wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
>
> . I'f I can't find something suitable then look for a
>> farmer
>> who would like to make a few hundred easy dollars a year by
>> renting enough ground and a shed to keep me going.
>
> Bob,
> The few hundred bucks probably wouldn't pay for the liability
> insurance he'd
> need.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger Shenanigans |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
At 08:51 AM 12/3/05 EST, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
>Bill, It gets worse than that. I recently was checking on hangers at a
>Central FL Airport. The Airport manager actually admitted that he would not rent
an
>available hanger to someone that did not buy aviation fuel or bought very
>little because of infrequent flying. Like most airports here it is an ex AF Base
>so I am sure they have used Federal funds. Sounds fishy to me.
>
>Steve B
>do not archive
Steve,
Sometimes you just have to be persistent. Moving from SE Missouri to east
central Indiana and to an area where I knew only a few people made it tough
to find hangar space. I wanted to hangar at Winchester. Since I had a
storage area in my son-in-laws barn, I moved my shop etc and some unused
house hold items in the six months before the Missouri house was sold.
Every time I made a trip, I would stop in at the Randolph County airport and
inquire about space. As time passed I asked to be put on a waiting list. I
called just about every two weeks to ask how things were going. Finally
when the final move was emanate and I was looking at outlying airports for
hangar space, I received a call saying space was available. I did not ask
how much it was going to cost or what kind of hangar it was. I just called
and said I would take it. I lucked out in that I moved from a large open
communal hangar to a secure single space hangar that cost me $30 less a
month that what I had been paying in Missouri.
I really believe that if I had not stopped often and talked with the line
boy, I would not have had a chance at getting a hangar. You do not have to
make your self a pest, but you do have to let them know that you are really
serious about wanting space. Since I do not purchase fuel, I try to do all
my own hangar maintenance work such as, lubricate the hangar door rollers,
change burnt out light bulbs, etc. Over the six months the FireFly has been
here, the manager has become more amenable. He has had reasons to be a
little "stand offish" because about a year and a half ago, a Kolb nosed in
while turning from down wind to base killing the pilot. So it is important
to me to keep the manager from feeling any heat from how I operate around
the airport. I try to remember that the FireFly is quite stealthy, and so
if I have to get off in the grass or abort and go around, it keeps me and my
FireFly safe. To tough it out would be the same as a motorcycle taking on a
pickup truck. There is no doubt about who would win or lose. One other
thing, when flying a Kolb your field of vision is so much better that any
other pilot in a conventional GA powered aircraft. You should always be
able to pick up other traffic before you can be seen.
A ramble from a guy house bound with the flu.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: airport alternatives |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Guess I should chase all the hunters, snowmobilers and ATV'rs off my
> place then? :) I don't see a nickel from anyone. do not archive
Bob
Are you in a rental agreement with them or are they trespassers? I've
looked into renting space on my airstrip to guys with ultralights that have
inquired about it. If they crash into a neighbors house after takeoff for
instance. Am I safe from law suit?
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| Subject: | Re: airport alternatives |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
we used to fly from a regular, certificated grass airport where a white
horse shared the runway with us.
Field was 2000' long and plenty wide. When he was on one side, we'd
land (Cessnas, Pipers, the skydiver's jump-plane) on the other. He'd
watch us but never ran around or caused any trouble. Good horse!
I hope John H hasn't had any trouble with cows; they're dumber than
horses by a long shot.
Fair winds,
Russ Kinne
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On Dec 3, 2005, at 9:10 AM, robert bean wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> When old age eventually forces me to sell my "eastern ponderosa",
> and if I still have the Kolb, I'll look for the smallest airport
> available
> with shelter. I'f I can't find something suitable then look for a
> farmer
> who would like to make a few hundred easy dollars a year by
> renting enough ground and a shed to keep me going.
> -not sure I'd want to share with cows like John H does though.
> -BB do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: airport alternatives |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Kirk:
You may want to have a chat with GTUF member, Quicksilver pilot, and
practicing attorney, Jerry Pergande. He even gave a talk last winter at a
GTUF meeting on the legal issues around ultralight activity. It was
enlightening if depressing. If you want me to send you a synopsis of what I
remember, I can. Email me offline if you want that.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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| Subject: | Re: airport alternatives |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
If I remember right, I think John's main problem with the cows is their
"residue" painting the underside of his wings. :-) "Dumber than
horses ??" Yah, but that ain't saying much. lol Do
not Archive. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "russ kinne" <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: airport alternatives
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
>
> we used to fly from a regular, certificated grass airport where a white
> horse shared the runway with us.
> Field was 2000' long and plenty wide. When he was on one side, we'd
> land (Cessnas, Pipers, the skydiver's jump-plane) on the other. He'd
> watch us but never ran around or caused any trouble. Good horse!
> I hope John H hasn't had any trouble with cows; they're dumber than
> horses by a long shot.
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| Subject: | Re: airport alternatives |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
The few hundred bucks probably wouldn't pay for the liability insurance he'd
need.>>
Hi Bob,
you mean the FARMER is responsible if the PILOT has an accident?
Surely not
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: airport alternatives |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
I hope John H hasn't had any trouble with cows; they're dumber than
horses by a long shot.>>
Hi Russ,
Saint Exupery in Sand Wind and Stars is explaining the hazards of the route
to a new pilot.
`If you have a forced landing, don`t land there.` He points to a particular
spot on the chart `There is a flock of sheep there which hides behind the
trees and then they all rush out in front of you when you land`
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: airport alternatives |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Pat, here in the land of lawyers someone can sue a 3rd party who has
no direct responsibility for the incident, that is if he has "deep
pockets."
The lawyers make sure the jury
is stuffed with imbeciles and then start playing the violin.
I refuse to live in a perpetual state of paranoia and go naked.
If someone really does me wrong I'll just shoot the bastard.
(leftover from my Tennessee ancestors)
Thanx for the tip on the sheep.
-BB definitely do not archive
On 3, Dec 2005, at 3:33 PM, pat ladd wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> The few hundred bucks probably wouldn't pay for the liability
> insurance he'd
> need.>>
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> you mean the FARMER is responsible if the PILOT has an accident?
>
> Surely not
>
> Pat
>
> do not archive
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III on EBAY |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
I looked at the pictures & ad in ebay, but something struck me as odd - the
required "experimental - passenger notice" was missing from the panel. I
asked the seller if the plane came with any paperwork, Airworthiness
Certificate, registration, etc. He replied that it has N numbers but zero
paperwork. Says the previous owner ripped him off...
Sounds to me like you need to make a phone call to the FAA and find out if
it is licensable before you bid a dime.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:05 AM 12/1/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Michael Bigelow" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
>If that Mark III is in even fair condition, 11,500 seems like a great price
> :) If you know of one for 12,500 that also seems like quite a deal,
>those are very nice planes....
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Pat, all
I'm sure St-Exupery spoke from personal experience with sheep. But
though they're dumber than cows, they can be trained. I did some
gliding out of as field in Holland where there were at least 100 sheep
-- which stayed at their own end of the field. I was told they'd been
trained by a jeep full of yelling men, with the horn blowing, whenever
they 'crossed the line'. It can be done.
I wish we could train the FAA types that way --
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| Subject: | Re: airport alternatives |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
Pat
The aviation accident law suit I read about seemed to read such that
the savy lawyer included the manufacture of the screws and rivits that
hold the plane together, the company that made the paint, the engine ,
the airframe, the brakes, wheels and tires, oil filter, air filter --on
and on!! Whever there were deep pockets. I guess the Judge gets to
decide who should be included out of the long list? Based on his
expertise in such matters. :-)
The farmer contributed to the accident by virtue of, "aiding and
abetting" ?? No airstrip--no accident.. Grass to long--take off
hindered? :-) Herb
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:33:23 -0000 "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> The few hundred bucks probably wouldn't pay for the liability
> insurance he'd
> need.>>
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> you mean the FARMER is responsible if the PILOT has an accident?
>
> Surely not
>
> Pat
>
> do not archive
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Correct me if I'm wrong but TEAM aircraft was actually put out of business
even after winning a lawsuit. As I understand it, three guys were going to
breakfast. Two said it was too foggy, visibility too bad, we're gonna wait.
Out hero says no, I'm going now. When the other two guys took off later and
got to the breakfast place, our hero was nowhere to be found so they went
back looking for him. He had crashed. Now somehow he figured this was the
airplane's fault so he sued TEAM. He lost - TEAM won. But I understand his
lawyer wouldn't let go and pursued numerous lawsuits against TEAM until he
finally forced them out of business. Wayne Isson them formed "Isson
Aircraft" and I understand the lawyer now owns TEAM.
AzDave
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From: "Herb Gayheart" <herbgh@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: airport alternatives
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
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> Pat
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> The aviation accident law suit I read about seemed to read such that
> the savy lawyer included the manufacture of the screws and rivits that
> hold the plane together, the company that made the paint, the engine ,
> the airframe, the brakes, wheels and tires, oil filter, air filter --on
> and on!! Whever there were deep pockets. I guess the Judge gets to
> decide who should be included out of the long list? Based on his
> expertise in such matters. :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger Shinanigans |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: roger lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Hi All,
Just to let you know that many years ago Ryan airport in Tucson, AZ , they tried
to keep ultralights out. The big "but" is that if they receive any federal
funding for the airport they can't keep them out or they lose all the federal
funding. Our lawyer wrote them a letter stating the law and a funny thing happened,
we were all of a sudden welcome.
Roger Lee
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In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:27:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
bill_joe@bellsouth.net writes:
> The first time a GA pilot catch's us doing anything
> wrong we hear about it. It is a big concern here where I fly, I overheard a
> pilot make a remark about an Ultralite not following the pattern here, well
> one good thing is if he don't cause an accident maybe he will only kill
> himself. Right now one GA pilot has made a call to the insurance carrier for
>
> the airport and complained about this type thing. Now the ins. is saying
> that as long as Ultralite are aloud to fly here they will no longer insure
> the airport. It is a big mess, they are going to have a hearing on the 8th
> of this month. All ultralites should have at least a handheld radio and
> follow the rules set be the FAA around airports.
>
Bill, It gets worse than that. I recently was checking on hangers at a
Central FL Airport. The Airport manager actually admitted that he would not rent
an
available hanger to someone that did not buy aviation fuel or bought very
little because of infrequent flying. Like most airports here it is an ex AF Base
so I am sure they have used Federal funds. Sounds fishy to me.
Steve B
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly forced to Land |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Billie I agree with what you have said. One thing that I suggest is
that everyone think twice before they bring outsiders like the insurance
co. into our business. Kinda like the old glass house thing ya know. It
very easy to point out bad things if your not the one thats doing them
and consider yourself some what above others.
I fly both ultralights and GA and can point out problems with both
two examples of this would be.
1. While attending a flyin this year I was presented with the problem of
an ultralight playing in the pattern while I was on down wind for
landing (flying c-172) had to cut down wind short on short field to keep
from running over the guy.
2. While hosting our flyin this year most of the GA pilots flying in
made a left hand pattern to 23 and a nice landing. The problem with that
was 23 is a right hand pattern denoted with a segmented circle at the
field and also listed in the airport and facilities directory.
I think the main problem rest with the person that trained these
pilots and second with the people that run around blabbing about how
stupid ultralight or GA pilots are. I think the best thing to do would
be to remember we are all pilots and we all make mistakes. Perhaps it
would be better to grow a set and walk up to the person and nicely say I
am concerned with your safety while this happened it possibly would be
better to do it this way so that we all can fly safely. Like an old
chief told me one time it's better if we take care of our own.FWIW
Bryan Green Elgin SC
bill_joe wrote:
> We can all get along if everyone follows and understands the rules.
> I hope this helps some of the new ultralite pilots understand the
>importance of this.
> Thanks, gang.
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