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1. 06:51 AM - Key West Tach Signal (Cat36Fly@aol.com)
2. 10:23 AM - 503 Questions... (David Lehman)
3. 11:26 AM - MK III for sale on Barnstormers (John Cooley)
4. 11:58 AM - Re: MK III for sale on Barnstormers (gtalexander@att.net)
5. 01:54 PM - fuel sump (Paul Petty)
6. 02:10 PM - Re: fuel sump (bryan green)
7. 02:13 PM - fuel sump (Paul Petty)
8. 04:31 PM - Re: fuel sump (Tom Brandon)
9. 04:47 PM - Re: 503 Questions... (Ralph)
10. 05:04 PM - Re: fuel sump (Don Gherardini)
11. 05:07 PM - Re: 503 Questions... (David Lehman)
12. 05:38 PM - Re: fuel sump (John Hauck)
13. 06:12 PM - Re: fuel sump (Tom Brandon)
14. 06:19 PM - Re: fuel sump (John Hauck)
15. 06:44 PM - Re: 503 Questions... (Richard Pike)
16. 07:14 PM - Kolb Flyer Question. (Bruce n' Kathy)
17. 07:39 PM - Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (John Abbott)
18. 07:39 PM - Re: 503 Questions... (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
19. 08:01 PM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
20. 08:12 PM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (John Hauck)
21. 08:32 PM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (Larry Cottrell)
22. 08:35 PM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (Jim Baker)
23. 08:41 PM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (Gene Beenenga)
24. 08:55 PM - Re: Kolb Flyer Question. (woody)
25. 08:57 PM - Re: Key West Tach Signal (Denny Rowe)
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| Subject: | Key West Tach Signal |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
Has anyone got a trick for getting a reliable tachometer signal from a Key
West Regulator ? I am using the lighting coil signal (Rotax 582) to drive an
analog tach but want to use the one on my ESI also. Kuntzleman believes it can
be done but Grand Rapids Technologies says I need a different rectifier
(Tympanium 3 phase). Any past experience here?
Larry Tasker
N615 RT
MKlllx 582
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| Subject: | 503 Questions... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
I have a 503 with a belt drive on my Firestar...
Questions:
1. May I run the engine without the prop installed?...
2. What grease should I use in the two drive shaft bearings (fortunately
they have zerks)...
Thanx...
DVD
do not archive
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| Subject: | MK III for sale on Barnstormers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hey Folks,
Just saw this on Barnstormers. Looks like a good deal.
Do not archive.
Later,
John
KOLB MARK III $12,500 MUST SELL 1994 Kolb Mark III Blue Head 582 165
hours with electric start. 2 blade warp drive prop. Nice flyer, 20 gallon
fuel tank, steel landing gears. Alitmeter, compass, water temp, EIS. Runs
and flies great. Garmin GPS III with mounts. (not seprating) Selling because
I left on mission field and plane is sitting at home. I will consider best
offer. Plane is located in South east PA. Email for pictures. I had trouble
downloading pictures so just email me for pictures. Contact Joel Reed -
located Manheim, PA USA Telephone: 717-665-2442 Posted January 5, 2006
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| Subject: | Re: MK III for sale on Barnstormers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: gtalexander@att.net
Kolbers:
Assuming that it is the same MK III that Joel flew to Homer's this past summer,
you can see a picture at:
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbplanes/Kolb2005_Genl_26.html
George Alexander
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley"
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> Hey Folks,
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> Just saw this on Barnstormers. Looks like a good deal.
> Do not archive.
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> Later,
> John
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> KOLB MARK III $12,500 MUST SELL 1994 Kolb Mark III Blue Head 582 165
> hours with electric start. 2 blade warp drive prop. Nice flyer, 20 gallon
> fuel tank, steel landing gears. Alitmeter, compass, water temp, EIS. Runs
> and flies great. Garmin GPS III with mounts. (not seprating) Selling because
> I left on mission field and plane is sitting at home. I will consider best
> offer. Plane is located in South east PA. Email for pictures. I had trouble
> downloading pictures so just email me for pictures. Contact Joel Reed -
> located Manheim, PA USA Telephone: 717-665-2442 Posted January 5, 2006
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Kolbers:
Assuming that it is the same MK III that Joel flew to Homer's this past summer,
you can see a picture at:
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbplanes/Kolb2005_Genl_26.html
George Alexander
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-------------- Original message from "John Cooley" johnc@datasync.com: --------------
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <JOHNC@DATASYNC.COM>
Hey Folks,
Just saw this on Barnstormers. Looks like a good deal.
Do not archive.
Later,
John
KOLB MARK III $12,500 MUST SELL 1994 Kolb Mark III Blue Head 582 165
hours with electric start. 2 blade warp drive prop. Nice flyer, 20 gallon
fuel tank, steel landing gears. Alitmeter, compass, water temp, EIS. Runs
and flies great. Garmin GPS III with mounts. (not seprating) Selling because
I left on mission field and plane is sitting at home. I will consider best
offer. Plane is located in South east PA. Email for pictures. I had trouble
downloading pictures so just email me
for pictures. Contact Joel Reed -
located Manheim, PA USA Telephone: 717-665-2442 Posted January 5, 2006
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required 4.6, BAYES_44 -0.00, HTML_60_70 0.11, HTML_MESSAGE 0.25)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Howdy Kolbers,
Finished up my fuel system for Ms Dixie and thought I would share some photos of
my fuel sump.
First we milled a block of aluminum and cross drilled the ports 2 on top.
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P1040001.JPG
One for the fuel drain valve on the bottom.
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P1040002.JPG
Then drilled the mounting holes
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P1040003.JPG
Mounted
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P1040005.JPG
Ta Da!
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P1040006.JPG
This uses the sample cup like a Cessna uses.
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Looks good Paul fine piece of work. Do not archive
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: fuel sump
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Howdy Kolbers,
> Finished up my fuel system for Ms Dixie and thought I would share some
> photos of my fuel sump.
>
> First we milled a block of aluminum and cross drilled the ports 2 on top.
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P1040001.JPG
>
> One for the fuel drain valve on the bottom.
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P1040002.JPG
>
> Then drilled the mounting holes
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P1040003.JPG
>
> Mounted
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P1040005.JPG
>
> Ta Da!
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P1040006.JPG
>
> This uses the sample cup like a Cessna uses.
>
> Paul Petty
> Building Ms. Dixie
> Kolbra/912UL/Warp
> www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Thanks Bryan,
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Tom Brandon <tombrandon@mac.com>
Good idea Paul, but I would would have kept the the drains separate.
That way you could tell which tank was making water or trash. Also,
if one valve leaks you won't run out of fuel. It wouldn't weigh
anymore, just another valve.
Just something to think about.
Tom
On Jan 5, 2006, at 3:52 PM, Paul Petty wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Howdy Kolbers,
> Finished up my fuel system for Ms Dixie and thought I would share
> some photos of my fuel sump.
>
> First we milled a block of aluminum and cross drilled the ports 2
> on top.
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P1040001.JPG
>
> One for the fuel drain valve on the bottom.
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P1040002.JPG
>
> Then drilled the mounting holes
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P1040003.JPG
>
> Mounted
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P1040005.JPG
>
> Ta Da!
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P1040006.JPG
>
> This uses the sample cup like a Cessna uses.
>
> Paul Petty
> Building Ms. Dixie
> Kolbra/912UL/Warp
> www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
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| Subject: | Re: 503 Questions... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
Dave,
I'm wondering why you decided to go with a belt drive over the reliable Rotax gear
box?
I don't check the list that often and maybe you explained this a while ago.
Ralph
Original Firestar
19 years flying it
-- David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
I have a 503 with a belt drive on my Firestar...
Questions:
1. May I run the engine without the prop installed?...
2. What grease should I use in the two drive shaft bearings (fortunately
they have zerks)...
Thanx...
DVD
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Paul...that is about a dandy Idea.....good work too!
did your wife think that up for you?......:-)
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: 503 Questions... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
Ralph...
It's kinda like "run what you brung"...
I just bought this Firestar and that's what's on it...
David
On 1/5/06, Ralph <ul15rhb@juno.com> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
>
> Dave,
>
> I'm wondering why you decided to go with a belt drive over the reliable
> Rotax gear box?
>
> I don't check the list that often and maybe you explained this a while
> ago.
>
> Ralph
> Original Firestar
> 19 years flying it
>
>
> -- David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
>
> I have a 503 with a belt drive on my Firestar...
>
> Questions:
>
> 1. May I run the engine without the prop installed?...
>
> 2. What grease should I use in the two drive shaft bearings (fortunately
> they have zerks)...
>
> Thanx...
>
> DVD
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
separate.
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Hi Tom/Gang:
I don't think Paul will mind if I respond to your suggestion.
Paul has looped the fuel line around the tail boom with the drain in
the bottom. Only has one fuel tank. So.......fuel is coming down one
side and back ukp the other.
I did this with my MKIII when I built it. However, I was not near as
fancy as Paul. Instead of the machined block of aluminum, I put a "T"
fitting, then ran a drain line forward to the lowest point of the
fuselage, which was between the gear legs. Near the end of the drain
line and inside the fuselage I installed a Briggs and Stratton nylon
fuel shut off valve. Works great.
Take care,
john h
hauck's holler, alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Tom Brandon <tombrandon@mac.com>
OOOPS!
Put my foot in my mouth. Sorry. I thought it had two fuel tanks.
Shows you I have a lot to learn. Some Kolbs have 2 tanks don't they?
Tom
On Jan 5, 2006, at 7:38 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | Good idea Paul, but I would would have kept the the drains
> separate.
> | Tom
>
> Hi Tom/Gang:
>
> I don't think Paul will mind if I respond to your suggestion.
>
> Paul has looped the fuel line around the tail boom with the drain in
> the bottom. Only has one fuel tank. So.......fuel is coming down one
> side and back ukp the other.
>
> I did this with my MKIII when I built it. However, I was not near as
> fancy as Paul. Instead of the machined block of aluminum, I put a "T"
> fitting, then ran a drain line forward to the lowest point of the
> fuselage, which was between the gear legs. Near the end of the drain
> line and inside the fuselage I installed a Briggs and Stratton nylon
> fuel shut off valve. Works great.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Kolbs have 2 tanks don't they?
| Tom
Hi Tom/All:
Yes, the standard configuration for the Kolbra is two plastic jugs.
Same for the MKIII and the FSII.
Ten gallons won't get you very far, so a lot of us come up with much
larger fuel systems.
Take care,
john h
MKIII
Titus, AL
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| Subject: | Re: 503 Questions... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Don't know about the grease. But be careful if you give it any gas, it
will go past the redline quicker than you could imagine.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
David Lehman wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
>
>I have a 503 with a belt drive on my Firestar...
>
>Questions:
>
>1. May I run the engine without the prop installed?...
>
>2. What grease should I use in the two drive shaft bearings (fortunately
>they have zerks)...
>
>Thanx...
>
>DVD
>
>
>do not archive
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| Subject: | Kolb Flyer Question. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce n' Kathy" <n3nrr@erols.com>
Hi and I found a Kolb Flyer for a Reasonable price, and was wondering if
it would be worth owning. I already own two Ultrastars and will
hopefully be flying Them by this summer. I finally got enough traning
in a Quicksilver and have been flying solo to get comfortable with 3
axis.
I was wondering if anyone out there would like to coontact me off list
and tell me some of the pro's and cons of the flyer.
I was kinda wanting to also have it as a collectors Item. The previous
owner was told He could no longer fly it HE was fling it till he turned
91, It needs Tons of TLC and rebuild from inside out.
I would like to call you on my dime if possible, CUZ I hate typing.
PS there sure was a lot of good discussion on 2 stroke vs 4 stroke and
all comments were valuable.
Bruce Maryland
Lurker for last 4 years
Trike, PPC and now 3 axis
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| Subject: | Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott" <jacksbird@charter.net>
Over the last 9 months that I have been on the "list", the subject of installing
larger gas plastic tanks has been fully discussed but some how I missed the
final conclusion(s). I am building an Xtra and I'm very close to covering the
cage, so knowing the "final" answer is becoming paramount.
Question: Are there "sturdy" (safe) gas tanks available that have a capacity larger
the 5 gallons and will fit in the cage without any significant modifications?
If so.. would you recommend them? How can I find them?
Again, I don't want to start a debate but rather just understand your personal
conclusions.
Thanks in advance for your sharing your wisdom.
John Abbott
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| Subject: | Re: 503 Questions... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Dave I wouldnt even think of starting that engine without a prop on it if
your carb is just cracked open a bit it could race beyond red line Be a sharp
pain and a Puff of smoke then you could be looking at purchasing another engine
as far as the Grease for your bearings I would use RED Tacky if you can get
it in your area if not any Premium RB quality grease would be ok
Ellery in Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
I did find a 10 gallon tank that fit my original firestar with little
modification I purchased it from Air-Tech,inc
Phone
985-536-3994
the Item number is FU825 and it cost me a total of 95.68 tax and all You can
go to there website and get an eye on it before you order one at
www.air-techinc.com
Ellery In Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
capacity larger the 5 gallons and will fit in the cage without any
significant modifications? If so.. would you recommend them? How can I
find them?
|
| John Abbott
Hi John A/Gang:
I have no personal knowledge of larger plastic tanks that will fit our
airplanes. Perhaps others on the Kolb List will give you some help in
that area.
Most of the folks I know fabricated aluminum tanks to fit their
particular needs.
john h
MKIII
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <ElleryWeld@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
> the Item number is FU825 and it cost me a total of 95.68 tax and all You
> can
> go to there website and get an eye on it before you order one at
> www.air-techinc.com
>
> Ellery In Maine
>
> do not archive
>
I went to the site and looked at the tank. Strangely enough the one with the
part number FU825GT cost more, but it is the same tank. What modifications
did you have to do?
Thanks
Larry, Or
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@telepath.com>
> Question: Are there "sturdy" (safe) gas tanks available that have a
> capacity larger the 5 gallons and will fit in the cage without any
> significant modifications? If so.. would you recommend them? How
can I
> find them?
http://www.ronco-plastics.com/
All these are HDPE plastics, same as the supplied tanks. They have
a size/volume calculator......
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
'71 SV, 492TC
Elmore City, OK
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga <kgbunltd@earthlink.net>
John, try Summit automotive parts supply, their plastic tanks are designed and
used in race cars, have impact resistance, anti-spill valving in case of being
inverted and also have electric sending units available, and sizes up to 15 or
20 gallon. i have installed their 5 gallon model in the Piet i am building.
also filler cap is large, sealed against spillage and is locking. Gene
-----Original Message-----
>From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>Sent: Jan 5, 2006 10:11 PM
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>capacity larger the 5 gallons and will fit in the cage without any
>significant modifications? If so.. would you recommend them? How can I
>find them?
>| John Abbott
>
>Hi John A/Gang:
>
>I have no personal knowledge of larger plastic tanks that will fit our
>airplanes. Perhaps others on the Kolb List will give you some help in
>that area.
>
>Most of the folks I know fabricated aluminum tanks to fit their
>particular needs.
>
>john h
>MKIII
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Flyer Question. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Dennis and I are probably the only ones on the list that have built and
flown a Flyer. As the designer Dennis would be the best one to give you
advice. However if you rebuild it to fly it I would be sure it has the Solo
engines. Solo is the engine name not the configuration. All Flyers had twin
engines. The little Chryslers were not dependable. I would also add a few
full ribs rather than the partial ribs the design called for. The lift
struts seemed skimpy but were probably calculated to take the stress. I
would still go to 1 1/8 tube for the front struts. I have home movies of my
flyer and it seems there is a lot of movement in the tail boom. If the cage
can be modified and the C.G. worked out perhaps a 5" tube would be better.
Hopefully Dennis will comment on this project. Homer once told me he felt
the fabric was the weak part of the design. I proved the crashworthiness of
the flyer also. It was the first but not the last time I played lawn dart
with a Kolb. There is a Flyer at TNK if you make it down to the next
homecoming you can see it. Good luck.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce n' Kathy" <n3nrr@erols.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Flyer Question.
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce n' Kathy" <n3nrr@erols.com>
>
> Hi and I found a Kolb Flyer for a Reasonable price, and was wondering if
> it would be worth owning. I already own two Ultrastars and will
> hopefully be flying Them by this summer. I finally got enough traning
> in a Quicksilver and have been flying solo to get comfortable with 3
> axis.
> I was wondering if anyone out there would like to coontact me off list
> and tell me some of the pro's and cons of the flyer.
> I was kinda wanting to also have it as a collectors Item. The previous
> owner was told He could no longer fly it HE was fling it till he turned
> 91, It needs Tons of TLC and rebuild from inside out.
> I would like to call you on my dime if possible, CUZ I hate typing.
>
> PS there sure was a lot of good discussion on 2 stroke vs 4 stroke and
> all comments were valuable.
>
>
> Bruce Maryland
> Lurker for last 4 years
> Trike, PPC and now 3 axis
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> --
03/01/2006
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Key West Tach Signal |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <Cat36Fly@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Key West Tach Signal
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
>
> Has anyone got a trick for getting a reliable tachometer signal from a Key
> West Regulator ? I am using the lighting coil signal (Rotax 582) to drive
> an
> analog tach but want to use the one on my ESI also. Kuntzleman believes it
> can
> be done but Grand Rapids Technologies says I need a different rectifier
> (Tympanium 3 phase). Any past experience here?
>
> Larry Tasker
> N615 RT
> MKlllx 582
>
>
> Larry,
I do not have any experience with the Key West unit but have heard of others
having problems with them in the past.
I have come to find the folks at Grand Rapids Tech to be very reliable.
I place a high value on their advice and would pay heed to their
suggestions.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3
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