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1. 01:27 AM - Re: lift reserve indicator (pat ladd)
2. 01:42 AM - Re: Downwind turns (pat ladd)
3. 01:53 AM - Re: Flying without instruments (David L. Bigelow)
4. 05:41 AM - Re: John W's Texas Flight Report (John Hauck)
5. 06:58 AM - Last Flight 2005 - Texas (John Hauck)
6. 07:30 AM - Kolbra info (lucien stavenhagen)
7. 07:31 AM - Re: Home Made AOA Meter (JIM HEFNER)
8. 07:49 AM - Re: Downwind turns (Larry Bourne)
9. 08:12 AM - Re: Downwind turns (bryan green)
10. 08:24 AM - Re: Downwind turns & Lar bashing! (Michael Sharp)
11. 08:53 AM - Re: John W's Texas Flight Report (pat ladd)
12. 08:53 AM - Re: Downwind turns (pat ladd)
13. 08:54 AM - 914 turbo + 912uls=how much power (Christopher Armstrong)
14. 11:14 AM - Re: Kolbra info (Mitty)
15. 11:47 AM - Re: 914 turbo + 912uls=how much power (John Hauck)
16. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Downwind turns (Bob N.)
17. 12:59 PM - Re: Special Kolb Christmas Message (DCulver701@aol.com)
18. 01:41 PM - Building (Paul Petty)
19. 03:02 PM - Kolb vs. Titan, Airaile (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
20. 04:06 PM - 914 turbo + 912uls=how much power (Michael Bigelow)
21. 04:19 PM - Re: 914 turbo + 912uls=how much power (John Hauck)
22. 04:43 PM - Re: Downwind turns & Lar bashing! (Larry Bourne)
23. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: Downwind turns (Larry Bourne)
24. 05:42 PM - Monument Valley 2006 (WillUribe@aol.com)
25. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: Downwind turns (lucien stavenhagen)
26. 06:46 PM - Re: Last Flight 2005 - Texas (lucien stavenhagen)
27. 06:46 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2006 (Larry Bourne)
28. 07:32 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2006 (lucien stavenhagen)
29. 07:55 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2006 (John Cooley)
30. 08:04 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2006 (John Hauck)
31. 08:11 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2006 (John Hauck)
32. 08:20 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2006 (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
33. 08:47 PM - Re: Prop noise (DAquaNut@AOL.COM)
34. 08:50 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2006 (Larry Bourne)
35. 08:54 PM - Re: Hanger (DAquaNut@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: lift reserve indicator |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
A very good instrument but a little expensive. Kolbers being
do it yourselfers can devise something to yield similar info.>>
Hi,
wouldn`t one of the ose dinky little wind indicators dinghy sailors use on
the top of their masts work fitted horizontally instead of vertically?. The
bearing is the wrong way but the weight is very little.
On the other hand I always found a piece of ribbon tied to the stays was
just as good and easier to see.
Cheers
Pat
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Downwind turns |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
downwind turn close to the ground,without an airspeed indicator.>>
Hi All,
I can see this heading for the old arguement about airspeed decreasing as
you turn down wind and I won`t go there, it has been done to death but I
will make the point that if you are turning while low you are also flying
into the area where the windspeed decreases because of its proximity to the
ground. Remember `wind gradient` from those early lessons?
Taking the extreme case. Iif you are flying (foolishly) only 5knots above
the stall and the wind drops by 5 knots. Thats it. Kaput! With no height to
recover.
In stronger winds the gradient may drop by 10 or more.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | RE: Flying without instruments |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
At the risk of beating this thread to death.......
There's no doubt that a good angle of attack instrument is the best speed instrument
available. Unfortunately, it's not practical for an ultralight (or any
other a/c) unless it is amplified. You just can't see the difference between
10 and 12 degrees on a vane, and that's roughly where you will be flying on approach.
Only aircraft I've ever flown without an airspeed indicator is hang gliders. Being
completely exposed to the breeze, and able to hear every nuance of sound
makes it easy to control airspeed. Also, hang gliders have a very positive hands
off trim point, and it takes a fair amount of forward pressure on the control
bar (think back stick) to stall one.
Put yourself in a very noisy cockpit sheltered from the wind in an airplane with
light stick forces, and it becomes very difficult to control airspeed precisely
without an instrument reference. If I had to choose only one instrument,
it would be the airspeed indicator. It's not a bad idea to practice stabilized
approaches without looking at the airspeed indicator just in case you ever lose
it, but as regular thing - good way to bust your rear.
Dave Bigelow
Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, DCDI 503
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| Subject: | Re: John W's Texas Flight Report |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| I live in Dallas and would love to go on an adventure with you |
| David Key
David K/Others:
John W does no longer monitor the Kolb List.
john h
MKIII/912ULS
Titus, Alabama
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Last Flight 2005 - Texas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Morning Gang:
Had a good flight out to Texas to spend time flying with friends.
Departed my airstrip, Gantt International Airport, 1000, 1 Dec 05.
Dropped in on Paul Petty's in-laws, Harris Field, MS, for coffee and
lunch. Next stop was John Bickham's new airstrip, Nauga Field, St
Francisville, LA. John and his wife graciously put me up for the
night after feeding me the best red beans and rice, and country
sausage, I have ever eaten. In the process got to make the first
landing and take off from John's airstrip.
Next stop was Beaumont, TX. Didn't take long to fly there from St
Francisville, LA. My ground speed was 115 mph. Airspeed was 85 mph.
Would have been difficult to determine airspeed without my trusty
Winter ASI. Don't know what my AOA was. ;-)
Got on the ground and found my three friends had already arrived.
John W on the left, Ken K middle, and Gary H, on the right:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3146_resize.JPG
After lunch at Sonic we took off and headed for Port Authur, TX, the
Texas/Louisiana State Line and the Gulf of Mexico. Here's John W and
his Kolbra heading south on the Texas beach:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3145_resize.JPG
Doing what we do best, low level down the beach from Louisiana to the
Mexican Border. Shot of Gary H in his MKIII:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3149_resize.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3150_resize.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3153_resize.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3155_resize.JPG
John W's Kolbra:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3157_resize.JPG
John W's Kolbra and Ken K's Titan:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3164_resize.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3165_resize.JPG
John W and Ken K leading Miss P'fer:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3174_resize.JPG
The rest of the flight. All aircraft powered with the 912ULS. Might
add, we had nary a problem aircraft or power-wise:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3177_resize.JPG
Gary H and John W:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3182_resize.JPG
The flight has to gain a little altitude and shift to maintain
clearance with beach traffic:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3187_resize.JPG
Good time was being had by all:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3193_resize.JPG
Gary H approaches an old steel light house:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3195_resize.JPG
John H gets a quick snapshot of the old steel light house on the fly:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3196_resize.JPG
Shrimp boat ship wrecked on the beach:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3197_resize.JPG
Made it down to Mustang Beach near Corpus Christi to RON. After a
great steak dinner in the Yacht Club next to the air port, we sacked
out on the floor of the FBO.
Next morning after a short walk to the local convenience store for
coffee and donuts, we were off to continue our flight down the beach.
Here's Gary H leading the way:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3201_resize.JPG
Perfect morning to be flying the beach, except we had a strong
headwind. Air was smooth as silk coming off the water:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3202_resize.JPG
This leg turned out to be 3.5 hours from Mustang Beach to McAllen, TX.
Here are the guys just after we turned west up the Rio Grande River.
That's Mexico on the other side. Gary called Brownsville Tower to get
permission to fly through their airspace south of the field:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3203_resize.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3204_resize.JPG
We landed at Del Rio, TX. Last time I landed here was on the way to
Alaska in 1994. Put up our tents and headed out walking to town for
dinner. Found a local Mexican Resturant (really a locals place to
eat) and had some excellent Mexican food. On the way back to the
airport, stopped off at Dairy Queen for some ice cream to simmer in
the recent Mexican dinner. It was still early when we got back to the
airport, so we sat around and reminiced about the days flying:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3209_resize.JPG
Next morning, Sunday, 4 Dec 05, we took off, headed west to the Rio
Grande. Flew up stream until we came to the Pecos River. Turned
right up the Pecos for a good ways, then headed for Sonora, TX:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3210_resize.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3213_resize.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3214_resize.JPG
After a good Texas Sunday lunch buffet, our group split up. John W
and Ken K headed for Arlington, TX. Gary H and I headed for Houston
and his airstrip at Dry Creek. We made one quick op stop at Austin.
The weather started turning cold and overcast. Up until this point we
had been blessed with beautiful warm weather.
Gary H and his wife feed me some Texas chilli and put me to bed. Next
morning I was off for Alabama at 0830, 5 Dec. Got fuel in Natchez,
MS. Didn't take time to eat lunch. If I had, I would not have been
able to make Gantt IAP before dark. The weather was really cold now,
35 to 40F. After my fuel stop I was also sitting in the shade of the
wing for the remainder of the flight back to Alabama. Had the Chilli
Vest (12VDC) on WOT and still had cold feet and hands, despite wool
socks and boots, and gloves. First time I had the thermostat on the
jacket WOT and still colder than I ever got on two previous trips with
the Chilli Vest to Alaska. However, I was dressed appropriately for
the Alaska flights, and this flight I lacked some essential clothing.
Flew five days straight.
2,429.6 sm.
Average ground speed was 82.5 mph.
Max ground speed was 124 mph.
Burned 166.0 gal fuel at 5.4 gph. Might add Gary H and I both pushed
our 912ULS's to keep up with the Kolbra and Titan. I flew 5,200 rpm
most of the time, yielding 90 mph cruise.
Was a great flight. We all had fun flying and visiting.
Now it is time to get back to my chores. Won't be another good flight
until next Spring.
john h
MKIII/912ULS
Titus, Alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
Hi all,
Not to take away from the airspeed/AOA thread, but.... ;)
Are there any Kolbra builders/flyers on the list? The Kolbra is one of the
planes I'm considering for my next plane, but I've searched up and down the
internet in vain for detailed photos, info and etc (does Kolb make this
plane anymore?)...
In fact the Kolbra looks like just the ticket for my #1 airplane requirement
(good view) because of the tandem seating...... I'd be interested to hear
about it from other Kolbra owners/builders/flyers...
Thanks,
LS
N646F
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| Subject: | Re: Home Made AOA Meter |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JIM HEFNER" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
Jack, folks,
This is exactly the setup my friend has implemented on his Zenith 701... this was
a big topic of discussion on the Zenith thread not all that long ago, so he
decided to implement on his plane and it is slick!! Having this instrument in
the dash where it is readily visible during landing is great. Looking off to
the side during landing is not a good thing, as Lucien indicated. Planes, including
ultralights, that are in the business of towing gliders pretty much all
use AOA meters of some sort, including strings out in the airstream, with a
reference marker for stall AOA. For us casual Kolb fliers, I don't think this
is an essential instrument, but if you are pushing the envelope with your Kolb,
you might want to consider this.
BB, I don't think I would go as far as saying this is more useful than a VSI, at
least for my usage. I put a VSI in my FF early on and find myself using it
a lot during flight... I have an adjustable trim tab, so it's nice to know I'm
flying level while I'm trimming the plane out. Also on longer flights I find
myself climbing or descending slightly when I didn't intend to... The LRI or
AOA indicator would probably not get used near as much as my VSI. The FF with
full flaps and ASI 50 lands great every time, so I'm not looking for more precision
than that and I don't push the envelope with 90 degree banked turns at
low altitude, so I doubt if this instrument would be all that useful to me.
With folding the wings each time I fly, it would be tough to implement the LRI
in the dash, with sender unit out under the wing, without a veryy long feeder
tube fed through the rear wing mount/universal joint area, fed forward to the
mounting location under the wing chord.
Bottom line is, this started out as a technical discussion about ASI being the
all truthful instrument, but it is not in all circumstances, where the AOA/LRI
indicator is always valid. From a practical point of view, I think it is a neat
concept, but I won't be implementing one on my FF anytime soon.
Jim Hefner
Tucson, AZ
FF #022
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net<mailto:jbhart@onlyinternet.net>>
At 12:41 PM 12/7/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us<mailto:n79rt@kilocharlie.us>>
>
>Look here for the "homemade" version of the high dollar "Lift reserve
>indicator".
>
Jeremy,
This is great. One can get a little better printout from:
http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/aoa.htm<http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/aoa.htm>
and the drawing prints out well from:
http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/print/angleattack.jpg<http://www.ch601org/resources/aoa/print/angleattack.jpg>
I changed the subject line.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Downwind turns |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
This one's been beaten pretty good, too, Pat. Wind speed has no bearing on
your Air Speed, since you're flying in that moving column, but it most
definitely has an effect on your Ground Speed. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> downwind turn close to the ground,without an airspeed indicator.>>
>
> Hi All,
> I can see this heading for the old arguement about airspeed decreasing as
> you turn down wind and I won`t go there, it has been done to death but I
> will make the point that if you are turning while low you are also flying
> into the area where the windspeed decreases because of its proximity to
> the
> ground. Remember `wind gradient` from those early lessons?
> Taking the extreme case. Iif you are flying (foolishly) only 5knots above
> the stall and the wind drops by 5 knots. Thats it. Kaput! With no height
> to
> recover.
> In stronger winds the gradient may drop by 10 or more.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
> --
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Downwind turns |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Hi Lar, if you believe this one do an experiment. Next time you turn
into the wind to do a run up with say a 15 kt wind (and gusty would be
better) note the reading on your asi and also watch it bounce.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Larry Bourne wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>This one's been beaten pretty good, too, Pat. Wind speed has no bearing on
>your Air Speed, since you're flying in that moving column, but it most
>definitely has an effect on your Ground Speed. Lar.
>Do not Archive.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Building Kolb Mk III
>N78LB Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>>
>>downwind turn close to the ground,without an airspeed indicator.>>
>>
>>Hi All,
>>I can see this heading for the old arguement about airspeed decreasing as
>>you turn down wind and I won`t go there, it has been done to death but I
>>will make the point that if you are turning while low you are also flying
>>into the area where the windspeed decreases because of its proximity to
>>the
>>ground. Remember `wind gradient` from those early lessons?
>>Taking the extreme case. Iif you are flying (foolishly) only 5knots above
>>the stall and the wind drops by 5 knots. Thats it. Kaput! With no height
>>to
>>recover.
>>In stronger winds the gradient may drop by 10 or more.
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>Pat
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Downwind turns & Lar bashing! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Michael Sharp <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
Can we wait that long???
How is ole Vamoose Coming lar?????
Mike
Mark III Classic
Oklahoma...
about where Lar is and started the same time... :-(
Do Not Archive
bryan green <lgreen1@sc.rr.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green
Hi Lar, if you believe this one do an experiment. Next time you turn
into the wind to do a run up with say a 15 kt wind (and gusty would be
better) note the reading on your asi and also watch it bounce.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Larry Bourne wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne"
>
>This one's been beaten pretty good, too, Pat. Wind speed has no bearing on
>your Air Speed, since you're flying in that moving column, but it most
>definitely has an effect on your Ground Speed. Lar.
>Do not Archive.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Building Kolb Mk III
>N78LB Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "pat ladd"
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd"
>>
>>downwind turn close to the ground,without an airspeed indicator.>>
>>
>>Hi All,
>>I can see this heading for the old arguement about airspeed decreasing as
>>you turn down wind and I won`t go there, it has been done to death but I
>>will make the point that if you are turning while low you are also flying
>>into the area where the windspeed decreases because of its proximity to
>>the
>>ground. Remember `wind gradient` from those early lessons?
>>Taking the extreme case. Iif you are flying (foolishly) only 5knots above
>>the stall and the wind drops by 5 knots. Thats it. Kaput! With no height
>>to
>>recover.
>>In stronger winds the gradient may drop by 10 or more.
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>Pat
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: John W's Texas Flight Report |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Awesome flights John. Thanks for sharing with us. Don`t you have some big
empty spaces to fly over, lucky you.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Downwind turns |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Wind speed has no bearing on
your Air Speed, since you're flying in that moving column,>>
Right Lar,
I said I could see this one coming, which is why I carefully did not
comment.
Care for a side bet that the list can`t leave it alone?
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | 914 turbo + 912uls=how much power |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
HI experts,
I have been looking at the specs of the Rota flat 4's and was wondering
something.
The 912 makes 80 hp at 5500 rpm with a Bore: 79.5 mm Stroke: 61 mm.
Displacement: 1211 cu.cm (Compression: 9:1 Engine Weight: ~135 lbs
The 912ULS makes 95 hp at 5500 rpm continuous (100hp at 5800 5 min max) with
a Bore: 84mm Stroke: 61 mm. Displacement: 1352 cu.cm Compression: 9:1 Engine
Weight: ~140 lbs
The 914 UL2 makes 100 hp at 5500 rpm continuous (115 hp at 5800 5 min max)
with a Bore: 79.5 Stroke: 61 mm. Displacement: 1211 cu.cm (Compression: 9:1
Engine Weight: ~167 lbs
So if you add a similar sized turbo to a 912s what kinda power will you get?
912 goes from 80 to 100 (115 takeoff) so would a 912s go from 95 to 115 with
130 takeoff. At a weight of around 170 pounds that would be a decent
engine. Add fuel injection while your at it and you have a real engine!
Topher
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mitty <benny_bee_01@yahoo.com>
Paul P. builds one.He got ton of detailed pics and
info.He's a member of this list
do not archive
--- lucien stavenhagen <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien
> stavenhagen" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Not to take away from the airspeed/AOA thread,
> but.... ;)
>
> Are there any Kolbra builders/flyers on the list?
> The Kolbra is one of the
> planes I'm considering for my next plane, but I've
> searched up and down the
> internet in vain for detailed photos, info and etc
> (does Kolb make this
> plane anymore?)...
>
> In fact the Kolbra looks like just the ticket for my
> #1 airplane requirement
> (good view) because of the tandem seating...... I'd
> be interested to hear
> about it from other Kolbra owners/builders/flyers...
>
> Thanks,
> LS
> N646F
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
> _->
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 914 turbo + 912uls=how much power |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Topher/Gang:
Not an expert, by any means. I get my info off the Kodiak web page.
| The 912 makes 80 hp at 5500 rpm with a Bore: 79.5 mm Stroke: 61 mm.
| Displacement: 1211 cu.cm (Compression: 9:1 Engine Weight: ~135 lbs
912UL makes 79 hp max continuous at 5,500 and 81 hp for 5 min max at
5,800 rpm.
Engine w/gear box (an integral part of the engine) weighs 121.3 lbs.
You can go to this page to add up accessory weight and add it to
engine weight for all up flyable weight. Max torque is at 4,800.
http://www.kodiakbs.com/4intro.htm
| The 912ULS makes 95 hp at 5500 rpm continuous (100hp at 5800 5 min
max) with
| a Bore: 84mm Stroke: 61 mm. Displacement: 1352 cu.cm Compression:
9:1 Engine
| Weight: ~140 lbs
912ULS makes 95 max continuous at 5,500 and 100 hp at 5,800 rpm for 5
min max. Compression ration is 10.5 to 1, rather than 9.5 to 1 on the
912ULS. Eng w/gearbox weight is 124.8, not including accessories.
| The 914 UL2 makes 100 hp at 5500 rpm continuous (115 hp at 5800 5
min max)
| with a Bore: 79.5 Stroke: 61 mm. Displacement: 1211 cu.cm
(Compression: 9:1
| Engine Weight: ~167 lbs
| So if you add a similar sized turbo to a 912s what kinda power will
you get?
I can't answer that question. However, I, as well as John W, have
discovered we do not need a turbo to get more power from the 912ULS,
even at altitudes up to 15,000 feet.
| 912 goes from 80 to 100 (115 takeoff) so would a 912s go from 95 to
115 with
| 130 takeoff.
Don't know that either.
At a weight of around 170 pounds that would be a decent
| engine. Add fuel injection while your at it and you have a real
engine!
For those of us with some "decent" hours flying with the 912UL and the
912ULS, we "know" we have a great engine. Would be extremely nice to
have fuel inject, and I believe that we will see this improvement
soon.
BTW my max continuous cruise with the 912ULS is 95 hp @ 5,500 rpm,
compared to 100 hp on the 914 at same rpm. The degradation of power
at altitude has not presented a problem to those that fly regularly
over the Rockies, and other mountain ranges.
Take care,
john h
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Downwind turns |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <a58r@verizon.net>
AAARRGGGH! While we recently escaped the Super-Silly Seafom debacle,
must we again infect Kolb-list with a hawser (great big buncha
threads) of the Dreaded Downwind Turn encircling our scrawny necks?
Pls note: add. changed to a58r@verizon...and sorry I did!
pls do not archive
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
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| Subject: | Re: Special Kolb Christmas Message |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DCulver701@aol.com
Enjoyed the picture, thanks. Best regards, Dave Culver
Do not archive!
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required 4.6, BAYES_44 -0.00, HTML_60_70 0.11, HTML_MESSAGE 0.25)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
27 months ago I didn't even know what a "Hot box" was. Today I'm holding one in
my hand and reading the instructions!! This is really starting to be fun!!!!
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
I.L.D.S.
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| Subject: | Kolb vs. Titan, Airaile |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Mike Deegan wrote: << Could anyone contrast and compare the M3X with
the Titan II and the RANS S-12 Airaile? I prefer the looks of the Kolb
to either of these and the wing folding feature is good, but the
taildragger aspect worries me a bit... Thanks. >>
Hi, Mike -
Welcome to the List! You'll discover a wealth of info from the members
here.
Before I purchased my Mark-III kit, I visited Randy Schlitter's RANS factory
in Hays, Kansas and flew with him in his 912-powered S-12 demonstrator.
Nice plane, but I preferred the taildragger aspect of our Kolbs. The RANS
kits have "prettier" hardware (like the brackets, rudder pedals, control
horns, bellcranks, handles, etc.), which may suggest quality parts and good
attention to details. Flies just like you'd expect a nosewheel Mark-3 to
behave - very easy to fly. Construction is similar to a Kolb (aluminum tube
& fabric). I think the S-12 is about 10 mph faster than a
similarly-equipped Mark-III, because it is a bit more aerodynamically clean.
But it's not as STOL-capable as the Mark-III, which is another feature I
prefer on the Kolb. Everything is a tradeoff. The mild taildragger manners
of a Kolb make 'em easy to master - not like many other tailwheel airplanes
that are squirrly or difficult to control.
But regardless of all those niceties on the RANS, my choice was more
influenced by the wing-fold and transportability ease of our Kolbs, the
robust quality of the Kolb kits, and the structural crashworthiness (read
SAFETY) inherent in the Kolb design. And, Kolb Factory support is without
doubt the best in the business! (see my List post of 6 Dec 05).
I have no experience with the Titan, other than I know they are all metal
and are a helluva lot faster than a Kolb on the same power. But again, the
tradeoff is: it is way less STOL than a Kolb. (John Williamson's flying
buddy Ken just finished a Tornado - maybe John can offer some direct
comparisons with a Kolbra!)
Pick the Mark-III. I love mine - no regrets that I didn't purchase
something else.
Dennis Kirby
s/n M3-300, 1996 model, 912ul, 37.7 hrs total time, in
Cedar Crest, NM
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| Subject: | 914 turbo + 912uls=how much power |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Michael Bigelow" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
"Would be extremely nice to have fuel inject, and I believe that we will see
this improvement soon.
john h
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama "
The 912 is a great engine, I just ordered one for my MK-III :) Fuel
injection would make a great engine even better, but If they release a 912
with fuel injection just after I bought mine im going to be pissed ! Has
anyone heard if fuel injection is definately comming and any ideas when ????
I have been told that the 912 S is a much improved engine over the old 912,
a lot has been updated, not just the displacement. I wonder if someone
were to buy the 914 would be getting the old engine with a turbo on it ? If
so that would not be the best deal.
I like to go high, and thought about the turbo, but with all the extra
weight, complexity, maintenance, etc. etc. I quickly ruled that out as an
option. A Kolb with a 912 S on it has so much power, im sure it will go as
high as I want it to without the turbo.
Michael Bigelow
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| Subject: | Re: 914 turbo + 912uls=how much power |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|I wonder if someone
| were to buy the 914 would be getting the old engine with a turbo on
it ?
| Michael Bigelow
Michael B/Gang:
The 914 is based on the 912UL engine. No change to basic 912UL. Only
difference between 912UL and 914 is the addition of turbo and
supporting hardware.
The 912ULS is the result of user testing for many years. As of
January 2000, it was the result of 7,000 912 engines and 13 years user
testing. It is a huskier cleaned up 912 with more displacement and
compression. The 912 was a great engine. I put 1135 hour on mine
before I got a chance to trade it for a 912ULS. Had no problems with
the 912. It was 20% more economical that the 912ULS, ran a lot
cooler, and both are equally reliable. My new 912ULS now has 1,098.1
hours on it. Runs as good as new.
john h
MKIII/912ULS
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| Subject: | Re: Downwind turns & Lar bashing! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
You, too ?? Migawd ! ! ! :-) Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Sharp" <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns & Lar bashing!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Michael Sharp <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
>
> Can we wait that long???
>
> How is ole Vamoose Coming lar?????
>
> Mike
> Mark III Classic
> Oklahoma...
> about where Lar is and started the same time... :-(
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Downwind turns |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Nope. I'll be good, Bob......goodness me - you're startin' to sound like
ol' Beauford. :-) Shouldn'ta said nothin' this morning, either.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob N." <a58r@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <a58r@verizon.net>
>
> AAARRGGGH! While we recently escaped the Super-Silly Seafom debacle,
> must we again infect Kolb-list with a hawser (great big buncha
> threads) of the Dreaded Downwind Turn encircling our scrawny necks?
>
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| Subject: | Monument Valley 2006 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Hello All,
I have been looking into the 2006 flying season and need to know if there is
any interest in another Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley.
It looks like 19-21 May should be the proper time to get together at
Monument Valley.
23-24 May would also be a good time to gather on the floor of the Alvord
Desert again if anyone is interested.
I am planning on being at both places then on out to the Oregon coast, then
fly south along the California coast before coming back home.
If I have missed anyone in the address line, please pass this information on
to them and as always, invite whoever you would like to gather with us.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 1006 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
kolbrapilot2@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Downwind turns |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
heh, so the downwind turn thingy has been on here too... I bet this thread
has gone around on every aviation related newsgroup/mailing list in
existence.
I've done my time on it, tho, so no more "downwind demon" for me ;)
LS
N646F
Do Not Archive
>AAARRGGGH! While we recently escaped the Super-Silly Seafom debacle,
>must we again infect Kolb-list with a hawser (great big buncha
>threads) of the Dreaded Downwind Turn encircling our scrawny necks?
>
>Pls note: add. changed to a58r@verizon...and sorry I did!
>
>pls do not archive
>
>
>Bob N.
>http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
>
>
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| Subject: | Last Flight 2005 - Texas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
whoa... great bunch of pics John!
Next time you're in TX, come up to Lockhart (50R),where my FS II is hangared
at so I can shake your hand and look at your plane...
LS
N646F
do not archive
>From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: Last Flight 2005 - Texas
>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:59:03 -0600
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>Morning Gang:
>
>Had a good flight out to Texas to spend time flying with friends.
>Departed my airstrip, Gantt International Airport, 1000, 1 Dec 05.
>Dropped in on Paul Petty's in-laws, Harris Field, MS, for coffee and
>lunch. Next stop was John Bickham's new airstrip, Nauga Field, St
>Francisville, LA. John and his wife graciously put me up for the
>night after feeding me the best red beans and rice, and country
>sausage, I have ever eaten. In the process got to make the first
>landing and take off from John's airstrip.
>
>Next stop was Beaumont, TX. Didn't take long to fly there from St
>Francisville, LA. My ground speed was 115 mph. Airspeed was 85 mph.
>Would have been difficult to determine airspeed without my trusty
>Winter ASI. Don't know what my AOA was. ;-)
>
>Got on the ground and found my three friends had already arrived.
>John W on the left, Ken K middle, and Gary H, on the right:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3146_resize.JPG
>
>After lunch at Sonic we took off and headed for Port Authur, TX, the
>Texas/Louisiana State Line and the Gulf of Mexico. Here's John W and
>his Kolbra heading south on the Texas beach:
>
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3145_resize.JPG
>
>Doing what we do best, low level down the beach from Louisiana to the
>Mexican Border. Shot of Gary H in his MKIII:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3149_resize.JPG
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3150_resize.JPG
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3153_resize.JPG
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3155_resize.JPG
>
>John W's Kolbra:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3157_resize.JPG
>
>John W's Kolbra and Ken K's Titan:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3164_resize.JPG
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3165_resize.JPG
>
>John W and Ken K leading Miss P'fer:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3174_resize.JPG
>
>The rest of the flight. All aircraft powered with the 912ULS. Might
>add, we had nary a problem aircraft or power-wise:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3177_resize.JPG
>
>Gary H and John W:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3182_resize.JPG
>
>The flight has to gain a little altitude and shift to maintain
>clearance with beach traffic:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3187_resize.JPG
>
>Good time was being had by all:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3193_resize.JPG
>
>Gary H approaches an old steel light house:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3195_resize.JPG
>
>John H gets a quick snapshot of the old steel light house on the fly:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3196_resize.JPG
>
>Shrimp boat ship wrecked on the beach:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3197_resize.JPG
>
>Made it down to Mustang Beach near Corpus Christi to RON. After a
>great steak dinner in the Yacht Club next to the air port, we sacked
>out on the floor of the FBO.
>
>Next morning after a short walk to the local convenience store for
>coffee and donuts, we were off to continue our flight down the beach.
>Here's Gary H leading the way:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3201_resize.JPG
>
>Perfect morning to be flying the beach, except we had a strong
>headwind. Air was smooth as silk coming off the water:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3202_resize.JPG
>
>This leg turned out to be 3.5 hours from Mustang Beach to McAllen, TX.
>Here are the guys just after we turned west up the Rio Grande River.
>That's Mexico on the other side. Gary called Brownsville Tower to get
>permission to fly through their airspace south of the field:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3203_resize.JPG
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3204_resize.JPG
>
>We landed at Del Rio, TX. Last time I landed here was on the way to
>Alaska in 1994. Put up our tents and headed out walking to town for
>dinner. Found a local Mexican Resturant (really a locals place to
>eat) and had some excellent Mexican food. On the way back to the
>airport, stopped off at Dairy Queen for some ice cream to simmer in
>the recent Mexican dinner. It was still early when we got back to the
>airport, so we sat around and reminiced about the days flying:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3209_resize.JPG
>
>Next morning, Sunday, 4 Dec 05, we took off, headed west to the Rio
>Grande. Flew up stream until we came to the Pecos River. Turned
>right up the Pecos for a good ways, then headed for Sonora, TX:
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3210_resize.JPG
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3213_resize.JPG
>
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3214_resize.JPG
>
>After a good Texas Sunday lunch buffet, our group split up. John W
>and Ken K headed for Arlington, TX. Gary H and I headed for Houston
>and his airstrip at Dry Creek. We made one quick op stop at Austin.
>The weather started turning cold and overcast. Up until this point we
>had been blessed with beautiful warm weather.
>
>Gary H and his wife feed me some Texas chilli and put me to bed. Next
>morning I was off for Alabama at 0830, 5 Dec. Got fuel in Natchez,
>MS. Didn't take time to eat lunch. If I had, I would not have been
>able to make Gantt IAP before dark. The weather was really cold now,
>35 to 40F. After my fuel stop I was also sitting in the shade of the
>wing for the remainder of the flight back to Alabama. Had the Chilli
>Vest (12VDC) on WOT and still had cold feet and hands, despite wool
>socks and boots, and gloves. First time I had the thermostat on the
>jacket WOT and still colder than I ever got on two previous trips with
>the Chilli Vest to Alaska. However, I was dressed appropriately for
>the Alaska flights, and this flight I lacked some essential clothing.
>
>Flew five days straight.
>
>2,429.6 sm.
>
>Average ground speed was 82.5 mph.
>
>Max ground speed was 124 mph.
>
>Burned 166.0 gal fuel at 5.4 gph. Might add Gary H and I both pushed
>our 912ULS's to keep up with the Kolbra and Titan. I flew 5,200 rpm
>most of the time, yielding 90 mph cruise.
>
>Was a great flight. We all had fun flying and visiting.
>
>Now it is time to get back to my chores. Won't be another good flight
>until next Spring.
>
>john h
>MKIII/912ULS
>Titus, Alabama
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2006 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I'll be there. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <WillUribe@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have been looking into the 2006 flying season and need to know if there
> is
> any interest in another Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley.
>
> It looks like 19-21 May should be the proper time to get together at
> Monument Valley.
>
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| Subject: | Monument Valley 2006 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
Hey John,
I'm new to the list, but am getting the impression that this is a
regular/yearly thing for kolbers? Do you fly up there or do you trailer? I'd
love to go, though with just my firestar II, I might be better off
trailering up there and kicking around the area ;)...
Also, I can't seem to access any of the links on your site, they all give me
"page not found".
Thanks,
LS
N646F
Do Not Archive
>From: WillUribe@aol.com
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006
>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:42:23 EST
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>
>Hello All,
>
>I have been looking into the 2006 flying season and need to know if there
>is
>any interest in another Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley.
>
>It looks like 19-21 May should be the proper time to get together at
>Monument Valley.
>
>23-24 May would also be a good time to gather on the floor of the Alvord
>Desert again if anyone is interested.
>
>I am planning on being at both places then on out to the Oregon coast,
>then
>fly south along the California coast before coming back home.
>
>If I have missed anyone in the address line, please pass this information
>on
>to them and as always, invite whoever you would like to gather with us.
>
>
>John Williamson
>Arlington, TX
>
>Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 1006 hours
>http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
>kolbrapilot2@comcast.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Monument Valley 2006 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
LS,
I had the same problem because I am using Firefox web browser. If you are
using something other than IE, you may try it and see if it works. I now
know to just open IE to go to John's web pages. Good Luck.
P.S. Wish I could make Monument Valley.....maybe in 2007.
John Cooley
Do not archive
Also, I can't seem to access any of the links on your site, they all give me
"page not found".
Thanks,
LS
N646F
Do Not Archive
>From: WillUribe@aol.com
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006
>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:42:23 EST
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>
>Hello All,
>
>I have been looking into the 2006 flying season and need to know if there
>is
>any interest in another Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley.
>
>It looks like 19-21 May should be the proper time to get together at
>Monument Valley.
>
>23-24 May would also be a good time to gather on the floor of the Alvord
>Desert again if anyone is interested.
>
>I am planning on being at both places then on out to the Oregon coast,
>then
>fly south along the California coast before coming back home.
>
>If I have missed anyone in the address line, please pass this information
>on
>to them and as always, invite whoever you would like to gather with us.
>
>
>John Williamson
>Arlington, TX
>
>Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 1006 hours
>http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
>kolbrapilot2@comcast.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2006 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| regular/yearly thing for kolbers? Do you fly up there or do you
trailer? I'd
| love to go, though with just my firestar II, I might be better off
| trailering up there and kicking around the area ;)...
|
| Also, I can't seem to access any of the links on your site, they all
give me
| "page not found".
|
| Thanks,
| LS
| N646F
|
| Do Not Archive
|
| >From: WillUribe@aol.com
| >Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
| >To: kolb-list@matronics.com
| >Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006
| >Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:42:23 EST
| >
| >--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
| >
| >Hello All,
| >
| >I have been looking into the 2006 flying season and need to know
if there
| >is
| >any interest in another Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley.
| >
| >It looks like 19-21 May should be the proper time to get together
at
| >Monument Valley.
| >
| >23-24 May would also be a good time to gather on the floor of the
Alvord
| >Desert again if anyone is interested.
| >
| >I am planning on being at both places then on out to the Oregon
coast,
| >then
| >fly south along the California coast before coming back home.
| >
| >If I have missed anyone in the address line, please pass this
information
| >on
| >to them and as always, invite whoever you would like to gather
with us.
| >
| >
| >John Williamson
| >Arlington, TX
| >
| >Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 1006 hours
| >http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
| >kolbrapilot2@comcast.net
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2006 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| regular/yearly thing for kolbers?
Yep, we do it every year. Started the first Unplanned/Unorganized
Kolb Flyin three years ago. The 2006 MV Flyin will be number 4.
"Do you fly up there or do you trailer?"
I never trailer. Some folks do trailer in.
Come any way you desire. This is a very informal get together of some
great folks, not including me. ;-)
| Also, I can't seem to access any of the links on your site, they all
give me
| "page not found".
Don't know what to tell you about the links. They work for me.
john h
MKIII/912ULS
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2006 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
Lar
Last year you promised in front of a bunch of us that next year you would
have you plane there at Monument Valley. Is it going to happen? I'm not
asking about a static display.
Do not archive we may want to archive his response
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> I'll be there. Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <WillUribe@aol.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have been looking into the 2006 flying season and need to know if
>> there
>> is
>> any interest in another Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley.
>>
>> It looks like 19-21 May should be the proper time to get together at
>> Monument Valley.
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
John,
I wonder how ,or if it changed the flight characteristics top speed etc
Ed (in Houston).
In a message dated 12/4/2005 9:32:54 A.M. Central
Standard Time, jrjungjr@yahoo.com writes:
Group,
Yesterday, I flew for the first time after raising the engine up a full
inch, leaving a 2 inch gap between the prop tip and the boom tube. It
was noticeably quieter, than with only 1 inch of clearance.
John Jung
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2006 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
How can you archive it when you can't even print it ?? :-) #%$
*#
! ! !
"Vamoose is almost done. This year for sure."
Did I read that somewhere ?? Once or twice ?? Lar.
Do not Archive.............this time.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
> <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
>
> Lar
>
> Last year you promised in front of a bunch of us that next year you would
> have you plane there at Monument Valley. Is it going to happen? I'm not
> asking about a static display.
>
> Do not archive we may want to archive his response
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 12/4/2005 10:09:09 A.M. Central Standard Time,
gittj@earthlink.net writes:
Trailer is fine but you need two people and it is a pain and some times
hard to find that other person to help out . Aviation needs to make a
nother step forward, in a new designe . Kolb is a great little plane i
really enjoy mine but it sure would be nice to drive it home ,not paying hanger
rent and work on it when i had time at home . For what it's worth! {
Dreamer } Larry
Larry,
I have never had anyone to help me with my Firefly folding. Care must
be taken but it can be done by yourself if its not to windy and you make a few
fixtures to protect the ends of the wings.
Ed
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