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1. 05:29 AM - Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (Eugene Zimmerman)
2. 05:36 AM - Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (Denny Rowe)
3. 05:56 AM - Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (robert bean)
4. 06:51 AM - Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (John Hauck)
5. 07:13 AM - Re: UltraStar For Sale On Ebay... (JetPilot)
6. 07:17 AM - Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (JetPilot)
7. 07:19 AM - Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (David.Lehman)
8. 07:26 AM - Re: In Flight Relief Systems (JetPilot)
9. 07:35 AM - Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (JetPilot)
10. 07:41 AM - Re: Re: In Flight Relief Systems (Larry Bourne)
11. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (Jeremy Casey)
12. 08:05 AM - Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (David.Lehman)
13. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: In Flight Relief Systems (John Hauck)
14. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (John Hauck)
15. 08:45 AM - Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (David.Lehman)
16. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: In Flight Relief Systems (ray anderson)
17. 10:51 AM - Re: UltraStar For Sale On Ebay... (John Jung)
18. 11:02 AM - Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (John Jung)
19. 12:12 PM - Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (mike moulai)
20. 12:23 PM - Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (John Hauck)
21. 01:02 PM - Jabiru 2 cyl. (ray anderson)
22. 01:16 PM - Re: Jabiru 2 cyl. (jdmurr@juno.com)
23. 01:58 PM - Re: Jabiru 2 cyl. (ray anderson)
24. 02:23 PM - Re: Jabiru 2 cyl. (David.Lehman)
25. 02:28 PM - Re: Jabiru 2 cyl. (Gary r. voigt)
26. 03:11 PM - misc (robert bean)
27. 03:52 PM - Re: Re: Speaking of GPS (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
28. 04:18 PM - Re: Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (Eugene Zimmerman)
29. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: In Flight Relief Systems (Steven Green)
30. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: In Flight Relief Systems (John Hauck)
31. 06:56 PM - Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (JetPilot)
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
I can't speak for the Mark III, but I have had both flaperons and
flaps on my current Firestar and have found the flaps to be much
prefered over the flaperons. The flaperons do not provide near as
much slow flight roll control and stability as the flaps do.
On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:53 PM, JetPilot wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
> What do you guys like better on the MK-III , the classic wing where
> the flaps and ailerons are seperated, or the newer setup with
> flaperons ????
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> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
> have !!!
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5399#5399
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
I like my flaps.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>> 41 hours and I haven't tried them yet. -still getting used to how
>> slow it
flies without flaps. I'll let you know what thrills I get this coming
summer.
I like the looks of the flaperon wings, cleaner and perhaps faster.
-BB MkIIIc, clipped wings, inboard fences
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Morning Gang:
Flaps on the MKIII are far more effective than flaperons on the Xtra,
SS, and FF.
I consider my flaps an invaluable tool. Greatly increased the
chances of me getting into a very small area should the engine stop.
Also a good tool to pop up out of soft fields, mud, tall grass, sand,
etc.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: UltraStar For Sale On Ebay... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
"The wing struts will need new ends put on them, as i found cracks going through
the bolt holes, this makes the plane nonairworthy until properly fixed. "
[Shocked]
Oh my gawd, I wonder how that happened.... Thats really a bad part to have cracking
[Evil or Very Mad]
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Richard Pike wrote:
> I guess it would be almost too obvious to suggest that since there are a
> whole herd of Kolb pilots who have done all sorts of VG testing on
> Kolbs, and know what works, then maybe it might be useful to listen to
> what they are saying and try what they are doing?
>
You could not be more correct. Thats exactly why I started this thread before
buying them :)
Michael A. Bigelow
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
Is it possible to retro flaps to older Firestars?...
DVD
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| Subject: | Re: In Flight Relief Systems |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
I did 4 hour flights when going cross country in my 150, and my bladder is not
that big [Shocked] I just carried a plastic water bottle, and used that to
pee in. It sure beats making a special landing, and running for the FBO because
I could not hold it anylonger :)
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Glad to hear that, I am putting classic flaps on my MK-III [Mr. Green]
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| Subject: | Re: In Flight Relief Systems |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Don't forget which bottle is which......... :-) Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
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----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:22 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: In Flight Relief Systems
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
> I did 4 hour flights when going cross country in my 150, and my bladder is
> not that big [Shocked] I just carried a plastic water bottle, and used
> that to pee in. It sure beats making a special landing, and running for
> the FBO because I could not hold it anylonger :)
>
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> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5464#5464
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
Is it possible to retro flaps to older Firestars?...
DVD
<snip>
Don't know about retro...matter of fact I've never heard of ANY Firestar
with separate flaps and ailerons...
Building the surfaces separate would be a no brainer...modifying the
cage to add a flap actuation mechanism would require some thinking...NOT
impossible just some thinking.
Paul Petty...any pictures of how your adding separate flaps and ailerons
on your Kolbra???
Jeremy
Mutant Kolb builder ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us wrote:
> Don't know about retro...matter of fact I've never heard of ANY Firestar with
separate flaps and ailerons...
>
> Building the surfaces separate would be a no brainer...modifying the
> cage to add a flap actuation mechanism would require some thinking...NOT
> impossible just some thinking.
>
> Paul Petty...any pictures of how your adding separate flaps and ailerons
> on your Kolbra???
>
> Jeremy
> Mutant Kolb builder ;-)
Hmmm... Maybe it would be "reinventing the wheel", would an early Firestar benefit
from flaps?...
DVD
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| Subject: | Re: In Flight Relief Systems |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
bladder is not that big [Shocked] I just carried a plastic water
bottle, and used that to pee in. It sure beats making a special
landing, and running for the FBO because I could not hold it anylonger
:)
Mike B:
My kind of flying rarely requires long legs. The more I land the more
folks I get to meet. To me, this is what this kind of flying is all
about. My very most max leg is 3.5. Normally, an hour or two is
about right.
Depending on what geographic location, one might have to stretch out
those legs because of lack of airports and fuel.
I don't have enough room in my airplane to try and relieve myself.
Not bragging............. ;-)
john h
MKIII
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Firestar benefit from flaps?...
|
| DVD
DVD:
Sure.
However, the original FS was such a good flying airplane, slipped
well, and landed slow.
If I built another one without flaps, I would probably cut the aileron
cord in half. Remembering the FS and US normally stalled at 25 mph,
Homer designed large ailerons to have roll control through the stall,
which they did well.
I did make one change to my ailerons and flaps when I built my MKIII
in 1991. I had been flying the factory MKIII, learning a lot of
little things that I would change on my airplane. One of those was
ailerons. Had more than enough to get the job done. When I laid out
the ailerons and flaps on the bench to build, I first laid out the
stock configuration. Then I took a chalk line, shortened the outboard
aileron chord to a little over 11", striking a line from there to the
stock inboard trailing edge corner of the flap. My think was to
reduce aileron as much as possible and maintaining as much flap as
possible, keeping a nice staight trailing edge. It worked out great.
john h
MKIII
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
John Hauck wrote:
> Firestar benefit from flaps?...
>
> DVD: Sure. However, the original FS was such a good flying airplane, slipped
well, and landed slow. john h MKIII
Thanx John...
I realize that every plane's characteristics are different... I landed my Cessna
185 a couple of times without flaps, just to see how it acted, and it wasn't
pretty... On the other side of the coin, I didn't have flaps on my Aeronca
Sedan and I could slip it in as short as my Super Cub... It's part airplane characteristics
and a lot of pilot technique...
DVD
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| Subject: | Re: In Flight Relief Systems |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
For true emergencies, I suggest you go to your local drug store or invalid supply
house and purchase the specially shaped plastic bottle with a snap on tight
fitting lid. It is the one you get if you have had any hospital time. It is shaped
so it can be safely used lying down so can be used flying. It is narrow
in shape with an angled upper section. Could be tucked out of sight under the
seat or most anywhere. Being 88, I carry one under the seat of my auto and fortunately
have never had to use it. I've used them many times in hospital stays.
JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot"
I did 4 hour flights when going cross country in my 150, and my bladder is not
that big [Shocked] I just carried a plastic water bottle, and used that to pee
in. It sure beats making a special landing, and running for the FBO because I
could not hold it anylonger :)
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| Subject: | Re: UltraStar For Sale On Ebay... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
JetPilot wrote:
> "The wing struts will need new ends put on them, as i found cracks going through
the bolt holes, this makes the plane nonairworthy until properly fixed. "
[Shocked]
>
> Oh my gawd, I wonder how that happened.... Thats really a bad part to have
cracking [Evil or Very Mad]
One difference between the Ultrastars and later Kolb models is that Ultrastars
could be built from plans. That means that much more of the quality of the plane
is determined by the original builder. My guess is that the builder formed
the strut ends, and didn't do them properly.
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Firestar II N6163J
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
> I can't speak for the Mark III, but I have had both flaperons and
> flaps on my current Firestar and have found the flaps to be much
> prefered over the flaperons.
>
Eugene,
Could you tell us about how you installed flaps on a Firestar? I don't recall
hearing about it before.
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Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "mike moulai" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Flapperons for me.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:53 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ???
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
> What do you guys like better on the MK-III , the classic wing where the
> flaps and ailerons are seperated, or the newer setup with flaperons ????
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5399#5399
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|
| Mike
Kiwi Mike:
Why is that? I find the MKIII flaps far more effective than flaperons
on Xtra, SS and FF.
john h
MKIIIc
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Got it straight from the horses mouth. They have their prototype going and plan
to forge ahead. 40 - 40plus H.P. I'm already drooling thinking about one on
my UltraStar. Four cycle dependability and low gas consumption.
Ray
UltraStar..Tenn
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2 cyl. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" <jdmurr@juno.com>
What are they saying for fuel consumption? What will it cost? Direct drive or
reduction? These are some of my questions. I'm sure there will be others.
-- ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Got it straight from the horses mouth. They have their prototype going and plan
to forge ahead. 40 - 40plus H.P. I'm already drooling thinking about one on
my UltraStar. Four cycle dependability and low gas consumption.
Ray
UltraStar..Tenn
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What are they saying for fuel consumption? What will it cost? Direct drive or reduction?
These are some of my questions. I'm sure there will be others.
--rayandersonrsanoa@yahoo.comwrote:
--Kolb-Listmessagepostedby:rayandersonrsanoa@yahoo.com
Gotitstraightfromthehorsesmouth.Theyhavetheirprototypegoingandplantoforgeahead.40-40plusH.P.I'malreadydroolingthinkingaboutoneonmyUltraStar.Fourcycledependabilityandlowgasconsumption.
Ray
UltraStar..Tenn
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
No details yet.
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"jdmurr@juno.com" <jdmurr@juno.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com"
What are they saying for fuel consumption? What will it cost? Direct drive or reduction?
These are some of my questions. I'm sure there will be others.
-- ray anderson wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson
Got it straight from the horses mouth. They have their prototype going and plan
to forge ahead. 40 - 40plus H.P. I'm already drooling thinking about one on my
UltraStar. Four cycle dependability and low gas consumption.
Ray
UltraStar..Tenn
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What are they saying for fuel consumption? What will it cost? Direct drive or reduction?
These are some of my questions. I'm sure there will be others.
--rayandersonrsanoa@yahoo.comwrote:
--Kolb-Listmessagepostedby:rayandersonrsanoa@yahoo.com
Gotitstraightfromthehorsesmouth.Theyhavetheirprototypegoingandplantoforgeahead.40-40plusH.P.I'malreadydroolingthinkingaboutoneonmyUltraStar.Fourcycledependabilityandlowgasconsumption.
Ray
UltraStar..Tenn
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2 cyl. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
I'm wondering how much different (or not) this will be from the Verner...
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary r. voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
Ray and others, although i sold my KXP year i still monitor the list
hoping to find a good deal on a john deere tractor and respond when
necessary. ray and others, don't get your hopes too high as this is only the
prototype...months and even years can go by before the actual plan can set
forth and speed to market always plays a part also as i have been in R&D and
many, many,many iterations can go by before the actual unit is on the
market. and then once it sees the real world will tell how they have done
there homework. just my thoughts.
john, i'am buying alot of allis chalmers now because i see the market going
up more in used tractors since a new jd 110 hp. jd will set you back
$108,000
Gary r. voigt
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From: "ray anderson" <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Jabiru 2 cyl.
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
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> No details yet.
> Do not archive
>
> "jdmurr@juno.com" <jdmurr@juno.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com"
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> What are they saying for fuel consumption? What will it cost? Direct drive
or reduction? These are some of my questions. I'm sure there will be others.
>
> -- ray anderson wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson
>
> Got it straight from the horses mouth. They have their prototype going and
plan to forge ahead. 40 - 40plus H.P. I'm already drooling thinking about
one on my UltraStar. Four cycle dependability and low gas consumption.
> Ray
> UltraStar..Tenn
> do not archive
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>
> ---------------------------------
> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays,
whatever.
>
>
> What are they saying for fuel consumption? What will it cost? Direct drive
or reduction? These are some of my questions. I'm sure there will be others.
>
> --rayandersonrsanoa@yahoo.comwrote:
> --Kolb-Listmessagepostedby:rayandersonrsanoa@yahoo.com
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>
Gotitstraightfromthehorsesmouth.Theyhavetheirprototypegoingandplantoforgeahe
ad.40-40plusH.P.I'malreadydroolingthinkingaboutoneonmyUltraStar.Fourcycledep
endabilityandlowgasconsumption.
> Ray
> UltraStar..Tenn
> donotarchive
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>
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> RingintheNewYearwithPhotoCalendars.Addphotos,events,holidays,whatever.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Here are some interesting engines and history:
http://www.prime-mover.org/Engines/Pictures.html
-BB, do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of GPS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
I use a 195 Garmin I purchased on ebay cheap just for that reason becaues I
am right on the border of an international Airport and really like to know if
I am where I should be or not Be and for cross country trips its great to know
where other airports are so If I need Fuel or just a bit of security to be
able to find another airport quick
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
John,
The first Firestar I did was an original with full span ailerons.
I split the Flaps in half with the in board half being the flaps with
the torque hinged on the torque tube of the ailerons similar to the
Mark III.
The control links were horizontal like the original aileron control
rods and went to a flap lever quadrant. It was a very simple and
straightforward installation.
This plane had unrivaled slow flight capability.
I could fly side by side with a Para plane in a nose high, power on,
stall mush, somewhere in the neighborhood of 18- 20 mph.
The second one was a Firstar II.
I first built it with flaperons and flew it that way for one season.
I was never happy with the flaperon performance so I changed it to a
flap aileron setup.
Since the control rods are vertical on the Firestar II and because
the cage is different it was not as easy to get a simple satisfactory
control system so I decided to use an electric servo and switch to
control the flaps since I already had a battery for the electric start.
From my experience with flaperons and also conventional flaps on the
same plane, I have decided I will never be interested in having
flaperons again.
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On Jan 20, 2006, at 2:01 PM, John Jung wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>> I can't speak for the Mark III, but I have had both flaperons and
>> flaps on my current Firestar and have found the flaps to be much
>> prefered over the flaperons.
>>
>
> Eugene,
>
> Could you tell us about how you installed flaps on a Firestar? I
> don't recall hearing about it before.
>
> --------
> John Jung
> Firestar II N6163J
> Surprise, AZ
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5518#5518
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: In Flight Relief Systems |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
Hey John,
Tell us about the plane full of folks you met at Okracoke when you stopped.
:<)
Couldn't resist
Steven
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: In Flight Relief Systems
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | I did 4 hour flights when going cross country in my 150, and my
> bladder is not that big [Shocked] I just carried a plastic water
> bottle, and used that to pee in. It sure beats making a special
> landing, and running for the FBO because I could not hold it anylonger
> :)
>
> Mike B:
>
> My kind of flying rarely requires long legs. The more I land the more
> folks I get to meet. To me, this is what this kind of flying is all
> about. My very most max leg is 3.5. Normally, an hour or two is
> about right.
>
> Depending on what geographic location, one might have to stretch out
> those legs because of lack of airports and fuel.
>
> I don't have enough room in my airplane to try and relieve myself.
> Not bragging............. ;-)
>
> john h
> MKIII
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: In Flight Relief Systems |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
stopped.
| :<)
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| Couldn't resist
| Steven
Steven G/Gang:
Had forgotten about that one.
Seems most every time I get in a hurry, drop in on a strip, stop at
the end away from the FBO, get unzipped and well into the operation,
an unannounced audience usually appears out of no where.
1989, Concord, NH, flying the Firestar through all the New England
States. Had to land, semi-emergency. Spotted Concord, an old WWII
airbase with triangle runways. Landed way on the other side of the
airport from the FBO and air passenger terminal. In those days long
ago, I flew with a Jim Handbury hand deployed parachute that I wore
with normal harness and a bridal attached to the airframe of the FS.
Got the airplane shut down, bridal unhooked, out of the aircraft and
tending to business still wearing the parachute, which made the
operation that much more difficult. About half to completion, I hear
someone calling cadence in the distance. The sound is coming this
way. Around the bushes comes the Concord Running Club, about 30 guys
and gals. I was caught red handed. All I could do was turn my back
to them and pretend they weren't there, with a sheepish grin.
Fast forward September 2003, on a flight with my friends John W, Gary
H, Steven G, John B, to the Kolb Flyin, via Kittyhawk, NC. We were
flying north up the Outter Banks when I got the urge to get rid of all
that coffee I drank for breakfast. We had camped out at Wallace, NC,
the night before, and were now winging our way up Ocracoke Island. I
spied the airstrip and dropped in at the south end. The hurricane had
come through the Outter Banks the week prior. There were large sand
dunes washed up along the sides and at the end of the paved strip.
Hoped out of the MKIII and got half way through my job when hear an
airplane engine heading my way. Sure enough, right on time was a
Cessna full of guys and gals. What do you do? Grin, turn around, and
finish up business.
Might need me one of those inflight emergency relief systems. ;-)
john h
MKIII (large fuel tank, small bladder)
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Thats really great to hear everyone likes the classic flaps better. I think it
was John Hauck that saved me from making a mistake last year when I ordered
my MK-III. I would have gone with the flaperons had it not been for your advice
[Shocked]
I will end up with a much better airplane as a result of this list and a lot of
good advice from John Hauck also :D
Michael A. Bigelow
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NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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