---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/15/06: 69 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:19 AM - Re: Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... (snuffy@usol.com) 2. 04:33 AM - Re: Mode C Veil Question (N27SB@aol.com) 3. 04:35 AM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (Richard Pike) 4. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: DC-9 (russ kinne) 5. 06:07 AM - Choices we make and the downside to our sport (John Jung) 6. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (bryan green) 7. 06:49 AM - Re: Mode C Veil Question (Mike Pierzina) 8. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORSRe: VORTEX GENERATORS (Thom Riddle) 9. 07:23 AM - Mode C vieil question (flykolb) 10. 07:53 AM - Re: Choices we make and the downside to our sport (Larry Bourne) 11. 08:25 AM - Re: Choices we make and the downside to our sport (George E. Thompson) 12. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Stall speed / GPS (Ralph) 13. 08:49 AM - Re: Mode C vieil question (Mike Pierzina) 14. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Mode C vieil question (bryan green) 15. 09:19 AM - Kolb Travels (John Hauck) 16. 09:21 AM - Re: DC-9 (JetPilot) 17. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: Mode C veil question (kfackler) 18. 09:34 AM - Re: Kolb Travels (JetPilot) 19. 09:40 AM - Re: Mode C vieil question (Mike Pierzina) 20. 09:46 AM - Re: Kolb Travels (Mike Schnabel) 21. 09:48 AM - helicopter (ray anderson) 22. 10:00 AM - Re: nuts n bolts (David Paule) 23. 10:09 AM - Re: Kolb Travels (John Hauck) 24. 10:11 AM - Re: helicopter (Mike Schnabel) 25. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Travels (John Hauck) 26. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Mode C veil question (Richard Pike) 27. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: DC-9 (Ed Chmielewski) 28. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: Mode C veil question (kfackler) 29. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: Mode C vieil question (Charlie England) 30. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: Mode C veil question (John Hauck) 31. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: Mode C veil question (Ed Chmielewski) 32. 11:04 AM - Re: Re: Mode C veil question (bryan green) 33. 11:28 AM - Re: Mode C Veil Question (Mike Pierzina) 34. 12:14 PM - Re: Mode C vieil question (Mike Pierzina) 35. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Stall speed / GPS (pat ladd) 36. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: Stall speed / GPS (pat ladd) 37. 12:45 PM - Floats for the Mark III (Diego Ospina) 38. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: Mode C veil question (kfackler) 39. 01:00 PM - Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... (pat ladd) 40. 01:07 PM - Re: Choices we make and the downside to our sport (JetPilot) 41. 01:15 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (pat ladd) 42. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (pat ladd) 43. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: DC-9 (pat ladd) 44. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Travels (Mike Schnabel) 45. 01:33 PM - Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (JetPilot) 46. 01:34 PM - Re: Kolb Travels (pat ladd) 47. 01:42 PM - Re: Floats for the Mark III (JetPilot) 48. 02:03 PM - Re: Re: Floats for the Mark III (Diego Ospina) 49. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: Mode C veil question (Richard Pike) 50. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: Mode C veil question (kfackler) 51. 02:38 PM - Re: Re: DC-9 (Ed Chmielewski) 52. 03:42 PM - Re: Mode C Veil Question (Kirk Smith) 53. 04:26 PM - Re: Choices we make and the downside to our sport (N27SB@aol.com) 54. 05:11 PM - transponder cert (b young) 55. 05:11 PM - mode c vail (b young) 56. 06:00 PM - Re: Choices we make and the downside to our sport (Mark) 57. 06:30 PM - Re: transponder cert (Richard Pike) 58. 06:57 PM - Re: mode c vail (Roger Lee) 59. 07:09 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Travels (Larry Bourne) 60. 07:15 PM - Re: Kolb Travels (John Hauck) 61. 07:28 PM - Fellow aviator makes his final flight (kfackler) 62. 07:30 PM - Re: Re: Choices we make and the downside to our sport (Larry Bourne) 63. 07:31 PM - Re: Kolb Travels (John Hauck) 64. 07:48 PM - Re: Kolb Travels (John Jung) 65. 07:57 PM - Re: transponder cert (Jim Baker) 66. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Travels (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 67. 08:04 PM - Re: Kolb Travels (John Hauck) 68. 08:12 PM - Re: Kolb Travels (John Hauck) 69. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Travels (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:23 AM PST US From: snuffy@usol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... --> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com By the way there is a (Challenger) flyin in Montebello, Qc, Canada > this comming 28th and 29 th of january : > > > > Usually many UL planes show up and all are welcome .... Any Kolber interested ... I should go on the Saturday (weather permitting) or Sunday . Noel, Is camping permitted at your strip? Kirk ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:52 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mode C Veil Question --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 1/14/2006 8:47:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jdmurr@juno.com writes: What are the regulations for ultralights without transponders regarding being inside the 30mn circle but not in Class B airspace? Thanks! John This is a tricky one, I researched this one last year because I operate in the Orlando, FL veil. Clearly my Firefly is exempt because I have no elec syst. The reg says "Certified Electrical System" Antiques with no starter are considered exempt by Local FAA here. The gray area is in the case of a homebuilt with a non certified engine. My local FAA source(he used to do my engine inspections) told me that technically a non certified engine and electrical system is exempt but he did not suggest testing the theory. I ran a mode c on my EZ. BTW you can thank Ex Beauty Queen Ms Dole for this requirement. Steve B FF ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:42 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Yeah, it murmurs all right, but it's not the VG's, it's the Ivo. It's going warpwarpwarpwarpwarpwarp. I'm not sure what that means, so I mostly just ignore it. Bill's FF? It's the 447. It's going moneymoneymoneymoneymoney. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) John Hauck wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > >I am interested in the murmur that was reported coming from Bill's FF on downwind. Does your MKIII murmur? Also like to know what kind of murmur it is. Really got my imagination going now. > >Take care friend, > >john h > >-------- >John Hauck >MKIII/912ULS >hauck's holler, alabama > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4067#4067 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:33 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: DC-9 --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne Ed, all Most certainly not an 'urban legend' -- it did happen. Where & what was the jammed elevator you found ? Have you any details? The crash I remember was at LGA, may have been Eastern. There was also a crash in Boston about the same time? caused by a flock of starlings being ingested -- doubt this would be a hazard for Kolbs! -- messy tho. Do we still need -- do not archive? Russ Kinne On Jan 14, 2006, at 11:17 PM, Ed Chmielewski wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" > > > Hi John/All, > > That was a great link, they've improved it since I was > there last. > I couldn't find it either, I thought it was a 707 or DC-8 > (non-T-tail aircraft). Only thing listed due to 'jammed elevator' > was a > DC-7C in 1962. Oh well, may be an urban legend? > I did find the one I earlier referenced, it was a NW Orient > 727 > crash in NY due to lack of pitot heat. Airspeed indicator turned > into an > altimeter; the more the flight crew raised the nose, the higher the > airspeed > rose. They kept chasing the airspeed until it stalled. Crew of 3 > were > lost. > A very interesting one was a Yugoslav DC-9 that suffered a > bombing > and broke up in flight on 26 Jan. 1972. 27 of the 28 on board were > lost. A > flight attendant survived the ride from FL330 in the tail section. > To keep it Kolbish, my MkII is cold here in Michigan. > > Ed in JXN > MkII/503 > Do not archive. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hauck" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:41 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: DC-9 > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" >> >> Anybody find the particular "stone in the elevator" accident in >> the URL >> Bro Jim provided??? He couldn't find it and I haven't had a >> chance to >> scan all of them, yet.......... >> >> -------- >> John Hauck >> MKIII/912ULS >> hauck's holler, alabama >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4000#4000 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:12 AM PST US From: John Jung Subject: Kolb-List: Choices we make and the downside to our sport --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung Group, First, I'll repeat a couple of my upside opinions for a little balance: An airplane is the greatest toy in the world. Kolbs are fantastic airplanes. Having friends to share the experience with is even better. Warning; Stop reading now, if you can't handle the downside. This is about an accident that I witnessed yesterday and the choices that were made leading up to it. Saturday morning, Chuck and I, in our Firestars, flew 80 miles west over the Arizona dessert, to a Fly-in at Bouse. As soon as I got out of my plane, the airplane talk started, and I answered questions about Kolbs and Firestars. While talking, three planes took off. The first two had very short takeoff runs, helped by about a 10 mph wind down the runway. The third plane took much longer. It was a Quicksilver Sprint II, with two on board. Maybe 5 minutes later, I looked up to see the Sprint quietly descending a few hundred yards from the runway. It looked like a controlled, although steep decent. The plane went out of sight just before touchdown and I saw a flash of color, which made me think that it might have bounced. Many others also watched and headed over that way, so they had plenty of help. I decided to eat breakfast. Before, I could finish, someone came back to call for an ambulance, and to get some saws and other tools. I walked over to see what was going on. It was hard to image that it was really serious, because Quicksilvers fly slow, they were over a mostly open area, and they appeared to be under control to the ground. The plane had impacted the base of one of the few trees in the area. It's like, if you searched the area for the absolute worse place to land, that was it. I'm going to skip a lot of details now, except to say that it was like watching a TV show about paramedics and rescue, except that it was not acting and I was right there. The passenger was transported by ambulance to a local hospital and the pilot was transported 100 miles by helicopter to Phoenix. Now about choices: Remember that I said the Quicksilver had a long takeoff run? It was powered by a 503 and the passenger looked like he weighed maybe 250 pounds. The pilot had made the decision that he wasn't too heavy. When the engine quit, the plane was 200 feet or less from the ground, over an area of 10 foot hills, but mostly open. The pilot had made the choice to fly low over that terrain. Neither wore a helmet (that I could see). Another choice made. How could he fail to avoid a tree? I'm not so sure that the pilot could give a good answer to this question. But that won't stop me from giving my opinion. One of my two engine outs was in a Quicksilver from 100 feet. Here is what I learned. It happens so fast that it is difficult to project where you will land. In my case, I landed way short of where I though I would. I think that the pilot was looking beyond the tree, not having enough time to realize how fast he was sinking. My guess is that he had less than 20 seconds from when the engine quit until impact, maybe only 15 seconds. The choices that we make every time we fly can make a difference. I sometimes fly low, although I usually resist the temptation. I do wear a helmet every time I fly. I do not carry a passenger very often, and when I do, I try to make all the best choices. John Jung Firestar II N6163J Surprise, AZ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:54 AM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" Morning John h and all If you are serious about trying VG's John let me know how many you need and I will cut and bend you some (Brother Shack's design ). It may take a couple of week before you get them. Bryan Green (Elgin SC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:12 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > Brother Richard: I appreciate your offer. After reading Brother Bill > Tuton's grand post on vortex generators, I ran right out in the cold and > dark of night to rip the valley aluminum off the roof. Luckily, before I > actually did any ripping, I realized I still have some left from the last > time I built a gap seal for my FS. I never throw away anything. > > One of these days, when I muster up the courage to stick those sticky > things all over my wings, and it gets dark enough so no one can see what I > am doing, I may try VG's. Not worried about getting the wash rag snagged > on them during washing, because that doesn't occur but about one a year. > > I am interested in the murmur that was reported coming from Bill's FF on > downwind. Does your MKIII murmur? Also like to know what kind of murmur > it is. Really got my imagination going now. > > Take care friend, > > john h > > -------- > John Hauck > MKIII/912ULS > hauck's holler, alabama > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4067#4067 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:31 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C Veil Question From: "Mike Pierzina" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" I had asked my instructor about this before....Because there are Ultralight symbols under the Class B area....and I knew these Guys didn't have Transponders..... He said because they didn't have Elec Start..... But he probly meant to say they didn't have an Elec System.... So, If you have Elec Start.....But you start it with the "Pull Rope" can you go ahead and fly there....He he he Gotta Fly... Mike in MN w/ GPL on FSII And Narco 155 /850 Alt encoder [Wink] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4124#4124 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:31 AM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORSRe: VORTEX GENERATORS --> Kolb-List message posted by: Thom Riddle I no longer have my early Firestar but did install VGs for a while. They reduced the stall speed appreciably but most certainly made the stall a sharp break vs. soft and slow w/o the VGs. Since they did nothing for my normal landing speed and flying under full control at 40 mph was slow enough for me, I removed them. That was my experience. I tried the same VGs on my Titan Tornado with similar results. Again, since it did not reduce my landing speed (tail would bang long before stall AOA), I removed them from the Tornado too. Thom in Buffalo ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:59 AM PST US From: "flykolb" Subject: Kolb-List: Mode C vieil question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" When I was flying my Mark III under the Class B of Charlotte, NC I went to the local FSDO, explained about my electrical system (electric start) and about my plane and was told I did not need a transponder as long as I stayed under, not in, the Class B airspace. Just like Cubs and the like. Jim Mark III Now in Michigan (BRRRR!) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:42 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Choices we make and the downside to our sport --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" And now there's gonna be a lot of shoulda, coulda, woulda, over that'n. It'd be interesting to talk to the pilot to hear what he says. Too bad it happened. Lar. Do not Archive. Still looking over the new format........... :-) Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Jung" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:07 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Choices we make and the downside to our sport > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung > > Group, > > First, I'll repeat a couple of my upside opinions for a little balance: > > An airplane is the greatest toy in the world. Kolbs are fantastic > airplanes. Having friends to share the experience with is even better. > > Warning; Stop reading now, if you can't handle the downside. > > This is about an accident that I witnessed yesterday and the choices > that were made leading up to it. > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:38 AM PST US From: "George E. Thompson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Choices we make and the downside to our sport --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" I have always heard that when the fan stops on a Quicksilver, look strait down because that's where you are going to land. Az Bald Eagle Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Jung" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Choices we make and the downside to our sport > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung > > Group, > > First, I'll repeat a couple of my upside opinions for a little balance: > > An airplane is the greatest toy in the world. Kolbs are fantastic > airplanes. Having friends to share the experience with is even better. > > Warning; Stop reading now, if you can't handle the downside. > > This is about an accident that I witnessed yesterday and the choices > that were made leading up to it. > > Saturday morning, Chuck and I, in our Firestars, flew 80 miles west > over the Arizona dessert, to a Fly-in at Bouse. As soon as I got out of > my plane, the airplane talk started, and I answered questions about > Kolbs and Firestars. While talking, three planes took off. The first > two had very short takeoff runs, helped by about a 10 mph wind down the > runway. The third plane took much longer. It was a Quicksilver Sprint > II, with two on board. > > Maybe 5 minutes later, I looked up to see the Sprint quietly descending > a few hundred yards from the runway. It looked like a controlled, > although steep decent. The plane went out of sight just before > touchdown and I saw a flash of color, which made me think that it might > have bounced. Many others also watched and headed over that way, so > they had plenty of help. I decided to eat breakfast. Before, I could > finish, someone came back to call for an ambulance, and to get some > saws and other tools. I walked over to see what was going on. It was > hard to image that it was really serious, because Quicksilvers fly > slow, they were over a mostly open area, and they appeared to be under > control to the ground. > > The plane had impacted the base of one of the few trees in the area. > It's like, if you searched the area for the absolute worse place to > land, that was it. > > I'm going to skip a lot of details now, except to say that it was like > watching a TV show about paramedics and rescue, except that it was not > acting and I was right there. The passenger was transported by > ambulance to a local hospital and the pilot was transported 100 miles > by helicopter to Phoenix. > > Now about choices: > > Remember that I said the Quicksilver had a long takeoff run? It was > powered by a 503 and the passenger looked like he weighed maybe 250 > pounds. The pilot had made the decision that he wasn't too heavy. > > When the engine quit, the plane was 200 feet or less from the ground, > over an area of 10 foot hills, but mostly open. The pilot had made the > choice to fly low over that terrain. > > Neither wore a helmet (that I could see). Another choice made. > > How could he fail to avoid a tree? I'm not so sure that the pilot could > give a good answer to this question. But that won't stop me from giving > my opinion. One of my two engine outs was in a Quicksilver from 100 > feet. Here is what I learned. It happens so fast that it is difficult > to project where you will land. In my case, I landed way short of where > I though I would. I think that the pilot was looking beyond the tree, > not having enough time to realize how fast he was sinking. My guess is > that he had less than 20 seconds from when the engine quit until > impact, maybe only 15 seconds. > > The choices that we make every time we fly can make a difference. I > sometimes fly low, although I usually resist the temptation. I do wear > a helmet every time I fly. I do not carry a passenger very often, and > when I do, I try to make all the best choices. > > > John Jung > Firestar II N6163J > Surprise, AZ > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:03 AM PST US From: "Ralph" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Stall speed / GPS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph" Here in Minnesota we fly our Firestars inches above the frozen lakes. We fly for miles in ground effect only occasionally looking at the airspeed indicator. We are flying by feel and if we stall, the plane lands. This is what we do here in the frozen northland. Time to move back up here John J :) Ralph Original Firestar 19 years flying it -- "John Jung" wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" Pat, After 10 years of flying Firestars, I can fly a few feet over the runway, watch the airspeed, and fly by feel, without having to stare at the runway. It is a lot like keeping a car in the lane on the highway while watching the scenery, never staring at the road. It is a really good feeling to have a plane that feels like it is an extension on me. -------- John Jung Firestar II N6163J Surprise, AZ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4072#4072 Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:44 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C vieil question From: "Mike Pierzina" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" What about the Mode "C" Ring...... [Shocked] .. .. .. Your not in Class B but your in the Mode "C" ring :? .. .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike in MN ( California boy....Brrrr ) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4148#4148 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:28 AM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C vieil question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" Actually your not in the ring. The ring is from the lower altitude specified on the sectional up to the ceiling altitude specified on the sectional. Bryan Green (Elgin SC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pierzina" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C vieil question > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" > > What about the Mode "C" Ring...... [Shocked] > . > . > . > > Your not in Class B but your in the Mode "C" ring :? > > . > .. > . > Gotta Fly... > Mike in MN ( California > boy....Brrrr ) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4148#4148 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:43 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Travels From: "John Hauck" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" This is what Kolb flying is all about. Amazing the places this little Kolb can transport you. Near the Knik Glacier, Alaska, about 2300 hours, July 2004. That's Jim Stocker's PA-11 in front of me. We landed on the gravel bar in front of the large moraine at the end of the glacial lake. Jim knew were all the good places were to fly and land out. What a trip! http://xrl.us/jkks -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4154#4154 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: DC-9 From: "JetPilot" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote: > Ed, all > Most certainly not an 'urban legend' -- it did happen. Where & what > was the jammed elevator you found ? Have you any details? > The crash I remember was at LGA, may have been Eastern. > All modern commercial airliner crashes are well documented. After searching I can not find one that was caused by a rock jammed in the elevator. Im starting to think it is just an urban legend. It is possible someone is remembering a certain crash, but thier idea of what caused it is very wrong. Michael A. Bigelow -------- NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4157#4157 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:13 AM PST US From: "kfackler" Cc: "Lane, Grey" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C veil question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" The following is a copy/paste of the relevant FAR, with highlighting via capitalization added by me to indicate what most of us need to know: Federal Aviation Regulation Part 91 Section 215 ATC transponder and altitude reporting equipment and use 1.. All airspace: U.S.-registered civil aircraft. For operations not conducted under part 121 or 135 of this chapter, ATC transponder equipment installed must meet the performance and environmental requirements of any class of TSO-C74b (Mode A) or any class of TSO-C74c (Mode A with altitude reporting capability) as appropriate, or the appropriate class of TSO-C112 (Mode S). 2.. All airspace. UNLESS OTHERWISE AUTHORIZED OR DIRECTED BY ATC, NO PERSON MAY OPERATE AN AIRCRAFT IN THE AIRSPACE DESCRIBED IN PARAGRAPHS (B)(1) THROUGH (B)(5) OF THIS SECTION, UNLESS THAT AIRCRAFT IS EQUIPPED WITH AN OPERABLE CODED RADAR BEACON TRANSPONDER having either Mode 3/A 4096 code capability, replying to Mode 3/A interrogations with the code specified by ATC, or a Mode S capability, replying to Mode 3/A interrogations with the code specified by ATC and intermode and Mode S interrogations in accordance with the applicable provisions specified in TSO C-112, and that aircraft is equipped with automatic pressure altitude reporting equipment having a Mode C capability that automatically replies to Mode C interrogations by transmitting pressure altitude information in 100-foot increments. This requirement applies -- 1.. All aircraft. In Class A, Class B, and Class C airspace areas; 2.. All aircraft. IN ALL AIRSPACE WITHIN 30 NAUTICAL MILES OF AN AIRPORT LISTED IN APPENDIX D, SECTION 1 OF THIS PART FROM THE SURFACE UPWARD TO 10,000 FEET MSL; 3.. Notwithstanding paragraph (b)(2) of this section, ANY AIRCRAFT WHICH WAS NOT ORIGINALLY CERTIFICATED WITH AN ENGINE-DRIVEN ELECTRICAL SYSTEM OR WHICH HAS NOT SUBSEQUENTLY BEEN CERTIFIED WITH SUCH A SYSTEM INSTALLED, balloon or glider MAY CONDUCT OPERATIONS IN THE AIRSPACE WITHIN 30 NAUTICAL MILES OF AN AIRPORT LISTED IN APPENDIX D, SECTION 1 OF THIS PART PROVIDED SUCH OPERATIONS ARE CONDUCTED-- 1.. OUTSIDE ANY CLASS A, CLASS B, OR CLASS C AIRSPACE AREA; and 2.. Below the altitude of the ceiling of a Class B or Class C airspace area designated for an airport or 10,000 feet MSL, whichever is lower; and 4.. All aircraft in all airspace above the ceiling and within the lateral boundaries of a Class B or Class C airspace area designated for an airport upward to 10,000 feet MSL; and 5.. All aircraft except any aircraft which was not originally certificated with an engine-driven electrical system or which has not subsequently been certified with such a system installed, balloon, or glider -- -- 1.. In all airspace of the 48 contiguous states and the District of Columbia at and above 10,000 feet MSL, excluding the airspace at and below 2,500 feet above the surface; and 2.. In the airspace from the surface to 10,000 feet MSL within a 10-nautical-mile radius of any airport listed in appendix D, section 2 of this part, excluding the airspace below 1,200 feet outside of the lateral boundaries of the surface area of the airspace designated for that airport. ============================================== Sample of delimiters for Class B airspace within the Mode C: http://www.kfackler.com/bin/mode_c.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:15 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Travels From: "JetPilot" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" The tires on that cub are so big I bet he could use them as floats :D That is my dream, to fly my Kolb across the country and to places that no man has ever gone before [Mr. Green] I just cannot immagine anything better than that. Michael Bigelow -------- NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4161#4161 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:47 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C vieil question From: "Mike Pierzina" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" WHAT??? [Rolling Eyes] [Shocked] :? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4163#4163 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:45 AM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Travels --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel John H, Hope you dont mind, but that picture was so impressive, i downloaded it, and will use it for my desktop wallpaper... awesome photo! Thanks for sharing! Mike S Manchester TN Firestar 2 503 do not archive John Hauck wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" This is what Kolb flying is all about. Amazing the places this little Kolb can transport you. Near the Knik Glacier, Alaska, about 2300 hours, July 2004. That's Jim Stocker's PA-11 in front of me. We landed on the gravel bar in front of the large moraine at the end of the glacial lake. Jim knew were all the good places were to fly and land out. What a trip! http://xrl.us/jkks -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4154#4154 --------------------------------- Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:40 AM PST US From: ray anderson Subject: Kolb-List: helicopter --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson Not Kolb, but I'll throw this at our intrepid helicopter pilot, John H. Ray .... Tenn. UltraStar Certainly do not archive A good looking blond showed up at a fixed base operators place and said she wanted to rent a helicopter for a flight. He asked for her certificates and medical. She had all. He questioned her closely and decided she was O.K. She climbed in the helicopter, took off nicely, and climbed over the field to 3000 feet. Suddenly the engine quit and the copter descended wildly and suddenly, landing with a crunch. The blond climbed out of the wreckage unhurt. The owner and others ran over and asked what happened. The blond answered bewielderly, " I don't know, I was getting awfully cold so I just turned off the ceiling fan". --------------------------------- Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:15 AM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: nuts n bolts --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" Don't want to over work the issue, but there are few guidelines: If the bolt is primarily loaded in tension, more washers are slightly better than fewer, because they add axial stiffenss to the parts of the joint compared to the bolt itself, and under preload, that means that proportionally more of the load will go through the joint. But the effect disappears as you add more total washer thickness than the thickness of the washer's wall, in this case looking at a washer as if it were a piece of tube. If the bolts are primarily loaded in shear, then make certain that the threads are not in shear. Once that's done, minimise the amount of washers because more washers generally add length to the moment arm that puts the bolts in bending. You don't want to increase bending in a bolt. Don't ever cut threads on aircraft bolts. Dave Paule Boulder, CO ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:44 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Travels From: "John Hauck" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > John H, > > Hope you dont mind, but that picture was so impressive, i downloaded it, and will use it for my desktop wallpaper... awesome photo! Thanks for sharing! > > Mike S > Mike: You are more than welcome to use the photo. It makes me feel good to be able to share my adventures with my MKIII. Other than the self satisfaction of accomplishing a lot of things I did not know I could do with the Kolb, my rewards are folks enjoying the photos and stories from the trips. I know, I know, I need to take the time to write some articles, books, etc. I will, in time. I would appreciate, those that do use my photos, to give me credit for them. They are posted on the internet for all to see and enjoy. john h PS: High in the mountains north of Salmon Glacier, at the abandoned Gran Duc Copper Mine airstrip. Could write a short article on this photo and what it took to get here and back out of the mountains. Thought I was alone up here, but on the way out discovered a 4wd a few miles south of this location. This is about 40 miles north of Hyder, Alaska, southernmost village in Alaska. http://xrl.us/jkmh -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4170#4170 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:38 AM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: helicopter --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel :-) that was cute Ray! :-)~ Later this summer when my field is ready, you will have to find your way down here to Manchester... Have a hot grill, and a cold cooler with an assortment of beverages. Maybe, we can arrange a mini flyin to break in my strip... You, and John H.... are invited,.. and any others that can reach middle TN.... Mike S Manchester TN Firestar 2 503 do not archive ray anderson wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson Not Kolb, but I'll throw this at our intrepid helicopter pilot, John H. Ray .... Tenn. UltraStar Certainly do not archive A good looking blond showed up at a fixed base operators place and said she wanted to rent a helicopter for a flight. He asked for her certificates and medical. She had all. He questioned her closely and decided she was O.K. She climbed in the helicopter, took off nicely, and climbed over the field to 3000 feet. Suddenly the engine quit and the copter descended wildly and suddenly, landing with a crunch. The blond climbed out of the wreckage unhurt. The owner and others ran over and asked what happened. The blond answered bewielderly, " I don't know, I was getting awfully cold so I just turned off the ceiling fan". --------------------------------- Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --------------------------------- Photo Books. You design it and well bind it! ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:05 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Travels --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" For those interested, here is a good article about the Granduc Copper Mine and the diaster that occurred soon after it was opened. http://www.explorenorth.com/library/yafeatures/bl-granduc1.htm It is possible to reach the old mine by 4wd. However, during its operation, a tunnel was dug through the mountain, 20 km or so, I don't remember exactly and have not reread the article, to haul out the ore, rather than try to haul it out on the hazardous mine road which would have been closed by snow in the winter months. john h ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:57 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C veil question --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Bearing in mind that anything legally operating under Part 103 in not an aircraft, it is a "vehicle." So all the following you added is great, but does not apply to part 103 vehicles. Only aircraft. An ultralight is not legally an aircraft, as defined by the FAA. That is why ATC does not give ATC (separation) services to ultralights. Thus the whole Sport Plane bit. And Experimentals, to which that all applies. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) kfackler wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" > >The following is a copy/paste of the relevant FAR, with highlighting via >capitalization added by me to indicate what most of us need to know: > >Federal Aviation Regulation Part 91 Section 215 >ATC transponder and altitude reporting equipment and use > 1.. All airspace: U.S.-registered civil aircraft. For operations not >conducted under part 121 or 135 of this chapter, ATC transponder equipment >installed must meet the performance and environmental requirements of any >class of TSO-C74b (Mode A) or any class of TSO-C74c (Mode A with altitude >reporting capability) as appropriate, or the appropriate class of TSO-C112 >(Mode S). > > > 2.. All airspace. UNLESS OTHERWISE AUTHORIZED OR DIRECTED BY ATC, NO >PERSON MAY OPERATE AN AIRCRAFT IN THE AIRSPACE DESCRIBED IN PARAGRAPHS >(B)(1) THROUGH (B)(5) OF THIS SECTION, UNLESS THAT AIRCRAFT IS EQUIPPED WITH >AN OPERABLE CODED RADAR BEACON TRANSPONDER having either Mode 3/A 4096 code >capability, replying to Mode 3/A interrogations with the code specified by >ATC, or a Mode S capability, replying to Mode 3/A interrogations with the >code specified by ATC and intermode and Mode S interrogations in accordance >with the applicable provisions specified in TSO C-112, and that aircraft is >equipped with automatic pressure altitude reporting equipment having a Mode >C capability that automatically replies to Mode C interrogations by >transmitting pressure altitude information in 100-foot increments. This >requirement applies -- > > > 1.. All aircraft. In Class A, Class B, and Class C airspace areas; > > > 2.. All aircraft. IN ALL AIRSPACE WITHIN 30 NAUTICAL MILES OF AN AIRPORT >LISTED IN APPENDIX D, SECTION 1 OF THIS PART FROM THE SURFACE UPWARD TO >10,000 FEET MSL; > > > 3.. Notwithstanding paragraph (b)(2) of this section, ANY AIRCRAFT WHICH >WAS NOT ORIGINALLY CERTIFICATED WITH AN ENGINE-DRIVEN ELECTRICAL SYSTEM OR >WHICH HAS NOT SUBSEQUENTLY BEEN CERTIFIED WITH SUCH A SYSTEM INSTALLED, >balloon or glider MAY CONDUCT OPERATIONS IN THE AIRSPACE WITHIN 30 NAUTICAL >MILES OF AN AIRPORT LISTED IN APPENDIX D, SECTION 1 OF THIS PART PROVIDED >SUCH OPERATIONS ARE CONDUCTED-- > > > 1.. OUTSIDE ANY CLASS A, CLASS B, OR CLASS C AIRSPACE AREA; and > > > 2.. Below the altitude of the ceiling of a Class B or Class C airspace >area designated for an airport or 10,000 feet MSL, whichever is lower; and > > > 4.. All aircraft in all airspace above the ceiling and within the >lateral boundaries of a Class B or Class C airspace area designated for an >airport upward to 10,000 feet MSL; and > > > 5.. All aircraft except any aircraft which was not originally >certificated with an engine-driven electrical system or which has not >subsequently been certified with such a system installed, balloon, or >glider -- -- > > > 1.. In all airspace of the 48 contiguous states and the District of >Columbia at and above 10,000 feet MSL, excluding the airspace at and below >2,500 feet above the surface; and > > > 2.. In the airspace from the surface to 10,000 feet MSL within a >10-nautical-mile radius of any airport listed in appendix D, section 2 of >this part, excluding the airspace below 1,200 feet outside of the lateral >boundaries of the surface area of the airspace designated for that airport. >============================================== > >Sample of delimiters for Class B airspace within the Mode C: > >http://www.kfackler.com/bin/mode_c.jpg > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:55 AM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: DC-9 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" ----- Original Message ----- From: "russ kinne" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: DC-9 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne > > Ed, all > Most certainly not an 'urban legend' -- it did happen. Where & what > was the jammed elevator you found ? Have you any details? Here's the DC-7C link: http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_details.cgi?date=03041962®=G-ARUD&airline=Celedonian+Airways > The crash I remember was at LGA, may have been Eastern. > There was also a crash in Boston about the same time? caused by a > flock of starlings being ingested -- I spent hours going through the archives: DC-8, DC-9, 727, 747. Nothing jumped out as ' jammed elevator'. Could be another type? > Do we still need -- do not archive? > Russ Kinne I do it out of habit. Ed in JXN MkII/503 Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:53 AM PST US From: "kfackler" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C veil question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" By your reasoning, I can fly right into Detroit Metro airspace since I'm "not an aircraft." Isn't that silly on the face of it? Ultralights are required to comply with the other FARs unless 103 gives them a specific rule to the contrary, usually marked with the word "notwithstanding." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C veil question > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > Bearing in mind that anything legally operating under Part 103 in not an > aircraft, it is a "vehicle." > So all the following you added is great, but does not apply to part 103 > vehicles. Only aircraft. > An ultralight is not legally an aircraft, as defined by the FAA. > That is why ATC does not give ATC (separation) services to ultralights. > Thus the whole Sport Plane bit. And Experimentals, to which that all > applies. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > kfackler wrote: > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" > > > >The following is a copy/paste of the relevant FAR, with highlighting via > >capitalization added by me to indicate what most of us need to know: > > > >Federal Aviation Regulation Part 91 Section 215 > >ATC transponder and altitude reporting equipment and use > > 1.. All airspace: U.S.-registered civil aircraft. For operations not > >conducted under part 121 or 135 of this chapter, ATC transponder equipment > >installed must meet the performance and environmental requirements of any > >class of TSO-C74b (Mode A) or any class of TSO-C74c (Mode A with altitude > >reporting capability) as appropriate, or the appropriate class of TSO-C112 > >(Mode S). > > > > > > 2.. All airspace. UNLESS OTHERWISE AUTHORIZED OR DIRECTED BY ATC, NO > >PERSON MAY OPERATE AN AIRCRAFT IN THE AIRSPACE DESCRIBED IN PARAGRAPHS > >(B)(1) THROUGH (B)(5) OF THIS SECTION, UNLESS THAT AIRCRAFT IS EQUIPPED WITH > >AN OPERABLE CODED RADAR BEACON TRANSPONDER having either Mode 3/A 4096 code > >capability, replying to Mode 3/A interrogations with the code specified by > >ATC, or a Mode S capability, replying to Mode 3/A interrogations with the > >code specified by ATC and intermode and Mode S interrogations in accordance > >with the applicable provisions specified in TSO C-112, and that aircraft is > >equipped with automatic pressure altitude reporting equipment having a Mode > >C capability that automatically replies to Mode C interrogations by > >transmitting pressure altitude information in 100-foot increments. This > >requirement applies -- > > > > > > 1.. All aircraft. In Class A, Class B, and Class C airspace areas; > > > > > > 2.. All aircraft. IN ALL AIRSPACE WITHIN 30 NAUTICAL MILES OF AN AIRPORT > >LISTED IN APPENDIX D, SECTION 1 OF THIS PART FROM THE SURFACE UPWARD TO > >10,000 FEET MSL; > > > > > > 3.. Notwithstanding paragraph (b)(2) of this section, ANY AIRCRAFT WHICH > >WAS NOT ORIGINALLY CERTIFICATED WITH AN ENGINE-DRIVEN ELECTRICAL SYSTEM OR > >WHICH HAS NOT SUBSEQUENTLY BEEN CERTIFIED WITH SUCH A SYSTEM INSTALLED, > >balloon or glider MAY CONDUCT OPERATIONS IN THE AIRSPACE WITHIN 30 NAUTICAL > >MILES OF AN AIRPORT LISTED IN APPENDIX D, SECTION 1 OF THIS PART PROVIDED > >SUCH OPERATIONS ARE CONDUCTED-- > > > > > > 1.. OUTSIDE ANY CLASS A, CLASS B, OR CLASS C AIRSPACE AREA; and > > > > > > 2.. Below the altitude of the ceiling of a Class B or Class C airspace > >area designated for an airport or 10,000 feet MSL, whichever is lower; and > > > > > > 4.. All aircraft in all airspace above the ceiling and within the > >lateral boundaries of a Class B or Class C airspace area designated for an > >airport upward to 10,000 feet MSL; and > > > > > > 5.. All aircraft except any aircraft which was not originally > >certificated with an engine-driven electrical system or which has not > >subsequently been certified with such a system installed, balloon, or > >glider -- -- > > > > > > 1.. In all airspace of the 48 contiguous states and the District of > >Columbia at and above 10,000 feet MSL, excluding the airspace at and below > >2,500 feet above the surface; and > > > > > > 2.. In the airspace from the surface to 10,000 feet MSL within a > >10-nautical-mile radius of any airport listed in appendix D, section 2 of > >this part, excluding the airspace below 1,200 feet outside of the lateral > >boundaries of the surface area of the airspace designated for that airport. > >============================================== > > > >Sample of delimiters for Class B airspace within the Mode C: > > > >http://www.kfackler.com/bin/mode_c.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:19 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C vieil question --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England Mike Pierzina wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" > >WHAT??? [Rolling Eyes] [Shocked] :? > The above might be a downside to using the bbs instead of the list. To what prior post does this refer? There have been a lot of posts on this topic. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:14 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C veil question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" since I'm | "not an aircraft." Isn't that silly on the face of it? Ultralights are | required to comply with the other FARs unless 103 gives them a specific rule | to the contrary, usually marked with the word "notwithstanding." Ken: Without reading Part 103 again, ULs are not authorized in any controlled airspace without specific permission to do so by the controlling authority. john h ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:17 AM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C veil question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" Hiya Ken & All, FAR 103.17 states: "No person may operate an ultralight vehicle within Class A, Class B, Class C, or Class D airspace or within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport unless that person has prior authorization from the ATC facility having jurisdiction over that airspace." Ed in JXN MkII/503 ----- Original Message ----- From: "kfackler" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:29 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C veil question > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" > > By your reasoning, I can fly right into Detroit Metro airspace since I'm > "not an aircraft." Isn't that silly on the face of it? Ultralights are > required to comply with the other FARs unless 103 gives them a specific > rule > to the contrary, usually marked with the word "notwithstanding." ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:58 AM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C veil question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" Here is the ultralight thing. 103.17 Operation in certain airspaces. No person may operate an ultralight vehicle within Class A, Class B, Class C, Class D airspace or within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport unless that person has prior authorization from the ATC facility having jurisdiction over that airspace. Bryan Green (Elgin SC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C veil question > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > Bearing in mind that anything legally operating under Part 103 in not an > aircraft, it is a "vehicle." > So all the following you added is great, but does not apply to part 103 > vehicles. Only aircraft. > An ultralight is not legally an aircraft, as defined by the FAA. > That is why ATC does not give ATC (separation) services to ultralights. > Thus the whole Sport Plane bit. And Experimentals, to which that all >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:42 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C Veil Question From: "Mike Pierzina" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" That didn't say anything aboutMODE "C" Gotta Fly... Mike in MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4197#4197 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:58 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C vieil question From: "Mike Pierzina" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" > > > Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: Mode C vieil question > > > Mike Pierzina wrote: > > Quote: > > > WHAT??? [Rolling Eyes] [Shocked] > > > > The above might be a downside to using the bbs instead of the list. To > what prior post does this refer? There have been a lot of posts on this > topic. > > > > Sorry, I didn't realize that.... > > Here is WHAT... I was responding to... > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Post subject: Mode C vieil question > > > Actually your not in the ring. The ring is from the lower altitude specified > on the sectional up to the ceiling altitude specified on the sectional. > Bryan Green (Elgin SC) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > > Seems to me that if your under the Class "B"....you"ARE" in the Mode "C" ring....also the Mode "C" ring has a bigger Diameter than the "B" > > I'll try to keep the other list in mind when I responed.... > > Gotta Fly... > Mike in MN > > PS ...Still don't know about the Do not archive....??? Out the window... > > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4206#4206 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:20 PM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Stall speed / GPS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" The easiest and may be the safest way to determine ground effect stall speed is to tease the plane off the ground in the three point stance.>> Hi, I am sure you are right. When I leave the ground my object (usually) is to get as far from it as quickly as possible. Bad things don `t happen when you are flying. Its when you touch the hard stuff that all the nasties start. I saw a TV thing last night and one of the characters said "You shouldn`t be afraid of flying. Its crashing you should be afraid of``. That about sums it up. Low flying should be done with bags of speed not messing about around the stall. A couple of good pictures exist. One is a Sunderland flying boat (its a big plane, 4 engines and 2 decks) flying down the runway at Phenurpai (Sp) in New Zealand with dust and bits of plane flying into the air. The other is a painting which depicts a Boston or a Havoc during the first raid which the Americans made on the Continent (I think they borrowed the planes from the RAF) to celebrate the anniversary of the Yanks arrival in the UK. One hit the runway, it was supposed to be low level, but bounced back into the air and made it home. In my book, unless you are landing, low level and low speed are not comfortable bed mates. Cheers Pat -- ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:31 PM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Stall speed / GPS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" That's what that cute sexy little blonde passenger is for! >> Hi Russ, you wouldn`t trust a blonde to give you the right time of day, let alone your airspeed, Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:50 PM PST US From: Diego Ospina Subject: Kolb-List: Floats for the Mark III --> Kolb-List message posted by: Diego Ospina Hello everyone, My name is Diego Ospina I live in Colombia and I'm the proud owner of a Kolb Mark III Classic that I bought from the old Kolb Company. I have a question for those of you who have installed the Full Lotus floats on the Mark III; I have seen many pictures where they have installed the 1220 model on their planes, however Full Lotus recommends the 1260 which is heavier, longer and costs a bit more. According to your experience, what model of floats should I order? I also want to know if there is a bolt on float kit for the Mark III on the market Thanks and good flying Diego Ospina ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:08 PM PST US From: "kfackler" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C veil question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" > By your reasoning, I can fly right into Detroit Metro airspace since I'm > "not an aircraft." Isn't that silly on the face of it? Ultralights are > required to comply with the other FARs unless 103 gives them a > specific rule to the contrary, usually marked with the word "notwithstanding." > Without reading Part 103 again, ULs are not authorized in any > controlled airspace without specific permission to do so by the > controlling authority. Yes, that's true, which exemplifies my point, that some provisions of FAR 103 may supercede the other regs, but arguing that the other regs don't apply to ultralights is, well, as I said, silly. -Ken ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:08 PM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Small video of kolb landing in winter ... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" The video quality is quite limited >> Hi, never mind. At last I can see that there is actually a use for a camera on a phone. Why are you not inside with a large single malt and a blazing fire instead of messing about in all that white stuff.? great pics. Thanks Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:37 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Choices we make and the downside to our sport From: "JetPilot" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" Quicksilver [Shocked] ??? You might as well try to make a tumbleweed glide... -------- NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4220#4220 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:37 PM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" Also interested in VGs>> Hi Guys, Mick Moulai,(Kiwimick) the UK and European dealer has got approval from the PFA (like your EAA) for the VG`s he imports. Also from the CAA (your FAA). We cannot just make mods such as this without approval. He has checked the results pretty thoroughly and can give you the pukka gen . I have them fitted to my Xtra but as authority has not cleared the test flying yet I cannot comment from personal experience. Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:36 PM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" I am still doing most of my primary List reading on the old email list. >> I am with you John. The old system seems much easier to navigate but the extra dimension the BBS gives ( should we have had the phone./camera pics on the ols system?) makes it a useful backup. Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:14 PM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: DC-9 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" A flight attendant survived the ride from FL330 in the tail section.>>< Hi Ed, is this another urban legend?. There was a story circulating around my area during the war about a rear gunner who made it to the ground in the tail section of a Lancaster when it broke off after an attack by a Me 109. Could never verify it. Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:41 PM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Travels --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel John H, Thank you for another wonderful photo, a very picturesque scene. And thank you also for sharing with (and inspiring) us to see the limitless boundaries that these seemingly simple but amazing little airplanes are capable of accomplishing. You really should consider writing about your travels. I dismay that it might not hit the NY Times top 10 best seller list (well, then again, it could happen), but on this list, it would be a sure fire #1. I am one of many who have been inspired by your adventures, and hope to someday (soon) accomplish a few of my own (on a much smaller scale), And rest assured, as I am asked about the story behind the photos, you are given full credit, which is only just fully due. Thanks for sharing! Mike S Manchester TN Firestar 2 503 do not archive John Hauck wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > John H, > > Hope you dont mind, but that picture was so impressive, i downloaded it, and will use it for my desktop wallpaper... awesome photo! Thanks for sharing! > > Mike S > Mike: You are more than welcome to use the photo. It makes me feel good to be able to share my adventures with my MKIII. Other than the self satisfaction of accomplishing a lot of things I did not know I could do with the Kolb, my rewards are folks enjoying the photos and stories from the trips. I know, I know, I need to take the time to write some articles, books, etc. I will, in time. I would appreciate, those that do use my photos, to give me credit for them. They are posted on the internet for all to see and enjoy. john h PS: High in the mountains north of Salmon Glacier, at the abandoned Gran Duc Copper Mine airstrip. Could write a short article on this photo and what it took to get here and back out of the mountains. Thought I was alone up here, but on the way out discovered a 4wd a few miles south of this location. This is about 40 miles north of Hyder, Alaska, southernmost village in Alaska. http://xrl.us/jkmh -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4170#4170 --------------------------------- Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:59 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS From: "JetPilot" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote: > > > I have them fitted to my Xtra but as authority has not cleared the test > flying yet I cannot comment from personal experience. > > Thats horrible to live in a place where the government is such control freaks. I hate to say it, but it gets more like that every day here in the US also. Give it enough time, and we will need permission to go out the front door. Its the same old story through the ages, people are passive, and slowly loose thier freedoms until they find themselves enslaved. Personally, If I were in your place, I would put them on my Kolb, fly it, and the government would never know about it [Mr. Green] -------- NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4227#4227 ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:50 PM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Travels --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" We landed on the gravel bar in front of the large moraine >. John, you should write a book. Illustrated with your pics it would be a sure fire seller throughout the flying world. I would buy one for a start. Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:01 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Floats for the Mark III From: "JetPilot" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" Hola Diego, I have been to Columbia several times, and lived in South America for 3 years. I would love to fly a Kolb in South America, it is an incredibly beautiful place. I hope you are flying a Rotax 912 though, because you know an off airport landing in Columbia could very well be fatal, and not because of obsructions [Shocked] What city are you in ? Im guessing Cartegena if you are wanting floats [Wink] Its good to see someone from down south here on the list, I hope you can post pictures and stroies when you start flying. Bienvenidos a la lista. Michael A. Bigelow -------- NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4232#4232 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mikeperumachupichu8_17_2002_33_104.jpg ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:14 PM PST US From: Diego Ospina Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Floats for the Mark III --> Kolb-List message posted by: Diego Ospina Thank you for your post Michael I wish I had a 912. I have a 582 but I haven't had any problems with it yet (200 hrs.). I live in Medellin but I don't fly it here, I have a farm in the northern part of Colombia not very far from Cartagena and that is where I like to fly - lots of open space and beautiful scenery. I will post pictures of my plane once I have it on floats -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] En nombre de JetPilot Enviado el: Domingo, 15 de Enero de 2006 04:42 p.m. Para: kolb-list@matronics.com Asunto: Kolb-List: Re: Floats for the Mark III --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" Hola Diego, I have been to Columbia several times, and lived in South America for 3 years. I would love to fly a Kolb in South America, it is an incredibly beautiful place. I hope you are flying a Rotax 912 though, because you know an off airport landing in Columbia could very well be fatal, and not because of obsructions [Shocked] What city are you in ? Im guessing Cartegena if you are wanting floats [Wink] Its good to see someone from down south here on the list, I hope you can post pictures and stroies when you start flying. Bienvenidos a la lista. Michael A. Bigelow -------- NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4232#4232 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mikeperumachupichu8_17_2002_33_104.jpg ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:03 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C veil question --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Sorry for the confusion. Never meant to imply that part 103 vehicles could go where no one else could, was merely attempting to add one more facet to the original question by John Murr, which was: What are the regulations for ultralights without transponders regarding being inside the 30nm circle but not in Class B airspace? Thanks! John And all the replies focused on what sort of electrical system was involved. However what I was trying to point out is that ultralights are not any part of any of the regs that were quoted in those replies. But since I omitted the part about ultralights not being allowed in controlled airspace anyway, I can see how you drew your conclusion. As far as "Ultralights are required to comply with the other FAR's unless part 103 gives them a specific rule to the contrary," that depends on which FAR's you are referencing. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) kfackler wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" > > > >> By your reasoning, I can fly right into Detroit Metro airspace since I'm >>"not an aircraft." Isn't that silly on the face of it? Ultralights are >>required to comply with the other FARs unless 103 gives them a >>specific rule to the contrary, usually marked with the word >> >> >"notwithstanding." > > > > >>Without reading Part 103 again, ULs are not authorized in any >>controlled airspace without specific permission to do so by the >>controlling authority. >> >> > >Yes, that's true, which exemplifies my point, that some provisions of FAR >103 may supercede the other regs, but arguing that the other regs don't >apply to ultralights is, well, as I said, silly. > >-Ken > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:58 PM PST US From: "kfackler" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C veil question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" > Sorry for the confusion. Never meant to imply that part 103 vehicles > could go where no one else could, was merely attempting to add one more > facet to the original question Got you. Good point. > As far as "Ultralights are required to comply with the other FAR's > unless part 103 gives them a specific rule to the contrary," that > depends on which FAR's you are referencing. Yeah, and to some extent, which person you ask and on what day! In any case, you're darn right "it depends." -Ken do not archive ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:30 PM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: DC-9 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" Hi Pat, Sure. I make stuff up all the time. "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story." Or you could read it here: http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_details.cgi?date=01261972®=YU-AHT&airline=JAT+Yugoslav+Airlines I believe I did say it was in the archives. There was another civil accident involving a Cessna 337P pressurized Skymaster (push-pull twin) years ago with 2 aboard. Going on memory, the cabin had a pressurization problem and the aircraft continued climbing to about FL250 due to both aboard being incapacitated. Aircraft entered an area of weather (read 'thunderstorm') and disappearred from radar. It was found in a large tree, missing most of one wing. The female pax survived, the pilot died - not from the crash, but from hypoxia. In the NTSB archives. Ed in JXN MkII/503 Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat ladd" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: DC-9 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" > > A > flight attendant survived the ride from FL330 in the tail section.>>< > > Hi Ed, > is this another urban legend?. There was a story circulating around my > area > during the war about a rear gunner who made it to the ground in the tail > section of a Lancaster when it broke off after an attack by a Me 109. > Could > never verify it. > > Pat > > do not archive > > > -- > > > ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mode C Veil Question From: "Kirk Smith" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" What are the regulations for ultralights without transponders regarding being inside the 30mn circle but not in Class B airspace? Thanks! John I'd call the FAA ........... [Wink] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4249#4249 ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:11 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Choices we make and the downside to our sport --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 1/15/2006 8:26:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, eagle1@commspeed.net writes: I have always heard that when the fan stops on a Quicksilver, look strait down because that's where you are going to land. Az Bald Eagle About the 3rd tie I flew with E.P. in his Quicksilver on floats I was flying at about 200 ft over the Key West channel. He asked me not to straddle the channel markers because if we had an engine out we were screwed. He demonstrated this to Me later Sans marker. The QS2 goes Straight Down. Its like a parachute. Steve B FF#007 ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:51 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Kolb-List: transponder cert --> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" Try this: land at an airport with an approach control, and go to a point on the runway or taxiway where the altitude MSL is known exactly, (it's on the approach plate) then set your altimeter to the barometric pressure on the current ATIS, and then ask ATC what your Mode C readout is. (ground control can read it off the tower BRITE scope) Now you know how accurate your Mode C is, and also know how accurate your altimeter is. If either one is off, you need to go to an avionics shop. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx if i remember corectly the blind encoders are set to 29.92 inches of mercury..... and will only match exactly if your altimiter is set for 29.92 inches..... also the blind encoders only change altitude every 100 ft. and i would have to do some research to remember if they switch at an even 100 ft or if they switch at the 50 ft intervals. ie 45050 4650 4750 vs 4500 4600 4700 if i have mis understood this information please someone set me straight. boyd young ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:52 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Kolb-List: mode c vail --> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" Hi, Your not allowed inside the mode-c circle without a transponder and alt. encoder. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. xxxxxxxxxxxx if you call an hour or more in advance you can get permission to go through........ every year I go to MV I have to call to get permission....... also if you have no electrical system you can get a permanent waver...... but when I have traveled through I am reminded to get the equipment installed and working..... but when I call and talk to the supervisor he tells me that on a once a year trespass through the area is not a problem.... but if I were to make a habit of it I would be required to have it working. boyd ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:51 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Choices we make and the downside to our sport From: "Mark" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mark" I used to have a Weight Shift quick......(25yrs ago) I always landed with the engine off (instructer encouraged that...I might get cut by the prop if it flipped) [Shocked] This was a modified slope model,had a 7to1 glide ratio.Seemed more like 4to1. It weighed 130lbs with 1 1/2 gal of fuel,I was 135lbs. I cant imagine almost the same model,beefed up,same wing area,at 700 lbs flying weight. Mark in Fl -------- Mark Shimei Twinstar, 503 Phantom, Kawasaki 440 Weight shift Quick, Chrysler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4273#4273 ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:53 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: transponder cert --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike This may not answer your question, but here is how ATC does it: ATC is interested in if your mode C is within 300 feet of what you claim your altitude is. For instance, "Tri City Approach, Kolb Experimental N420P is 20 SW of TRI, flying NE along the Interstate to VJI at 3,000, squawking 1200." They give you a discreet code, ID you, and as long as your mode C readout is within 300' or less of what you claim it is, they are happy. If not, they will tell you that your mode C differs by more than 300', stop altitude squawk, and then they will add your N # to the monthly gripe sheet that goes to FSDO. Then you will get a query from FSDO as to why your mode C is off, and they will advise you that they are now anxiously awaiting a copy of the receipt you need to get from your friendly local avionics shop, verifying that you have had your mode C recalibrated and it is now within tolerance. (Whee!) To avoid such expensive unpleasantries, that is why I suggested what you copied below, because here is how it works in practice: To ensure that your mode C is accurate, ATC sets the altitude filter limits of their radar to the field elevation of their primary airport, so they can see your mode C as you are going down the runway, and verify that it is the same as the airport elevation. They know the airport elevation, so they know what your mode C ought to be reading. Or if you call them while airborne, they ask you "Say altitude." And you need to be within 300' or less of what your mode C readout is. As far as how the ATC interrogator compensates for the aircraft's mode C always being on 29.92, and compensating for the variation between the barometric pressure and the fixed setting - I called out to the tower and none of my old buds knew how it worked, just that it did. (Sort of like automatic transmissions?) Grey Baron? Input? You da geek on this one- Irrespective of the technical details, that is how the system works, and that is what they look for. And you want your altimeter to agree with what your mode C is squawking. Setting your altimeter to the current ATIS and field elevation while you are sitting on a taxiway of known elevation at that primary airport and then cross checking with ATC to see if everything agrees will work every time, trust me. Richard Pike 30 years ATC, Tri City Regional Airport (retired) b young wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" > >Try this: land at an airport with an approach control, and go to a point >on the runway or taxiway where the altitude MSL is known exactly, (it's >on the approach plate) then set your altimeter to the barometric >pressure on the current ATIS, and then ask ATC what your Mode C readout >is. (ground control can read it off the tower BRITE scope) Now you know >how accurate your Mode C is, and also know how accurate your altimeter >is. If either one is off, you need to go to an avionics shop. >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >if i remember corectly the blind encoders are set to 29.92 inches of mercury..... and will only match exactly if your altimiter is set for 29.92 inches..... also the blind encoders only change altitude every 100 ft. and i would have to do some research to remember if they switch at an even 100 ft or if they switch at the 50 ft intervals. ie 45050 4650 4750 vs 4500 4600 4700 > >if i have mis understood this information please someone set me straight. > >boyd young > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:50 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: mode c vail From: "Roger Lee" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Roger Lee" Hi John, Thanks for the update. I did not know an ultrlight could get permission to go through class B airspace. Some of the others are debating about an electrical system. Doesn't a lighting coil and a battery make up an electrical system? Needs better defining I believe. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4285#4285 ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:23 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Travels --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Is that Salmon Glacier in the background in this pic, John ?? If so, I must've turned around just a bit too soon in '02, cause I was *almost* right there, but didn't get to see the strip. That 1st pic was awesome. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Travels > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > >> John H, >> >> Hope you dont mind, but that picture was so impressive, i downloaded it, >> and will use it for my desktop wallpaper... awesome photo! Thanks for >> sharing! >> >> Mike S >> > > > Mike: You are more than welcome to use the photo. It makes > > john h > > PS: High in the mountains north of Salmon Glacier, at the abandoned Gran > Duc Copper Mine airstrip. Could write a short article on this photo and > what it took to get here and back out of the mountains. Thought I was > alone up here, but on the way out discovered a 4wd a few miles south of > this location. This is about 40 miles north of Hyder, Alaska, > southernmost village in Alaska. http://xrl.us/jkmh > > -------- ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:45 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Travels From: "John Hauck" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > Is that Salmon Glacier in the background in this pic, John ?? Nope. That is a much smaller glacier north of the north fork of the Salmon Glacier a few miles or so. Can't really visualize how far north of where the Salmon splits and turns south and north. Was very busy flying through here because of the terrain, very marginal visability, and pure excitement. -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4290#4290 ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:38 PM PST US From: "kfackler" Subject: Kolb-List: Fellow aviator makes his final flight --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" Gentlemen: Most of you here on the Kolb List will not have known or met Bill Wolverton. He was a man who was much loved and admired by all who knew him and a prime, skilled aviator. He flew many airplanes in his life, most of which were ultralights or experimentals. For the past several years he was regularly seen in the skies over Michigan in his beautiful red Hiperlight. Bill passed away at noon today (Jan 15) after a short illness. His wife says he made the transition peacefully and without pain. I ask that you offer any prayer or positive thought that you deem meaningful for his widow. -Ken Fackler do not archive ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:51 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Choices we make and the downside to our sport --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" When I took dual instruction in a QS 2 in Port Angeles, WA about 11 years ago, we'd make base and final at 300 ft. agl, and the instructor had me wait till I could see the numbers between my feet, then cut the throttle and keep the AS indicator at 40 mph. It worked. Not quite straight down, and flare at the very last second (clamp onto the seat time) and you'd touch down on the numbers every time. Spooky, but fun, too. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Choices we make and the downside to our sport > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mark" > > I used to have a Weight Shift quick......(25yrs ago) I always landed with > the engine off (instructer encouraged that...I might get cut by the prop > if it flipped) [Shocked] > This was a modified slope model,had a 7to1 glide ratio.Seemed more like > 4to1. It weighed 130lbs with 1 1/2 gal of fuel,I was 135lbs. > I cant imagine almost the same model,beefed up,same wing area,at 700 lbs > flying weight. > Mark in Fl > > -------- > Mark Shimei > Twinstar, 503 > Phantom, Kawasaki 440 > Weight shift Quick, Chrysler > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4273#4273 > > > ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:27 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Travels From: "John Hauck" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" 1988 was the year I really ventured out in the Firestar. I had a flight to Miami, Florida, and return to Titus, Alabama, November 1987, and a round trip flight to Sun and Fun 1988, where the little Kolb Firestar brought home the S&F Grand Champ Trophy. When I got back home I started making plans to fly to the Flight Farm at Monterey, NY, NW of Elmira. Was a very adventuresome flight, the first of this magnitude. Once I got to the Flight Farm I flew every moment I could. Bill Lockwood, who owned the Flight Farm, sponsored me with fuel and oil while I was there for the 8 or 10 days. It became a good crowd draw to watch the nut in the FS fly aerobatics and make dead stick landings right to the parking spot, most every time. What a blast. That trip was made with no brakes installed. I also flew up and over Niagra Falls on the way home to Alabama. Busted my butt on Grand Island, NY. Spent 4 days repairing the FS enough to fly back to Alabama. When I got home, I stripped the FS down to bare metal on the fuselage, repaired and made a lot of modifications to make this little airplane a really good little cross country airplane. This photo was taken by a professional photograper as I was shooting an approach into the flight farm. -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4294#4294 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/scan0017_212.jpg ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:55 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Travels From: "John Jung" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" John H, This glacier picture of yours is fantastic! I enjoy a lot of your pictures, but to me, this one is the best. > > http://xrl.us/jkks > -------- John Jung Firestar II N6163J Surprise, AZ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4298#4298 ________________________________ Message 65 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:36 PM PST US From: "Jim Baker" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: transponder cert --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" > stop altitude squawk, and then they will > add your N # to the monthly gripe sheet that goes to FSDO. Dang. Us ex Mil-ATC types just let it go at stopping the squawk...... > As far as how the ATC interrogator compensates for the aircraft's mode > C always being on 29.92, and compensating for the variation between > the barometric pressure and the fixed setting http://tinyurl.com/92jev A not too technical expalnation...disregard the 200 foot issue on discrepancy, it's 300 ft as mentioned. Jim Baker 580.788.2779 '71 SV, 492TC Elmore City, OK ________________________________ Message 66 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:28 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Travels --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" John H I know you have declined to write about your trips in the past many times and I respect your decision but you keep teasing us with your incredible photos. One more time my friend then I will stop, please consider sharing something with the world. Two of your friends have published articles in Sport Pilot how about you? You could do a short preamble like John W did and include the photos with the descriptions you have already done and shared with us after each one of your trips. I will write Mary at EAA's Sport Pilot and see if she is interested (I know she is) if you like. Throw another log on the fire and take advantage of the cold weather and do some writing. A few people have again asked that you write a book. You have the experiences that would make a great one. Last year I read a Steven Coonts book called Canable Queen about a pilot that flew a Stearman back and forth across the US. He is making a small fortune on an a basic travel log that has no comparison to any one of your trips. This group has some very talented people that have offered to assist you in the past. I took advantage of some of them when I wrote the Monument Valley article and they made me look like a real writer. Seems like I remember someone even offering to write from your dictation. I would treasure having a book written by you about your flights to Alaska. Most of us can only dream of doing that kind of flight. Please!!! No bullshit the flying world needs to know that there are people that can enjoy exploring our great country in something less than a big $$$ airplane flying a zillion miles and hour. I would be happy to suggest to Mary that you just need a bit more urging and you will send her an article. What do you guys think would you like to see John H publish something??? Sorry John Do not archive Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Travels > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > For those interested, here is a good article about the Granduc Copper > Mine and the diaster that occurred soon after it was opened. > > http://www.explorenorth.com/library/yafeatures/bl-granduc1.htm > > It is possible to reach the old mine by 4wd. However, during its > operation, a tunnel was dug through the mountain, 20 km or so, I don't > remember exactly and have not reread the article, to haul out the ore, > rather than try to haul it out on the hazardous mine road which would > have been closed by snow in the winter months. > > john h > > > ________________________________ Message 67 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:25 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Travels From: "John Hauck" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Thanks John J. I enjoyed taking it. Was a mind blowing flight that night. All of this was brand new, as I followed Jim Stocker around the area in his Piper PA-11. Was nice to have a guide. -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4302#4302 ________________________________ Message 68 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:55 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Travels From: "John Hauck" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > I know you have declined to write about your trips in the past Rick Neilsen Thanks for your concern, Rick. OK, I'll write an article. No need to grease the skids for me to Mary Jones. We go back to OSH 1989, when we did my first story. Then again in 1993, after Grand Champ Lt Plane, and the following year was when I did the article on the 1994 flight around CONUS and up to Alaska. You can read it when it is published. ;-) -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4304#4304 ________________________________ Message 69 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:46 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Travels --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike What you really need to do is write it and send it to Beauford. Wait patiently until the gin and macanudos have had their way with your tale, and then instead of sending it to Mary Jones, aim it to hit the NYT best seller list. Then you and Beauford will both be rich... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) John Hauck wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > > > >>I know you have declined to write about your trips in the past Rick Neilsen >> >> > > >Thanks for your concern, Rick. > >OK, I'll write an article. > >No need to grease the skids for me to Mary Jones. We go back to OSH 1989, when we did my first story. Then again in 1993, after Grand Champ Lt Plane, and the following year was when I did the article on the 1994 flight around CONUS and up to Alaska. > >You can read it when it is published. ;-) > >-------- >John Hauck >MKIII/912ULS >hauck's holler, alabama > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4304#4304 > > > > > > > > >