Kolb-List Digest Archive

Sun 12/18/05


Total Messages Posted: 28



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:03 AM - Re: Gap seals redux (Jim Ballenger)
     2. 04:27 AM - Re: NORMS MK3 CRASH (Todd Fredricks)
     3. 05:46 AM - Mark III vs Kolbra (David Key)
     4. 06:34 AM - Re: Mark III vs Kolbra (robert bean)
     5. 07:07 AM - Re: Mark III vs Kolbra (John Hauck)
     6. 10:20 AM - Re: Gap seals redux (woody)
     7. 10:28 AM - Homemade 12 Volt electric vest (Mike Pierzina)
     8. 10:28 AM - Re: Suki motor with a turbo (Richard Swiderski)
     9. 11:18 AM - Re: Gap seals redux (ray anderson)
    10. 11:33 AM - more questions (Ben Ramler)
    11. 11:50 AM - Re: more questions (Dallas Shepherd)
    12. 12:06 PM - Re: more questions (bryan green)
    13. 12:25 PM - Re: more questions (robert bean)
    14. 01:39 PM - float flying (russ kinne)
    15. 02:17 PM - Electric vest (Lanny Fetterman)
    16. 02:35 PM - Re: float flying (pat ladd)
    17. 02:47 PM - Not-Really-Kolb Story (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
    18. 03:48 PM - Re: more questions (Charlie England)
    19. 04:36 PM - Re: more questions (robert bean)
    20. 04:41 PM - more questions (Ben Ramler)
    21. 04:57 PM - Re: more questions (John Hauck)
    22. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Kolb List: new to the List (GeoR38@aol.com)
    23. 05:08 PM - Re: float flying (N27SB@aol.com)
    24. 05:14 PM - Re: more questions (Kirk Smith)
    25. 05:31 PM - Re: Gap seals redux (bill_joe)
    26. 06:29 PM - Re: more questions (John Hauck)
    27. 06:36 PM - Re: Gap seals redux (John Hauck)
    28. 07:48 PM - Re: Gap seals redux (roger lee)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:03:59 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
    Subject: Re: Gap seals redux
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net> LS I used the book binding tape method as described in the build manual. It saves a lot of time and mess. It's easy to apply and works just fine. It may have to be replaced every other year or so but that should be easy. Jim Ballenger MK III X 582 Virginia Beach, VA Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "lucien stavenhagen" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Gap seals redux > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen" > <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com> > > I guess now I have to plan some permanant ones, a-la the drawing on the > kolb > list photos.... Never done dope and fabric, but I guess this will be a > good > way to start.... I'll have to ask a bunch of ignorant fabric work > questions > on here I guess ;).... > > LS > N646F > > >


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    Time: 04:27:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: NORMS MK3 CRASH
    From: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net> Wow! Thanks so much for taking the time to share your story with us. What a testimony to integrity and your honor as a pilot to accept the risk and avoid creating more hay for attorneys. That is a really great story. I am waiting for a few days off to get to London and look at a Mark IIIX. Thanks again for being so open with all of us. Todd > > HI LIsters its been a year and a month since I was the passenger with Norm > at > the Kolb factory. Rest his soul, I was in the hospital til July 15 2005... > > > > -- Todd Fredricks, DO Flying Fox Services Visit my Blog at www.flyingfoxhangar.blogspot.com POWERED BY MAC DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 05:46:07 AM PST US
    From: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
    Subject: Mark III vs Kolbra
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com> I am going to get another Kolb and I'm considering the Kolbra. I've owed a Mark III C, can someone who has time in both explain their flight diffrences?


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    Time: 06:34:41 AM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Mark III vs Kolbra
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> If you were able to find a bargain-priced MkIIIc, perhaps "slightly damaged", it wouldn't take a whole lot of work to transform the cabin to a tandem design. Hacksaw and torch. -BB do not archive On 18, Dec 2005, at 8:45 AM, David Key wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com> > > I am going to get another Kolb and I'm considering the Kolbra. I've > owed a > Mark III C, can someone who has time in both explain their flight > diffrences? > >


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    Time: 07:07:17 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Mark III vs Kolbra
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> owed a | Mark III C, can someone who has time in both explain their flight | diffrences? Morning David K/All: Basically, the same aircraft, same wing and tail section. Seems like the tailboom is longer, but can not say for sure. Major difference is tandem versus side by side seating. The Kolbra will cruise faster than the MKIII with the same engine and prop because of the narrower profile. However, the Kolbra can not be configured like the MKIII to provide much more cargo space. In addition, the MKIII has a built in flight desk, the second seat that is not occupied. There have to be a few changes to the MKIII to gain the additional cargo room, e.g., move fuel tank to upper area behind the bulkhead that is normally open and not used. This opens up the lower area where the original fuel tanks were for cargo. As far as handling, the Kolbra seems to me to be a bit more docile than the MKIII, which is also a docile handling airplane like all the other Kolb models, new and older. Also some of the adverse yaw and pitch attitude problems experienced with the MKIII seem to be gone. These observations are based on only a short period of flight in two different Kolbras, one 582 and the other 912 powered. One additional item is the flaps on the MKIII, which are a definite plus. The standard Kolbra does come with a standard flap setup. However, Paul P is building a Kolbra that has full flaps like the MKIII. We'll have to wait until Paul's airplane flies to see how well they perform. I am sure they will be a welcome addition to the already good flying Kolbra. I think it is a toss up of whether one wants tandem or side by side seating. I like both and would certainly own a Kolbra if I didn't already have a good MKIII. Take care, john h MKIII,912ULS hauck's holler, alabama


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    Time: 10:20:30 AM PST US
    From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
    Subject: Re: Gap seals redux
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net> I have used the original Stits fabric for my gap seals on all 6 Kolbs I have built. Fast, simple and just like me "cheap". It does not have to be replaced unless you play lawn dart into cornfields like I do. > LS > I used the book binding tape method as described in the build manual. It > saves a lot of time and mess. It's easy to apply and works just fine. It > may have to be replaced every other year or so but that should be easy. > Jim Ballenger > MK III X 582 > Virginia Beach, VA


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    Time: 10:28:17 AM PST US
    From: Mike Pierzina <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Homemade 12 Volt electric vest
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> Hey Guys, I was looking around at elec vest....the one that John uses ( Chilli Vest ) is around $194 bucks I saw that Cabela's has one , but their out of them and I can't find a price.....Some of the others that I found were also in the price range of the Chili Vest..... I did run across this interesting bit of info.....a Homemade Elec Vest ( or whatever....Elec Seats ) It explains how to figure out what you need , so even "I" can understand it.... It sez you can make it for around $30 Bucks.... If your interested.....Here's the address.... http://www.shadowriders.org/faq/electricvests.html Gotta Fly... Mike in MN N381PM DNA in the signiture Firestar I&II Forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kolb_Firestar/ My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Do not archive


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    Time: 10:28:35 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Swiderski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Suki motor with a turbo
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net> Hi Ron, A lot of your questions can be answered at my website: http://www.geocities.com/ib2polish/ If the engine came with the turbo you will be well on your way. If it is a naturally aspirated engine, then you have a lot of work in front of you. The turbo version has beefed up rods & wristpins plus low compression pistons. Give me a call & I'll be happy to share what I know. Richard Swiderski 352-307-9009 Folks I am about to make a call and send off 600 smackers for a 1.0 ltr Suzuki with a turbo. This is what I know is to be delivered. One motor low mileage (according to the seller) and one turbo charger. I also know that I will need the following; a starter, a radiator, an ignition system, and adopter plate and plumbing for the turbo, and of course an RDU. The Rdu I can leave for later as we have two qualified gentlemen here (yahoo Geo list) that can help me with that. What I would like to get in terms of input is just what all I will need to do the day the crate arrives at my door step. It would be great if you would tell me in as much detail what you would do, from the minute the create is on the garage floor. No detail will go un Appreciated. Plus it will be guidance to all of us. (Main problem is that I cannot find any 1.3 liter motor in Southern Arizona at all, and as some of you have commented that the 1.0 liter with a turbo is as Sufficient as a 1.3 Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukah as the case may be. Ron Arizona (Needing to get that Big Kolb finished, all the other little things have been done and I have nothing to stall the project with any longer)


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    Time: 11:18:30 AM PST US
    From: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Gap seals redux
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com> On my first UltraStar I used metal gap shields which worked nicely and permitted removal of the ailerons if needed. (I never did need to do so but could have). That was over twenty years ago but I remember, I believe, the metal strips were about three inches wide and were made of very thin but springy either brass shim stock or aluminum. Frankly I can't remember which. The strips were fastened to the trailing edge of the wing with small sheet metal screws and covered the gap and rested lightly on the leading edge of the aileron. I remember a little bit of bending or tweaking was necessary to get a good fit with full deflection in either direction of the aileron. Gave a good smooth flow of air across the gap which is the aim of any gap seal. Plus no maintaince through the years. Ray UltraStar ...TN Do Not Archive woody <duesouth@govital.net> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" I have used the original Stits fabric for my gap seals on all 6 Kolbs I have built. Fast, simple and just like me "cheap". It does not have to be replaced unless you play lawn dart into cornfields like I do. > LS > I used the book binding tape method as described in the build manual. It > saves a lot of time and mess. It's easy to apply and works just fine. It > may have to be replaced every other year or so but that should be easy. > Jim Ballenger > MK III X 582 > Virginia Beach, VA


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    Time: 11:33:54 AM PST US
    From: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
    Subject: more questions
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com> Mark German, I have another question why couldn't a person add a pod underneath the aircraft of the Kolbra? The pod would be for duffle bags, tents, inflatable air mattresses? thanks, Ben


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    Time: 11:50:13 AM PST US
    From: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
    Subject: Re: more questions
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net> Titan Aircraft has such a pod for their planes. Dallas Shepherd -------Original Message------- From: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Kolb-List: more questions --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com> Mark German, I have another question why couldn't a person add a pod underneath the aircraft of the Kolbra? The pod would be for duffle bags, tents, inflatable air mattresses? thanks, Ben


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    Time: 12:06:26 PM PST US
    From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: more questions
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com> I wonder if that would not kill the advanage for having the Kolbra over the MIII which is faster cruise speed? Do not archive Bryan Green (Elgin SC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: more questions > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" > <cen23954@centurytel.net> > > Titan Aircraft has such a pod for their planes. > Dallas Shepherd > > -------Original Message------- > > From: kolb-list@matronics.com > Date: 12/18/05 13:35:31 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: more questions > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com> > > Mark German, > > I have another question why couldn't a person add a pod underneath the > aircraft of the Kolbra? The pod would be for duffle bags, tents, > inflatable > air mattresses? > > thanks, > > Ben > > >


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    Time: 12:25:23 PM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: more questions
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> Drag is not the only consideration. Tandem aircraft have a better CG arrangement where the passenger sits near the CG to eliminate trim change. -Could never figure why the J3 Cub put the pilot in the back seat and the pass. in front. -BB do not archive On 18, Dec 2005, at 3:05 PM, bryan green wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com> > > I wonder if that would not kill the advanage for having the Kolbra > over the > MIII which is faster cruise speed? Do not archive > Bryan Green (Elgin SC) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: more questions > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" >> <cen23954@centurytel.net> >> >> Titan Aircraft has such a pod for their planes. >> Dallas Shepherd >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> From: kolb-list@matronics.com >> Date: 12/18/05 13:35:31 >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Kolb-List: more questions >> >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com> >> >> Mark German, >> >> I have another question why couldn't a person add a pod underneath >> the >> aircraft of the Kolbra? The pod would be for duffle bags, tents, >> inflatable >> air mattresses? >> >> thanks, >> >> Ben >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 01:39:11 PM PST US
    From: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
    Subject: float flying
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net> To those interested in flying off water -- I have no time in a Kolb on floats, but have done some seaplane flying, so these comments may be useful. It is the GREATEST flying you=92ll ever do. Just marvellous. I do hope John H gets to do some soon, to round out his impressive flying career, and have a ball as well. It is obviously very different, and it seems people break things regularly -- the insurance rates are much higher. When I put my 170 on floats my premium almost doubled. Then when I went back to wheels the insurance co. refused to lower my premium again! -- saying =91We know you=92ll go back on floats next year=92 Well, I consider that=92s my decision, not yours, so Goodby Avemco. Mounting is straightforward, but the step must be right on the takeoff CG, and should be ventilated to break suction. I personally think Lotus floats are very heavy but I have heard good things about them otherwise. The best material I ever saw, or flew, was on an ultralight flying boat -- thin marine plywood sandwiched with polycarbonbate honeycomb -- light and lovely, but hugely labor-intensive. One thing you should know -- when a seaplane is on the water, it is a powerboat and under the Coast Guard rules, not those of the FAA. I=92ve never seen nor heard of them being enforced for light planes, but it=92s possible. You could run into a zealous CG Auxiliaryman on a weekend and be inspected. A fire extinguisher is required, and a PFD (life preserver) for everyone onboard, =93readily available for immediate use=94. Anyone under 13 may be required to wear one. The regs also require things like a horn, bell, whistle, flares and distress signals, a copy of the Rules of the Road; and specific lights for nighttime use. You=92d have to add a forward-facing =93masthead light=94 to the regular aircraft lights to be legal. I doubt you=92ll ever need any of these, but it doesn=92t hurt to know about them. Russ Kinne


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    Time: 02:17:53 PM PST US
    From: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
    Subject: Electric vest
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net> Hi Mike and all, I love my chilli vest, I use it in the Firestar, snowmobile, 4-wheeler, motorcycle sitting in my truck while I sell Christmas trees, and even in my tree stand when I hunt. Worth every penny! If you can`t find a chilli vest, look in motorcycle catalogs, there are electric gloves, vests and even pants being made. Happy Holidays to all! Lanny Fetterman N598LF Do Not Archive


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    Time: 02:35:19 PM PST US
    From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: float flying
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> on floats my premium almost doubled.>> Hi Russ, that is because with a seaplane you can have all the things that go wrong with boats and all the things that go wrong with airplanes wrapped up in one handy package. I am kidding. Only flown from water a couple of times, both times in amphibian ultrlights, and it was great. Cheers Pat --


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    Time: 02:47:17 PM PST US
    From: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
    Subject: Not-Really-Kolb Story
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com> Yesterday I was going past the local Turkey Hill mini market and when I looked in there was a plane parked at the pumps getting gas. So I stopped and ask him where he was from. He was ferrying the Quicksilver GT 400 from Ohio to NJ, he couldn't find the local airport (N71) so he had to land in a soybean field in an inch of wet snow to get gas. When he tried to take off he went more than 1000' and disappeared over the hill before leaving the ground. I guess he had to turn around and head into the wind to brake free of the wet snow. Now that would take a braver soul than I to jump in a plane that you've never seen before, on nearly the shortest day of the year with snow on the ground. Anyway it added some excitement to my day. Hope you enjoyed the story. ~ Earl Do Not Archive --


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    Time: 03:48:07 PM PST US
    From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: more questions
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net> robert bean wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> > >Drag is not the only consideration. Tandem aircraft have a better >CG arrangement where the passenger sits near the CG to eliminate >trim change. -Could never figure why the J3 Cub put the pilot in >the back seat and the pass. in front. >-BB do not archive >On 18, Dec 2005, at 3:05 PM, bryan green wrote: > Because the fuel tank is at the firewall. Supercubs, with fuel tanks in the wings, are operated single pilot in front.


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    Time: 04:36:14 PM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: more questions
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> Champs do fine with a firewall tank and front driver. After some thought, soaking a sprained ankle in the tub, it occurred to me that they wanted to give a genuine "trainer" feel to the plane because military trainers commonly used a backseat instructor. (the original backseat driver?) -BB do not archive On 18, Dec 2005, at 6:47 PM, Charlie England wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England > <ceengland@bellsouth.net> > > robert bean wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> >> >> Drag is not the only consideration. Tandem aircraft have a better >> CG arrangement where the passenger sits near the CG to eliminate >> trim change. -Could never figure why the J3 Cub put the pilot in >> the back seat and the pass. in front. >> -BB do not archive >> On 18, Dec 2005, at 3:05 PM, bryan green wrote: >> > > Because the fuel tank is at the firewall. Supercubs, with fuel tanks in > the wings, are operated single pilot in front. > >


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    Time: 04:41:48 PM PST US
    From: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
    Subject: more questions
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com> what is the total price for the kit? The website says a little over 8,000 but it says at the top firefly. I'm talking about the Kolbra now thanks, Ben


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    Time: 04:57:08 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: more questions
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> | thanks, | | Ben Ben/Gang: Best call Donnie Sizemore or Travis Brown in the morning at TNK. They can give you all the info on prices you need. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 04:57:26 PM PST US
    From: GeoR38@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Kolb List: new to the List
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 12/16/2005 12:58:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jrjungjr@yahoo.com writes: Lucien and Group, Lucien, you gave a very good write up on Kolbs! But as good as it is, I feel compelled to comment on the "apparently quite difficult construction": My Firestar II took me 11 weeks and 370 hours to build. To do that I took 5 weeks vacation from my job. I was the first plane that I built, too. I say building a Kolb is a "piece of cake", and I had FUN doing it. I agree with everything one here except it took me 350 hours....Piece of cake may be a stretch by the 340th hr, I was ready to be finished ....but you are right it was a great joy to build. .....the Firestar KX way back in '92. George Randolph Firestar driver from The Villages, Fl Rotax 447, 3 blade Ivo, KX, 1991 Do not Archive


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    Time: 05:08:37 PM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Re: float flying
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 12/18/2005 4:39:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, kinnepix@earthlink.net writes: > One thing you should know -- when a seaplane is on the water, it is a > powerboat and under the Coast Guard rules, not those of the FAA. I=92ve > never seen nor heard of them being enforced for light planes, but it=92s > possible. You could run into a zealous CG Auxiliaryman on a weekend and > be inspected. A fire extinguisher is required, and a PFD (life > preserver) for everyone onboard, =93readily available for immediate use=94. > Anyone under 13 may be required to wear one. The regs also require > things like a horn, bell, whistle, flares and distress signals, a copy > of the Rules of the Road; and specific lights for nighttime use. You=92d > have to add a forward-facing =93masthead light=94 to the regular aircraft > lights to be legal. > I doubt you=92ll ever need any of these, but it doesn=92t hurt to know > about them. > Russ Kinne > > Hi Russ, Not here in Fla. A floatplane is not considered a boat in any terms. You may want to carry the extra gear but it is not required or governed by the CG or Fla Marine Patrol. It is important to understand this because while in a floatplane or seaplane you must yield to ALL vessels. You do not have any rights as a boat. Also you are not required to have a boat registration and nighttime operations on the water are prohibited. only amphibs can fly at night and only by means of land operations after dark. Most people I know here carry a copy of the state reg with them in case of an over zealous Marine Officer. Thing may be different when you leave the Sunshine State, Steve Boetto FireFly on Floats


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    Time: 05:14:42 PM PST US
    From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
    Subject: Re: more questions
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com> > > I have another question why couldn't a person add a pod underneath the aircraft of the Kolbra? The pod would be for duffle bags, tents, inflatable air mattresses? Rick Trader , the first guy to a fly a Kolb to Alaska did that with a Mark II. Made it himself. Do not archive


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    Time: 05:31:48 PM PST US
    From: "bill_joe" <bill_joe@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Gap seals redux
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bill_joe" <bill_joe@bellsouth.net> Gang,, I used bookbinding tape, but when I moved to Fl, you get to change it once a year. It will tolerate the weather here or anywhere I think. I called Jim Dondi and ordered some reinforcement tape , I think 3 inch and used poly tack to put it on over the poly tone paint a and it was simple , easy and looks great. I painted it with a brush. Had I known how easy it would be I would have done it this way in the beginning., I did not remove the wings or anything to do this. Don't bother with the Book binding stuff. My suggestion. Bill Futrell Do Not archive Original Message ----- From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gap seals redux > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net> > > > I have used the original Stits fabric for my gap seals on all 6 Kolbs I > have built. Fast, simple and just like me "cheap". It does not have to be > replaced unless you play lawn dart into cornfields like I do. > > >> LS >> I used the book binding tape method as described in the build manual. It >> saves a lot of time and mess. It's easy to apply and works just fine. >> It >> may have to be replaced every other year or so but that should be easy. >> Jim Ballenger >> MK III X 582 >> Virginia Beach, VA > > >


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    Time: 06:29:47 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: more questions
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> a Mark | II. Made it himself. Hi Snuffy/Gang: In the very early days I used to sling load my bag under the seat of the Ultrastar, and my sleeping bag between the gear legs of the Firestar, until we got around to rebuilding and modifying it to become a serious cross country 447 powered aircraft. Then everything would fit inside. I believe Rick Trader started out with an old Twinstar. Don't know if he built it or not. His Kolb was trailered from NJ to Glenn Rinck's in Grand Ridge, NJ, where Glenn modified it to include fully inclosing the cockpit and building a huge cargo pod under the original fuselage. I think Trader actually started his flight from Glenn Rinck's after he drove his station wagon down to Sun and Fun that year. Glenn has built a lot of airplanes for a lot of people over the years. Nice guy. I have known him for many years. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 06:36:04 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Gap seals redux
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> I called | Jim Dondi and ordered some reinforcement tape , I think 3 inch and used poly | tack to put it on over the poly tone paint a and it was simple , easy and | looks great. | Bill Futrell Hi Billy/Gang: I have some gap seals on my MKIII that have been there since 1992, and done a bit of flying during that time. A little extra effort during the finishing stages of the airplane, but well worth the effort. john h MKIII/912ULS 2,444.0/1,098.1 hrs


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    Time: 07:48:00 PM PST US
    From: roger lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Gap seals redux
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: roger lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> Hi John, Installed my new heavy duty starter today and with the new 28 ah battery that prop really spins now. I think I could just hold the key in the on position and I could fly without a start up. Huge difference. Glad I made the changes. I also beefed up my landing gear from the original tapered aluminum legs to a straight 1 3/8" aluminum (7075-T651) all the way to the wheel hub. I also lengthened the legs 4 inches. That raised the front end up and now I land mains first. Roger Lee Tucson, Az John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" I called | Jim Dondi and ordered some reinforcement tape , I think 3 inch and used poly | tack to put it on over the poly tone paint a and it was simple , easy and | looks great. | Bill Futrell Hi Billy/Gang: I have some gap seals on my MKIII that have been there since 1992, and done a bit of flying during that time. A little extra effort during the finishing stages of the airplane, but well worth the effort. john h MKIII/912ULS 2,444.0/1,098.1 hrs




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