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1. 02:16 AM - Re: Re: Oily Brake Shoes (bryan green)
2. 02:16 AM - Re: Introducions in the BBS format (John Bickham)
3. 04:53 AM - Re: Re: Verner Engines (David Key)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: Oily Brake Shoes (Mike Pierzina)
5. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: Verner Engines (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
6. 07:41 AM - Re: Verner Engines (David.Lehman)
7. 08:24 AM - Re: Introducions in the BBS format (jimhefner)
8. 08:28 AM - Re: Introducions in the BBS format (jimhefner)
9. 08:50 AM - Kolbra Article (frank & margie)
10. 08:50 AM - Re: Verner Engines (John Williamson)
11. 08:54 AM - Re: Verner Engines (David.Lehman)
12. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Verner Engines (John Hauck)
13. 09:20 AM - Re: Verner Engines (John Hauck)
14. 10:05 AM - Re: Verner Engines (David.Lehman)
15. 10:08 AM - Re: Verner Engines (John Hauck)
16. 10:10 AM - Re: Verner Engines (John Hauck)
17. 10:20 AM - Re: Verner Engines (David.Lehman)
18. 11:34 AM - Battery box (Kolbra012)
19. 12:40 PM - Wing Attach Spacers?... (David.Lehman)
20. 12:51 PM - Re: Wing Attach Spacers?... (lucien stavenhagen)
21. 01:47 PM - Sport Pilot Magazine Article (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
22. 02:21 PM - Re: Wing Attach Spacers?... (Mike Pierzina)
23. 02:22 PM - Re: Kolbra Article (JetPilot)
24. 02:34 PM - Re: Wing Attach Spacers?... (John Hauck)
25. 02:36 PM - Re: Kolbra Article (John Hauck)
26. 02:36 PM - Re: Wing Attach Spacers?... (David.Lehman)
27. 02:51 PM - Re: Verner Engines (JetPilot)
28. 02:53 PM - Re: Verner Engines (JetPilot)
29. 03:12 PM - Re: Wing Attach Spacers?... (John Hauck)
30. 03:27 PM - Re: Wing Attach Spacers?... (David.Lehman)
31. 03:30 PM - Re: Wing Attach Spacers?... (John Hauck)
32. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Wing Attach Spacers?... (lucien stavenhagen)
33. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: Wing Attach Spacers?... (FS2Kolb@aol.com)
34. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: Wing Attach Spacers?... (lucien stavenhagen)
35. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: Verner Engines (ray anderson)
36. 05:03 PM - user groups (Paul Petty)
37. 05:29 PM - Re: Wing Attach Spacers?... (Ralph)
38. 05:38 PM - John W's SP Article (John Hauck)
39. 05:39 PM - Re: John W's SP Article (John Hauck)
40. 05:41 PM - Re: John W's SP Article (John Hauck)
41. 05:47 PM - Re: Wing Attach Spacers?... (David.Lehman)
42. 06:13 PM - Re: Wing Attach Spacers?... (Christopher Armstrong)
43. 06:48 PM - Re: Verner Engines (John Williamson)
44. 06:52 PM - Re: Battery box (Ralph Hoover)
45. 07:12 PM - Re: Re: Verner Engines (Jack B. Hart)
46. 07:28 PM - Re: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons (Ralph Hoover)
47. 07:34 PM - Re: Verner Engines (JetPilot)
48. 07:37 PM - Re: user groups (Charlie England)
49. 07:43 PM - Re: user groups (Matt Dralle)
50. 09:57 PM - Re: Re: Verner Engines (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
51. 10:35 PM - Re: Re: Verner Engines (FS2Kolb@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Oily Brake Shoes |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
I never have had any luck cleaning shoes with oil in them and getting a
satisfactory result. If you haven't already make sure that the shoe your
having problems with is actually being forced against the drum properly.
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
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From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Oily Brake Shoes
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
> I would clean it off with something that disolves oil very well and does
> not leave any residue. (not mineral spirits) I would try gasoline, or
> something like that, clean both the drum and the shoes thouroughly, scrub
> those shoes with a rag or brush to get the grease out of the pourous
> material and see if that does the trick...
>
> Are new shoes that expensive for kolbs ???
>
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> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Introducions in the BBS format |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Bickham" <gearbender@bellsouth.net>
I'm a newby to this BBS stuff. Using this to see if I can do this stuff.
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C
Using my Repairman Certificate
St. Francisville, LA
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| Subject: | Re: Verner Engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
thanks for the info that's all I needed to know, looked good on paper. I'll
drop it.
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| Subject: | Re: Oily Brake Shoes |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Spraying with Brake Clean would work... But spraying with "starting Fluid" would
be cheaper, plus , it's always good to have starting fluid around...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Verner Engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <neilsenrmf@comcast.net>
Dave/All
That's not all you need to know! Come on John W, I know you are very happy
with the 100 hp 912 but as you told me, you didn't have a good test of the
Verner. Seems like you got a bad engine and it was replaced under some form
of warranty and you sold it before you used the good engine. Keep in mind
that not every one has the discresanary income to pay the big bucks to
Rotax. No doubt Rotax makes the best engines on the market and not by some
small margin but the margin in prices is much greater.
The only way we are going to get a reasonable price engine is to buy some of
the alternative engines. Seem like there is at least Verner/Kolb driver out
there. Don't let these guys intimidate you into not sharing your experience.
Also if there are other people out there that fly other engines please share
you experience.
I fly a Redrive VW powered MKIIIc and it is working into a fairly good
engine with a cost of around $5500 for the power package.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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From: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:52 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Verner Engines
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>
> thanks for the info that's all I needed to know, looked good on paper.
> I'll
> drop it.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Verner Engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
John Williamson wrote:
> David and All,
>
> I tried a Verner 133.
>
> I fly a Rotax 912 ULS.
>
> That should say all that needs to be said about the Verner.
>
John...
I can't afford a 912 and a local has a Verner 133 for sale...
I listen to the voice of experience, what was your experience with the Verner?...
Thanx...
DVD
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of man is beyond description.
Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
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| Subject: | Re: Introducions in the BBS format |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimhefner" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
Hey, this new BBS format is cool! Like other forums I participate in. Thanks
Matt!!
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| Subject: | Re: Introducions in the BBS format |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimhefner" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
Hey, this new BBS format is cool! Like other forums I participate in. Thanks
Matt!!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "frank & margie" <frank-margie@worldnet.att.net>
The Jan EAA Sport Pilot has a nice article about what you can do with a Kolbra----written
by some guy named John Williamson------:>).
Frank Clyma
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| Subject: | Re: Verner Engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
Hi David and All,
The Verner 133 is heavy.
You have to engineer an exhaust.
Whatever you engineer, has to withstand a high amount of vibration, more than
a Rotax 912 series engine.
The thrust line will be several inches higher than a Rotax.
It is well worth the wait to save and get yourself a Rotax 912 or 912ULS.
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John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
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| Subject: | Re: Verner Engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
John Williamson wrote:
> Hi David and All,
>
> The Verner 133 is heavy.
>
> You have to engineer an exhaust.
>
> Whatever you engineer, has to withstand a high amount of vibration, more than
a Rotax 912 series engine.
>
> The thrust line will be several inches higher than a Rotax.
>
> It is well worth the wait to save and get yourself a Rotax 912 or 912ULS.
Thanx John...
Good information, makes me appreciate my 503 more...
DVD
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of man is beyond description.
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| Subject: | Re: Verner Engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|Come on John W, I know you are very happy
| with the 100 hp 912 but as you told me, you didn't have a good test
of the
| Verner.
Rick N:
Getting a bad engine, out of the box, from Verner does not say much
for their product, quality control, nor reliability down the line.
Owning an engine that is not serviceable/reliable enough to accomplish
"a good test" is not what I would be looking for to keep me in the air
on down the line.
Dennis Kirby had a Verner, initially, on his MKIII. Not only was the
engine not performing as advertised, but support, service and response
to the many problems Dennis had with the Verner were not there. For
Dennis, it was a night mare, ruining his first experience with the
airplane he built. Dennis found and bought a used 912, and the smile
on his face is permanently etched. ;-)
TNK mounted a Verner on the first MKIIIx, took it to Sun and Fun and
worked on it for a week, with factory reps assisting. If I remember
correctly, I saw it get off the ground once or maybe twice. On return
to London, KY, the Verner disappeared, never to be seen in and around
TNK.
No one is "knocking" Verner. Simply stating what I have seen and what
I have been told by a couple of reliable folks that were
owners/operators of these engines.
|Don't let these guys intimidate you into not sharing your
experience.
| Also if there are other people out there that fly other engines
please share
| you experience.
Don't think anyone is trying to intimidate Verner/Kolb owners, if they
exist on this List. Simply trying to inform folks of the history of
Verner as I know it. That is why I answered the question yesterday
with a question, "How many Verner powered Kolbs on the Kolb List.
| I fly a Redrive VW powered MKIIIc and it is working into a fairly
good
| engine with a cost of around $5500 for the power package.
|
| Rick Neilsen
Rick, a "fairly good engine" is not an engine I can be comfortable
with. Are you comfortable flying your VW powered MKIIIc? You don't
have to answer that question. I don't expect you too. Comfort with
the reliability and safety of what I fly is of utmost importance. I
do this for fun, not for pay. When it ceases to be fun, I quit.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Verner Engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Gang:
Let's see if we can find anyone who owns and is flying an aircraft powered with
a Verner. If we can, let's ask them to give us an honest and unbiased report
of their engines performance, reliability, serviceability, and support from Verner.
john h
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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Verner Engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
John Hauck wrote:
> Gang:
>
> Let's see if we can find anyone who owns and is flying an aircraft powered with
a Verner. If we can, let's ask them to give us an honest and unbiased report
of their engines performance, reliability, serviceability, and support from
Verner.
>
> john h
Well John, I suppose this is a major "DUH!", but the local engine is available
because he replaced the Verner on his GT500 with a new Jabiru...
DVD
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Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the spirit
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| Subject: | Re: Verner Engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Dave: Might find out what his thoughts and experiences with the Verner were.
However, he's in the selling mode and doubt he is going to be 100% open about
it.
Understand replacing with a Jab, direct drive, on an Eiper GT500???
john h[/quote]
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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Verner Engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Noted the quote at the end of my last post. I quess that is because I was screwing
around and clicked on the little quote box above. Live and learn.
john h
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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Verner Engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
John Hauck wrote:
> Dave: Might find out what his thoughts and experiences with the Verner were.
However, he's in the selling mode and doubt he is going to be 100% open about
it.
>
> Understand replacing with a Jab, direct drive, on an Eiper GT500???
>
> john h
John...
You're correct about the seller/buyer information highway sometimes being a little
biased... Supposedly, he was disappointed with a cooling problem on the Verner...
And you're also correct, it's a Jabiru 2200 on a Quicksilver GT500...
We have an ambitious Jabiru dealer in town and there are several (2200s and 3300s)
flying in the area...
Thanx...
DVD
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbra012" <lynnp@g-gate.net>
Ok Gang,
Time to try the new form out [Shocked] Thought I would try out the photo attachment
thingy. Hmmmm no spell checker this will get interesting [Laughing]
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
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| Subject: | Wing Attach Spacers?... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
When I unfold the wings, the front spar fittings and the strut fittings mate with
fuselage fittings wider than the spar/strut... Am I supposed to install spacers
(washers) to fill the gap between the fittings?...
Thanx...
DVD
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Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the spirit
of man is beyond description.
Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
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| Subject: | Wing Attach Spacers?... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
>When I unfold the wings, the front spar fittings and the strut fittings
>mate with fuselage fittings wider than the spar/strut... Am I supposed to
>install spacers (washers) to fill the gap between the fittings?...
>
>Thanx...
Actually, since you brought that up, I've always been curious as to why that
gap is so large there? I worry about a shear load spread out over that much
length of the pin...
Or is this simply a low load area such that this is plenty of strength?
Like I said, I've never seen any problem with this, but am curious about the
gap.
PS. there's a similar large gap where the lift struts attach to the cage. I
run a spacer made out of fuel line on here to keep the strut set up against
one side. Anyone know why this gap is wide as well?
LS
N646F
>DVD
>
>--------
> Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the
>spirit of man is beyond description.
> Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3004#3004
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| Subject: | Sport Pilot Magazine Article |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Hey Guys,
The latest issue of Sport Pilot Magazine has an article written by John Williamson.
Check it out, it's great and lots and lots of good pics - even tho there
ain't one of me in it. Congratulations John - Nice to have you back.
AzDave
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Attach Spacers?... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
People have put rubber spacers in there, just to keep the vibrating noise down....
Do you have a GAP SEAL that goes between your wings ??? every picture that I've
seen of your plane is missing it...( important Item )
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbra Article |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
I would like to read this article, is it available online anywhere ?
Michael A. Bigelow
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Attach Spacers?... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Mike: That is a darn good looking gap seal. I like it.
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John Hauck
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Mike: Join EAA and check the Sport Pilot block on the application.
If I get time tonight I will scan and post it, if it comes out half way decent.
I enjoyed the article and the photos, some of which I was flying right along side
our intrepid aviator from Arlington. Was well thought out and effective piece
of work.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
Mike Pierzina wrote:
> People have put rubber spacers in there, just to keep the vibrating noise down....
>
> Do you have a GAP SEAL that goes between your wings ??? every picture that
I've seen of your plane is missing it...( important Item )
>
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
WOW!... I answered this, hit the send button and lost the BBS... I'll try again...
Mike, I have the gap seal, I just didn't have it installed in the pictures...
I like the rubber spacer idea, could probably do the same thing with pieces of
fuel hose...
Thanx...
DVD
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David.Lehman wrote:
> [Well John, I suppose this is a major "DUH!", but the local engine is available
because he replaced the Verner on his GT500 with a new Jabiru...
>
> DVD
Hahaha, not to bright a guy, he went from buying a horrible engine to buying
a mediocre engine...
The Roatx 912S is a far superrior engine to either of those. I would save for
as long as it takes to get a great engine rather than throw away what you have
on something you will never be happy with.
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David.Lehman wrote:
> [Well John, I suppose this is a major "DUH!", but the local engine is available
because he replaced the Verner on his GT500 with a new Jabiru...
>
> DVD
Hahaha, not to bright a guy, he went from buying a horrible engine to buying
a mediocre engine...
The Roatx 912S is a far superrior engine to either of those. I would save for
as long as it takes to get a great engine rather than throw away what you have
on something you will never be happy with.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
fittings mate with fuselage fittings wider than the spar/strut... Am
I supposed to install spacers (washers) to fill the gap between the
fittings?...
|
| Thanx...
|
| DVD
Dave/Gang:
Do you have the plans and instructions for your airplane?
Nothing is called for to kill that space.
john h
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John Hauck wrote:
> Dave/Gang:
>
> Do you have the plans and instructions for your airplane?
>
> Nothing is called for to kill that space.
>
> john h
Yes John, I have the 1985 plans and I noted that they called for empty space...
I guess I've spent too much time with big airplanes and I need a re-education...
Thanx...
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[/quote]
Actually, since you brought that up, I've always been curious as to why that
gap is so large there? I worry about a shear load spread out over that much
length of the pin...
Or is this simply a low load area such that this is plenty of strength?
Like I said, I've never seen any problem with this, but am curious about the
gap.
PS. there's a similar large gap where the lift struts attach to the cage. I
run a spacer made out of fuel line on here to keep the strut set up against
one side. Anyone know why this gap is wide as well?
LS
N646F
[quote]DVD
| Actually, since you brought that up, I've always been curious as to why that
| gap is so large there? I worry about a shear load spread out over that much
| length of the pin...
Lucien:
I can assure you that the gap is the way it is because that is the way Homer Kolb
designed it. It was the same way on my Ultrastar that I built in 1984, like
22 years ago. If you are worried about this fitting, recommend you ground your
airplane until it is fabricated in such a way that you will be comfortable
with it. As far as I know, we have not lost the first Kolb because of Homer's
design of that fitting. Besides, even though I am not an engineer, I don't
think there is any more shear load on that pin with that much space, or if it
were snugged up tight.
| Or is this simply a low load area such that this is plenty of strength?
Homer Kolb does not design weak airplanes, period. I would think the lift strut
fitting is a very high load area. After all, it is carrying the load of that
wing.
| Like I said, I've never seen any problem with this, but am curious about the
| gap.
In the short time you have been a Kolb aviator, I doubt you have seen a problem
in that area. Like I said earlier, after 22 years, I haven't seen a problem
either.
There are many of us on the Kolb List and around the world that have been flying
Homer Kolb's airplanes for many years. We don't fly them because Homer did
not know what he was doing when he designed them. The fact that most of us are
still alive and still flying Homer's airplanes should attest to the fact that
they are a damn good product.
If one flies a lot, i.e., many, many hours, the holes in the lift strut fittings
will elongate from vibration and wear. Fuel line, rubber washer, steel washers
will not keep the fittings from vibrating on the pins or bolts. To improve
on this set up, one must drill out the lift strut fitting to accept a steel
bushing. The bushing is welded into the list strut fitting, both inboard and
outboard. The bushing is trimmed for a snug fit on both ends, then bolted up
tight. That is the way I have my lift struts modified. After nearly 2,500 hours
I have no wear in the lift strut fittings, no rattles, no vibration.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien stavenhagen" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
>Lucien:
>
>I can assure you that the gap is the way it is because that is the way
>Homer Kolb designed it. It was the same way on my Ultrastar that I built
>in 1984, like 22 years ago. If you are worried about this fitting,
>recommend you ground your airplane until it is fabricated in such a way
>that you will be comfortable with it.
Ok, calm down, calm down...take a deep breath.... Just curious, not being
critical (and have no concerns about the joint due to the long history of
the Kolbs, merely a curiosity)....
>As far as I know, we have not lost the first Kolb because of Homer's design
>of that fitting. Besides, even though I am not an engineer, I don't think
>there is any more shear load on that pin with that much space, or if it
>were snugged up tight.
>
Not quite true, but the explanation as to why is a bit lengthy and I won't
go into it here since it's probably not an issue.
The gaps in these areas are merely unusual design, though, which is why I'm
curious as to why it was done that way. That's all....
LS
N646F
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In a message dated 1/11/2006 4:47:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
lstavenhagen@hotmail.com writes:
The gaps in these areas are merely unusual design, though, which is why I'm
curious as to why it was done that way. That's all....
It there for easy folding of the wings. If the gap was not there you
couldn't swing the wings out for folding.
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>It there for easy folding of the wings. If the gap was not there you
>couldn't swing the wings out for folding.
Ah, yes... Ok, that makes perfect sense.. That explains the gap at the
bottom lift strut connection too, it would be a royal pain to detach the
struts with a tight gap there...
Thanks, that answers my Q completely.... More I learn about this airplane I
tell ya the more I like it....
LS
N646F
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
I keep my UltraStar just about 400 - 500 feet from the Jabiru 'factory' or US distribution
facility now located on the Shelbyville, TN airport. It's here that
customers can come and assemble their aircraft with the Jabiru engines. It's
a great looking combination and there is a couple of customers assembling every
day. I believe it takes about two weeks and is licensed as homebuilt with the
customer doing a little over 50% of the work to be legal. This has been going
on now for about 8-10 months and a lot of them have flown away with happy owners.
I don't know of any that have come back or reported trouble, so the Jabiru
engine can't be too mediocre. There seems to be a line up of customers waiting
for a spot to build and fly. Business is so good that Jabiru has asked for
a new building twice as large. They are getting ready to produce a two cylinder
version of the engine.
JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot"
David.Lehman wrote:
> [Well John, I suppose this is a major "DUH!", but the local engine is available
because he replaced the Verner on his GT500 with a new Jabiru...
>
> DVD
Hahaha, not to bright a guy, he went from buying a horrible engine to buying a
mediocre engine...
The Roatx 912S is a far superrior engine to either of those. I would save for as
long as it takes to get a great engine rather than throw away what you have
on something you will never be happy with.
Michael A. Bigelow
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Kolbers,
I would like to invite you to goin the Kolb list group on the new BBS. Not sure
what we can do with this but we will find out! :D
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
Dave,
I did install aluminum spacers in the lower lift strut fittings/cage attachment
because I noticed the strut would move back and forth across the clevis pin.
That couldn't be good for it and figured that it could cause premature wear. Is
this what you are referring to?
Ralph
Original Firestar
19 years flying it
-- "David.Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net> wrote:
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When I unfold the wings, the front spar fittings and the strut fittings mate with
fuselage fittings wider than the spar/strut... Am I supposed to install spacers
(washers) to fill the gap between the fittings?...
Thanx...
DVD
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http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/John%20W's%20SP%20Article/
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Try this url. I ran it through a url shortener:
http://www.paulding.net/bin/url.cgi/13160.3
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forget the previous. That didn't work.
Highlight the entire url, copy and paste it into the address of your browser.
That'll get you to an index page. Click on the files to get the different pages
of the article.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
ul15rhb(at)juno.com wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I did install aluminum spacers in the lower lift strut fittings/cage attachment
because I noticed the strut would move back and forth across the clevis pin.
That couldn't be good for it and figured that it could cause premature wear.
Is this what you are referring to?
>
> Ralph
>
That's it Ralph, but I'm starting to understand "the why and what for" now...
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
Since the wing inboard ribs a fixed length, rigid structure, and the back
end is fixed I don't think you want the front end fixed as well. This point
is a pivot point and you want it to be able to pivot, transferring all loads
to the lift strut. Soft rubber spacers shouldn't effect it at all but
washers bolted up tight would definitely be a bad idea. I would recommend
leaving it open, as called for in the plans.
Christopher Armstrong
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing Attach Spacers?...
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
fittings mate with fuselage fittings wider than the spar/strut... Am
I supposed to install spacers (washers) to fill the gap between the
fittings?...
|
| Thanx...
|
| DVD
Dave/Gang:
Do you have the plans and instructions for your airplane?
Nothing is called for to kill that space.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
The Verner 133 engine might be great on a trike or powered parachute but it didn't
seem to be very good on a Kolb Kolbra.
As for the Jabiru 2200 engine, it's a great little engine and works very well in
the right application.
The Jabiru airplanes were made to optimize the performance of the Jabiru engine.
Yes, a Jabiru will work on a Kolb. I have over 500 hours flying a Jabiru 2200 engine
on my Kolbra but it was not the correct engine for the Kolbra.
You can engineer any engine to fit on any Kolb but the chance of getting the best
performance out of the engine and airframe is just that, a chance.
For half the price of a Rotax 912 you can fly 70 to 80 mph. With the 912 you can
fly 80 to 90 mph all day long.
When my wife asked what was in the last Rotax engine box that was delivered to
my garage, I just responded "Insurance." She understood completely what I was
talking about.
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Arlington, TX
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@netzero.com>
Paul, Very impressive workmanship. I am doing a like thing on my Firestar KXP.
I am using a 5 amp battery as I only have to power up the glass gauges should
the motor go boom. I believe I only have avaliable room below my seat as teh behind
ares is filled with cables and struts from the cage. The underdash area
has teh Strobe box with the Key West unit. Who made the sheetmetal work for the
battery cage?
Ralph "the other Ralph" Hoover
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Kolbers,
I was curious as to why the Verner seems to have such a bad reputation. I
stumbled across the following site:
http://www.bmaa.info/upload/techdocs/20041061154110.Hm01_22.pdf
BRITISH MICROLIGHT AIRCRAFT ASSOCIATION
HOMEBUILT AIRCRAFT DATA SHEET (HADS)
NO: HM1 ISSUE: 22
This is a data sheet for an XAir (UK), and was put together in 2004.
There is an interesting table on the bottom of page five. The BMWR100RS was
fitted with Rotax C gear boxes and a comparison can be made to the Verner
133M. For the C boxes listed with the 3.0:1 ratio and the Verner all
recommended propeller sizes were 68 inches. But the Rotax gear boxes could
swing a three blade propeller while only a two blade propeller was recommend
for the Verner. This indicates the Verner engine gearbox was not designed
to handle high inertia propellers.
The report last page contains a table that compares X'Air aircraft
performance using the Rotax 582, Jabiru 2.2, Simonini V2, HKS700E, Rotax
912, and Verner 133M engines.
This data sheet indicates that all of the above engines can be used safely
on the X'Air. Which engine you select depends on your desire for
performance and the size of your pocket book. Pretty much the same can be
said for Kolb designs.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@netzero.com>
My Firestar is pre TNK as it is a 1990 KXP. The fuel tank opening is 10" x 10"
and will hold the standard 5 gal. tank as supplied by Kolb. After searching the
world of plastics (The industry that I work in), I have found a retro-fit tank
of 10 gal. Retro-fit as in NO MODIFICATIONS to the plane! I personally like
that. The material of choice is the same material as the present tanks, Polyethlyene!
The key here is UV RATED..as in "can be used for fuel"! Very important, as the
un UV rated not for fuel poleyethelynes. The Ploy tanks must have a Chlorene treat
on the inside. This adds a hardness to the inside surface keeping the fuels
from degrading the tank as the tank is made of derivatives of petrochemicals.
The tank that I am speaking of is avaliable from the following:
:D [Shocked]
Diverse Plastic Tanks, Inc.
jim.toni@plastictanks.ca
Tel: (800) 685-3174 or (905) 607-5189
Fax: (905) 607-9835
The tank as sold DOES NOT have the chlorene treat, However Jim Tony at the above
company can give you the name of a company that does treat them. There is a
drawing avaliable on their web site. Just type in their name on your search engine!
The cost of p/n 209010 10 USG
24"L x 10"W x 10"h
with 1 - 4" Black Vented twist lock cap is US$ 121.80 Tank is in stock
Delivery: Approx. 4- 5 days from receipt of approved drawing Drawing of the tank
is available on our (their) website. :( :(
The way I proposed the tank to tony, as these tanks are spun molded (nice thick
wall, no oilcanning) is to install the fill on one of the ends offset from center
to allow a standard 24" long fuel probe to be installed without any modifications.
the only addition one would need is to install a discharge port on the
bottom corner like the smaller stock ones. It's overall lenght should fit under
any obstructions above it's top. This you want to check as it is close quarters.
I realize that this seems a bit expensive. However, the added advantage of not
having to modify my ship is real important. I'm a steel and plastics guy and modifying
the structure of this machine doesn't excite me the slightest. Every
other choice I found on the web offers too thin a wall, too little gain of gallonage,
too much modifications or in the case of Aluminum, too much cost and you
still have to rip into the stits material to install them.
An now instead of the dreaded "do not archive". [Twisted Evil] I need to say "forgive
the poor spelling" as this &
%&$ sistem (pun intended) doesn't have a speel checker. :x And yes John, I know.
I could write it in my Microsoft word and then dump it here, but oh well. too
much work! LOL [Wink]
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote:
> Kolbers,
>
> I was curious as to why the Verner seems to have such a bad reputation.
>
> The report last page contains a table that compares X'Air aircraft
> performance using the Rotax 582, Jabiru 2.2, Simonini V2, HKS700E, Rotax 912,
and Verner 133M engines.
>
> This data sheet indicates that all of the above engines can be used safely
> on the X'Air. Which engine you select depends on your desire for
> performance and the size of your pocket book. Pretty much the same can be
> said for Kolb designs.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
The data sheet says that any of those engines fit the power, weight, etc. parameters
for the airplane... So they are saying that particular airplane will safely
fly with any of those engines. That does NOT mean that those engines are
all equal, or even that they are good engines....
As to why the verner has such a bad reputation, because its a really crapppy engine....
--------
NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Paul Petty wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@g-gate.net>
>
>Kolbers,
>
>I would like to invite you to goin the Kolb list group on the new BBS. Not sure
what we can do with this but we will find out! :D
>
>--------
>Paul Petty
>Kolbra #12
>Ms Dixie
>
Hi Paul,
According to the list owner, the new bbs just mirrors this list. It's
just another (slower :-) ) way of viewing the same emails.
Ain't nothing like getting it both ways, huh?
Charlie
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
At 07:36 PM 1/11/2006 Wednesday, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
>Paul Petty wrote:
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@g-gate.net>
>>
>>Kolbers,
>>
>>I would like to invite you to goin the Kolb list group on the new BBS. Not sure
what we can do with this but we will find out! :D
>>
>>--------
>>Paul Petty
>>Kolbra #12
>>Ms Dixie
>>
>
>Hi Paul,
>
>According to the list owner, the new bbs just mirrors this list. It's
>just another (slower :-) ) way of viewing the same emails.
>
>Ain't nothing like getting it both ways, huh?
>
>Charlie
What Paul is referring to was this feature on the BBS called "usergroups". At
first, this seemed like more than it really was. Turns out its more of an administrative
thing, than a feature.
I think the "usergroups" feature warrants a "never mind" at this point. Sorry
for the confusion!
Matt Dralle
List Admin.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <neilsenrmf@comcast.net>
John/All
I got this note from another member of the list. It expresses much better
some of what I was trying to say so I decided to share the following with
the group.
<<<<I won't stick my neck into the line of fire but from a mature point of
view engine, airplane, and all sorts of other stuff comes down to a
matter of priorities. -Could I write a check for a new 912, well yes,
and I most likely would not miss it, but then that's not the way I do
things.
I look at all the OTHER stuff I can do with what I save. Some of these
builders have put $30,000 into their Kolb. I doubt I have more than
$12,000 in mine and I have a low time 4 stroke machine ready for some
serious flying. My father set me straight on point of view, as what's
good
for one guy isn't the same for another.>>>>>>
As stated above I too could write a check for a Rotax 912 but I won't. If I
was going to do the kind of flying the Johns do it would be worth it to me
but I don't. For the kind of flat land flying I do my VW is just fine. The
other part of my madness is that I'm attempting to refine the VW engine
package so that it can be almost as reliable as a Rotax 912 but with a MUCH
lower price tag.
Also some of the comments I'm seeing on the list aren't very constructive. I
still haven't heard any evaluation on a Verner engine (statistics or facts
not just hear say) (May be John W but he never flew it) and we are getting
comments such as "Crappy" or "Hahaha, not to bright a guy, he went from
buying a horrible engine to buying a mediocre engine..." Remember Verner has
made at least two different engines and maybe the newer engines are better.
Just because you guys spent those big bucks doesn't it is right for
everyone. Please keep a open mind and allow others to contribute.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:34 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Verner Engines
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
>
> jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote:
>> Kolbers,
>>
>> I was curious as to why the Verner seems to have such a bad reputation.
>>
>> The report last page contains a table that compares X'Air aircraft
>> performance using the Rotax 582, Jabiru 2.2, Simonini V2, HKS700E, Rotax
>> 912, and Verner 133M engines.
>>
>> This data sheet indicates that all of the above engines can be used
>> safely
>> on the X'Air. Which engine you select depends on your desire for
>> performance and the size of your pocket book. Pretty much the same can
>> be
>> said for Kolb designs.
>>
>> Jack B. Hart FF004
>> Winchester, IN
>
>
> The data sheet says that any of those engines fit the power, weight, etc.
> parameters for the airplane... So they are saying that particular airplane
> will safely fly with any of those engines. That does NOT mean that those
> engines are all equal, or even that they are good engines....
>
> As to why the verner has such a bad reputation, because its a really
> crapppy engine....
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3153#3153
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: FS2Kolb@aol.com
God Bless America, where we can do what we want with our Kolbs
In a message dated 1/11/2006 10:58:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
neilsenrmf@comcast.net writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
<neilsenrmf@comcast.net>
John/All
I got this note from another member of the list. It expresses much better
some of what I was trying to say so I decided to share the following with
the group.
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