---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/08/05: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:27 AM - Re: lift reserve indicator (pat ladd) 2. 01:42 AM - Re: Downwind turns (pat ladd) 3. 01:53 AM - Re: Flying without instruments (David L. Bigelow) 4. 05:41 AM - Re: John W's Texas Flight Report (John Hauck) 5. 06:58 AM - Last Flight 2005 - Texas (John Hauck) 6. 07:30 AM - Kolbra info (lucien stavenhagen) 7. 07:31 AM - Re: Home Made AOA Meter (JIM HEFNER) 8. 07:49 AM - Re: Downwind turns (Larry Bourne) 9. 08:12 AM - Re: Downwind turns (bryan green) 10. 08:24 AM - Re: Downwind turns & Lar bashing! (Michael Sharp) 11. 08:53 AM - Re: John W's Texas Flight Report (pat ladd) 12. 08:53 AM - Re: Downwind turns (pat ladd) 13. 08:54 AM - 914 turbo + 912uls=how much power (Christopher Armstrong) 14. 11:14 AM - Re: Kolbra info (Mitty) 15. 11:47 AM - Re: 914 turbo + 912uls=how much power (John Hauck) 16. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Downwind turns (Bob N.) 17. 12:59 PM - Re: Special Kolb Christmas Message (DCulver701@aol.com) 18. 01:41 PM - Building (Paul Petty) 19. 03:02 PM - Kolb vs. Titan, Airaile (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL) 20. 04:06 PM - 914 turbo + 912uls=how much power (Michael Bigelow) 21. 04:19 PM - Re: 914 turbo + 912uls=how much power (John Hauck) 22. 04:43 PM - Re: Downwind turns & Lar bashing! (Larry Bourne) 23. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: Downwind turns (Larry Bourne) 24. 05:42 PM - Monument Valley 2006 (WillUribe@aol.com) 25. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: Downwind turns (lucien stavenhagen) 26. 06:46 PM - Re: Last Flight 2005 - Texas (lucien stavenhagen) 27. 06:46 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2006 (Larry Bourne) 28. 07:32 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2006 (lucien stavenhagen) 29. 07:55 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2006 (John Cooley) 30. 08:04 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2006 (John Hauck) 31. 08:11 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2006 (John Hauck) 32. 08:20 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2006 (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 33. 08:47 PM - Re: Prop noise (DAquaNut@AOL.COM) 34. 08:50 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2006 (Larry Bourne) 35. 08:54 PM - Re: Hanger (DAquaNut@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:59 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: lift reserve indicator --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" A very good instrument but a little expensive. Kolbers being do it yourselfers can devise something to yield similar info.>> Hi, wouldn`t one of the ose dinky little wind indicators dinghy sailors use on the top of their masts work fitted horizontally instead of vertically?. The bearing is the wrong way but the weight is very little. On the other hand I always found a piece of ribbon tied to the stays was just as good and easier to see. Cheers Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:03 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" downwind turn close to the ground,without an airspeed indicator.>> Hi All, I can see this heading for the old arguement about airspeed decreasing as you turn down wind and I won`t go there, it has been done to death but I will make the point that if you are turning while low you are also flying into the area where the windspeed decreases because of its proximity to the ground. Remember `wind gradient` from those early lessons? Taking the extreme case. Iif you are flying (foolishly) only 5knots above the stall and the wind drops by 5 knots. Thats it. Kaput! With no height to recover. In stronger winds the gradient may drop by 10 or more. Cheers Pat -- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:06 AM PST US From: "David L. Bigelow" Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Flying without instruments --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" At the risk of beating this thread to death....... There's no doubt that a good angle of attack instrument is the best speed instrument available. Unfortunately, it's not practical for an ultralight (or any other a/c) unless it is amplified. You just can't see the difference between 10 and 12 degrees on a vane, and that's roughly where you will be flying on approach. Only aircraft I've ever flown without an airspeed indicator is hang gliders. Being completely exposed to the breeze, and able to hear every nuance of sound makes it easy to control airspeed. Also, hang gliders have a very positive hands off trim point, and it takes a fair amount of forward pressure on the control bar (think back stick) to stall one. Put yourself in a very noisy cockpit sheltered from the wind in an airplane with light stick forces, and it becomes very difficult to control airspeed precisely without an instrument reference. If I had to choose only one instrument, it would be the airspeed indicator. It's not a bad idea to practice stabilized approaches without looking at the airspeed indicator just in case you ever lose it, but as regular thing - good way to bust your rear. Dave Bigelow Kamuela, Hawaii FS2, DCDI 503 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:26 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: John W's Texas Flight Report --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | I live in Dallas and would love to go on an adventure with you | | David Key David K/Others: John W does no longer monitor the Kolb List. john h MKIII/912ULS Titus, Alabama DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:42 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Last Flight 2005 - Texas --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Morning Gang: Had a good flight out to Texas to spend time flying with friends. Departed my airstrip, Gantt International Airport, 1000, 1 Dec 05. Dropped in on Paul Petty's in-laws, Harris Field, MS, for coffee and lunch. Next stop was John Bickham's new airstrip, Nauga Field, St Francisville, LA. John and his wife graciously put me up for the night after feeding me the best red beans and rice, and country sausage, I have ever eaten. In the process got to make the first landing and take off from John's airstrip. Next stop was Beaumont, TX. Didn't take long to fly there from St Francisville, LA. My ground speed was 115 mph. Airspeed was 85 mph. Would have been difficult to determine airspeed without my trusty Winter ASI. Don't know what my AOA was. ;-) Got on the ground and found my three friends had already arrived. John W on the left, Ken K middle, and Gary H, on the right: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3146_resize.JPG After lunch at Sonic we took off and headed for Port Authur, TX, the Texas/Louisiana State Line and the Gulf of Mexico. Here's John W and his Kolbra heading south on the Texas beach: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3145_resize.JPG Doing what we do best, low level down the beach from Louisiana to the Mexican Border. Shot of Gary H in his MKIII: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3149_resize.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3150_resize.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3153_resize.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3155_resize.JPG John W's Kolbra: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3157_resize.JPG John W's Kolbra and Ken K's Titan: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3164_resize.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3165_resize.JPG John W and Ken K leading Miss P'fer: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3174_resize.JPG The rest of the flight. All aircraft powered with the 912ULS. Might add, we had nary a problem aircraft or power-wise: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3177_resize.JPG Gary H and John W: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3182_resize.JPG The flight has to gain a little altitude and shift to maintain clearance with beach traffic: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3187_resize.JPG Good time was being had by all: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3193_resize.JPG Gary H approaches an old steel light house: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3195_resize.JPG John H gets a quick snapshot of the old steel light house on the fly: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3196_resize.JPG Shrimp boat ship wrecked on the beach: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3197_resize.JPG Made it down to Mustang Beach near Corpus Christi to RON. After a great steak dinner in the Yacht Club next to the air port, we sacked out on the floor of the FBO. Next morning after a short walk to the local convenience store for coffee and donuts, we were off to continue our flight down the beach. Here's Gary H leading the way: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3201_resize.JPG Perfect morning to be flying the beach, except we had a strong headwind. Air was smooth as silk coming off the water: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3202_resize.JPG This leg turned out to be 3.5 hours from Mustang Beach to McAllen, TX. Here are the guys just after we turned west up the Rio Grande River. That's Mexico on the other side. Gary called Brownsville Tower to get permission to fly through their airspace south of the field: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3203_resize.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3204_resize.JPG We landed at Del Rio, TX. Last time I landed here was on the way to Alaska in 1994. Put up our tents and headed out walking to town for dinner. Found a local Mexican Resturant (really a locals place to eat) and had some excellent Mexican food. On the way back to the airport, stopped off at Dairy Queen for some ice cream to simmer in the recent Mexican dinner. It was still early when we got back to the airport, so we sat around and reminiced about the days flying: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3209_resize.JPG Next morning, Sunday, 4 Dec 05, we took off, headed west to the Rio Grande. Flew up stream until we came to the Pecos River. Turned right up the Pecos for a good ways, then headed for Sonora, TX: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3210_resize.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3213_resize.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3214_resize.JPG After a good Texas Sunday lunch buffet, our group split up. John W and Ken K headed for Arlington, TX. Gary H and I headed for Houston and his airstrip at Dry Creek. We made one quick op stop at Austin. The weather started turning cold and overcast. Up until this point we had been blessed with beautiful warm weather. Gary H and his wife feed me some Texas chilli and put me to bed. Next morning I was off for Alabama at 0830, 5 Dec. Got fuel in Natchez, MS. Didn't take time to eat lunch. If I had, I would not have been able to make Gantt IAP before dark. The weather was really cold now, 35 to 40F. After my fuel stop I was also sitting in the shade of the wing for the remainder of the flight back to Alabama. Had the Chilli Vest (12VDC) on WOT and still had cold feet and hands, despite wool socks and boots, and gloves. First time I had the thermostat on the jacket WOT and still colder than I ever got on two previous trips with the Chilli Vest to Alaska. However, I was dressed appropriately for the Alaska flights, and this flight I lacked some essential clothing. Flew five days straight. 2,429.6 sm. Average ground speed was 82.5 mph. Max ground speed was 124 mph. Burned 166.0 gal fuel at 5.4 gph. Might add Gary H and I both pushed our 912ULS's to keep up with the Kolbra and Titan. I flew 5,200 rpm most of the time, yielding 90 mph cruise. Was a great flight. We all had fun flying and visiting. Now it is time to get back to my chores. Won't be another good flight until next Spring. john h MKIII/912ULS Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:14 AM PST US From: "lucien stavenhagen" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolbra info --> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen" Hi all, Not to take away from the airspeed/AOA thread, but.... ;) Are there any Kolbra builders/flyers on the list? The Kolbra is one of the planes I'm considering for my next plane, but I've searched up and down the internet in vain for detailed photos, info and etc (does Kolb make this plane anymore?)... In fact the Kolbra looks like just the ticket for my #1 airplane requirement (good view) because of the tandem seating...... I'd be interested to hear about it from other Kolbra owners/builders/flyers... Thanks, LS N646F ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:25 AM PST US From: "JIM HEFNER" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Home Made AOA Meter --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JIM HEFNER" Jack, folks, This is exactly the setup my friend has implemented on his Zenith 701... this was a big topic of discussion on the Zenith thread not all that long ago, so he decided to implement on his plane and it is slick!! Having this instrument in the dash where it is readily visible during landing is great. Looking off to the side during landing is not a good thing, as Lucien indicated. Planes, including ultralights, that are in the business of towing gliders pretty much all use AOA meters of some sort, including strings out in the airstream, with a reference marker for stall AOA. For us casual Kolb fliers, I don't think this is an essential instrument, but if you are pushing the envelope with your Kolb, you might want to consider this. BB, I don't think I would go as far as saying this is more useful than a VSI, at least for my usage. I put a VSI in my FF early on and find myself using it a lot during flight... I have an adjustable trim tab, so it's nice to know I'm flying level while I'm trimming the plane out. Also on longer flights I find myself climbing or descending slightly when I didn't intend to... The LRI or AOA indicator would probably not get used near as much as my VSI. The FF with full flaps and ASI 50 lands great every time, so I'm not looking for more precision than that and I don't push the envelope with 90 degree banked turns at low altitude, so I doubt if this instrument would be all that useful to me. With folding the wings each time I fly, it would be tough to implement the LRI in the dash, with sender unit out under the wing, without a veryy long feeder tube fed through the rear wing mount/universal joint area, fed forward to the mounting location under the wing chord. Bottom line is, this started out as a technical discussion about ASI being the all truthful instrument, but it is not in all circumstances, where the AOA/LRI indicator is always valid. From a practical point of view, I think it is a neat concept, but I won't be implementing one on my FF anytime soon. Jim Hefner Tucson, AZ FF #022 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" > At 12:41 PM 12/7/05 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" > > >Look here for the "homemade" version of the high dollar "Lift reserve >indicator". > Jeremy, This is great. One can get a little better printout from: http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/aoa.htm and the drawing prints out well from: http://www.ch601.org/resources/aoa/print/angleattack.jpg I changed the subject line. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:43 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" This one's been beaten pretty good, too, Pat. Wind speed has no bearing on your Air Speed, since you're flying in that moving column, but it most definitely has an effect on your Ground Speed. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" > > downwind turn close to the ground,without an airspeed indicator.>> > > Hi All, > I can see this heading for the old arguement about airspeed decreasing as > you turn down wind and I won`t go there, it has been done to death but I > will make the point that if you are turning while low you are also flying > into the area where the windspeed decreases because of its proximity to > the > ground. Remember `wind gradient` from those early lessons? > Taking the extreme case. Iif you are flying (foolishly) only 5knots above > the stall and the wind drops by 5 knots. Thats it. Kaput! With no height > to > recover. > In stronger winds the gradient may drop by 10 or more. > > Cheers > > Pat > > > -- > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:07 AM PST US From: bryan green Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green Hi Lar, if you believe this one do an experiment. Next time you turn into the wind to do a run up with say a 15 kt wind (and gusty would be better) note the reading on your asi and also watch it bounce. Bryan Green Elgin SC Larry Bourne wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > >This one's been beaten pretty good, too, Pat. Wind speed has no bearing on >your Air Speed, since you're flying in that moving column, but it most >definitely has an effect on your Ground Speed. Lar. >Do not Archive. > >Larry Bourne >Palm Springs, CA >Building Kolb Mk III >N78LB Vamoose >www.gogittum.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "pat ladd" >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns > > > > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" >> >>downwind turn close to the ground,without an airspeed indicator.>> >> >>Hi All, >>I can see this heading for the old arguement about airspeed decreasing as >>you turn down wind and I won`t go there, it has been done to death but I >>will make the point that if you are turning while low you are also flying >>into the area where the windspeed decreases because of its proximity to >>the >>ground. Remember `wind gradient` from those early lessons? >>Taking the extreme case. Iif you are flying (foolishly) only 5knots above >>the stall and the wind drops by 5 knots. Thats it. Kaput! With no height >>to >>recover. >>In stronger winds the gradient may drop by 10 or more. >> >>Cheers >> >>Pat >> >> >>-- >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:36 AM PST US From: Michael Sharp Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns & Lar bashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Michael Sharp Can we wait that long??? How is ole Vamoose Coming lar????? Mike Mark III Classic Oklahoma... about where Lar is and started the same time... :-( Do Not Archive bryan green wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green Hi Lar, if you believe this one do an experiment. Next time you turn into the wind to do a run up with say a 15 kt wind (and gusty would be better) note the reading on your asi and also watch it bounce. Bryan Green Elgin SC Larry Bourne wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > >This one's been beaten pretty good, too, Pat. Wind speed has no bearing on >your Air Speed, since you're flying in that moving column, but it most >definitely has an effect on your Ground Speed. Lar. >Do not Archive. > >Larry Bourne >Palm Springs, CA >Building Kolb Mk III >N78LB Vamoose >www.gogittum.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "pat ladd" >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns > > > > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" >> >>downwind turn close to the ground,without an airspeed indicator.>> >> >>Hi All, >>I can see this heading for the old arguement about airspeed decreasing as >>you turn down wind and I won`t go there, it has been done to death but I >>will make the point that if you are turning while low you are also flying >>into the area where the windspeed decreases because of its proximity to >>the >>ground. Remember `wind gradient` from those early lessons? >>Taking the extreme case. Iif you are flying (foolishly) only 5knots above >>the stall and the wind drops by 5 knots. Thats it. Kaput! With no height >>to >>recover. >>In stronger winds the gradient may drop by 10 or more. >> >>Cheers >> >>Pat >> >> >>-- >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:24 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: John W's Texas Flight Report --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" Awesome flights John. Thanks for sharing with us. Don`t you have some big empty spaces to fly over, lucky you. Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:24 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" Wind speed has no bearing on your Air Speed, since you're flying in that moving column,>> Right Lar, I said I could see this one coming, which is why I carefully did not comment. Care for a side bet that the list can`t leave it alone? Cheers Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:25 AM PST US From: "Christopher Armstrong" Subject: Kolb-List: 914 turbo + 912uls=how much power --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" HI experts, I have been looking at the specs of the Rota flat 4's and was wondering something. The 912 makes 80 hp at 5500 rpm with a Bore: 79.5 mm Stroke: 61 mm. Displacement: 1211 cu.cm (Compression: 9:1 Engine Weight: ~135 lbs The 912ULS makes 95 hp at 5500 rpm continuous (100hp at 5800 5 min max) with a Bore: 84mm Stroke: 61 mm. Displacement: 1352 cu.cm Compression: 9:1 Engine Weight: ~140 lbs The 914 UL2 makes 100 hp at 5500 rpm continuous (115 hp at 5800 5 min max) with a Bore: 79.5 Stroke: 61 mm. Displacement: 1211 cu.cm (Compression: 9:1 Engine Weight: ~167 lbs So if you add a similar sized turbo to a 912s what kinda power will you get? 912 goes from 80 to 100 (115 takeoff) so would a 912s go from 95 to 115 with 130 takeoff. At a weight of around 170 pounds that would be a decent engine. Add fuel injection while your at it and you have a real engine! Topher ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:48 AM PST US From: Mitty Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolbra info --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mitty Paul P. builds one.He got ton of detailed pics and info.He's a member of this list do not archive --- lucien stavenhagen wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien > stavenhagen" > > Hi all, > > Not to take away from the airspeed/AOA thread, > but.... ;) > > Are there any Kolbra builders/flyers on the list? > The Kolbra is one of the > planes I'm considering for my next plane, but I've > searched up and down the > internet in vain for detailed photos, info and etc > (does Kolb make this > plane anymore?)... > > In fact the Kolbra looks like just the ticket for my > #1 airplane requirement > (good view) because of the tandem seating...... I'd > be interested to hear > about it from other Kolbra owners/builders/flyers... > > Thanks, > LS > N646F > > > > Click on > about > provided > www.buildersbooks.com, > Admin. > _-> > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~mr_d/index.html ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:43 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 914 turbo + 912uls=how much power --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi Topher/Gang: Not an expert, by any means. I get my info off the Kodiak web page. | The 912 makes 80 hp at 5500 rpm with a Bore: 79.5 mm Stroke: 61 mm. | Displacement: 1211 cu.cm (Compression: 9:1 Engine Weight: ~135 lbs 912UL makes 79 hp max continuous at 5,500 and 81 hp for 5 min max at 5,800 rpm. Engine w/gear box (an integral part of the engine) weighs 121.3 lbs. You can go to this page to add up accessory weight and add it to engine weight for all up flyable weight. Max torque is at 4,800. http://www.kodiakbs.com/4intro.htm | The 912ULS makes 95 hp at 5500 rpm continuous (100hp at 5800 5 min max) with | a Bore: 84mm Stroke: 61 mm. Displacement: 1352 cu.cm Compression: 9:1 Engine | Weight: ~140 lbs 912ULS makes 95 max continuous at 5,500 and 100 hp at 5,800 rpm for 5 min max. Compression ration is 10.5 to 1, rather than 9.5 to 1 on the 912ULS. Eng w/gearbox weight is 124.8, not including accessories. | The 914 UL2 makes 100 hp at 5500 rpm continuous (115 hp at 5800 5 min max) | with a Bore: 79.5 Stroke: 61 mm. Displacement: 1211 cu.cm (Compression: 9:1 | Engine Weight: ~167 lbs | So if you add a similar sized turbo to a 912s what kinda power will you get? I can't answer that question. However, I, as well as John W, have discovered we do not need a turbo to get more power from the 912ULS, even at altitudes up to 15,000 feet. | 912 goes from 80 to 100 (115 takeoff) so would a 912s go from 95 to 115 with | 130 takeoff. Don't know that either. At a weight of around 170 pounds that would be a decent | engine. Add fuel injection while your at it and you have a real engine! For those of us with some "decent" hours flying with the 912UL and the 912ULS, we "know" we have a great engine. Would be extremely nice to have fuel inject, and I believe that we will see this improvement soon. BTW my max continuous cruise with the 912ULS is 95 hp @ 5,500 rpm, compared to 100 hp on the 914 at same rpm. The degradation of power at altitude has not presented a problem to those that fly regularly over the Rockies, and other mountain ranges. Take care, john h MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:41 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." AAARRGGGH! While we recently escaped the Super-Silly Seafom debacle, must we again infect Kolb-list with a hawser (great big buncha threads) of the Dreaded Downwind Turn encircling our scrawny necks? Pls note: add. changed to a58r@verizon...and sorry I did! pls do not archive Bob N. http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:55 PM PST US From: DCulver701@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Special Kolb Christmas Message --> Kolb-List message posted by: DCulver701@aol.com Enjoyed the picture, thanks. Best regards, Dave Culver Do not archive! ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:05 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Building required 4.6, BAYES_44 -0.00, HTML_60_70 0.11, HTML_MESSAGE 0.25) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Kolbers, 27 months ago I didn't even know what a "Hot box" was. Today I'm holding one in my hand and reading the instructions!! This is really starting to be fun!!!! Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp www.c-gate.net/~ppetty I.L.D.S. do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:37 PM PST US From: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb vs. Titan, Airaile --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL Mike Deegan wrote: << Could anyone contrast and compare the M3X with the Titan II and the RANS S-12 Airaile? I prefer the looks of the Kolb to either of these and the wing folding feature is good, but the taildragger aspect worries me a bit... Thanks. >> Hi, Mike - Welcome to the List! You'll discover a wealth of info from the members here. Before I purchased my Mark-III kit, I visited Randy Schlitter's RANS factory in Hays, Kansas and flew with him in his 912-powered S-12 demonstrator. Nice plane, but I preferred the taildragger aspect of our Kolbs. The RANS kits have "prettier" hardware (like the brackets, rudder pedals, control horns, bellcranks, handles, etc.), which may suggest quality parts and good attention to details. Flies just like you'd expect a nosewheel Mark-3 to behave - very easy to fly. Construction is similar to a Kolb (aluminum tube & fabric). I think the S-12 is about 10 mph faster than a similarly-equipped Mark-III, because it is a bit more aerodynamically clean. But it's not as STOL-capable as the Mark-III, which is another feature I prefer on the Kolb. Everything is a tradeoff. The mild taildragger manners of a Kolb make 'em easy to master - not like many other tailwheel airplanes that are squirrly or difficult to control. But regardless of all those niceties on the RANS, my choice was more influenced by the wing-fold and transportability ease of our Kolbs, the robust quality of the Kolb kits, and the structural crashworthiness (read SAFETY) inherent in the Kolb design. And, Kolb Factory support is without doubt the best in the business! (see my List post of 6 Dec 05). I have no experience with the Titan, other than I know they are all metal and are a helluva lot faster than a Kolb on the same power. But again, the tradeoff is: it is way less STOL than a Kolb. (John Williamson's flying buddy Ken just finished a Tornado - maybe John can offer some direct comparisons with a Kolbra!) Pick the Mark-III. I love mine - no regrets that I didn't purchase something else. Dennis Kirby s/n M3-300, 1996 model, 912ul, 37.7 hrs total time, in Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:39 PM PST US From: "Michael Bigelow" Subject: Kolb-List: 914 turbo + 912uls=how much power --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Michael Bigelow" "Would be extremely nice to have fuel inject, and I believe that we will see this improvement soon. john h MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama " The 912 is a great engine, I just ordered one for my MK-III :) Fuel injection would make a great engine even better, but If they release a 912 with fuel injection just after I bought mine im going to be pissed ! Has anyone heard if fuel injection is definately comming and any ideas when ???? I have been told that the 912 S is a much improved engine over the old 912, a lot has been updated, not just the displacement. I wonder if someone were to buy the 914 would be getting the old engine with a turbo on it ? If so that would not be the best deal. I like to go high, and thought about the turbo, but with all the extra weight, complexity, maintenance, etc. etc. I quickly ruled that out as an option. A Kolb with a 912 S on it has so much power, im sure it will go as high as I want it to without the turbo. Michael Bigelow Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:53 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 914 turbo + 912uls=how much power --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" |I wonder if someone | were to buy the 914 would be getting the old engine with a turbo on it ? | Michael Bigelow Michael B/Gang: The 914 is based on the 912UL engine. No change to basic 912UL. Only difference between 912UL and 914 is the addition of turbo and supporting hardware. The 912ULS is the result of user testing for many years. As of January 2000, it was the result of 7,000 912 engines and 13 years user testing. It is a huskier cleaned up 912 with more displacement and compression. The 912 was a great engine. I put 1135 hour on mine before I got a chance to trade it for a 912ULS. Had no problems with the 912. It was 20% more economical that the 912ULS, ran a lot cooler, and both are equally reliable. My new 912ULS now has 1,098.1 hours on it. Runs as good as new. john h MKIII/912ULS ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:42 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns & Lar bashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" You, too ?? Migawd ! ! ! :-) Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Sharp" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns & Lar bashing! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Michael Sharp > > Can we wait that long??? > > How is ole Vamoose Coming lar????? > > Mike > Mark III Classic > Oklahoma... > about where Lar is and started the same time... :-( > > Do Not Archive > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:51 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Nope. I'll be good, Bob......goodness me - you're startin' to sound like ol' Beauford. :-) Shouldn'ta said nothin' this morning, either. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." > > AAARRGGGH! While we recently escaped the Super-Silly Seafom debacle, > must we again infect Kolb-list with a hawser (great big buncha > threads) of the Dreaded Downwind Turn encircling our scrawny necks? > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:44 PM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006 --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com Hello All, I have been looking into the 2006 flying season and need to know if there is any interest in another Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley. It looks like 19-21 May should be the proper time to get together at Monument Valley. 23-24 May would also be a good time to gather on the floor of the Alvord Desert again if anyone is interested. I am planning on being at both places then on out to the Oregon coast, then fly south along the California coast before coming back home. If I have missed anyone in the address line, please pass this information on to them and as always, invite whoever you would like to gather with us. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 1006 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1 kolbrapilot2@comcast.net ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:08 PM PST US From: "lucien stavenhagen" Subject: Re: Re: Kolb-List: Downwind turns --> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen" heh, so the downwind turn thingy has been on here too... I bet this thread has gone around on every aviation related newsgroup/mailing list in existence. I've done my time on it, tho, so no more "downwind demon" for me ;) LS N646F Do Not Archive >AAARRGGGH! While we recently escaped the Super-Silly Seafom debacle, >must we again infect Kolb-list with a hawser (great big buncha >threads) of the Dreaded Downwind Turn encircling our scrawny necks? > >Pls note: add. changed to a58r@verizon...and sorry I did! > >pls do not archive > > >Bob N. >http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:00 PM PST US From: "lucien stavenhagen" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Last Flight 2005 - Texas --> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen" whoa... great bunch of pics John! Next time you're in TX, come up to Lockhart (50R),where my FS II is hangared at so I can shake your hand and look at your plane... LS N646F do not archive >From: "John Hauck" >Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Kolb-List: Last Flight 2005 - Texas >Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:59:03 -0600 > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > >Morning Gang: > >Had a good flight out to Texas to spend time flying with friends. >Departed my airstrip, Gantt International Airport, 1000, 1 Dec 05. >Dropped in on Paul Petty's in-laws, Harris Field, MS, for coffee and >lunch. Next stop was John Bickham's new airstrip, Nauga Field, St >Francisville, LA. John and his wife graciously put me up for the >night after feeding me the best red beans and rice, and country >sausage, I have ever eaten. In the process got to make the first >landing and take off from John's airstrip. > >Next stop was Beaumont, TX. Didn't take long to fly there from St >Francisville, LA. My ground speed was 115 mph. Airspeed was 85 mph. >Would have been difficult to determine airspeed without my trusty >Winter ASI. Don't know what my AOA was. ;-) > >Got on the ground and found my three friends had already arrived. >John W on the left, Ken K middle, and Gary H, on the right: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3146_resize.JPG > >After lunch at Sonic we took off and headed for Port Authur, TX, the >Texas/Louisiana State Line and the Gulf of Mexico. Here's John W and >his Kolbra heading south on the Texas beach: > > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3145_resize.JPG > >Doing what we do best, low level down the beach from Louisiana to the >Mexican Border. Shot of Gary H in his MKIII: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3149_resize.JPG > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3150_resize.JPG > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3153_resize.JPG > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3155_resize.JPG > >John W's Kolbra: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3157_resize.JPG > >John W's Kolbra and Ken K's Titan: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3164_resize.JPG > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3165_resize.JPG > >John W and Ken K leading Miss P'fer: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3174_resize.JPG > >The rest of the flight. All aircraft powered with the 912ULS. Might >add, we had nary a problem aircraft or power-wise: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3177_resize.JPG > >Gary H and John W: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3182_resize.JPG > >The flight has to gain a little altitude and shift to maintain >clearance with beach traffic: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3187_resize.JPG > >Good time was being had by all: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3193_resize.JPG > >Gary H approaches an old steel light house: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3195_resize.JPG > >John H gets a quick snapshot of the old steel light house on the fly: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3196_resize.JPG > >Shrimp boat ship wrecked on the beach: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3197_resize.JPG > >Made it down to Mustang Beach near Corpus Christi to RON. After a >great steak dinner in the Yacht Club next to the air port, we sacked >out on the floor of the FBO. > >Next morning after a short walk to the local convenience store for >coffee and donuts, we were off to continue our flight down the beach. >Here's Gary H leading the way: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3201_resize.JPG > >Perfect morning to be flying the beach, except we had a strong >headwind. Air was smooth as silk coming off the water: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3202_resize.JPG > >This leg turned out to be 3.5 hours from Mustang Beach to McAllen, TX. >Here are the guys just after we turned west up the Rio Grande River. >That's Mexico on the other side. Gary called Brownsville Tower to get >permission to fly through their airspace south of the field: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3203_resize.JPG > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3204_resize.JPG > >We landed at Del Rio, TX. Last time I landed here was on the way to >Alaska in 1994. Put up our tents and headed out walking to town for >dinner. Found a local Mexican Resturant (really a locals place to >eat) and had some excellent Mexican food. On the way back to the >airport, stopped off at Dairy Queen for some ice cream to simmer in >the recent Mexican dinner. It was still early when we got back to the >airport, so we sat around and reminiced about the days flying: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3209_resize.JPG > >Next morning, Sunday, 4 Dec 05, we took off, headed west to the Rio >Grande. Flew up stream until we came to the Pecos River. Turned >right up the Pecos for a good ways, then headed for Sonora, TX: > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3210_resize.JPG > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3213_resize.JPG > >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Last%20Flt%2005%20TX/DSCF3214_resize.JPG > >After a good Texas Sunday lunch buffet, our group split up. John W >and Ken K headed for Arlington, TX. Gary H and I headed for Houston >and his airstrip at Dry Creek. We made one quick op stop at Austin. >The weather started turning cold and overcast. Up until this point we >had been blessed with beautiful warm weather. > >Gary H and his wife feed me some Texas chilli and put me to bed. Next >morning I was off for Alabama at 0830, 5 Dec. Got fuel in Natchez, >MS. Didn't take time to eat lunch. If I had, I would not have been >able to make Gantt IAP before dark. The weather was really cold now, >35 to 40F. After my fuel stop I was also sitting in the shade of the >wing for the remainder of the flight back to Alabama. Had the Chilli >Vest (12VDC) on WOT and still had cold feet and hands, despite wool >socks and boots, and gloves. First time I had the thermostat on the >jacket WOT and still colder than I ever got on two previous trips with >the Chilli Vest to Alaska. However, I was dressed appropriately for >the Alaska flights, and this flight I lacked some essential clothing. > >Flew five days straight. > >2,429.6 sm. > >Average ground speed was 82.5 mph. > >Max ground speed was 124 mph. > >Burned 166.0 gal fuel at 5.4 gph. Might add Gary H and I both pushed >our 912ULS's to keep up with the Kolbra and Titan. I flew 5,200 rpm >most of the time, yielding 90 mph cruise. > >Was a great flight. We all had fun flying and visiting. > >Now it is time to get back to my chores. Won't be another good flight >until next Spring. > >john h >MKIII/912ULS >Titus, Alabama > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:10 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I'll be there. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com > > Hello All, > > I have been looking into the 2006 flying season and need to know if there > is > any interest in another Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley. > > It looks like 19-21 May should be the proper time to get together at > Monument Valley. > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:33 PM PST US From: "lucien stavenhagen" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen" Hey John, I'm new to the list, but am getting the impression that this is a regular/yearly thing for kolbers? Do you fly up there or do you trailer? I'd love to go, though with just my firestar II, I might be better off trailering up there and kicking around the area ;)... Also, I can't seem to access any of the links on your site, they all give me "page not found". Thanks, LS N646F Do Not Archive >From: WillUribe@aol.com >Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006 >Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:42:23 EST > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com > >Hello All, > >I have been looking into the 2006 flying season and need to know if there >is >any interest in another Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley. > >It looks like 19-21 May should be the proper time to get together at >Monument Valley. > >23-24 May would also be a good time to gather on the floor of the Alvord >Desert again if anyone is interested. > >I am planning on being at both places then on out to the Oregon coast, >then >fly south along the California coast before coming back home. > >If I have missed anyone in the address line, please pass this information >on >to them and as always, invite whoever you would like to gather with us. > > >John Williamson >Arlington, TX > >Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 1006 hours >http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1 >kolbrapilot2@comcast.net > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:28 PM PST US From: "John Cooley" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" LS, I had the same problem because I am using Firefox web browser. If you are using something other than IE, you may try it and see if it works. I now know to just open IE to go to John's web pages. Good Luck. P.S. Wish I could make Monument Valley.....maybe in 2007. John Cooley Do not archive Also, I can't seem to access any of the links on your site, they all give me "page not found". Thanks, LS N646F Do Not Archive >From: WillUribe@aol.com >Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006 >Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:42:23 EST > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com > >Hello All, > >I have been looking into the 2006 flying season and need to know if there >is >any interest in another Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley. > >It looks like 19-21 May should be the proper time to get together at >Monument Valley. > >23-24 May would also be a good time to gather on the floor of the Alvord >Desert again if anyone is interested. > >I am planning on being at both places then on out to the Oregon coast, >then >fly south along the California coast before coming back home. > >If I have missed anyone in the address line, please pass this information >on >to them and as always, invite whoever you would like to gather with us. > > >John Williamson >Arlington, TX > >Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 1006 hours >http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1 >kolbrapilot2@comcast.net > > -- -- ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:43 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | regular/yearly thing for kolbers? Do you fly up there or do you trailer? I'd | love to go, though with just my firestar II, I might be better off | trailering up there and kicking around the area ;)... | | Also, I can't seem to access any of the links on your site, they all give me | "page not found". | | Thanks, | LS | N646F | | Do Not Archive | | >From: WillUribe@aol.com | >Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com | >To: kolb-list@matronics.com | >Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006 | >Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:42:23 EST | > | >--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com | > | >Hello All, | > | >I have been looking into the 2006 flying season and need to know if there | >is | >any interest in another Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley. | > | >It looks like 19-21 May should be the proper time to get together at | >Monument Valley. | > | >23-24 May would also be a good time to gather on the floor of the Alvord | >Desert again if anyone is interested. | > | >I am planning on being at both places then on out to the Oregon coast, | >then | >fly south along the California coast before coming back home. | > | >If I have missed anyone in the address line, please pass this information | >on | >to them and as always, invite whoever you would like to gather with us. | > | > | >John Williamson | >Arlington, TX | > | >Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 1006 hours | >http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1 | >kolbrapilot2@comcast.net | > | > | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:40 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | regular/yearly thing for kolbers? Yep, we do it every year. Started the first Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin three years ago. The 2006 MV Flyin will be number 4. "Do you fly up there or do you trailer?" I never trailer. Some folks do trailer in. Come any way you desire. This is a very informal get together of some great folks, not including me. ;-) | Also, I can't seem to access any of the links on your site, they all give me | "page not found". Don't know what to tell you about the links. They work for me. john h MKIII/912ULS Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:42 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Lar Last year you promised in front of a bunch of us that next year you would have you plane there at Monument Valley. Is it going to happen? I'm not asking about a static display. Do not archive we may want to archive his response Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > I'll be there. Do not Archive. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Building Kolb Mk III > N78LB Vamoose > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006 > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com >> >> Hello All, >> >> I have been looking into the 2006 flying season and need to know if >> there >> is >> any interest in another Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley. >> >> It looks like 19-21 May should be the proper time to get together at >> Monument Valley. >> > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:38 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop noise --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com John, I wonder how ,or if it changed the flight characteristics top speed etc Ed (in Houston). In a message dated 12/4/2005 9:32:54 A.M. Central Standard Time, jrjungjr@yahoo.com writes: Group, Yesterday, I flew for the first time after raising the engine up a full inch, leaving a 2 inch gap between the prop tip and the boom tube. It was noticeably quieter, than with only 1 inch of clearance. John Jung ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:53 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" How can you archive it when you can't even print it ?? :-) #%$ *# ! ! ! "Vamoose is almost done. This year for sure." Did I read that somewhere ?? Once or twice ?? Lar. Do not Archive.............this time. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" > > > Lar > > Last year you promised in front of a bunch of us that next year you would > have you plane there at Monument Valley. Is it going to happen? I'm not > asking about a static display. > > Do not archive we may want to archive his response > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIIIc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Bourne" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2006 > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:32 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hanger --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com In a message dated 12/4/2005 10:09:09 A.M. Central Standard Time, gittj@earthlink.net writes: Trailer is fine but you need two people and it is a pain and some times hard to find that other person to help out . Aviation needs to make a nother step forward, in a new designe . Kolb is a great little plane i really enjoy mine but it sure would be nice to drive it home ,not paying hanger rent and work on it when i had time at home . For what it's worth! { Dreamer } Larry Larry, I have never had anyone to help me with my Firefly folding. Care must be taken but it can be done by yourself if its not to windy and you make a few fixtures to protect the ends of the wings. Ed ******** Do Not Archive **********