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1. 05:04 AM - Re: Key West Tach Signal (Cat36Fly@aol.com)
2. 05:46 AM - Re: 503 Questions... (David Lehman)
3. 05:50 AM - Re: Key West Tach Signal (gtalexander@att.net)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (David Lehman)
5. 05:57 AM - Re: fuel sump (Paul Petty)
6. 06:05 AM - Re: 503 Questions... (gtalexander@att.net)
7. 06:05 AM - Re: Key West Tach Signal (Cat36Fly@aol.com)
8. 06:06 AM - greasy (Paul Petty)
9. 06:15 AM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (Wayne T. McCullough)
10. 06:22 AM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (Paul Petty)
11. 06:25 AM - Re: 503 Questions... (Don Gherardini)
12. 06:25 AM - Re: Key West Tach Signal (snuffy@usol.com)
13. 06:33 AM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (Wayne T. McCullough)
14. 07:19 AM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
15. 07:23 AM - Re: 503 Questions... (David Lehman)
16. 07:26 AM - Re: greasy (David Lehman)
17. 08:07 AM - Re: Kolb Flyer Question. (David Lehman)
18. 08:12 AM - Re: Key West Tach Signal (Jack B. Hart)
19. 08:38 AM - Re: 503 Questions... (Don Gherardini)
20. 08:42 AM - MV (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
21. 08:46 AM - hydrocarbons (boyd)
22. 08:54 AM - Re: 503 Questions... (David Lehman)
23. 10:58 AM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (ray anderson)
24. 11:27 AM - Re: MV (pat ladd)
25. 01:40 PM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (John Hauck)
26. 01:57 PM - Re: MV/Fourth Annual Kolb Unplanned/Unorganized Flying (KU/UFMV) (John Hauck)
27. 02:20 PM - MV/Fourth Annual Kolb Unplanned/Unorganized Flyin 2006 (cont) (John Hauck)
28. 02:21 PM - Re: MV (John Hauck)
29. 02:36 PM - Re: 503 Questions... (John Hauck)
30. 02:43 PM - biglar (robert bean)
31. 02:45 PM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (Dan Charter)
32. 02:55 PM - Weather (Vic Peters)
33. 03:11 PM - Re: Weather (John Hauck)
34. 04:16 PM - Re: 503 Questions... (Steve Garvelink)
35. 04:20 PM - Re: MV (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
36. 04:37 PM - Re: 503 Questions... (John Hauck)
37. 05:24 PM - Re: 503 Questions... (Don Gherardini)
38. 05:56 PM - Weather (Vic Peters)
39. 06:01 PM - Re: MV (George E. Thompson)
40. 06:11 PM - Re: Weather (John Hauck)
41. 06:12 PM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (John Abbott)
42. 06:22 PM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (David Key)
43. 06:52 PM - Re: Weather (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
44. 07:03 PM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (ray anderson)
45. 07:29 PM - 912 UL with 250 Hrs Listed on E-bay (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
46. 07:31 PM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (Dan Charter)
47. 08:17 PM - Ultra-Stork (John Hauck)
48. 09:03 PM - fuel monitored by GPS (Larry Cottrell)
49. 10:39 PM - Re: fuel monitored by GPS (Robert Laird)
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| Subject: | Re: Key West Tach Signal |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
Denny,
I agree that the Grand Rapids folks should know their equipment (same with
Kuntzelman ) but there is a vast pool of knowledge on this site and I am
fishing.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: 503 Questions... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
Thanx Richard and Ellery...
I know better than to try and run a "big airplane" engine without a prop,
but I wasn't sure about a "snowmobile" engine...
I'll start looking for the grease...
Thanx again...
DVD
On 1/5/06, ElleryWeld@aol.com <ElleryWeld@aol.com> wrote:
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
>
> Dave I wouldnt even think of starting that engine without a prop on it if
> your carb is just cracked open a bit it could race beyond red line Be a
> sharp
> pain and a Puff of smoke then you could be looking at purchasing another
> engine
> as far as the Grease for your bearings I would use RED Tacky if you can
> get
> it in your area if not any Premium RB quality grease would be ok
>
> Ellery in Maine
>
> do not archive
>
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> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Key West Tach Signal |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: gtalexander@att.net
Larry:
Maybe someone with vast electronic expertise can answer this, but I'm not sure
how you could get ANY tachometer to function on the OUTPUT of ANY rectifier.
I thought a tach reacts to interrupted or alternating conditions (current) and
a rectifier puts out uninterrupted current flow. Dick K? Jack H? I'm so confused.
George Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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> To:
> Subject: Kolb-List: Key West Tach Signal
>
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> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
> >
> > Has anyone got a trick for getting a reliable tachometer signal from a Key
> > West Regulator ? I am using the lighting coil signal (Rotax 582) to drive
> > an
> > analog tach but want to use the one on my ESI also. Kuntzleman believes it
> > can
> > be done but Grand Rapids Technologies says I need a different rectifier
> > (Tympanium 3 phase). Any past experience here?
> >
> > Larry Tasker
> > N615 RT
> > MKlllx 582
> >
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Larry:
Maybe someone with vast electronic expertise can answer this, but I'm not sure
how you could get ANY tachometer to function on theOUTPUT of ANY rectifier.I thought
atach reacts tointerruptedor alternating conditions (current)and a rectifier
puts out uninterrupted current flow. Dick K? Jack H? I'm so confused.
George Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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From: <CAT36FLY@AOL.COM>
To: <KOLB-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Kolb-List: Key West Tach Signal
-- Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
Has anyone got a trick for getting a reliable tachometer signal from a Key
West Regulator ? I am using the lighting coil signal (Rotax 582) to drive
an
analog tach but want to use the one on my ESI also. Kuntzleman believes it
can
be done but Grand Rapids Technologies says I need a different rectifier
(Tympanium 3 phase). Any past experience here?
Larry Tasker
N615 RT
MKlllx 582
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
I just installed the FU820 tank (8 gals.) between the wings and aft of the
front spar carry-through on my Firestar...
http://www.air-techinc.com/catlist.asp?categoryIDfueltanks&typexclusives
It sticks up in the airstream a little, but it's right in front of the 503
recoil starter...
I originally planned that the 8 gal. tank would be the aux. tank to the 6
gal. tank in the cage, but now I think the 8 gal. will be the primary and
the 6 gal. only used for the flights to Bora Bora...
DVD
On 1/5/06, ElleryWeld@aol.com <ElleryWeld@aol.com> wrote:
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
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> I did find a 10 gallon tank that fit my original firestar with little
> modification I purchased it from Air-Tech,inc
> Phone
> 985-536-3994
> the Item number is FU825 and it cost me a total of 95.68 tax and all You
> can
> go to there website and get an eye on it before you order one at
> www.air-techinc.com
>
> Ellery In Maine
>
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required 4.6, BAYES_01 -1.52)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Thanks Don. Wife's Idea? No way! This one wuz all mine!
Take Care
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From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: fuel sump
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Paul...that is about a dandy Idea.....good work too!
>
>
> did your wife think that up for you?......:-)
>
> Don Gherardini
> FireFly 098
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: 503 Questions... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: gtalexander@att.net
David:
Had two Quicksilvers with flex drives. On the recommendation of an expert, used
white lithium grease. Would also grease it without the prop. Would warm the
engine with the prop on, remove the prop and back the idle adjustment (slide
stop) out so that the slide would go down as far as it could reducing the idle
speed. As I recall, my R503, single carb, pts ign, would run at around 4k rpm
under these conditions. Don't over do the grease and don't forget to adjust
the idle stop when you put it all back together.
My .02 worth. May not work for you. Take your own chances.
George Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-------------- Original message from David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>: --------------
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman
>
> Thanx Richard and Ellery...
>
> I know better than to try and run a "big airplane" engine without a prop,
> but I wasn't sure about a "snowmobile" engine...
>
> I'll start looking for the grease...
>
> Thanx again...
>
> DVD
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David:
Had two Quicksilvers with flex drives. On the recommendation of an expert, used
white lithium grease. Would also grease it without the prop.Would warm the engine
with the prop on, remove the prop and back the idle adjustment (slide stop)
out so that the slide would go down as far as it could reducing the idle speed.
As I recall, my R503, single carb, pts ign,would run at around 4k rpm under
these conditions. Don't over do the grease and don't forget to adjust the idle
stop when you put it all back together.
My .02 worth. May not work for you. Take your own chances.
George Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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-- Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <DAVID@DAVIDLEHMAN.NET>
Thanx Richard and Ellery...
I know better than to try and run a "big airplane" engine without a prop,
but I wasn't sure about a "snowmobile" engine...
I'll start looking for the grease...
Thanx again...
DVD
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| Subject: | Re: Key West Tach Signal |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
George,
Unless I am reading the schematic wrong, the tach signal is tapped off the
input signal and that is what confuses me a bit. Why can I get a good signal
from one rectifier but not another? Evidently, the signal to a Key West gets
saturated (no cycles) at times resulting in some funky readouts. Inquiring
minds want to know.
Larry Tasker
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required 4.6, HTML_MESSAGE 0.25)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Dave/all,
I have a good recommendation for grease. Lucas Oil Products "Red N Tacky #2" part
number 10005. It's fortified with "Anti-Seize" and has a 540 degree drop point.
Caution though... Don't get it on anything you don't want it on cuz it aint
coming off! :-)
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough" <blackbird754@alltel.net>
Ok , on the fuel tanks....
I know that everyone has been building their own....However, I have replaced
the 2 5 gallon tanks in my Kolbra ...with the 10 gallon from C.G.S. Hawk
...because it has a fuel sump bowl built in it.....it is tall and
rectangular...however I have had to make a few modifications to make it
fit....cost is $ 95.00 plus shipping......
John H. and John W. are right ...I think that I will eventually put a 912 on
it....but for now........I will use the 582 blue head....LOL.
And Paul.P. thanks for some ideas , especially on the dash panel...hope you
don't mind....
Wayne McCullough
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Abbott" <jacksbird@charter.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott" <jacksbird@charter.net>
>
> Over the last 9 months that I have been on the "list", the subject of
> installing larger gas plastic tanks has been fully discussed but some how
> I missed the final conclusion(s). I am building an Xtra and I'm very close
> to covering the cage, so knowing the "final" answer is becoming paramount.
>
> Question: Are there "sturdy" (safe) gas tanks available that have a
> capacity larger the 5 gallons and will fit in the cage without any
> significant modifications? If so.. would you recommend them? How can I
> find them?
>
> Again, I don't want to start a debate but rather just understand your
> personal conclusions.
> Thanks in advance for your sharing your wisdom.
>
> John Abbott
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
required 4.6, BAYES_01 -1.52)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Wayne,
Not a problem at all. I must confess though, The panel was Mark Germans idea
hehehe..
pp
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne T. McCullough" <blackbird754@alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough"
<blackbird754@alltel.net>
>
> Ok , on the fuel tanks....
>
>
> I know that everyone has been building their own....However, I have
replaced
> the 2 5 gallon tanks in my Kolbra ...with the 10 gallon from C.G.S. Hawk
> ...because it has a fuel sump bowl built in it.....it is tall and
> rectangular...however I have had to make a few modifications to make it
> fit....cost is $ 95.00 plus shipping......
>
>
> John H. and John W. are right ...I think that I will eventually put a 912
on
> it....but for now........I will use the 582 blue head....LOL.
>
> And Paul.P. thanks for some ideas , especially on the dash panel...hope
you
> don't mind....
>
>
> Wayne McCullough
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Abbott" <jacksbird@charter.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott" <jacksbird@charter.net>
> >
> > Over the last 9 months that I have been on the "list", the subject of
> > installing larger gas plastic tanks has been fully discussed but some
how
> > I missed the final conclusion(s). I am building an Xtra and I'm very
close
> > to covering the cage, so knowing the "final" answer is becoming
paramount.
> >
> > Question: Are there "sturdy" (safe) gas tanks available that have a
> > capacity larger the 5 gallons and will fit in the cage without any
> > significant modifications? If so.. would you recommend them? How can I
> > find them?
> >
> > Again, I don't want to start a debate but rather just understand your
> > personal conclusions.
> > Thanks in advance for your sharing your wisdom.
> >
> > John Abbott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: 503 Questions... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
David,
For a long time fellas have be starting Rotax 503's without a prop...and
nothing but a centrifical clutch hooked to a varible sheave torque convertor
with no probs...just make sure the throttle slide is down and you are
operateing on the idle circuit. Not a big deal to anybody who understands a
snowmobile.
Don Gherardini
OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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| Subject: | Re: Key West Tach Signal |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
. I thought a tach
reacts to interrupted or alternating conditions (current) and a rectifier
puts out
uninterrupted current flow.
The output of a rectifier alone is a pulsing DC signal. When capacitors
and other types of filters are added it becomes a smooth dc signal.
Frequency and amplitude are the main concerns when feeding it into a
tach.
Do not
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough" <blackbird754@alltel.net>
At least we are on the same page...LOL
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Wayne,
> Not a problem at all. I must confess though, The panel was Mark Germans
> idea
> hehehe..
>
> pp
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wayne T. McCullough" <blackbird754@alltel.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough"
> <blackbird754@alltel.net>
>>
>> Ok , on the fuel tanks....
>>
>>
>> I know that everyone has been building their own....However, I have
> replaced
>> the 2 5 gallon tanks in my Kolbra ...with the 10 gallon from C.G.S. Hawk
>> ...because it has a fuel sump bowl built in it.....it is tall and
>> rectangular...however I have had to make a few modifications to make it
>> fit....cost is $ 95.00 plus shipping......
>>
>>
>> John H. and John W. are right ...I think that I will eventually put a 912
> on
>> it....but for now........I will use the 582 blue head....LOL.
>>
>> And Paul.P. thanks for some ideas , especially on the dash panel...hope
> you
>> don't mind....
>>
>>
>> Wayne McCullough
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Abbott" <jacksbird@charter.net>
>> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
>>
>>
>> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott" <jacksbird@charter.net>
>> >
>> > Over the last 9 months that I have been on the "list", the subject of
>> > installing larger gas plastic tanks has been fully discussed but some
> how
>> > I missed the final conclusion(s). I am building an Xtra and I'm very
> close
>> > to covering the cage, so knowing the "final" answer is becoming
> paramount.
>> >
>> > Question: Are there "sturdy" (safe) gas tanks available that have a
>> > capacity larger the 5 gallons and will fit in the cage without any
>> > significant modifications? If so.. would you recommend them? How can I
>> > find them?
>> >
>> > Again, I don't want to start a debate but rather just understand your
>> > personal conclusions.
>> > Thanks in advance for your sharing your wisdom.
>> >
>> > John Abbott
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
I removed a couple tubes and built a bottom Mount to hold the tank Higher
and that tank it plenty thick without going overboard and it has a great place
to install a drain in the bottom to get all the moisture out on preflights if
you happen to get any
Ellery In Maine
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| Subject: | Re: 503 Questions... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
Thanx Don...
I'm in "Lovely" Fresno so I'm not very conversant with snowmobiles...
I have to remove my prop to get the Firestar in and out of my garage (wings
folded), but it sounds like I better install it to run the engine in my
driveway...
Thanx...
DVD
On 1/6/06, Don Gherardini <donghe@one-eleven.net> wrote:
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> David,
>
> For a long time fellas have be starting Rotax 503's without a prop...and
> nothing but a centrifical clutch hooked to a varible sheave torque
> convertor
> with no probs...just make sure the throttle slide is down and you are
> operateing on the idle circuit. Not a big deal to anybody who understands
> a
> snowmobile.
>
> Don Gherardini
> OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
> American Honda Engines
> Power Equipment Company
> CortLand, Illinois
> 800-626-7326
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
Thanx Paul...
Your suggestion backs up Ellery's advice...
Thanx...
DVD
On 1/6/06, Paul Petty <lynnp@c-gate.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Dave/all,
>
> I have a good recommendation for grease. Lucas Oil Products "Red N Tacky
> #2" part number 10005. It's fortified with "Anti-Seize" and has a 540
> degree drop point. Caution though... Don't get it on anything you don't want
> it on cuz it aint coming off! :-)
>
> Paul Petty
> Building Ms. Dixie
> Kolbra/912UL/Warp
> www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Flyer Question. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
Bruce...
If you buy the Flyer and get in a bind for information, I have an original
set of Flyer plans...
Remember, the wings DO NOT fold on the Flyer...
DVD
On 1/5/06, woody <duesouth@govital.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> Dennis and I are probably the only ones on the list that have built
> and
> flown a Flyer. As the designer Dennis would be the best one to give you
> advice. However if you rebuild it to fly it I would be sure it has the
> Solo
> engines. Solo is the engine name not the configuration. All Flyers had
> twin
> engines. The little Chryslers were not dependable. I would also add a few
> full ribs rather than the partial ribs the design called for. The lift
> struts seemed skimpy but were probably calculated to take the stress. I
> would still go to 1 1/8 tube for the front struts. I have home movies of
> my
> flyer and it seems there is a lot of movement in the tail boom. If the
> cage
> can be modified and the C.G. worked out perhaps a 5" tube would be better.
> Hopefully Dennis will comment on this project. Homer once told me he felt
> the fabric was the weak part of the design. I proved the crashworthiness
> of
> the flyer also. It was the first but not the last time I played lawn dart
> with a Kolb. There is a Flyer at TNK if you make it down to the next
> homecoming you can see it. Good luck.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce n' Kathy" <n3nrr@erols.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Flyer Question.
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce n' Kathy" <n3nrr@erols.com>
> >
> > Hi and I found a Kolb Flyer for a Reasonable price, and was wondering if
> > it would be worth owning. I already own two Ultrastars and will
> > hopefully be flying Them by this summer. I finally got enough traning
> > in a Quicksilver and have been flying solo to get comfortable with 3
> > axis.
> > I was wondering if anyone out there would like to coontact me off list
> > and tell me some of the pro's and cons of the flyer.
> > I was kinda wanting to also have it as a collectors Item. The previous
> > owner was told He could no longer fly it HE was fling it till he turned
> > 91, It needs Tons of TLC and rebuild from inside out.
> > I would like to call you on my dime if possible, CUZ I hate typing.
> >
> > PS there sure was a lot of good discussion on 2 stroke vs 4 stroke and
> > all comments were valuable.
> >
> >
> > Bruce Maryland
> > Lurker for last 4 years
> > Trike, PPC and now 3 axis
> >
> > Do not archive.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Key West Tach Signal |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
At 01:49 PM 1/6/06 +0000, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: gtalexander@att.net
>
>Larry:
>Maybe someone with vast electronic expertise can answer this, but I'm not sure
how you could get ANY tachometer to function on the OUTPUT of ANY rectifier.
I thought a tach reacts to interrupted or alternating conditions (current) and
a rectifier puts out uninterrupted current flow. Dick K? Jack H? I'm so confused.
>George Alexander
George,
I can't help unconfuse you. I gave up and mounted a tinytach.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: 503 Questions... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
One more thing David....withn no load on the 503, the 6500 redline could be
exceeded alot with no damage....it is under load and cylinder pressure that
you need to be careful. So dont be afraid to hit the throttle a tad to see
if it will take. But remember this...it will give you no indication of a
correct carb setup running it this way. Once you put the prop on it and you
have a load, it will be all different.
Don Gherardini
OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Hey Guys,
Are we set for May 19th thru 21st at MV? As far as I'm concerned, those are
good dates. Also, where are you tent guys gonna camp? If you're gonna camp
in the Tent area, then I'd like to reserve RV spots close to that. On the other
hand, if you're gonna camp up where Jim had his trailer, then I'd like to
get close to that. Whaddaya think?
AzDave
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net>
But........I don't look at it as hydrocarbons out the pipe, but where
those hydrocarbons took me. Worth every penny of that nearly
$17,000.00.
I look at it as 17,000.00 of hydrocarbons sucked into the carbs.. and
17,000.00 of h2o and co2 with a smathering of co and c blown out the
pipes.
Do not archive
Boyd
And like john,,,, worth every penny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: 503 Questions... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
Excellent advice, thanx Don...
DVD
On 1/6/06, Don Gherardini <donghe@one-eleven.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> One more thing David....withn no load on the 503, the 6500 redline could
> be
> exceeded alot with no damage....it is under load and cylinder pressure
> that
> you need to be careful. So dont be afraid to hit the throttle a tad to see
> if it will take. But remember this...it will give you no indication of a
> correct carb setup running it this way. Once you put the prop on it and
> you
> have a load, it will be all different.
>
> Don Gherardini
> OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
> American Honda Engines
> Power Equipment Company
> CortLand, Illinois
> 800-626-7326
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Why not custom make, fit to usable space, a fibre glass tank. I made my first when
I built my Rutan Quickie. Called out by Rutan in the plans. Can't get a better
tank designer than Rutan. You use a core material of the dense 1/4 " foam,
with one or two layers of light cloth on each side. Easy to put baffles inside
before installing the top piece. Various outlet fittings can easily be fixed
in place. Mounting brackets can be custom placed. Stronger than metal in a crash
situation. I built two others later, one large one for my first UltraStar
and all gave good service. All of the proper materials, epoxy, foam and glass
are available at all aircraft supply houses such as Aircraft Spruce. You can
design to fill every available inch of space.
Ray
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Gene Beenenga <kgbunltd@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga
John, try Summit automotive parts supply, their plastic tanks are designed and
used in race cars, have impact resistance, anti-spill valving in case of being
inverted and also have electric sending units available, and sizes up to 15 or
20 gallon. i have installed their 5 gallon model in the Piet i am building.
also filler cap is large, sealed against spillage and is locking. Gene
-----Original Message-----
>From: John Hauck
>Sent: Jan 5, 2006 10:11 PM
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
>
>capacity larger the 5 gallons and will fit in the cage without any
>significant modifications? If so.. would you recommend them? How can I
>find them?
>| John Abbott
>
>Hi John A/Gang:
>
>I have no personal knowledge of larger plastic tanks that will fit our
>airplanes. Perhaps others on the Kolb List will give you some help in
>that area.
>
>Most of the folks I know fabricated aluminum tanks to fit their
>particular needs.
>
>john h
>MKIII
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
---------------------------------
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Are we set for May 19th thru 21st at MV?>>
Hi All and a Happy New Year.
Can anyone let me have info on MV. Apart from being spectacular and a long
way from anywhere else ....well...thats it.
What accomodation is there? Do I have to rent a trailer? What do you all do
apart from fly , early and late presumably, and talk.
That sounds OK by me if someone can find me a spare seat and get my feet
off the ground accasionally but it is Wendy`s vacation as well and just
driving around a desert in the heat looking at rocks is not going to appeal
to her for long.
Anyone point me in the right direction or maybe the Kolb fly-in later in
the year is a better bet?
Latest on my plane. She looks lovely, by the way. Permission to test fly
was requested last November. Officialdom sat on it for almost a month and
then returned the form as I had not signed it. Jumpin` Jehosophat! Returned
the form last Dec 5th. After several pokes from Kiwi Mick, who wants to
get my plane out of his hangar, a phone call yesterday elicited the promise
that the Permission will be granted today (Friday) so I may get it tomorrow.
I am not holding my breath. Bureaucracy!
The weather now is pretty poor so when testing actually takes place in the
lap of the gods.
So whats new?
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
You can design to fill every available inch of space.
| Ray
Ray A/Gang:
You are absolutely right. When one has a little airplane one must use
"every available inch of space". That goes, not only fuel, but all
the other stuff one wants and needs to take with them should they
decide they want to do a little cross country flying, especially
overnight. There is a lot of useable room when one takes advantage of
it. If done improperly, then a lot of space is wasted. The basic
Kolb design was not intended to do extended cross country flying and
carry cargo. Look at all the Kolb Models. The designers did not take
fuel and cargo into consideration. This is left up to the kit builder
should he decide to do more than what Homer Kolb had intended for us
to do with his airplanes. I don't think he ever realized what some of
these little birds would accomplish over the years, especially back in
the dark ages of the early 1980's.
The time to start planning on what you want and need is prior to
building the kit. Once it is completed, it is a little late to start
modifying the original design.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: MV/Fourth Annual Kolb Unplanned/Unorganized Flying (KU/UFMV) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Patrick L/Gang:
Shucks! Thought Patrick had been lost in the fog in Great Britain.
But, lo and behold, here he is again.
Patrick, the best source of info on what is happening in Monument
Valley and the surrounding area can be found at the Gouldings web
site:
Gouldings is our headquarters during the Kolb Unplanned/Unorganized
Flyin. This will be the Fourth Annual KU/UFMV. So far having a flyin
that requires not work, no duties, no dues, no nothing, but to be
there and really have a great time with some other folks that build,
fly, and love our little Kolb airplanes, has turned out to be the best
there is to offer.
Everyone is certainly welcome. However, is is not a flyin for people
who are not interested in Kolbs. It is not our job to see to it that
"others" are entertained. There is no job allocated and designated
for that.
However, I am sure everyone that comes to Monument Valley will enjoy
what MV has to offer. In addition, there are a lot of other unique
places to visit in the area that are very entertaining and enjoyable,
Grand Canyon, Lake Powell, Painted Desert, Valley of the Gods, Moab
with Arches National Park and Canyon Lands National Park, Las Vegas,
Death Valley, and on and on.
Gouldings has everything to offer Kolb cross country flyers, a 4,000
ft airstrip, auto fuel across the street from the airstrip, general
store, lodge, resturant, RV park, indoor pool, laundrymat, camp store,
and many, many tours that start and end at the lodge.
Hope you decide to join us. Everyone is welcome.
BTW: The weather has been perfect the last three years. We expect
the have the same kind of weather this year.
Take care,
john h
hauck's holler, alabama
----- Original Message -----
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV
| --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
|
| Are we set for May 19th thru 21st at MV?>>
|
| Hi All and a Happy New Year.
|
| Can anyone let me have info on MV. Apart from being spectacular and
a long
| way from anywhere else ....well...thats it.
|
| What accomodation is there? Do I have to rent a trailer? What do you
all do
| apart from fly , early and late presumably, and talk.
|
| That sounds OK by me if someone can find me a spare seat and get my
feet
| off the ground accasionally but it is Wendy`s vacation as well and
just
| driving around a desert in the heat looking at rocks is not going to
appeal
| to her for long.
|
| Anyone point me in the right direction or maybe the Kolb fly-in
later in
| the year is a better bet?
|
| Latest on my plane. She looks lovely, by the way. Permission to
test fly
| was requested last November. Officialdom sat on it for almost a
month and
| then returned the form as I had not signed it. Jumpin` Jehosophat!
Returned
| the form last Dec 5th. After several pokes from Kiwi Mick, who
wants to
| get my plane out of his hangar, a phone call yesterday elicited the
promise
| that the Permission will be granted today (Friday) so I may get it
tomorrow.
| I am not holding my breath. Bureaucracy!
| The weather now is pretty poor so when testing actually takes place
in the
| lap of the gods.
|
| So whats new?
|
| Pat
|
| do not archive
|
|
|
| --
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | MV/Fourth Annual Kolb Unplanned/Unorganized Flyin 2006 (cont) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Patrick, the best source of info on what is happening in Monument
| Valley and the surrounding area can be found at the Gouldings web
| site:
http://www.gouldings.com/english/index.htm
Sorry about that. Nuthin' new, my forgetfulness!!!!!!!!!!
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| AzDave
Hi Dave/Gang:
As far as I know, those are the dates we decided on.
I plan to get there on Thursday, 18 May, more or less. ;-)
john h
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| Subject: | Re: 503 Questions... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
could be
| exceeded alot with no damage....
|
| Don Gherardini
Hi Don G/Gang:
You need to explain this exception to exceeding the red line please.
First, the red line on all the Rotax two strokes is 6,800 rpm for 5
minutes, and 6,500 max continuous.
This may be something new, but all I have ever been taught and know of
red lines is just that, do not exceed the red line. Nothing has ever
been mentioned of loaded or unloaded exceptions.
I know there are exceptions for the four strokes and probably the two
strokes also, but can not recite them off the top of my head. This
applies to rpm, egt, cht, oil temp, and for the 582, water temp.
If any of you have any specific questions you would like me to ask
Erick Tucker, instructor for Rotax two and four strokes schools,
please let me know. I will do my best to get him to answer them for
me and report back when I get the answers.
Paul Petty, his pappy-in-law Charley, and I will be attending the 912
course at South Mississippi Light Aircraft the end of this month, in
Lucedale, MS. This will be the third time around for Paul and I.
Reckon we will ever get it right?
;-)
One of the best advantages of attending one of these schools is the
additional info one picks up from Erick that is not in the manuals.
Erick is a good instructor and has been the Rotax from the very
beginning. I remember an article in one of the magazines about Erick
and how he was starting up a new company to use Rotax engines for
little airplanes in Vernon, BC. I have been looking for this old mag
during my sorting and throwing operation, but have not been able to
put my finger on it. This would have been in the 1983 time frame.
BTW: Richard Swidersky, I have not forgotten (entirely) about the
Experiment with you and the Flying Stork (his Ultrastar with very long
legs) on the back cover. It will be mailed to you pretty soon, I
hope.
Take care,
john h
MKIII
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Kolbers, this evening is to not to pity Mr Bourne but to wallow
in envy. 81 degrees and sunny. Lar, sho' do wisht I had
that renta car and reservation at the motel cheapo tonight.
If it weren't for burying myself in house reconstruction and
swilling cheap beer I'da took the bridge. It's been overcast
for something like 3 weeks straight here and SAD is more
like suicidal. The Kolb is covered with 2 inches of sawdust
from the saws.
Durn, wher'd I put that scotch.
-BB, still got all my fingers
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
The alcohol in most auto gas will turn the glass tanks to mush, Or that's
what I'm told. We get 91oct non ox. here but I guess most people don't get
this at their pumps. The non ox won't destroy fiber glass tanks. Do Not
Archive.
Dan Charter
Original Firestar
Chisholm MN
----- Original Message -----
From: "ray anderson" <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
>
> Why not custom make, fit to usable space, a fibre glass tank. I made my
first when I built my Rutan Quickie. Called out by Rutan in the plans. Can't
get a better tank designer than Rutan. You use a core material of the dense
1/4 " foam, with one or two layers of light cloth on each side. Easy to put
baffles inside before installing the top piece. Various outlet fittings can
easily be fixed in place. Mounting brackets can be custom placed. Stronger
than metal in a crash situation. I built two others later, one large one for
my first UltraStar and all gave good service. All of the proper materials,
epoxy, foam and glass are available at all aircraft supply houses such as
Aircraft Spruce. You can design to fill every available inch of space.
> Ray
> Do Not Archive
>
> Gene Beenenga <kgbunltd@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga
>
> John, try Summit automotive parts supply, their plastic tanks are designed
and used in race cars, have impact resistance, anti-spill valving in case of
being inverted and also have electric sending units available, and sizes up
to 15 or 20 gallon. i have installed their 5 gallon model in the Piet i am
building. also filler cap is large, sealed against spillage and is locking.
Gene
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: John Hauck
> >Sent: Jan 5, 2006 10:11 PM
> >To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
> >
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
> >
> > | Question: Are there "sturdy" (safe) gas tanks available that have a
> >capacity larger the 5 gallons and will fit in the cage without any
> >significant modifications? If so.. would you recommend them? How can I
> >find them?
> > |
> >| John Abbott
> >
> >Hi John A/Gang:
> >
> >I have no personal knowledge of larger plastic tanks that will fit our
> >airplanes. Perhaps others on the Kolb List will give you some help in
> >that area.
> >
> >Most of the folks I know fabricated aluminum tanks to fit their
> >particular needs.
> >
> >john h
> >MKIII
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays,
whatever.
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl@verizon.net>
What's the weather like in MV in mid May?
MK3X
Vic
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|
| MK3X
| Vic
Vic/All:
For the past three years the weather has been very pleasant, warm
during the day and cool at night. Makes for some good sleeping
outside. We had a thunderstorm one afternoon, but did not last long.
Can get windy during the afternoons, but this gives us time to sit
around the airstrip and chew the fat.
john h
MKIII
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| Subject: | 503 Questions... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
John,
Could you scan that picture and put it on photoshare. (Ultra stork) Some
of us ultrastar owners and others would find it interesting.
Steve Garvelink
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 503 Questions...
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
could be
| exceeded alot with no damage....
|
| Don Gherardini
Hi Don G/Gang:
You need to explain this exception to exceeding the red line please.
First, the red line on all the Rotax two strokes is 6,800 rpm for 5
minutes, and 6,500 max continuous.
This may be something new, but all I have ever been taught and know of
red lines is just that, do not exceed the red line. Nothing has ever
been mentioned of loaded or unloaded exceptions.
I know there are exceptions for the four strokes and probably the two
strokes also, but can not recite them off the top of my head. This
applies to rpm, egt, cht, oil temp, and for the 582, water temp.
If any of you have any specific questions you would like me to ask
Erick Tucker, instructor for Rotax two and four strokes schools,
please let me know. I will do my best to get him to answer them for
me and report back when I get the answers.
Paul Petty, his pappy-in-law Charley, and I will be attending the 912
course at South Mississippi Light Aircraft the end of this month, in
Lucedale, MS. This will be the third time around for Paul and I.
Reckon we will ever get it right?
;-)
One of the best advantages of attending one of these schools is the
additional info one picks up from Erick that is not in the manuals.
Erick is a good instructor and has been the Rotax from the very
beginning. I remember an article in one of the magazines about Erick
and how he was starting up a new company to use Rotax engines for
little airplanes in Vernon, BC. I have been looking for this old mag
during my sorting and throwing operation, but have not been able to
put my finger on it. This would have been in the 1983 time frame.
BTW: Richard Swidersky, I have not forgotten (entirely) about the
Experiment with you and the Flying Stork (his Ultrastar with very long
legs) on the back cover. It will be mailed to you pretty soon, I
hope.
Take care,
john h
MKIII
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Pat,
I/we could describe things but probably the best bet is to go to
www.gouldings.com and get it straight from them.
AzDave
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| Subject: | Re: 503 Questions... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Steve/Gang:
Be glad to. Hang on for a few minutes until I can find and scan it.
john
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| Subject: | Re: 503 Questions... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
HI John....and gang...
Sure I will explain this seemingly wild comment about redline on the 503.
First..I stand corrected on the redline as John mentions...6800...not 6500.
A piston ported 2 cycle...such as the 447/503 Rotax engine has no moving
parts other than the crank, rod, and piston. Unlike rotary valve 2 cycle, or
a reed valved engine or 4 cycle engines there are no valves to float,
pushrods to disengage from rockers or lifters, oil pumps to cavitate or
shear pins to break, worm gears to strip and so on. Much experience in the
snowmobile world with raiseing the exhaust ports and stuffing crankcases ,
expansion chambers and the like have shown us for a long time that these
piston ported Rotaxs will take a lot more RPMS than 6800....I can attest to
snowmobilers running them at 8K all the time, WOT out across the Frozen
lakes and feilds.
This However does not happen under the load factor that a propellor put on
them.
They also cool better when running at the typical ambient temps of
snowmobiling sport.
I also know...from experience...that sitting on a sled and rapping the
throttle of a machine with an souped up torque-convertor that the rpms come
easy before the load is large enough to pull rpms down below redline and ill
effects seldom manifest themselves. Also I might add, the running of these
engines with nothing at all hooked up to the crank never bothered them when
they were in sleds...dont know why it would hurt them now. The Rotax
gearboxs with clutch assemblies and the sprague clutchs many run simulate
the same thing.
Hence, my advice to David that if he wants to attempt to start his engine
with out a prop on it...no damage will occur, and if he slapps throttle to
it once or twice because he wants to hear the pipes rattle...and it goes
above redline with no load on it, not to be bothered too much. IT might not
be all the good for it...but I would bet a years salary that a 503 will run
at 8000 rpms with no load on it alot longer than it will at 6800 loaded to
the max.
Just so no one misunderstands what I am saying here. IF one attempts to do
this with a pitched prop on it, thereby increaseing BMEP to levels and
crankshaft torsion entirely above the design limits...he will likely need an
overhaul in short order.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl@verizon.net>
Thanks John. I wont be flyin but I have friends in Arizona. They live in TonoPah
or something like that Just east of Pheonix. I could visit both I'm sure.
Buy the way in 1993 you were the single biggest reason I bought a Kolb . I did
nothing on it until 2003, It's ready for covering and I have a bank fooled into
giving me the money for a Jabiru, and other goodies. What do you think about
Ellery's 10 gallon tank? For 2 at about 172 bucks I could'nt build a better one
(myself that is).
Vic
MK3X
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
For anyone who gives a flip. I plan on being on my third MV outing. And for
all of you who have never been there. You are missing one of the great
wonders of the world, and reasonable.
Az Bald eagle.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
> <pelletier@cableone.net>
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> Pat,
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> I/we could describe things but probably the best bet is to go to
> www.gouldings.com and get it straight from them.
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> AzDave
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
What do you think about Ellery's 10 gallon tank? For 2 at about 172
bucks I could'nt build a better one (myself that is).
| Vic
Vic/Gang:
If it works for Ellery and it works for you, sounds good to me.
john h
MKIII
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott" <jacksbird@charter.net>
Thanks everyone for your input. it was very helpful.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Abbott" <jacksbird@charter.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott" <jacksbird@charter.net>
>
> Over the last 9 months that I have been on the "list", the subject of
> installing larger gas plastic tanks has been fully discussed but some how
> I missed the final conclusion(s). I am building an Xtra and I'm very close
> to covering the cage, so knowing the "final" answer is becoming paramount.
>
> Question: Are there "sturdy" (safe) gas tanks available that have a
> capacity larger the 5 gallons and will fit in the cage without any
> significant modifications? If so.. would you recommend them? How can I
> find them?
>
> Again, I don't want to start a debate but rather just understand your
> personal conclusions.
> Thanks in advance for your sharing your wisdom.
>
> John Abbott
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Wait a minute... I thought the fiberglass tank was a great idea, but certian
gas will ruin the fiberglass gas tank? I consider that a pretty big detail
to leave out. Did I miss something so certian gas will ruin a fiberglass gas
tank?
From: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
>
>The alcohol in most auto gas will turn the glass tanks to mush, Or that's
>what I'm told. We get 91oct non ox. here but I guess most people don't get
>this at their pumps. The non ox won't destroy fiber glass tanks. Do Not
>Archive.
>Dan Charter
>Original Firestar
>Chisholm MN
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ray anderson" <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
>
>
> >
> > Why not custom make, fit to usable space, a fibre glass tank. I made my
>first when I built my Rutan Quickie. Called out by Rutan in the plans.
>Can't
>get a better tank designer than Rutan. You use a core material of the dense
>1/4 " foam, with one or two layers of light cloth on each side. Easy to put
>baffles inside before installing the top piece. Various outlet fittings can
>easily be fixed in place. Mounting brackets can be custom placed. Stronger
>than metal in a crash situation. I built two others later, one large one
>for
>my first UltraStar and all gave good service. All of the proper materials,
>epoxy, foam and glass are available at all aircraft supply houses such as
>Aircraft Spruce. You can design to fill every available inch of space.
> > Ray
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> > Gene Beenenga <kgbunltd@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga
> >
> > John, try Summit automotive parts supply, their plastic tanks are
>designed
>and used in race cars, have impact resistance, anti-spill valving in case
>of
>being inverted and also have electric sending units available, and sizes up
>to 15 or 20 gallon. i have installed their 5 gallon model in the Piet i am
>building. also filler cap is large, sealed against spillage and is locking.
>Gene
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: John Hauck
> > >Sent: Jan 5, 2006 10:11 PM
> > >To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> > >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
> > >
> > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
> > >
> > > | Question: Are there "sturdy" (safe) gas tanks available that have a
> > >capacity larger the 5 gallons and will fit in the cage without any
> > >significant modifications? If so.. would you recommend them? How can I
> > >find them?
> > > |
> > >| John Abbott
> > >
> > >Hi John A/Gang:
> > >
> > >I have no personal knowledge of larger plastic tanks that will fit our
> > >airplanes. Perhaps others on the Kolb List will give you some help in
> > >that area.
> > >
> > >Most of the folks I know fabricated aluminum tanks to fit their
> > >particular needs.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Vic
the next time your in the area stop in and take agood look at this fuel tank
its plenty strong and I had to do some hard looking to find something that
would work for me, I have put 90 gallons threw it so far after the rebuild
without any problems But I can build you an aluminum or stainless tank if thats
what you want to do I have built winter Doors for the Original Firestar
Modified and I am working on a heating system now so I can Fly the rest of the
winter
in a T-shirt it's going to be nice for frigid temps
Colder in Maine
Ellery Batchelder Jr
Levant Welding & Machine
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
David Key <dhkey@msn.com> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key"
<<<<Wait a minute... I thought the fiberglass tank was a great idea, but certian
gas will ruin the fiberglass gas tank? I consider that a pretty big detail to
leave out. Did I miss something so certian gas will ruin a fiberglass gas
tank? >>>>>
There are epoxies that are impervious to any gasoline mixture. There are hundreds
and hundreds of Brock seat tanks flying for years on gyrocopters and small
aircraft. No problems ever mentioned. I never had any problems with mine. Just
inquire for the proper epoxy, not at WalMart !!!
UltraStar .. Tenn
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| Subject: | 912 UL with 250 Hrs Listed on E-bay |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <neilsenrmf@comcast.net>
Those of you that want to spend more than the price of a VW but not full
price of a Rotax 912 may be interested. The listing is asking $6,000
starting bid and no one has bid yet, but there is a reserve.
see the following:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rotax-912-UL-80hp-250-hr-like-new_W0QQitemZ4602182796QQcategoryZ63722QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
I'm told that it's just the car gas that's loaded with alcohol. Use non ox
with no problems. I use a plastic tank. Not my personal experience. Do Not
Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>
> Wait a minute... I thought the fiberglass tank was a great idea, but
certian
> gas will ruin the fiberglass gas tank? I consider that a pretty big detail
> to leave out. Did I miss something so certian gas will ruin a fiberglass
gas
> tank?
>
>
> From: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:44:48 -0600
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
> >
> >The alcohol in most auto gas will turn the glass tanks to mush, Or
that's
> >what I'm told. We get 91oct non ox. here but I guess most people don't
get
> >this at their pumps. The non ox won't destroy fiber glass tanks. Do Not
> >Archive.
> >Dan Charter
> >Original Firestar
> >Chisholm MN
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "ray anderson" <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
> >To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Why not custom make, fit to usable space, a fibre glass tank. I made
my
> >first when I built my Rutan Quickie. Called out by Rutan in the plans.
> >Can't
> >get a better tank designer than Rutan. You use a core material of the
dense
> >1/4 " foam, with one or two layers of light cloth on each side. Easy to
put
> >baffles inside before installing the top piece. Various outlet fittings
can
> >easily be fixed in place. Mounting brackets can be custom placed.
Stronger
> >than metal in a crash situation. I built two others later, one large one
> >for
> >my first UltraStar and all gave good service. All of the proper
materials,
> >epoxy, foam and glass are available at all aircraft supply houses such as
> >Aircraft Spruce. You can design to fill every available inch of space.
> > > Ray
> > > Do Not Archive
> > >
> > > Gene Beenenga <kgbunltd@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga
> > >
> > > John, try Summit automotive parts supply, their plastic tanks are
> >designed
> >and used in race cars, have impact resistance, anti-spill valving in case
> >of
> >being inverted and also have electric sending units available, and sizes
up
> >to 15 or 20 gallon. i have installed their 5 gallon model in the Piet i
am
> >building. also filler cap is large, sealed against spillage and is
locking.
> >Gene
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >From: John Hauck
> > > >Sent: Jan 5, 2006 10:11 PM
> > > >To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> > > >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons
> > > >
> > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
> > > >
> > > > | Question: Are there "sturdy" (safe) gas tanks available that have
a
> > > >capacity larger the 5 gallons and will fit in the cage without any
> > > >significant modifications? If so.. would you recommend them? How can
I
> > > >find them?
> > > > |
> > > >| John Abbott
> > > >
> > > >Hi John A/Gang:
> > > >
> > > >I have no personal knowledge of larger plastic tanks that will fit
our
> > > >airplanes. Perhaps others on the Kolb List will give you some help in
> > > >that area.
> > > >
> > > >Most of the folks I know fabricated aluminum tanks to fit their
> > > >particular needs.
> > > >
> > > >john h
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> >holidays,
> >whatever.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Ya'll:
Here is a the photo on the back cover of the May 1992 EAA Experimenter
Magazine, Richard Swiderski's highly modified Ultrastar. I joking
have referred to it as the Ultra-Stork, to Richard, of course. He did
not hit me, so I assume he also took my remarks as a joke.
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/scan.jpg
First time I saw this airplane was from the air, low level, north of
the Florida Flying Gators Airpark. Tailed ole Richard and the
Ultrastar (still looked stock) for about 15 or 20 minutes before I let
him see me. Could have shot him down many times with minigun, or
might have gotten lucky and hit him with a pair of 2.75" FFAR rockets.
BTW: The date was aprx'ly 14 November 1987. I was flying my original
Firestar, Rotax 447, point ign. Stopped off for the weekend at
Florida Flying Gators Airpark for their annual flyin, on the way to
Miami, FL, and return to Gantt IAP, Alabama. About 1,500 sm, the
longest flight I had done to that date in an ultralight. The first
overnight, self-supported ultralight flight was conducted two weeks
prior in the same aircraft to the North Florida Airshow, Lake City,
Florida.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | fuel monitored by GPS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
List;
I have been on Ebay for the last week trying to buy a Garmin 196. I was finally
successful yesterday, but one of the units that I was monitoring was from
a pilot in Auke,Alaska. He claimed to have his fuel levels hooked up to his 196.
His quote is below
"This great little GPS has been a faithful addition to the cockpit. In addition
to what you know about this portable wonder, I can tell you that I had
it connected to my fuel flow instrument and wired to the power bus in our airplane
using the optional data/power cable, and it worked like a charm - always
aware of the fuel remaining and needed for the flight to the next waypoint, and
for the rest of the trip." When I queried him about it he replied - I am using
a JPI FS 450 fuel flow unit - cat's meow. Has a small turbine in the sending
unit that can be calibrated to just about any flow. The unit is designed to
talk to GPSs.
Is any one familiar with this function or where he got the unit to do this
with?
Larry, Or
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| Subject: | Re: fuel monitored by GPS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
The function he's talking about is really a function of the fuel flow
meter. It has an input for *any* GPS input, not just the 196.
-- Robert
P.S. I own a 196... they are *very* nice for flying... so-so for
driving... not so great for boating.
On 1/6/06, Larry Cottrell <lcottrel@kfalls.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>
> List;
> I have been on Ebay for the last week trying to buy a Garmin 196. I was finally
successful yesterday, but one of the units that I was monitoring was from
a pilot in Auke,Alaska. He claimed to have his fuel levels hooked up to his
196. His quote is below
>
> "This great little GPS has been a faithful addition to the cockpit. In
addition to what you know about this portable wonder, I can tell you that I had
it connected to my fuel flow instrument and wired to the power bus in our airplane
using the optional data/power cable, and it worked like a charm - always
aware of the fuel remaining and needed for the flight to the next waypoint,
and for the rest of the trip." When I queried him about it he replied - I am using
a JPI FS 450 fuel flow unit - cat's meow. Has a small turbine in the sending
unit that can be calibrated to just about any flow. The unit is designed to
talk to GPSs.
>
> Is any one familiar with this function or where he got the unit to do this
with?
>
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