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1. 02:35 AM - Re: Re: Stall speed / GPS (pat ladd)
2. 04:19 AM - Re: q (pat ladd)
3. 05:06 AM - nuts and bolts (Edward Steuber)
4. 05:48 AM - Re: nuts n bolts (Paul Petty)
5. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: Stall speed / GPS (Jack B. Hart)
6. 06:48 AM - Re: q (russ kinne)
7. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: q (russ kinne)
8. 06:53 AM - Proper angle for bend in 4130 landing gear??? (John Bickham)
9. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: Stall speed / GPS (russ kinne)
10. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: q (robert bean)
11. 07:26 AM - Re: q (ray anderson)
12. 07:31 AM - Re: q (JetPilot)
13. 07:59 AM - Re: nuts and bolts (ray anderson)
14. 08:04 AM - Re: Stall speed / GPS (JetPilot)
15. 08:13 AM - DC-9 (J W Hauck)
16. 09:39 AM - Transponder "Cert" question (Mike Pierzina)
17. 10:51 AM - Re: Transponder "Cert" question (JetPilot)
18. 11:10 AM - cotter pins (boyd)
19. 11:10 AM - kolb washout / trim (boyd)
20. 11:37 AM - Small video of kolb landing in winter ... (Noel)
21. 11:40 AM - Re: Transponder "Cert" question (Mike Pierzina)
22. 11:43 AM - Re: Transponder "Cert" question (Richard Pike)
23. 11:54 AM - Re: kolb washout / trim (Richard Pike)
24. 12:26 PM - Re: Transponder "Cert" question (Charlie England)
25. 12:28 PM - Re: Transponder "Cert" question (Mike Pierzina)
26. 12:59 PM - Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... (JetPilot)
27. 01:14 PM - Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... (flht99reh)
28. 01:33 PM - Re: Transponder "Cert" question (Ed Chmielewski)
29. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: Transponder "Cert" question (Robert Noyer)
30. 01:46 PM - Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... (Chris Mallory)
31. 01:50 PM - Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... (Chris Mallory)
32. 02:51 PM - Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... (Mike Schnabel)
33. 03:37 PM - Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... (John Hauck)
34. 03:42 PM - Re: DC-9 (John Hauck)
35. 03:43 PM - Re: nuts n bolts (Don G)
36. 03:53 PM - Re: Transponder "Cert" question (John Hauck)
37. 04:11 PM - Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com)
38. 04:27 PM - Re: Transponder "Cert" question (Mike Pierzina)
39. 04:48 PM - Re: Transponder "Cert" question (John Hauck)
40. 04:52 PM - Re: Transponder "Cert" question (John Hauck)
41. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (Mike Schnabel)
42. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (John Hauck)
43. 05:30 PM - Re: 40 mph stall (jdmurr@juno.com)
44. 05:32 PM - Re: Transponder "Cert" question (Mike Pierzina)
45. 05:36 PM - Re: Transponder "Cert" question (John Hauck)
46. 05:46 PM - Mode C Veil Question (jdmurr@juno.com)
47. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: DC-9 (Robert Noyer)
48. 05:56 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (Mike Schnabel)
49. 06:07 PM - Re: DC-9 (John Hauck)
50. 06:24 PM - Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (John Hauck)
51. 06:24 PM - Re: Mode C Veil Question (Roger Lee)
52. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (Mike Schnabel)
53. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (Jack B. Hart)
54. 07:30 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (Beauford)
55. 07:32 PM - Re: DC-9 (JetPilot)
56. 07:40 PM - Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... (Noel)
57. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Mode C Veil Question (Charlie England)
58. 07:48 PM - Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... (Noel)
59. 07:56 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (Larry Cottrell)
60. 07:56 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (Richard Pike)
61. 08:03 PM - Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... (John Hauck)
62. 08:08 PM - 2-Stroke vs 4-Stroke (frank & margie)
63. 08:12 PM - Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (John Hauck)
64. 08:51 PM - Re: Stall speed / GPS (John Jung)
65. 09:17 PM - Re: Re: DC-9 (Ed Chmielewski)
66. 10:51 PM - Re: nuts n bolts TRICK (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Stall speed / GPS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
My Firestar stalls at 38 or 39 when not in ground effect>>
Hi All,
I am a bit surprised that anyone knows the stalling speed when low enough
to be in ground effect. I don`t think I have ever looked at the ASI after
coming `over the hedge` and certainly not after the round out.
Surely at that part of the landing you should be looking at `the picture`
through the windscreen, keeping wings level and `feeling` for the ground,
not looking at instruments.
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
do repeated control checks, right to the stops ...>>
Hi,
don`t get me wrong, so do I, and check that the right aileron comes down
when I put the stick left but that is more to check against the possibility
of cross connected cables or some animal hibernating in the `works`
somewhere than the incredibly remote chance of a rock in the elevator.
Mind you I carry a bag of salt so that I can throw some over my
shoulder.....
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
You guys are correct about the turning bolts versus the compression bolts.
The nylocs are suppose to be used in a non heat environment and metal locks
used in "high" heat areas. And I mean HIGH HEAT areas like exhausts. You can
correct me if I am wrong (and I know you will) but on a few engines ( P&W R-985
comes to mind) the thing is literally put together with Nylocs everywhere.
I have been operating and maintaining these engines for 32 years cropdusting
and I have never seen a Nyloc (big or small) lose its locking ability from heat...or
melt out the Nyloc material. So when someone tells you ..no nylocs forward
of the firewall , there are exceptions .......and in this case some very big
ones....... Anybody know why every P&W overhaul shop in the country does this
? ....What's the basis for approval ?
When I am working on standard category aircraft I follow all the "rules".....
but on my Ultralights (non N numbered) I do what's "necessary" ...
Enquiring ED in Western NY
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| Subject: | Re: nuts n bolts |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@g-gate.net>
Thanks for the tips guys. When I read what should be done or why a certian method
should be used, I follow instructions. Avaition is a new world to me. I have
learned that "things" happen to airplanes that never happen to other vehicles.
I asume that this bolt method is a result of testing and or failure at some
point. Just for the hell of it if any of you care to take time, explain the 3
washer deal. So you wont think I'm a complete idiot, Let me give you some background
on yours truely :D .
My involement with "moving" parts began at the early age of 5 when my father gave
me my first home made motorcycle. He knew i liked to ride my bicycle with "no
hands" and warned me that this new motorcycle would not allow such. Well I
didnt beleive him and as soon as I was out of his watchfull eye (he only had one)
I tested his "theory" He was right!
My entire life I have built,raced,crashed motorcycles,boats and gocarts.
With this background, you can see why I cant see why a "rotating" bolt with a drilled
end and cotter pin is better than a nyloc nut. But because thats the required
method I will obey! Think about the old days with cars that had drilled
spindles with cottor pins. They fell off all the time. I have never heard of
a wheel falling off a front wheel drive vehicle with a lock nut :D One more thing
and I will go back in my corner and finish this Kolb. Airplanes in general
"construction wise" blow my mind. Example, This Kolb has a massive 1/2" bolt
that goes through the spar into a tiny tang that then has a super tiny pin that
holds our wings on. I trust it. Understand it? No sheesh!
Take care guys
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
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| Subject: | Re: Stall speed / GPS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
At 10:31 AM 1/14/06 -0000, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
>My Firestar stalls at 38 or 39 when not in ground effect>>
>
>Hi All,
>
>I am a bit surprised that anyone knows the stalling speed when low enough
>to be in ground effect. I don`t think I have ever looked at the ASI after
>coming `over the hedge` and certainly not after the round out.
>Surely at that part of the landing you should be looking at `the picture`
>through the windscreen, keeping wings level and `feeling` for the ground,
>not looking at instruments.
>
>Cheers
>
>Pat
>
Pat,
The easiest and may be the safest way to determine ground effect stall speed
is to tease the plane off the ground in the three point stance. Pick a no
wind day and use a hard surface runway and inflate the tires to the max limit
to minimize the rolling resistance. For the FireFly to lift off in the
three point stance, I apply about 5 degrees flaperon and I hold the stick
back against the stop. By very slowly advancing the throttle, you can get
it to float off at minimum air speed. If the runway is long enough you can
back off the throttle and repeat the process several times.
This is the method, I used to determine wing vortex generator placement
effect on the FireFly. With a little practice you can become very good at
flying at minimum speed a foot or so above the runway while keeping an eye
on the ASI.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
It was at LGA, there were I think 61 killed. I knew one of them
slightly.
do not archive
On Jan 13, 2006, at 8:55 PM, Ed Chmielewski wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski"
> <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
>
> Hi Pat/Russ/All,
>
> That very accident is why I and many other pilots I know do
> repeated
> control checks, right to the stops (no 'wigglin'). Can't be too
> careful
> when leaving the ground.
> I read that an aviation writer, may have been Bob Buck,
> witnessed
> the accident at the end of a trip. IIRC, the crew was
> repositioning (5 or 6
> killed?).
>
> Ed in JXN(MI)
> MkII/503
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 4:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>>
>> Years ago at LGA a DC-9 (?) crashed
>> because a rock had blown into the elevator-hinge when the pilot ran
>> up his engines; locked the elevators >>
>>
>> Hi Russ,
>>
>> What are the odds of that happening again? If we all operated on
>> the basis
>> of all those million to one chances we would all stay in bed.
>> That kind of thinking is being pushed by the hundreds of Health
>> and Safety
>> Inspectors that swarm over the country wasting every ones time
>> trying to
>> guard against zillion to one risks.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Not to start a long discussion but the rock got in during engine
runup, not takeoff roll. A last-minute controls check is not
"being paranoid" and would have saved 61 lives. IMHO it's just good
common sense.
do not archive
On Jan 13, 2006, at 9:46 PM, JetPilot wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
>
> edchmiel(at)mindspring.co wrote:
>>
>>
>> That very accident is why I and many other pilots I know do repeated
>> control checks, right to the stops (no 'wigglin'). Can't be too
>> careful
>> when leaving the ground.
>>
>>
>
>
> The procedure in the airlines is for each pilot to do one control
> check before takeoff. All the control checks in the world will not
> help you if a rock gets thrown into the elevator on takeoff. If
> you get a guy that is so paranoid about the controls that he is
> constantly checking it, repeated times before takeoff, he will
> probably forget something just as important such as setting the
> flaps, the trim, or a million other things that need his
> attention. Being paranoid about any item to the point of
> distraction is just plain bad.
>
> Michael A. Bigelow
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
> have !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3816#3816
>
>
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| Subject: | Proper angle for bend in 4130 landing gear??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Bickham" <gearbender@bellsouth.net>
Hello list,
Need some help and advice for the angle I should use to bend 4130 landing gear.
I am fabricating my own landing gear. I know some of you may respond that I
should just buy the +$400 set from TNK. I am using 3/4" axles and they only
supply the gear with 5/8" axles.
The cage sockets are at a 30 degree angle. I'm not sure if the bend results in
the lower portion of the 4130 gear is exactly perpendicular to the ground or
if it a little less than 30 degrees giving it a little bow out.
The pictures I looked at on the TNK website (Mark IIIX) have a little bow out.
Was that design or a few rough landings?
If any of you have the 4130 landing gear and can get a measurement for me, I would
greatly appreciate it. Pictures would be great too.
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C
Using my Repairman Certificate
St. Francisville, LA
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| Subject: | Re: Stall speed / GPS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Pat
That's what that cute sexy little blonde passenger is for! Let her do
the looking --
Russ
do not achive
On Jan 14, 2006, at 4:31 AM, pat ladd wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> My Firestar stalls at 38 or 39 when not in ground effect>>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am a bit surprised that anyone knows the stalling speed when low
> enough
> to be in ground effect. I don`t think I have ever looked at the
> ASI after
> coming `over the hedge` and certainly not after the round out.
> Surely at that part of the landing you should be looking at `the
> picture`
> through the windscreen, keeping wings level and `feeling` for the
> ground,
> not looking at instruments.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
I not only do a full range to stop check on the controls but also note
which direction they go. True it would be pretty hard to reverse the
aileron rods on a Kolb. -Reason for my "paranoia" was several years
ago asking about the wrecked Cessna 195 out back of an airport
maint shack. The aileron control wires had been done backwards
and the pilot did a slow roll on takeoff.
Replaying what that guy must have experienced in my mind never
left me.
-BB do not archive
On 14, Jan 2006, at 2:37 AM, Ed Chmielewski wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski"
> <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
> =========================
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
During WW2 I saw a C48 on take off, towing two troop gliders, nose up, way up,
as the wheels just left the ground. Had left the gust lock on the elevators. Nosed
back down and exploded. Not a pretty sight. A simple back and forth check
of the controls would have caught it.
Ray ....Tenn.
UltraStar
Do not archive
russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne
It was at LGA, there were I think 61 killed. I knew one of them
slightly.
do not archive
On Jan 13, 2006, at 8:55 PM, Ed Chmielewski wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski"
>
>
> Hi Pat/Russ/All,
>
> That very accident is why I and many other pilots I know do
> repeated
> control checks, right to the stops (no 'wigglin'). Can't be too
> careful
> when leaving the ground.
> I read that an aviation writer, may have been Bob Buck,
> witnessed
> the accident at the end of a trip. IIRC, the crew was
> repositioning (5 or 6
> killed?).
>
> Ed in JXN(MI)
> MkII/503
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pat ladd"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 4:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd"
>>
>> Years ago at LGA a DC-9 (?) crashed
>> because a rock had blown into the elevator-hinge when the pilot ran
>> up his engines; locked the elevators >>
>>
>> Hi Russ,
>>
>> What are the odds of that happening again? If we all operated on
>> the basis
>> of all those million to one chances we would all stay in bed.
>> That kind of thinking is being pushed by the hundreds of Health
>> and Safety
>> Inspectors that swarm over the country wasting every ones time
>> trying to
>> guard against zillion to one risks.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Im not at all familiar with the accident you guys are talking about. I would be
interested to read a report on it though if anyone knows what year, or what
airline it happened to so I can search for it on google.
There is no engine runup on jet airliners before takeoff, no airline does it.
Running up an engine on a commercial airliner is so hazardous, that you need to
get special permission from the tower to do it, as it could cause major damage
to any other airplane behind you. On a DC 9, the tail is far above and almost
over the engine exaust, there is just no way engine thrust is just not going
to blow a rock into it. If one did get in there, I would think it would have
to be on takeoff roll. What does throw things into the tail and engines on
the DC 9 are the main gear, and nosewheels when the plane is going fast.
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| Subject: | Re: nuts and bolts |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
I too have used 'nylocks' since WW2. The antiquated rules about no nylocks on
moving joints started before the nuts all had a nylon insert. If you are as
old as I, you will remember the first ones had a fiber material insert. These
could truly only be used one time and there was no 'sticky' grasp as with the
nylon inserts, which will continue to grab after many, many removals. Not so with
the first fiber insert nuts. I can understand the possibility of continued
turning forces starting those nuts to slowly unwind. The rule should be updated
to reflect modern materials, but FAA wheels turn slowly. Don't believe I've
seen any of the fiber ones in many years, although I still have some in my
parts cans.
Ray
UltraStar
do not archive
Edward Steuber <esteuber@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber"
You guys are correct about the turning bolts versus the compression bolts. The
nylocs are suppose to be used in a non heat environment and metal locks used in
"high" heat areas. And I mean HIGH HEAT areas like exhausts. You can correct
me if I am wrong (and I know you will) but on a few engines ( P&W R-985 comes
to mind) the thing is literally put together with Nylocs everywhere. I have been
operating and maintaining these engines for 32 years cropdusting and I have
never seen a Nyloc (big or small) lose its locking ability from heat...or melt
out the Nyloc material. So when someone tells you ..no nylocs forward of the
firewall , there are exceptions .......and in this case some very big ones.......
Anybody know why every P&W overhaul shop in the country does this ? ....What's
the basis for approval ?
When I am working on standard category aircraft I follow all the "rules"..... but
on my Ultralights (non N numbered) I do what's "necessary" ...
Enquiring ED in Western NY
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| Subject: | Re: Stall speed / GPS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote:
> Pat
> That's what that cute sexy little blonde passenger is for! Let her do
> the looking --
> Russ
>
My thoughts exactly, you beat me to it :D
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J W Hauck" <jimh474@earthlink.net>
http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/aircraft_detail.cgi?aircraft=McDonnell+Douglas+DC-9
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| Subject: | Transponder "Cert" question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Guys,
I just had a "FLASH" ( not a HOT one )
My Transponder still hasn't been certified....I have to steer clear until it
is.....
I have my "Repairmans Cert" for my bird....
Here's the question ( if you don't know.....Why answer ? )
Could I fly in an area where the transponder and encoding Alt is not required.....ask
a TOWER what "Alt"info they are getting on their screen to cross check
if that's my Alt , and ask them if they are recieving my transponder signal
OK.....and "sign off" the transponder MYSELF....
Now, if it's not correct, I'd probly have to get it Certified by somebody who
knew what they were doing....
But, after two years, with this same proceedure could "I" sign off the RE: Cert
Gotta Fly...
Mike in
MN
PS..... John, Your still my Hero !
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
I like your thinking Mike [Idea]
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net>
I like the nylon lock nuts vs the drilled
with cotter pins. One reason is climbing in and out of the airplane the
cotter pins will get caught on clothing and human flesh [Shocked]
++++++++++++
If you are careful to bend the ends of the cotter pins so that the ends fit
nicely into the recesses of the castellated nuts. it will not grab clothing
or flesh.
Boyd
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| Subject: | kolb washout / trim |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "rlaird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
The Kolb MkIIIc/912ULS I have has a strong tendency to turn left. The
bungee cord
does a fair job of countering that, but I'd like to effect a bit more
nominal
solution.
So, I have TWO questions:
1) I'm thinking about adding an aileron trim. Can anyone suggest
approaches to
doing that, suggest methods/materials, and maybe even details on how to do
it.
2) I've been told by at least two people, "oh, check your washout!" as if
to say
that might solve my strong-left-turning-tendency. And although I have a
very
general idea what washout is, I would have no idea about how to MEASURE it
and then, if were "wrong", how to correct it.
Any constructive comments?
-- Robert
--------
Robert
1 st aileron trim
If the plane wants to roll to the left, it would be best to add a trim tab
to the bottom trailing edge of the right aileron I built mine one rib bay
wide, and it was made of .032 alum. The measurements was, as close as I
can remember, wide enough to rivet to the ribs on each end.. and about 3
inch from front to back there was a bend at about the 1 inch mark.
The bend was enough so that when the 1 inch side was held flat on the
workbench the end of the 2 inch side was about inch off the table top.
The 1 inch side was riveted to the bottom of the trailing edge tube and
the bottom of the ribs. With the bend pointing down. After trial fitting
the trim tab. I put a piece of masking tape across the front edge where the
tab touches the fabric, then I ran my fingernail over the edge and cut the
tape ( do not use a knife ) when I did the final install I put a small
bead of silicone rubber on the tab where it contacted the fabric and the
excess squeezed out where the tape was cut. I then wiped the excess off
and removed the tape for a no smear installation.. I think I had 1 rivet on
the leading edge of the tab in the ribs and 3 or 4 across the trailing edge.
After trials you may need to bend the tab more or less.
2 nd. Washout.
Washout is a twist in the wing so that the leading edge and trailing edge
are not straight in line with each other. to measure you hold a level
from the leading edge to the trailing edge of the right wing at the inboard
part of the wing. Prop up the tail until the level is level. Then
repeat on the outboard end of the wing if the level is still level
there is no washout, or washin. Kolb wings should be built straight with
no twist.. if there must be an error it is better to have the wing twisted
so the leading edge of the outboard part of the wing is lower than the
trailing edge. Some aircraft have a 2 or 3 inch twist in the wings
this causes the wing tip to be at a lower angle of attack and will stall
last, giving aileron authority through a stall now that we have done
the right wing, leave the tail where it is and check the left wing the
inboard part of the left wing should be level, if not the wing attach
fitting may have been drilled incorrectly. Then check the outboard end of
the wing. It as well should be level again if there is an error it would
be better if the leading edge was lower than the trailing edge.
The worst case is if the center of the wings were both level and one wing
had the leading edge wing tip high and the other wing leading edge wing tip
low
If you have any further questions feel free to contact me
Boyd Young
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| Subject: | Small video of kolb landing in winter ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Noel" <noel@teledata.qc.ca>
Hello group !
I made my 200th flight in my good old Twinstar Mk II yesterday :D
I made a small video of one landing on my camera-phone ... and tought
of posting this on the new BBS.
This give an idea of flying in winter near Montreal, Canada ...
The video quality is quite limited ... but usable if you play it in original size
...
(looks quite bad in full screen ...)
The visibility was only about 6 miles ...
You will need a recent version of the RealPlayer to play the .3GP file.
The video size is about 1 Mb and last for 2:08
Nol Bouchard
Twinstar MKII
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder "Cert" question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hi,
I bought it thru Aircraft Spruce.....It's the Narco 155 Transponder w/AR850
encoding Alt... Total package was around $1,500 bucks....
I'm under Class B, and it's getting BIGGER ( KMSP )
The page of my website with the system is:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/LSXXIX.html
There was a little more to put it in than I thought.....BUT, it wasn't hard
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN / N381PM
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder "Cert" question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
If you are in flight and your altimeter has an error, and your Mode C
has an error, asking ATC how things are doing really doesn't tell you
much, because you have no known constant to work from. You need to work
from a known constant.
Try this: land at an airport with an approach control, and go to a point
on the runway or taxiway where the altitude MSL is known exactly, (it's
on the approach plate) then set your altimeter to the barometric
pressure on the current ATIS, and then ask ATC what your Mode C readout
is. (ground control can read it off the tower BRITE scope) Now you know
how accurate your Mode C is, and also know how accurate your altimeter
is. If either one is off, you need to go to an avionics shop.
Assuming they are good, climb to 5,000' (check current ATIS for the
barometric pressure) and ask ATC what your Mode C says, and it agrees -
good. Try it again at 10,000' and ask them again, and if it still
agrees, you are probably a safe user of the ATC Mode C system.
Probably not a legal way of pleasing the paper-pushers (should your log
books be examined,) but since you brought it up...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
FAA ATC (retired)
Mike Pierzina wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>
>Hey Guys,
> I just had a "FLASH" ( not a HOT one )
>
> My Transponder still hasn't been certified....I have to steer clear until it
is.....
>
> I have my "Repairmans Cert" for my bird....
>
> Here's the question ( if you don't know.....Why answer ? )
>
>
> Could I fly in an area where the transponder and encoding Alt is not required.....ask
a TOWER what "Alt"info they are getting on their screen to cross
check if that's my Alt , and ask them if they are recieving my transponder signal
OK.....and "sign off" the transponder MYSELF....
>
> Now, if it's not correct, I'd probly have to get it Certified by somebody who
knew what they were doing....
>
> But, after two years, with this same proceedure could "I" sign off the RE:
Cert
>
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in
MN
>
>
> PS..... John, Your still my Hero !
>
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
>
>
>
> Firestar I&II Forum
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kolb_Firestar/
>
>
> My Web Site:
> http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
>
>
> Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down...
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
> Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: kolb washout / trim |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
If you make your trim tab adjustable, then you can set it to level when
you have a passenger, and down when you are solo, and have no stick
pressure either way. Here's how I did it, crude, but works good.
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg6.htm
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
boyd wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net>
>
>The Kolb MkIIIc/912ULS I have has a strong tendency to turn left. The
>bungee cord
>does a fair job of countering that, but I'd like to effect a bit more
>nominal
>solution.
>
>So, I have TWO questions:
>
>1) I'm thinking about adding an aileron trim. Can anyone suggest
>approaches to
>doing that, suggest methods/materials, and maybe even details on how to do
>it.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder "Cert" question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Mike Pierzina wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>
>Hey Guys,
> I just had a "FLASH" ( not a HOT one )
>
> My Transponder still hasn't been certified....I have to steer clear until it
is.....
>
> I have my "Repairmans Cert" for my bird....
>
> Here's the question ( if you don't know.....Why answer ? )
>
>
> Could I fly in an area where the transponder and encoding Alt is not required.....ask
a TOWER what "Alt"info they are getting on their screen to cross
check if that's my Alt , and ask them if they are recieving my transponder signal
OK.....and "sign off" the transponder MYSELF....
>
> Now, if it's not correct, I'd probly have to get it Certified by somebody who
knew what they were doing....
>
> But, after two years, with this same proceedure could "I" sign off the RE:
Cert
>
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in
MN
>
I'm afraid that's one of the areas where being an experimental doesn't
get you a pass on the regs. Logic is probably that if it's not done
right, you could tangle with another a/c while under ATC's control.
Try the EAA for chapter & verse.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder "Cert" question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
> If you are in flight and your altimeter has an error, and your Mode C
> has an error, asking ATC how things are doing really doesn't tell you
> much, because you have no known constant to work from. You need to work
> from a known constant.
>
>
> Hi Richard,
> As far as knowing my Altitude, My GPS will give me that...
>
> But you make a good point to check it's "High & Low"...Thanks
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
>
>
> .
> .
> .
> ..
> .
> PS I like the way a message is posted "Right away" , before it would take about
45 min ....
> .
> .
> .
> ..
> .
>
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| Subject: | Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Brrrrrrrrrr, that had to be cold ! What were you using to keep warm ? When
my MK III is done, I will be flying all year also. Neat video, thanks for sharing
:D
Michael A. Bigelow
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| Subject: | Small video of kolb landing in winter ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
You shall fort-with be known as "Iceman"! Could we get some Floridian phone
video's on this site soon. I'm freezing here in Ohio and the winds are 35
MPH and the temp is 20. The last thing I need to see is a Walrus flyin, pun
intended. Actually quite an impressive video from a cell phone.
The good Ralph from Ohio!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 2:37 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Small video of kolb landing in winter ...
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Noel" <noel@teledata.qc.ca>
Hello group !
I made my 200th flight in my good old Twinstar Mk II yesterday :D
I made a small video of one landing on my camera-phone ... and tought
of posting this on the new BBS.
This give an idea of flying in winter near Montreal, Canada ...
The video quality is quite limited ... but usable if you play it in original
size ...
(looks quite bad in full screen ...)
The visibility was only about 6 miles ...
You will need a recent version of the RealPlayer to play the .3GP file.
The video size is about 1 Mb and last for 2:08
Nol Bouchard
Twinstar MKII
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder "Cert" question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Hi Mike,
My avionics guy says you have to be certified to make a log entry on
the pressure instruments, avionics, etc. Not just any A&P can do it, nor
one with a repairman's certificate. I'd leave the log blank and claim
innocence, rather than make a questionable entry.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Transponder "Cert" question
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> Mike Pierzina wrote:
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Pierzina <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Hey Guys,
>> I just had a "FLASH" ( not a HOT one )
>>
>> My Transponder still hasn't been certified....I have to steer clear
>> until it is.....
>>
>> I have my "Repairmans Cert" for my bird....
>>
>> Here's the question ( if you don't know.....Why answer ? )
>>
>>
>> Could I fly in an area where the transponder and encoding Alt is not
>> required.....ask a TOWER what "Alt"info they are getting on their screen
>> to cross check if that's my Alt , and ask them if they are recieving my
>> transponder signal OK.....and "sign off" the transponder MYSELF....
>>
>> Now, if it's not correct, I'd probly have to get it Certified by
>> somebody who knew what they were doing....
>>
>> But, after two years, with this same proceedure could "I" sign off the
>> RE: Cert
>>
>>
>> Gotta Fly...
>>
>> Mike in MN
>>
>
> I'm afraid that's one of the areas where being an experimental doesn't
> get you a pass on the regs. Logic is probably that if it's not done
> right, you could tangle with another a/c while under ATC's control.
>
> Try the EAA for chapter & verse.
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder "Cert" question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
It's now 10 years since I've had a tpdr Certified, so stds may have
changed. Basically the shop places a box with one side open, and
containing an ant. around the ship's beacon ant. The box ant. is
connected to a test set via a coax. Tests will cover both Mode A
(identication) and Mode C (altitude). You won't have to worry about
Mode S...yet. With the tpdr On and set to a given code, the test set
transmits an interrogation code train at a known pwr level. The
ship's tpdr will detect this interrogation and reply with its code
setting. The test set can determine the tpdr's rec. sensitivity,
verify its code detection, reply pulse train, and ck its pwr output
and frequency. The altitude encoder is ckd by connecting a calibrated
pressure source to the coder's input. The set's press. input is
varied, and the tpdr's alt. reply is ckd for accuracy...+/- 100'. An
additional test covers the IDENT function. Tech makes dated entry in
airframe log book. Altho it takes less than hr., charges (use to)
run abt $150...EVERY TWO YEARS!
I worked on design of first test set in '50...all vacuum tubes...AN-
UPM-4.
In case anyone is interested (still awake) the Mode C alt replies are
folded biquinary for 100's, and Grey binary for 1000's.
Somewhere I have a history of IFF/Beacons I wrote almost 50 yrs ago,
updated, including solving the Mystery of the Ghost Idents.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Small video of kolb landing in winter ...
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
>
> You shall fort-with be known as "Iceman"! Could we get some Floridian
> phone
> video's on this site soon. I'm freezing here in Ohio and the winds are 35
> MPH and the temp is 20. The last thing I need to see is a Walrus flyin,
> pun
> intended. Actually quite an impressive video from a cell phone.
>
> The good Ralph from Ohio!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 2:37 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Small video of kolb landing in winter ...
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Noel" <noel@teledata.qc.ca>
>
> Hello group !
>
> I made my 200th flight in my good old Twinstar Mk II yesterday :D
> I made a small video of one landing on my camera-phone ... and tought
> of posting this on the new BBS.
> This give an idea of flying in winter near Montreal, Canada ...
>
> The video quality is quite limited ... but usable if you play it in
> original
> size ...
> (looks quite bad in full screen ...)
> The visibility was only about 6 miles ...
>
> You will need a recent version of the RealPlayer to play the .3GP file.
> The video size is about 1 Mb and last for 2:08
>
> Nol Bouchard
> Twinstar MKII
> [/url]
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3941#3941
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbflight1_163.3gp
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
Ralph,
George Alexander and I went flying Thursday at Manatee (south side of Tampa
Bay), started out in long sleeves finished in Tee shirts.
Not bad for a January day.
Chris Mallory
don not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Small video of kolb landing in winter ...
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
>
> You shall fort-with be known as "Iceman"! Could we get some Floridian
> phone
> video's on this site soon. I'm freezing here in Ohio and the winds are 35
> MPH and the temp is 20. The last thing I need to see is a Walrus flyin,
> pun
> intended. Actually quite an impressive video from a cell phone.
>
> The good Ralph from Ohio!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 2:37 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Small video of kolb landing in winter ...
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Noel" <noel@teledata.qc.ca>
>
> Hello group !
>
> I made my 200th flight in my good old Twinstar Mk II yesterday :D
> I made a small video of one landing on my camera-phone ... and tought
> of posting this on the new BBS.
> This give an idea of flying in winter near Montreal, Canada ...
>
> The video quality is quite limited ... but usable if you play it in
> original
> size ...
> (looks quite bad in full screen ...)
> The visibility was only about 6 miles ...
>
> You will need a recent version of the RealPlayer to play the .3GP file.
> The video size is about 1 Mb and last for 2:08
>
> Nol Bouchard
> Twinstar MKII
> [/url]
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3941#3941
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbflight1_163.3gp
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
Noel, congrats on the 200th flight! Neat video, i was chillin' just watching, it
must have been cold!
do not archive
Noel <noel@teledata.qc.ca> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Noel"
Hello group !
I made my 200th flight in my good old Twinstar Mk II yesterday :D
I made a small video of one landing on my camera-phone ... and tought
of posting this on the new BBS.
This give an idea of flying in winter near Montreal, Canada ...
The video quality is quite limited ... but usable if you play it in original size
...
(looks quite bad in full screen ...)
The visibility was only about 6 miles ...
You will need a recent version of the RealPlayer to play the .3GP file.
The video size is about 1 Mb and last for 2:08
Nol Bouchard
Twinstar MKII
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[quote="Noel"]
I made my 200th flight in my good old Twinstar Mk II yesterday :D
This give an idea of flying in winter near Montreal, Canada ...
Hi Noel:
Super video!!! Got me all charged up sitting here in the warmth of my old lake
house watching it. Makes me want to get the old MKIII out and go flying. Particularly
liked the flight on base, turn to final and the landing. Looked like
the snow groomer had the day off today at the airstrip.
Where is your airstrip located? I'd like to fly through there some day. I have
flown north of Montreal, back in 1994, on the way around the States, but it
did not look anything like your video. Was a lot greener. ;-)
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Anybody find the particular "stone in the elevator" accident in the URL Bro Jim
provided??? He couldn't find it and I haven't had a chance to scan all of them,
yet..........
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Petty...
HEHe...you ha dme laughing on this one pard...and I know it doesnt make alot of
sense...
snip.....""" Just for the hell of it if any of you care to take time, explain the
3 washer deal. So you wont think"""
the 3 washers are so you can get the required 3 threads if the bolt is too long...
In true gov fashion....they have never told us why 5 threads are not as good as
3...but they have told us we can washer it up to get to their requirement...I
remember when I learned this back in school....made me laugh then too!
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[quote="Mike Pierzina"]Hi Richard,
As far as knowing my Altitude, My GPS will give me that...
Mike: Might not be a good idea to depend on GPS altitude read out. From my limited
experience with GPS altitude, it ain't so accurate. Everything else works
good though.
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With all the people using vortex generators out there, I was hoping to get a little
more information.
It seems that I definately want them, so what I need to know now is which ones
are the best. I hear of kits, I see some people make thier own. I just dont
know which design of vortex generator works the best.
Also, how many should I put on the wing, and what is the best location ?
Thanks,
Michael A. Bigelow
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Thanks Guys,
After all the replies, I think there's no way of getting around
the "CERT" other than a Certified inspector......( $125 - 250 is what I've
seen the price range )
I still gotta learn how to do "THE QUOTE" thingy.....I butchered it pretty bad.....???
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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> I still gotta learn how to do "THE QUOTE" thingy.....I butchered it pretty bad.....???
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
>
Mike: Me too. Practicing now to see if I have gotten it right this time.
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> Mike: Me too. Practicing now to see if I have gotten it right this time.
Mike: Highlight and copy what you want to quote.
Then click on the "quote" box above the msg box.
Paste the reference.
Click on the "quote" box again.
Drop down a line or two and start your reply.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
Also interested in VGs, Mike has asked all of my questions. I am leaning toward
a kit, since i do not have my shop set up at the new house. So far, the most
interesting seller is Landshorter.com, but i am interested to hear what the list
members opinions are. Thanks in advance for your valued advice!
Mike S
Manchester TN
Firestar 2 503
do not archive
owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com wrote:
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From: "JetPilot"
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With all the people using vortex generators out there, I was hoping to get a little
more information.
It seems that I definately want them, so what I need to know now is which ones
are the best. I hear of kits, I see some people make thier own. I just dont know
which design of vortex generator works the best.
Also, how many should I put on the wing, and what is the best location ?
Thanks,
Michael A. Bigelow
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Mike S
Hi Mike S/Gang:
I haven't put them on my MKIII and have not had a chance to fly a Kolb
equipped with vortex generators. I know some aircraft come from the
factory with them. I think the Aviat Husky is one of them.
Don't think I will try them until I am satisfied the vortex generators
do not degrade the excellent stall characteristics of Homer Kolb's
wing, nor my present cruise speed. John W already outruns me badly
enough with his 912ULS powered Kolbra, and I don't want to be left any
further behind than I am now. I have heard from Kolb folks that have
them that the gentle stall characteristics of the clean wing is
replaced with a sharp stall when equipped with vortex generators.
Also some cruise is sacrificed.
I am happy with the performance of my MKIII in the standard wing
configuration. It gets in and out of my 750 ft grass strip with one
or two up with room to spare, even with its poor approach and
departure because of obstacles.
So.........I'll wait and watch for some good tests results that will
convince me I would be doing the right thing by adding them. BTW this
is one subject I have never discussed with Homer Kolb. Have no idea
of what his thoughts are on them. I have heard he added some more
dihedral to his 1985 Original Firestar (OSH UL Grand Champ 1985) when
he recently rebuilt it. Haven't heard his thoughts on this change
either, but think they were favorable.
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My Firestar Weighs 355 and I weigh 200. We stall at 35 mph IAS
-- "Lloyd McFarlane" <lrmcf@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
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My Firestar II weighs 415lbs & I weigh 200. I stall at approx. 42mph.
Lloyd McFarlane
Fullerton, CA
My Firestar Weighs 355 and I weigh 200. We stall at 35 mph IAS
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MyFirestarIIweighs415lbsIweigh200.Istallatapprox.42mph.
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I keep getting it backwards....lets try this...
( my message was in Blue and the quote wasn't )
After a couple of "Previews" , I'm getting it.... Nice feature...
> Highlight and copy what you want to quote.
>
> Then click on the "quote" box above the msg box.
>
> Paste the reference.
>
> Click on the "quote" box again.
>
> Drop down a line or two and start your reply.
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> After a couple of "Previews" , I'm getting it.... Nice feature...
Shoot man!!! We be catching on. ;-)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" <jdmurr@juno.com>
What are the regulations for ultralights without transponders regarding being inside
the 30mn circle but not in Class B airspace? Thanks!
John
What are the regulations for ultralights without transponders regarding being inside
the 30mn circle but not in Class B airspace? Thanks!
John
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I left no DC-9 unstoned.
Bob N.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
John H,
Thanks for your thoughts. I have favored the idea of the VGs only due to my short
home strip (not yet flown from) which will have just at 1000' usable field.
I dont like the idea of giving up cruise or predictability of the stall break
for stall speed, but if i need it to make this strip work, its a concession
i feel is worth making. But if "Hauck's Hollar" is only 750, and you land a MKIII
(vs my FS2), maybe the 1000' is enough to not worry about the additional
efforts for stall speed reduction. Maybe once i get this field disced and leveled
i can get you up here for a few test landings for your opinion. Iwould offer
a steak and a cold beverage of your choice in exchange!
PS: do we still need the do not archive, with the new BBS???
Mike S
Manchester TN
Firestar 2 503
do not archive
John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
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| Also interested in VGs, Mike has asked all of my questions. |
| Mike S
Hi Mike S/Gang:
I haven't put them on my MKIII and have not had a chance to fly a Kolb
equipped with vortex generators. I know some aircraft come from the
factory with them. I think the Aviat Husky is one of them.
Don't think I will try them until I am satisfied the vortex generators
do not degrade the excellent stall characteristics of Homer Kolb's
wing, nor my present cruise speed. John W already outruns me badly
enough with his 912ULS powered Kolbra, and I don't want to be left any
further behind than I am now. I have heard from Kolb folks that have
them that the gentle stall characteristics of the clean wing is
replaced with a sharp stall when equipped with vortex generators.
Also some cruise is sacrificed.
I am happy with the performance of my MKIII in the standard wing
configuration. It gets in and out of my 750 ft grass strip with one
or two up with room to spare, even with its poor approach and
departure because of obstacles.
So.........I'll wait and watch for some good tests results that will
convince me I would be doing the right thing by adding them. BTW this
is one subject I have never discussed with Homer Kolb. Have no idea
of what his thoughts are on them. I have heard he added some more
dihedral to his 1985 Original Firestar (OSH UL Grand Champ 1985) when
he recently rebuilt it. Haven't heard his thoughts on this change
either, but think they were favorable.
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> left no DC-9 unstoned.
Bob N: Well...........after you got all the stones turned, did you find a DC-9
accident caused by one. ;-)
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> Maybe once i get this field disced and leveled i can get you up here for a few
test landings for your opinion. Iwould offer a steak and a cold beverage of
your choice in exchange!
>
> PS: do we still need the do not archive, with the new BBS???
Hi Mike S: That seems to have become my specialty. Last year, unbeknownst to
me, I made the first landing and takeoff on Ken Reeves airstrip over in West Alabama.
Did the first landing and takeoff on John Bickham's strip last month.
Be glad to come up and see what we can do with yours, especially since you have
dangled the steak and cold beverage on a stick in front of my nose.
I don't know about "do not archive". I haven't been informed, don't make the rules,
and figured I haven't been jumped on, yet. Reckon I'll leave it at that
until briefed differently.
I am still doing most of my primary List reading on the old email list. Seems
more reader friendly to me, but after all, I am very old fashioned and "stuck
in my old ways that work for me"!!! ;-)
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MKIII/912ULS
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Hi,
Your not allowed inside the mode-c circle without a transponder and alt. encoder.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
John H,
I am also still doing most of my reading on the old mail list, but i do like
the look of Matt's new forum. I hope to transition to it soon. But there is a
comfort level about the old list thats hard to leave!
I will keep you posted about my fields readiness (think that mid summer it will
be ready for some action). It would be my honor to have you visit and share
a meal, and talk Kolbs. Maybe i can get some of the other TN Kolber's out there
to come down too, have a mini Kolb get together!
Mike S
Manchester TN
Firestar 2 503
do not archive
John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
> Maybe once i get this field disced and leveled i can get you up here for a few
test landings for your opinion. Iwould offer a steak and a cold beverage of
your choice in exchange!
>
> PS: do we still need the do not archive, with the new BBS???
Hi Mike S: That seems to have become my specialty. Last year, unbeknownst to me,
I made the first landing and takeoff on Ken Reeves airstrip over in West Alabama.
Did the first landing and takeoff on John Bickham's strip last month. Be
glad to come up and see what we can do with yours, especially since you have
dangled the steak and cold beverage on a stick in front of my nose.
I don't know about "do not archive". I haven't been informed, don't make the rules,
and figured I haven't been jumped on, yet. Reckon I'll leave it at that until
briefed differently.
I am still doing most of my primary List reading on the old email list. Seems more
reader friendly to me, but after all, I am very old fashioned and "stuck in
my old ways that work for me"!!! ;-)
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MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
At 04:11 PM 1/14/06 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by:
>
>From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>X-Generated-By: M2F: m2f.sourceforge.net
>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:11:21 -0800
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
>With all the people using vortex generators out there, I was hoping to get a little
more information.
>
>It seems that I definately want them, so what I need to know now is which ones
are the best. I hear of kits, I see some people make thier own. I just dont
know which design of vortex generator works the best.
>
>Also, how many should I put on the wing, and what is the best location ?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Michael A. Bigelow
>
Michael,
After experiencing flight with VG's it would be difficult to go back to a
FireFly with out them. They enhance aileron effectiveness at slow speeds,
which helps greatly during a gusty cross wind take off and/or landing. One
does not have to pick up a wing with rudder during slow flight. The FireFly
will not break into a clean stall, it will remain nose up and mush and a
wing will not drop. I see no down side to them. Yes, there is one down
side, the do make it more difficult to wash the wings.
They are very easily made from 0.010 inch thick aluminum house flashing. I
made my own and I stuck them on with very thin double sided tape. I have
been flying with them for five and a half years and none have come loose.
How it was done can be seen starting at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly17.html
During testing, you may wish to use electrician's tape to hold the VG's in
place. When and if you decide you like them, you can go with the double
sided tape.
I can't prove it, but I believe you will get better performance by placing
them on the fabric in between the ribs. During my testing, I temporarily
placed VG's on top of all the ribs and then later added VG's in between the
ribs. Test flights showed that the FireFly flew off at a lower speed with
the most VG's. After I made "good" ones, I installed them only in between
the ribs and made test flight. I could tell no difference between them and
the previous flight, so I did not mount any on top of the ribs. I believe
that as the air passes from the front of the wing that it starts to move a
little side ways away from the rib. By placing the VG centered in the space
in between the ribs, it boosts the air back out.
Try them, you will like them. If by chance you don't you will not have
spent more than $10.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Brother Bigelow...
VG's, eh... How much money and time ya got?
Reports seem to be that they all work... some, apparently, are marginally
better. Some cost
big bucks... these are pretty, precision pieces of artisisan craftsmanship,
lovingly
cut to be the absolute twin of each of their fellows...finished
flawlessly...semi
invisible to the casual observer.... placed on the wing with appropriate
ceremony and
laser precision using state of the art technology, stainless steel jigs and
chants...
They work ...
Some (like mine) are Howard Shackleford's famous specials, cut out of a
scrap of aluminum
gutter flashing from Home Despot... on the rusty top of an old freezer, in a
cloud of Macanudo
smoke while consuming multiple gin Martinis.... and subsequently put
mostly somewhere
on the top part of the wing sometime during daylight hours...(as I
recall.....) Ground
observers inform me that the airplane now moans softly to itself on
downwind, but since I am
tuned exclusively to the metallic agony and clatter of the mighty 447, I
don't hear the
less threatening tones... guess my current bride was right, I really should
have used a ruler, or
straightedge or something when I glued 'em on...
But they work ...
Re your question, I reckon the conventional placement wisdom is about one
per rib and false rib,
with the leading edge of the VG gizmo approximately eleven point nothing
inches aft of the wing
leading edge.. that's where I recall most Listers said they were getting
good results, and that's where
I put mine. I concentrated the outboard part of the wing in front of the
ailerons...one per each
and every rib for six feet...then they got a tad more scarce as I went
inboard... (Ran out of flashing,
plus I didn't want to get inside the prop arc just in case...). I think I
have a grand total of 26 on both
sides. The pointy part goes to the front according to most folks, but I was
just thinkin', I'll bet a man
could get some really energetic vortices by running those puppies the other
way... I'll have to
ponder that a while...
I can report at least a 5 or 6 mph reduction in indicated payoff speed on
the firefly at altitude, but that is
NOT the primary reason I like them... I fly all approaches at 55 or 60,
pretending
as if it is going to stall at 45... then let the drag quickly bleed off the
speed over the fence ..the biggest VG
advantage for me on the short-wing Kolb is the way it behaves in ground
effect when completing
rounding out the flare from a power-off approach with my flabby 210 lb butt
aboard...
The VG's improved the feel of bouyancy and reserve lift of the wing down
in ground effect... Not exactly dramatic, but noticably better..
One nice thing about 'em... if'n you don't like what is happening and you
get a
substandard outcome, soak the double-stick tape with a little mineral
spirits
and peel the suckers off... as soon as the stink evaporates, you'll be
back at square
one and your close personal associates will be none the wiser.... deny
everything...they'll just
think you waxed the tops of your wings. Later you can sneak out and try 'em
again using a
different plan.
Bottom line from where I sit... Kolbs be blunt instruments...they pretty
much
axe-murder the air, as opposed to cleaving cleanly through it... Near as I
can tell, once a good
Kolb aerodynamic innovation is proven, excesses of finesse at the margins of
execution doen't often accrue major
additional advantages one way or another after the dust settles.
One suspects the entire VG business wraps around that fundamental high drag,
high lift Kolb baseline
of reality...drag, bugs and gravity always win. IMHO if a man truly craves
and seeks the exquisite pain and thrill
of walking the edge of life's razor, he needs to go buy a 150 hp Hayabusa
motorcycle or seek out and date
my first wife, not waste his time fooling around with fine-tuning schemes
about how to make 65 mph airplanes into
67 mph airplanes or a 37 mph stall into a 36.
Come to think of it, I reckon the VG enterprise falls into the same
fascinating overall category as matrimony;
it's half art, half guesswork, half experimentation, half engineering, half
money, half fun, half what you think you
can get away with, and there is some chance of getting maimed or killed
trying to make it work. The "fun" is
in taking a shot at it...
I doubt you'll ever get the "correct" final answer on VG's for your
particular
situation off the List...there are too many "good" answers... Why not just
go try one and adjust fire
later based on how well it does...?
They all work... ;-)
My opinion... Worth what ye paid fer it...
Yr Hmbl Svt...
Beauford, the aluminum butcher of Brandon FL
Toyota Pilot
FF #076
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Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Michael Bigelow
> > From: "JetPilot" <>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
> With all the people using vortex generators out there, I was hoping to get
a little more information.
> > It seems that I definately want them, so what I need to know now is
which ones are the best. I hear of kits, I see some people make thier own.
I just dont know which design of vortex generator works the best.
>> Also, how many should I put on the wing, and what is the best location ?
>
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I did not find it either. Being an airline pilot, i am familiar with most modern
airline crashes. I go over everyone I can so as not to make the same mistakes
others have. I have never heard of one caused by a rock at LGA. But enough
people are talking about it to make me wonder. I checked all the crashes on
the list, but did not see any caused by a stone either....
Michael A. Bigelow
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| Subject: | Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Noel" <noel@teledata.qc.ca>
John Hauck wrote:
>
> Hi Noel:
>
> Super video!!! ...
>
> Where is your airstrip located? I'd like to fly through there some day. I have
flown north of Montreal, back in 1994, on the way around the States, but it
did not look anything like your video. Was a lot greener. ;-)
Hello John !
Quite pleased that you liked it [Wink]
My airstrip is located north of Montreal, near a small town called Ste-Therese.
Here a google satellite map link:
[url]http://maps.google.com/maps?q=montreal&hl=en&ll=45.685077,-73.825378&spn=0.266709,0.774536&t=h
[/url] The valey of the St-lawrence river is a very nice place to fly around ....
especially in winter with it's many frozen river and lake ...
By the way there is a (Challenger) flyin in Montebello, Qc, Canada
this comming 28th and 29 th of january :
Usually many UL planes show up and all are welcome .... Any Kolber interested
... I should go on the Saturday (weather permitting) or Sunday .
Flying in winter is not that cold ... provided you have the right clothes.
With the enclosed cockpit it is actually much warmer than snowmobiling ;-)
The worse part is getting the plane ready especially digging it out of the
snow and filling the thanks ... but once you got it done then it's the best flying
that you can get !!! The air is so calm and the performances !!! I easily
get a climb rate of > 1200 fpm ... which is a 20 % increase in performance ...
and nothing beat flying (safely) at 3ft over a frozen lake or
river and landing about anywhere you dare to ...
My excuses for the long post ...
Nol
[/url]
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| Subject: | Re: Mode C Veil Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Roger Lee wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi,
>
>Your not allowed inside the mode-c circle without a transponder and alt. encoder.
>
>--------
>Roger Lee
>Tucson, Az.
>
Things may have changed since 911 enabled the storm troopers, but there
once was an exception for planes without an electrical system that can
support a transponder. This was interpreted to mean that you can have
electrical power but not enough generator power to keep your battery up
while the transponder & all other equipment is operating. You could
probably make a strong case that a 2stroke with only a 'lighting coil'
fit that description. Piper Cubs, Taylorcraft, etc have flown inside the
veil regularly in the past. You still had to stay out of the actual B
airspace, of course.
A call to your ATC (or better yet, a call to EAA's info line) would get
you current info.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Noel" <noel@teledata.qc.ca>
Sorry the map link for Montebello was wrong ...
and here is a link to the flyin site:
Nol
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS
>
> Don't think I will try them until I am satisfied the vortex generators
> do not degrade the excellent stall characteristics of Homer Kolb's
> wing, nor my present cruise speed.
OK John, when I see you at the Alvord or nearby You are going to have to
bite the bullet and fly my firestar. If you remember you refused last year,
and I understood your reasons, I myself am hinky about flying someone elses
plane, but only this way will you be able to understand the difference. I am
pretty sure that you will be able to get it back on the ground safely. :-)
I have heard from Kolb folks that have
> them that the gentle stall characteristics of the clean wing is
> replaced with a sharp stall when equipped with vortex generators.
Mule muffins! The break without is a hell of a lot more exciting than with
the VG's. Mine without, in a full stall, drops nose down sharply and takes a
lot more altitude to recover.
Larry
Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Hey John, next time you get anywhere close to North East Tennessee, you
need to take my MKIII and go fly it solo. We went flying in it together,
but you know how much better the MKIII flies with that extra seat empty,
go take the Old Pooperoo Hauler out for a couple hours, get a few
thousand feet under you and stall it every which way you want. The
stall is still nice, just a bit different. It won't cruise as fast as
yours, but the meager 582 is probably to blame for that, anyway, it
wasn't any faster before the VG's. (PS, forget about catching John W's
Kolbra, it ain't gonna' happen...)
Year before last at the Kolb Fly-In, Homer was very interested in my
VG's, took all kinds of notes, but don't know what he about them did
after that.
Will be curious to see if anything ever comes of it -
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
John Hauck wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>| Mike S
>
>Hi Mike S/Gang:
>
>I haven't put them on my MKIII and have not had a chance to fly a Kolb
>equipped with vortex generators. I know some aircraft come from the
>factory with them. I think the Aviat Husky is one of them.
>
>Don't think I will try them until I am satisfied the vortex generators
>do not degrade the excellent stall characteristics of Homer Kolb's
>wing, nor my present cruise speed. John W already outruns me badly
>enough with his 912ULS powered Kolbra, and I don't want to be left any
>further behind than I am now. I have heard from Kolb folks that have
>them that the gentle stall characteristics of the clean wing is
>replaced with a sharp stall when equipped with vortex generators.
>Also some cruise is sacrificed.
>
>I am happy with the performance of my MKIII in the standard wing
>configuration. It gets in and out of my 750 ft grass strip with one
>or two up with room to spare, even with its poor approach and
>departure because of obstacles.
>
>So.........I'll wait and watch for some good tests results that will
>convince me I would be doing the right thing by adding them. BTW this
>is one subject I have never discussed with Homer Kolb. Have no idea
>of what his thoughts are on them. I have heard he added some more
>dihedral to his 1985 Original Firestar (OSH UL Grand Champ 1985) when
>he recently rebuilt it. Haven't heard his thoughts on this change
>either, but think they were favorable.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Noel: Thanks for the info on your airstrip and also on the winter flyin.
During my 1994 flight I flew from Pembroke to Trois Revierese. During that flight,
I was about 40 miles north of St Therese. I landed one time during that
220 leg, but can not remember where. I do remember it was a beautiful area, and
enjoyed my flight very much.
I'd like to participate in the Winter Flyin, but my southern blood sould freeze
up solid. Stay in touch. Maybe I can fly up that way soon, soon as it warms
up a bit. Lakes and rivers are not in their normal state when hard enough to
walk and land on. ;-)
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "frank & margie" <frank-margie@worldnet.att.net>
Ref. the discussion last week on alternative 4 cycle power, go to the Valley Engr/Culver
Props site and check it out. (Looks like a Vanguard V-Twin.) 38 HP
@ 105 or 117 lbs.
www.culverprops.com
Frank Clyma
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Brother Richard: I appreciate your offer. After reading Brother Bill Tuton's
grand post on vortex generators, I ran right out in the cold and dark of night
to rip the valley aluminum off the roof. Luckily, before I actually did any
ripping, I realized I still have some left from the last time I built a gap seal
for my FS. I never throw away anything.
One of these days, when I muster up the courage to stick those sticky things all
over my wings, and it gets dark enough so no one can see what I am doing, I
may try VG's. Not worried about getting the wash rag snagged on them during washing,
because that doesn't occur but about one a year.
I am interested in the murmur that was reported coming from Bill's FF on downwind.
Does your MKIII murmur? Also like to know what kind of murmur it is. Really
got my imagination going now.
Take care friend,
john h
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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Stall speed / GPS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Pat,
After 10 years of flying Firestars, I can fly a few feet over the runway, watch
the airspeed, and fly by feel, without having to stare at the runway. It is a
lot like keeping a car in the lane on the highway while watching the scenery,
never staring at the road. It is a really good feeling to have a plane that feels
like it is an extension on me.
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John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Hi John/All,
That was a great link, they've improved it since I was there last.
I couldn't find it either, I thought it was a 707 or DC-8
(non-T-tail aircraft). Only thing listed due to 'jammed elevator' was a
DC-7C in 1962. Oh well, may be an urban legend?
I did find the one I earlier referenced, it was a NW Orient 727
crash in NY due to lack of pitot heat. Airspeed indicator turned into an
altimeter; the more the flight crew raised the nose, the higher the airspeed
rose. They kept chasing the airspeed until it stalled. Crew of 3 were
lost.
A very interesting one was a Yugoslav DC-9 that suffered a bombing
and broke up in flight on 26 Jan. 1972. 27 of the 28 on board were lost. A
flight attendant survived the ride from FL330 in the tail section.
To keep it Kolbish, my MkII is cold here in Michigan.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
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From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:41 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: DC-9
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Anybody find the particular "stone in the elevator" accident in the URL
> Bro Jim provided??? He couldn't find it and I haven't had a chance to
> scan all of them, yet..........
>
> --------
> John Hauck
> MKIII/912ULS
> hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: nuts n bolts TRICK |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
In a message dated 1/13/2006 10:04:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
lynnp@g-gate.net writes:
the control stick bolt. AN-4-7 (I think) is to short to get the required 3
threads extruding and the next 2 sizes will bottom out before snugging up the
connection.
Paul Petty/All
A good departed friend taught me this very simple trick.
If the castelated nut does not snug up enough on the bolt after you line up
the cotter pin hole, remove the nut, place the bearing surface of the nut on a
flat file and rub generously to remove a small amount of material. You will
be surprised how quickly this will permit you to get a more snug fit with the
cotter pin hole lined up with the bolt hole. This modification to the nut
helps to remove excess play in the stick control mechanisim and other joints.
Of
course, it will also remove the rust preventative coating, but greasing the
assembly will help to prevent any rusting.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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