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1. 05:52 AM - Bugs (Paul Petty)
2. 05:56 AM - Re: 912UL on a Firestar II (John Jung)
3. 06:29 AM - Extending the range of a Firestar (John Jung)
4. 07:04 AM - Re: fuel contamination (jdmurr@juno.com)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: Re: 912UL on a Firestar II (lucien stavenhagen)
6. 08:10 AM - looking for some one (Ben Ramler)
7. 09:09 AM - Re: Extending the range of a Firestar (Richard Pike)
8. 12:16 PM - Re: Re: 912UL on a Firestar II (Denny Rowe)
9. 01:54 PM - Re: Trailering A Kolb (DCulver701@aol.com)
10. 03:44 PM - Re: Trailering A Kolb (Richard Swiderski)
11. 04:18 PM - HKS on a Firestar II (John Jung)
12. 05:40 PM - T'was The Night Before Christmas - Sport Plane Version (Jim Pellien)
13. 06:30 PM - Re: fuel contamination (Charlie England)
14. 07:46 PM - xtra Quick Build hours? (David Key)
15. 09:00 PM - Re: HKS on a Firestar II (Richard Pike)
16. 09:05 PM - Re: xtra Quick Build hours? (Ron)
17. 11:13 PM - Re: Trailering A Kolb (Don Martin)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
I can make a contribution here. I, as well as several other Kolb aircraft owners,
live in the bug capitol of the USA!
I think a simple remedy like a small filter tip would be a help.
-suggestions? <snip>
What we do is place automotive rubber vacuum caps on every vent/orifice on any
thing that burns fuel from leaf blowers to the RV8 when not in use. Don't forget
to put a bright red "Remove before flight" tag on the airplanes though. Heck
even have them on my snapper mower! hehehe
Merry Christmas and Happy new Year!
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
I.L.D.S.
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| Subject: | RE: 912UL on a Firestar II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Dennis,
Thanks for your response. It helped me get the weight issue settled.
Plus, I think that it is great that you still monitor the list.
John Jung
Firstar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
do not archive
On Dec 22, 2005, at 12:58 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
>
> Lar,
>
> Yes it was 165 or so lbs. This included everything, just as it came
> off a
> SlingShot: the rotax radiator, oil cooler, muffler, motor mount and all
> liquids. I forget if the prop was on when it was weighed or not.
>
> Dennis
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| Subject: | Extending the range of a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Jack and Group,
You are right on with your suggestion. I have been slowly working on
this over the years.
In the past, I made improvements so that I could be comfortable enough
to travel. These involved the seat, the enclosure, and sound reduction.
Currently on my list, is enclosing the area above the tanks, and
possibly getting the oil tank out of the air-stream. Where else could I
clean it up?
Another thing on my list is the HACman system for mixture control.
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
On Dec 22, 2005, at 12:58 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote:
> John,
>
> If you have not already done it, you can extend range by cleaning up
> your
> Firestar II. It does not cost much in weight to fair in everything.
> If you
> don't reach the range or speed you want, you can always go back to the
> idea of
> adding hp. But you will need less of it to reach your goal.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: fuel contamination |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" <jdmurr@juno.com>
I have a fuel filter on my vent line to keep out things that don't belong.
John Murr
1989 FS
I have a fuel filter on my vent line to keep out things that don't belong.
John Murr
1989 FS
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 912UL on a Firestar II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
>You're a welcome addition to the Kolb List, Lucien. You sound well
>informed and reasonable, yet willing to listen to others......not all that
>common a trait. Ol' Johnnie H. and I have become fair friends over the
>years, and I enjoy his input, but sometimes it's good to see someone rattle
>his cage a bit. Keeps him on his toes, I think, and he IS a little (??)
>opinionated. :-) Lar.
Hey Larry,
Well just to set the record straight, if there were a good 4-stroke
alternative to the 447/503 in the typical applications I admit I'd strongly
consider it. But so far, the alternatives there are have their own
disadvantages - weight, cost, installation problems being the main ones -
that have so far always sent me back to the Rotax.
Also, as I alluded to before, I'd definitely go to an alternative on the
582. I'm not as happy with this motor since it's not as reliable as the
aircooled motors. In something requiring 582 sized power, I'd definitely
look at the HKS on up through the jabiru and 912 instead.
So far the dark horse appears to be the HKS. I, for example, was thinking it
vibrated too much; well I was corrected here on the list. Also, I have read
a pretty large body of opinion that it "performs more like a 503" that Tom
Olenik has actually found not to be the case. He and his father have done a
lot of experimenting with the propping which is what he's found to be the
source of this. He says you can't prop it like a 582 - generally it needs a
bit more prop since it lugs a lot better than the 582.
So there's some mythology going on there as well which might be masking
things a bit....
Anyway, it's no secret that my favorite 2-stroke is the 503. I don't
hesitate to jump in my firestar and go somewhere ever because of concerns
about the motor. Usually wind and bad weather are the limiting factors
there. I've found it to be plenty dependable for any kind of flying or trips
I might want to take.
Finally, though, I will agree with John that the 912 is more reliable and
for sure if I were to build a long-haul airplane like a Kolbra/mark III or
such, intended for long trips I'd definitely fit a 912 instead.
We only differed on _how much_ more reliable it was, not that it wasn't more
reliable period.
As I said, I eventually plan to fly in front of/underneath a 912 at some
point soon as I get a little richer. But that won't keep me out of the FS in
the meantime ;).
LS
N646F
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Building Kolb Mk III
>N78LB Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "lucien stavenhagen"
><lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:32 AM
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: 912UL on a Firestar II
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen"
>><lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
>>
>>>LS/Gang:
>>>
>>>Said I was going to drop this one, but possum and BB made me do it.
>>>
>>>8 engines in 700+ hours and 7+ years. Am I understanding this
>>>correctly?
>>>
>>>Looks like that works out to about an engine every year or less, and
>>>less than 100 hours per engine. Doesn't seem like you gave your two
>>>strokes time to get broken in, much less hiccup.
>>
>>Actually, no, the Rotaxen break in pretty much fully by about 15 hours run
>>time.
>>
>>As for your math, it's ok, but the conclusion is a little more complex
>>than
>>you're making it out to be. For most of the time, I"ve
>
>
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| Subject: | looking for some one |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
Hello Kolb flyers,
I was wondering if there any Mk III flyers from Minnesota on the list that could
respond to me off the list? I know of one person so far by the name of Mike
P.
thanks, Merry Christmas & Best wishes for great New Year!
Ben
ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Extending the range of a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
One of the mods we did was to add a lightweight lexan tapering enclosure
that goes behind the flexible cockpit enclosure of the FSII, it is above
the tanks and between the tanks and the gap seal. It makes a notable
difference in rpm/speed, and also seems to enhance rudder authority. If
you are interested, I can send you several .jpg pictures off list. We
also use a gap seal with minimum air leaks. (It could be better, but it
is an improvement over stock)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
John Jung wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>
>Jack and Group,
>
>You are right on with your suggestion. I have been slowly working on
>this over the years.
>
>In the past, I made improvements so that I could be comfortable enough
>to travel. These involved the seat, the enclosure, and sound reduction.
>
>Currently on my list, is enclosing the area above the tanks, and
>possibly getting the oil tank out of the air-stream. Where else could I
>clean it up?
>
>Another thing on my list is the HACman system for mixture control.
>
>John Jung
>Firestar II N6163J
>Surprise, AZ
>
>On Dec 22, 2005, at 12:58 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote:
>
>
>
>>John,
>>
>>If you have not already done it, you can extend range by cleaning up
>>your
>>Firestar II. It does not cost much in weight to fair in everything.
>>If you
>>don't reach the range or speed you want, you can always go back to the
>>idea of
>>adding hp. But you will need less of it to reach your goal.
>>
>>Jack B. Hart FF004
>>Winchester, IN
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: 912UL on a Firestar II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> Thank you, John Cooley! The numbers are not what I wanted to hear, but
> they pretty much back up Dennis's information to the list. I just can't
> see putting a 160 pound engine on my Firestar. Without any other weight
> information, I am going to give up on the idea.
>
> John Jung
> Firestar II N6163J
> Surprise, AZ
>
John J,
Keep us posted on what you decide to do, I can't wait to hear about the
first Firestar with an HKS and big reduction drive, it should be a fuel
sipping butt hauling machine.
Also would be cool to get a report on the exact differance between a 2.58
Rotax reduction and the 3.47 C box with the big blades.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering A Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DCulver701@aol.com
Thanks George, for the great shots of Richard Swiderski,s custom built
trailer. The trailer is very unique with great design features. Did you design
&
build it yourself, Richard? If You did, it was one heck of a nice job. What
type of trailer did you start with, or was it designed from the ground up? I
didn't see any dimensions for length & width, weight, or materials used? Is
that available someplace? Again , thanks George for posting the pictures. Best
regards. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year everyone. Dave Culver
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| Subject: | Trailering A Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Dave, yes I designed & built it from scratch after seeing Dennis Souders
open air trailer with a drop step immediately behind the axle. It's a
brilliant idea & I used that concept & enclosed it. The design goal was: a
2000 lb or lighter empty weight; a 150 lb tongue weight; a streamlined shape
so it could be pulled by a 6 cylinder vehicle; to provide a cushy ride; to
provide easy loading; to be amenable to FL summer heat; & double as a
hanger. The tongue weight was unbelievably difficult to achieve. It is
made of 1" 1x3 rectangular
tubing for side frame; 4x4 tubing for tongue; steel siding for walls;
seamless aluminum sheeting for roof. I lost the detailed measurements.
Below is the comments I sent along with the pictures to George. If I was to
build it again, I would make it much simpler with less pieces.
The beauty of this trailer is that: 1)It is relatively light (2000 lbs);
2)It has a drop step at the rear that allows you to easily roll the Kolb
into trailer without scrapping leading edge of wings & only having to raise
the plane 6 inches; 3) It has a 150 lb tongue weight loaded or empty, yet
tracks solid with no wagging; and 4) It is very streamlined with front walls
tapering inward, front roof tapering down, rear floor tapering upward & 11
inches of road clearance (except for the drop step 2ft behind the rear axle
which has 5" clearance & has drag strips with the paint still on them.)
The weird box inside the trailer on the upper left is a 12V/propane
refrigerator. The rear ramp has a garage door spring assist & requires two
fingers to lift. The rear door is adjustable for opened height. The RV
awning is a great reprieve from treeless airports. The front door allows
quick access on road & cross breeze ventilation when loading. Two side
windows & trap door in floor allow ventilation when parked. Plexiglass roof
window brightens entire trailer. The dual axles prevents the trailer from
dropping if you have to go over pot holes & the rubber torsion suspension
provides a cushy ride. Interior & exterior 12V lighting makes those after
sunset folding & loading jobs easy. Lots of 120V AC lighting is for using
the trailer as a hanger & shop. The robust roof truss with ratchet strap is
what takes the weight completely off the tail wheel & puts that weight
immediately in front of the front axle. This was the big break through
solution that allowed a light tongue weight without moving the axles so far
forward that towing stability would be compromised. The ratchet strap goes
around the tail boom where the h-section is installed. All in all, I am
thrilled with this purpose trailer.
-
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| Subject: | HKS on a Firestar II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Denny and Group,
I have looked into the HKS several times, and it is probably the best
engine if one wants to go traveling in a Firestar II. For me, the
likely improvements over a 503 are not worth the money. Now, if I
didn't already own a 503 and had to buy a new one, I might get the HKS,
instead. I also would like someone else to be the first.
If anyone know of an HKS on a Kolb, let us know.
I have considered the change in Rotax gear box, too.
John Jung
Firstar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
do not archive
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
John J,
Keep us posted on what you decide to do, I can't wait to hear about the
first Firestar with an HKS and big reduction drive, it should be a fuel
sipping butt hauling machine.
Also would be cool to get a report on the exact differance between a
2.58
Rotax reduction and the 3.47 C box with the big blades.
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| Subject: | T'was The Night Before Christmas - Sport Plane Version |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the forum
not an EMAIL was posted, not even a note.
The stockings were hung by the laptop with care,
in hopes that Tom P. soon would be there.
The pilots were nestled all snug in their beds,
while visions of SLSA's danced in their heads.
The aircraft in their hangars, and I in my cap,
had just settled our brains for a long winter's nap.
When out on the tarmac there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from my desk to see what was the matter.
Away to the window I flew like a flash,
tore open the shutter, and threw up the sash.
The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow
gave the lustre of midday to the tie-downs below,
when, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
but a Light Sport Aircraft and eight big EAA 'rs.
With a little old pilot, so lively and quick,
I knew in a moment it must be Tom P.
More rapid than eagles, his coursers they came,
and he whistled and shouted and called them by name:
"Now Rutan! Now Melville!
Now, Fossett and Boyer!
On, Lawrence! On, Heintz!
On, Van G and Sawyer!
To the end of the runway!
To the tie-down area
Now Shut Down ! Shut Down!
Shut Down All Engines"
As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly,
when they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky
so up to the top of the FBO they flew,
with the sleigh full of flight toys, and Tom P. too.
And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
the prancing and pawing of each little hoof.
As I drew in my head and was turning around,
down the chimney Tom P. came with a bound.
He was dressed all in fur, from his head to his foot,
and his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot.
A bundle of new FAA rules he had flung on his back,
and he looked like a peddler just opening his pack.
He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
and filled all the stockings, with SP and LSA Rulings.
And laying his finger aside of his nose,
and giving a nod, up the chimney he rose.
He sprang to his SLSA, completed his preflight,
And away he flew like the down of a thistle.
But I heard him exclaim, 'ere he flew out of sight,
"Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good night!"
(An Adaptation of the Classic Poem, "T'was the Night Before Christmas")
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to All
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
The Mid-Atlantic Region of SportsPlanes.com
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
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| Subject: | Re: fuel contamination |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
John Hauck wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>fuel in the
>| system, it would be difficult for a bug to build a nest and to close
>off the
>| vent tube. The heavy fuel vapor will flush all the oxygen out of
>the tube.
>| Jack B. Hart FF004
>| Winchester, IN
>
>Hi Jack H/Gang:
>
>Not particularly true in all cases. I have a vent line on a 55 gal
>aux diesal tank in the old Dodge/Cummins that gets plugged regularly
>by fanatic Alabama mud daubers.
>
>However, have never had a problem with the vent line on my MKIII that
>is venting combinations of 93 and 100LL fumes continously.
>
>As far as bugs in the fuel tank, a good finger strainer in the outlet
>helps keep them out of the fuel filter.
>
>john h
>MKIII/912ULS
>hauck's holler, alabama
>
I've found dauber nests in *both* fuel vents of an RV-4. The plane flew
for around 5 years in & around central Mississippi with no infestation,
then they got both sides at once. I discovered the problem after a 15
minute flight. Heard 'that great sucking sound' & noticed that one of
the leading edge tanks was sunken in about 1" between the ribs. The
vents are made of 1/4" AL tubing, around 1/8" ID & necked down smaller
than that by the tubing cutter. Both vent lines got screens over the
ends before it flew again.
Charlie
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| Subject: | xtra Quick Build hours? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Is there someone that can tell me how long the xtra quick build kit takes to
build?
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| Subject: | Re: HKS on a Firestar II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Don't know how it would do with a 503, but an E box on a 582 requires
some fancy reshuffling of the engine/motor mount plate arrangement in
order to fit on the FSII.
Looks like I need to put more pictures on the web page....
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
John Jung wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
><snip>
>I have considered the change in Rotax gear box, too.
>
>John Jung
>Firstar II N6163J
>Surprise, AZ
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | xtra Quick Build hours? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron" <captainron1@cox.net>
Well it pretty much depends on how much time you can give the project and
how good you are in interpreting the plans. I had one hell of a time
deciphering the old M3X plans. Also I am located remote from any Kolbs. I
had nothing to look at to see how it's put together. This list helped me a
lot when the members sent me pictures. Anyway I think if you have the budget
to get everything including the engine, instruments and covering material
you could finish it in 6 months with 3-4 hrs 3 times a week. Just a guess.
Each builder is different so in reality this estimate applies to me only.
:-)
Ron
Arizona
==========================
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Key
Subject: Kolb-List: xtra Quick Build hours?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Is there someone that can tell me how long the xtra quick build kit takes to
build?
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering A Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Martin" <kolbdriver@hotmail.com>
I'm in the market for a trailer for the Firestar II. Trying to decide which
axles to go with. A 24 footer with dual 5000 lb axles would be easier to
sell if later I needed to, but it would seem that this stiff suspension
would beat the plane to death on the road. The 3500 lb axles would seem to
give a softer ride. Any ideas???
Don Martin (covering the Firestar II)
>From: DCulver701@aol.com
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailering A Kolb
>Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:53:19 EST
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: DCulver701@aol.com
>
>Thanks George, for the great shots of Richard Swiderski,s custom built
>trailer. The trailer is very unique with great design features. Did you
>design &
>build it yourself, Richard? If You did, it was one heck of a nice job.
>What
>type of trailer did you start with, or was it designed from the ground up?
>I
>didn't see any dimensions for length & width, weight, or materials used?
>Is
>that available someplace? Again , thanks George for posting the pictures.
>Best
>regards. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year everyone. Dave Culver
>
>
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