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1. 03:15 AM - Re: Re: Rotax List ???????????????? (pat ladd)
2. 05:23 AM - Re: Firefly for sale (Gnat)
3. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (Richard Swiderski)
4. 07:35 AM - Best place to learn about Kolbs (firebug)
5. 07:43 AM - Re: Best place to learn about Kolbs (David.Lehman)
6. 07:44 AM - Re: Jabiru 2 cyl. (firebug)
7. 07:50 AM - Re: Best place to learn about Kolbs (firebug)
8. 09:11 AM - Re: Jabiru 2 cyl. (JetPilot)
9. 09:21 AM - Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? (JetPilot)
10. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru 2 cyl. (John Hauck)
11. 09:46 AM - Re: Rotax List ???????????????? (jerb)
12. 11:08 AM - Re: Rotax List ???????????????? (Mike Pierzina)
13. 01:58 PM - 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update? (jdmurr@juno.com)
14. 02:08 PM - Looking for a Firestar (firebug)
15. 02:29 PM - Re: Best place to learn about Kolbs (JetPilot)
16. 02:30 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar (JetPilot)
17. 02:58 PM - Shoulder straps too loose (Mike Pierzina)
18. 03:37 PM - Re: Shoulder straps too loose (JetPilot)
19. 03:54 PM - Re: Shoulder straps too loose (Mike Pierzina)
20. 03:56 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar (jerb)
21. 04:32 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar (firebug)
22. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: Looking for a Firestar (FS2Kolb@aol.com)
23. 05:20 PM - Re: Shoulder straps too loose (flht99reh)
24. 05:30 PM - Re: 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update? (Steven Green)
25. 05:31 PM - Re: 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update? (Richard Swiderski)
26. 05:55 PM - What's Wrong With This Picture? (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
27. 05:59 PM - Re: Shoulder straps too loose (JetPilot)
28. 06:04 PM - Re: Rotax List ???????????????? (JetPilot)
29. 06:08 PM - Re: 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update? (jdmurr@juno.com)
30. 06:16 PM - Re: What's Wrong With This Picture? (JetPilot)
31. 06:26 PM - Re: 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update? (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
32. 07:42 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
33. 08:30 PM - take off with flaps (boyd)
34. 09:00 PM - Re: take off with flaps (JetPilot)
35. 09:10 PM - Re: Re: take off with flaps (John Hauck)
36. 09:10 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar (George Bass)
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax List ???????????????? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Diluting the topics is NOT a good idea.>>
Hi Robert,
that was my first reaction but all you have to do is subscribe to the new
list and all the posts will come up on screen with all your other lists.
Sorting through archives should be easier too as everything on one subject
will be together in one archive.
I would not like the list to get too attenuated though. A lot of peripheral
things which crop up prove to be very interesting.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gnat" <rickochet11@stic.net>
Guy,
Do you still want to sell your firefly??
I have been looking for one in my area and your pretty close.
Let me know if it is for sale and I will come take a look at it.
Thanks
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Michael,
I don't understand where spoilerons come in the picture. The Kolb
flaperons have no extra parts to jam. Not modifying the factory setup is
always the safest way to go & certainly the quickest. You will have a great
flying machine for sure. -Richard Swiderski
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot
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Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ???
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
rswiderski(at)earthlink.n wrote:
> But if you are out for getting the ultimate performance in
> climb, accelerated descent & slow flight, then flaperons will beat out
flaps
> every time because unlike flaps, they can change the coefficient of lift
> over the entire wing, therefore have the greatest effect as well.
>
You are very correct rswiderski, I design and build large Radio control
planes, and every last one of them has full span Flapperons. There is no
denying the performance of them is awesome. Changing the shape of the
entire wing is more effective than changing the shape of just the inboard
part. The big unknown for me on the Kolb was, are the spoilerons the same
chord as the flaps and ailerons ?? and how much control authority is built
into them ?? I know what the ideal is, but the real world results of each
one is what really counts in the end. That is why I ignored what the ideal
situation is and I asked people what their real world results are.
The cord and travel of the flapperons be redesigned, and made with the same
chord and authority as the ailerons, but that is quite a huge job and there
are always unknowns in doing something like that. I just was not willing to
take that much of a risk and make that big of a design change. The control
forces could have become very large, and even flutter might have been an
issue. The Kolb MK-III flys very well, and im not willing to risk these
things, and the realiability of the existing and tested design just to have
larger spoilerons. Also an issue is that with two controls going to the
same control surface, the chance of jamming or failure is increased. And
you do not want to lose the ailerons in a Kolb.
Given all the extra work in fabricating, the inability to change it back
once it was done, and all the other possible risks, I was not willing to be
the test case here. It was either the stock Flapperons, or the Stock Flaps
and Ailerons. Given the choice between those two, the overwhelming
consensus is for the classic flaps.
Michael A. Bigelow
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| Subject: | Best place to learn about Kolbs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-ce.net>
Is there a web page besides the company page that might give me some practical
information on Kolbs. Things like the best year Firestar to but etc. Maybe someone
has created their own page. Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Best place to learn about Kolbs |
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firebug wrote:
> Is there a web page besides the company page that might give me some practical
information on Kolbs. Things like the best year Firestar to buy etc. Maybe someone
has created their own page. I am looking for a Firestar.Thanks
Firebug...
You're here!... Wealth of information here...
DVD
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Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the spirit
of man is beyond description.
Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2 cyl. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-ce.net>
For that price they will not sell that well. The engine market has gotten out of
hand with its pricing. With the Jabiru it develops it's horsepower at 3300 rpm
which is too high for most of the ultralight applications. You cannot swing
a long enough prop to generate enough thrust to benefit our "Drag Queens". Kolbs,
Skyraiders, Quicksilvers and the like have a lot of drag and fly slow they
need a longer prop than planes like the Sonex.
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| Subject: | Re: Best place to learn about Kolbs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-ce.net>
Yeh,
This is a good place. I have a Skyraider kit that I just don't have the time to
finish because we are getting ready to build our house. It has flown and has
a 503 DCDI. I took the fabric off to inspect it and it is in great shape, no
damge. It just needs to be recovered. I am going to sell it and try to find me
a flying Kolb. I want to find out as mush as I can about them. I know about the
Skyraider because I helped the factory sell the kits at Sun n Fun and Oshkosh.
They are excellent planes I just don't have the time to finish it.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2 cyl. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
firebug wrote:
> For that price they will not sell that well. The engine market has gotten out
of hand with its pricing. With the Jabiru it develops it's horsepower at 3300
rpm which is too high for most of the ultralight applications.
Yep, I never liked the Jabiru anyways, they look like they were machined in someones
garage. Very primitive in design.
I would buy an HKS over a 2 cylinder Jabiru any day, the price is about the same
and the prop speed is much slower.
I bought a Rotax 912s over the 4 cylinder Jabiru, didnt care how much more it cost,
I just wanted the best engine I could get. The Rotax is also a much more
advanced design.
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
I meant to say Flaperons [Embarassed] On my RC planes the ailerons work as
flaperons and spoilerons. With full span spoilers, they drop like a rock [Shocked]
You probably would not want to do that on a kolb...
I have never seen the linkage setup for the Kolb with spoilerons. I assume it
would be more complex with an extra lever for controlling the flaperons, and also
having the ailerons linked through 2 controls as opposed to just the stick
like in the models with the classic flaps.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2 cyl. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Mike B:
| Yep, I never liked the Jabiru anyways, they look like they were
machined in someones garage. Very primitive in design.
I don't have any experience with Jab or HKS, only what I have seen at
the flyins, and flying with John W when his Kolbra was Jabiru powered.
Since John's Jab, they have gone to hydraulic valve lifters and upped
the power some. This was a good improvement. However, they are still
direct drive and direct drives do not perform well on Kolbs. Kiwi Mik
may want to defend his position on how well they perform, but I have
my own "actual" flight comparison (that most of you all told me was
worthless) between my 912ULS powered MKIII and John W's Jab powered
direct drive Kolbra. Very quickly, cruise was about the same, but
acceleration, take off, and climb, there was no comparison between the
two power plants. I was pleasantly shocked first time John W and I
flew together after installation of the 912ULS on his Kolbra. He and
I take off and climb about the same, maybe the MKIII is a little
quicker, but after that, it is all over. The Kolbra climbs and walks
away from the MKIII. I think one of the first things a person sees
when they look at the Jab is the beautiful CNC machine work on the
engines. I do think they are a piece of art. However, if the newer
versions still have the dual distributors for ignition, they haven't
made any progress in the ignition area. One of the problems John W
encountered on our 2003 Kittyhawk flight was a Jab that would not
start after sitting out at night in very damp weather. The 912's and
582 fired right up the next morning.
The Rotax is also a much more advanced design.
Mike B, I don't know that the 912 is so much more advance design or
not. It is basically a flat 4 opposed that uses a basic design.
However, the Ducati ignition, integral reduction drive, water/oil
cooling the heads, and the nikaseal (sp) aluminum cylinders, plus dry
sump lube system do a great job in making the 912 a good reliable,
endurable, very low maintenance engine.
Our little Kolb aircraft thrive on power plants with reduction drives,
and don't seem to do so well with direct drives.
john h
MKIII
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| Subject: | Rotax List ???????????????? |
Cc: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Hey Matt & All
If you create a list for Rotax - you might want to make one for 2
strokes and one for 4 strokes - helps thin done the weeding area if
your looking for information and you only need monitor only what
pertains to your interest.
Thanks,
jerb
At 12:48 PM 1/21/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
>True. No one every asked for a Rotax List. Seems like a great
>idea. I'll be adding a couple of other lists as well, hopefully
>this weekend, and I will add a "rotax-list" to the line up. Thanks
>for the suggestion!
>
>Matt Dralle
>Email List Admin
>
>
>At 09:07 AM 1/21/2006 Saturday, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
> >
> >Matt is very accommodating.
> >
> >I assume it is because no one has asked him...
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >
> >Here on Matronics there is a list for just about every obscure model of
> >aircraft you can think of, and there is even a Jabiru list, so why is there
> >no Rotax list ??? [Crying or Very sad]
> >
> >More of us use Rotax than all other engines put together, I would really
> >like to see a Rotax List. Does anyone know why the never made a Rotax List
> >??
> >
> >Michael A. Bigelow
> >
>
>
>Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax List ???????????????? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
That's a Good Idea....If your gonna make a Rotax list....make BOTH 2 cycle ...AND...4
Stroke
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN FSII/ 503 - N381PM
>
> Hey Matt & All
> If you create a list for Rotax - you might want to make one for 2
> strokes and one for 4 strokes - Thanks,
> jerb
>
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| Subject: | 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" <jdmurr@juno.com>
I had my Firestar out today for about 2 hours (around freezing here in the Northeast
brrr). Anyway it was a little bumpy and it always seems like I don't have
enough aileron throw especially to the left since the stick hits my leg. Even
if I stomp on the rudder really hard it doesn't handle the way I would like
it to.
I also don't like the idea of single standoff on the cage that the aileron bell
crank bolts onto. Looks like a failure point to me. I could modify the linkage
to get more throw, but then it would put more pressure on this bolt because
of the increased leverage.
I thought I heard somewhere that there was an update to the control linkages on
the older Firestars. It would be nice to have more control authority with less
input. Differential would be nice too!
Has anyone dealt with these two issues? My plane flies really well, but I would
like more roll rate especially in rougher air and close to the ground where
I'm flying less than one mistake high. Thanks.
John Murr
1989 Firestar.
I had my Firestar out today for about 2 hours(around freezing here in the Northeast
brrr). Anyway it was a little bumpy and it always seems like I don't have
enough aileron throw especially to the left since the stick hits my leg. Even
if I stomp on the rudder really hard it doesn't handle the way I would like it
to.
I also don't like the idea of single standoff on the cage that the aileron bell
crank bolts onto. Looks like a failure point to me. I could modify the linkage
to get more throw, but then it would put more pressure on this bolt because
of the increased leverage.
I thought I heard somewhere that there was an update to the control linkages on
the older Firestars.It would be nice to have more control authority with less
input. Differential would be nice too!
Has anyone dealt with these two issues? My plane flies really well, but I would
like more roll rate especially in rougher air and close to the ground where I'm
flying less than one mistake high. Thanks.
John Murr
1989 Firestar.
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| Subject: | Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-ce.net>
Anyone know of one for sale in the southeast. I also have a skyraider kit for sale
just needs to be covered has 100 hrs on the airframe and 503 DCDI with b box.
I don't have the time to finish it. GREAT kit plane.
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| Subject: | Re: Best place to learn about Kolbs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
firebug wrote:
>
> I took the fabric off to inspect it and it is in great shape, no damge. It just
needs to be recovered. I am going to sell it and try to find me a flying Kolb.
I want to find out as mush as I can about them. I know about the Skyraider
because I helped the factory sell the kits at Sun n Fun and Oshkosh. They are
excellent planes I just don't have the time to finish it.
Why in the world would you take the covering off if you were not able to recover
it ?? There are much better and easier ways to inspect airplanes without ripping
off all the covering.
So just to make sure im clear on this, you have needlessly ripped all the covering
off your only flyable plane, which was in good condition... Now you are looking
to buy something already built because you want to fly ???
Am I missing something here :?
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Why in the world would you take the covering off if you were not able to recover
it ?? There are much better and easier ways to inspect airplanes without ripping
off all the covering.
So just to make sure im clear on this, you have needlessly ripped all the covering
off your only flyable plane, which was in good condition... Now you are looking
to buy something already built because you want to fly ???
Am I missing something here
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| Subject: | Shoulder straps too loose |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Guys,
I've seen this "cure" before.....This is MY version ....
I took some elec wire, Red to match my plane...and I macreme'd the shoulder strap.....I
need to leave them loose when I fly , so I can lean forward and reach
the ignition ( Cessna too , but for "BOTH" fuel )
Anyway, I had a little trouble with the straps sliding off ......not now.
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN N381PM
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Hi Mike,
Either that is the worlds biggest shop fan, or you are flying a powered parachute,
or trike. Do you still fly that thing, or do you like the firestar so much
that it just sits ? Lets see more pictures of your entire plane, the red checkerboard
looks pretty cool.
Michael A. Bigelow
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
He's some Pic's.... Ralph took these pictures the day of my First Flight...
Oh, the"FAN" is a Buckeye Powered Parachute,Dream Machine,2 seat
582/ 3 blade IVO , For Sale - $8,000
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
What prompted you to take the covering off at only 100 hours? Were
you looking for possible damage or something? Was it stored outside
or hangared? What year was the kit produced and what year placed in service?
jerb
At 04:08 PM 1/22/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-ce.net>
>
>Anyone know of one for sale in the southeast. I also have a
>skyraider kit for sale just needs to be covered has 100 hrs on the
>airframe and 503 DCDI with b box. I don't have the time to finish
>it. GREAT kit plane.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5946#5946
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-ce.net>
Because the covering job looked like SH*T. There was NO chafing tape on the plane
anywhere. The builder put the chafing tape on the airframe, THE FRAME, not
on the exterior over the high points where its supposed to be. I don't know about
you but I will not fly a plane that was not built properly. It is a pain in
the A** to get the chafing tape off of the airframe once it is glued on. He
rapped it around the smaller tubes more than once. I had to use MEK to desolve
the glue and pry the tape off. To recap, he glued the chafing tape to the airframe
then glued the fabric over the chafing tape. Everything else was fine. Because
I bought the plane over the internet and had it deleivered I could not
see this. Now I have run out of time to build and want to find something else.
I hate that because I really wanted a Skyraider. I worked with the factory selling
the kits at Sun n Fun and Oshkosh so I know the planes well. To me the Kolb
is the next best thing. Any other questions?
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FS2Kolb@aol.com
In a message dated 1/22/06 5:33:29 PM Mountain Standard Time,
gcc1964@mon-ce.net writes:
> I hate that because I really wanted a Skyraider. I worked with the factory
> selling the kits at Sun n Fun and Oshkosh so I know the planes well. To me
> the Kolb is the next best thing.
Hi bug,
Your wrong the FireStar the is the best and the Skyraider is second best.
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| Subject: | Shoulder straps too loose |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
"Macreme'd them.."
Damned it man, youre a man. What are you doing with macram. Now if you
were to say "the little woman" did that for you, we could all save face. But
a man macreme'ing! Well that would surely cause John Wayne to roll over in
his grave. Well I can tell you this much; you wouldn't find John H. (Col
Retired) talking about no Macram'. Now there's a real man for ya! HA, HA!
But I have to agree, something need to be done about them dangling shoulder
harness straps.
P.S. Mike, could you make me a set on the Q.T. for my Firstar?
Please, please 'do not archive" !!
Ralph "the good one from Ohio" Hoover
Kolb Firestar KXP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pierzina
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:58 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Shoulder straps too loose
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Guys,
I've seen this "cure" before.....This is MY version ....
I took some elec wire, Red to match my plane...and I macreme'd the shoulder
strap.....I need to leave them loose when I fly , so I can lean forward and
reach the ignition ( Cessna too , but for "BOTH" fuel )
Anyway, I had a little trouble with the straps sliding off ......not now.
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN N381PM
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| Subject: | Re: 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
John,
Is the gap between the ailerons and the wing sealed??
Steven
----- Original Message -----
From: <jdmurr@juno.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:56 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" <jdmurr@juno.com>
>
> I had my Firestar out today for about 2 hours (around freezing here in the
Northeast brrr). Anyway it was a little bumpy and it always seems like I
don't have enough aileron throw especially to the left since the stick hits
my leg. Even if I stomp on the rudder really hard it doesn't handle the way
I would like it to.
> I also don't like the idea of single standoff on the cage that the aileron
bell crank bolts onto. Looks like a failure point to me. I could modify the
linkage to get more throw, but then it would put more pressure on this bolt
because of the increased leverage.
> I thought I heard somewhere that there was an update to the control
linkages on the older Firestars. It would be nice to have more control
authority with less input. Differential would be nice too!
> Has anyone dealt with these two issues? My plane flies really well, but I
would like more roll rate especially in rougher air and close to the ground
where I'm flying less than one mistake high. Thanks.
> John Murr
> 1989 Firestar.
>
>
> I had my Firestar out today for about 2 hours(around freezing here in the
Northeast brrr). Anyway it was a little bumpy and it always seems like I
don't have enough aileron throw especially to the left since the stick hits
my leg. Even if I stomp on the rudder really hard it doesn't handle the way
I would like it to.
>
>
> I also don't like the idea of single standoff on the cage that the aileron
bell crank bolts onto. Looks like a failure point to me. I could modify the
linkage to get more throw, but then it would put more pressure on this bolt
because of the increased leverage.
>
>
> I thought I heard somewhere that there was an update to the control
linkages on the older Firestars.It would be nice to have more control
authority with less input. Differential would be nice too!
>
>
> Has anyone dealt with these two issues? My plane flies really well, but I
would like more roll rate especially in rougher air and close to the ground
where I'm flying less than one mistake high. Thanks.
>
>
> John Murr
>
>
> 1989 Firestar.
>
>
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| Subject: | 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
John, I don't know about the updates, but I haven't seen a Kolb that did not
have differential ailerons. Maybe I haven't seen enough of them?
Richard Swiderski
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmurr@juno.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:57 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" <jdmurr@juno.com>
I had my Firestar out today for about 2 hours (around freezing here in the
Northeast brrr). Anyway it was a little bumpy and it always seems like I
don't have enough aileron throw especially to the left since the stick hits
my leg. Even if I stomp on the rudder really hard it doesn't handle the way
I would like it to.
I also don't like the idea of single standoff on the cage that the aileron
bell crank bolts onto. Looks like a failure point to me. I could modify the
linkage to get more throw, but then it would put more pressure on this bolt
because of the increased leverage.
I thought I heard somewhere that there was an update to the control linkages
on the older Firestars. It would be nice to have more control authority with
less input. Differential would be nice too!
Has anyone dealt with these two issues? My plane flies really well, but I
would like more roll rate especially in rougher air and close to the ground
where I'm flying less than one mistake high. Thanks.
John Murr
1989 Firestar.
I had my Firestar out today for about 2 hours(around freezing here in the
Northeast brrr). Anyway it was a little bumpy and it always seems like I
don't have enough aileron throw especially to the left since the stick hits
my leg. Even if I stomp on the rudder really hard it doesn't handle the way
I would like it to.
I also don't like the idea of single standoff on the cage that the aileron
bell crank bolts onto. Looks like a failure point to me. I could modify the
linkage to get more throw, but then it would put more pressure on this bolt
because of the increased leverage.
I thought I heard somewhere that there was an update to the control linkages
on the older Firestars.It would be nice to have more control authority with
less input. Differential would be nice too!
Has anyone dealt with these two issues? My plane flies really well, but I
would like more roll rate especially in rougher air and close to the ground
where I'm flying less than one mistake high. Thanks.
John Murr
1989 Firestar.
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| Subject: | What's Wrong With This Picture? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
Yesterday I did something in a Kolb that I have never done before in the
25 years that I have been flying. I had the GPS reading 15 mph in
reverse and actually backed up for about 1000 feet or so. It was an
interesting experience. The wind speed was about 60 mph. I was on the
down wind side of a small mountain a couple hundred feet about the peak
and I guess that I was in laminar flow over the mountain. It was very
smooth and kind of fun but I had to be a little creative to get back
home because home was straight into the wind. I turn to the left a
little bit which was farther from home but it allowed me to cross the
mountain and fly at a lower altitude back home. Wish I would have had my
vidoe camara :-) ~ Earl
P.S. Don't try this at home!
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Nice looking plane Mike. The professional lettering on the panel is a nice touch,
how did you do that ?
What is that guage called the miZer ???
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax List ???????????????? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
I have to agree with Mike on this one. The Rotax list should be for ALL types
of rotax engines. I fully agree with the spirit of not fragmenting the list
to much, because a list with no activity is no fun. The Whole reason I suggested
a dedicated Rotax list is to bring everyone together, not to seperate them.
I looked at all the lists, and the ones with the most activity, Kolb, Kitfox, and
Zenith. They ALL use lots of rotax engines, so if we could get twice the number
of people talking and reading about Rotax engines, that would be great.
Right now, we have to search 3 lists to cover the entire Rotax community.
Time will tell, I hope it catches on, but in the end it will be the users that
will determine if its a success or not.
Michael A. Bigelow
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| Subject: | Re: 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" <jdmurr@juno.com>
About 80% of it. There is as small piece missing.
-- "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
John,
Is the gap between the ailerons and the wing sealed??
Steven
----- Original Message -----
From: <jdmurr@juno.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:56 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jdmurr@juno.com" <jdmurr@juno.com>
>
> I had my Firestar out today for about 2 hours (around freezing here in the
Northeast brrr). Anyway it was a little bumpy and it always seems like I
don't have enough aileron throw especially to the left since the stick hits
my leg. Even if I stomp on the rudder really hard it doesn't handle the way
I would like it to.
> I also don't like the idea of single standoff on the cage that the aileron
bell crank bolts onto. Looks like a failure point to me. I could modify the
linkage to get more throw, but then it would put more pressure on this bolt
because of the increased leverage.
> I thought I heard somewhere that there was an update to the control
linkages on the older Firestars. It would be nice to have more control
authority with less input. Differential would be nice too!
> Has anyone dealt with these two issues? My plane flies really well, but I
would like more roll rate especially in rougher air and close to the ground
where I'm flying less than one mistake high. Thanks.
> John Murr
> 1989 Firestar.
>
>
> I had my Firestar out today for about 2 hours(around freezing here in the
Northeast brrr). Anyway it was a little bumpy and it always seems like I
don't have enough aileron throw especially to the left since the stick hits
my leg. Even if I stomp on the rudder really hard it doesn't handle the way
I would like it to.
>
>
> I also don't like the idea of single standoff on the cage that the aileron
bell crank bolts onto. Looks like a failure point to me. I could modify the
linkage to get more throw, but then it would put more pressure on this bolt
because of the increased leverage.
>
>
> I thought I heard somewhere that there was an update to the control
linkages on the older Firestars.It would be nice to have more control
authority with less input. Differential would be nice too!
>
>
> Has anyone dealt with these two issues? My plane flies really well, but I
would like more roll rate especially in rougher air and close to the ground
where I'm flying less than one mistake high. Thanks.
>
>
> John Murr
>
>
> 1989 Firestar.
>
>
About 80% of it. There is as small piece missing.
--"StevenGreen"Kolbdriver@bellsouth.netwrote:
--Kolb-Listmessagepostedby:"StevenGreen"Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net
John,
Isthegapbetweentheaileronsandthewingsealed??
Steven
-----OriginalMessage-----
From:jdmurr@juno.com
To:kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent:Sunday,January22,20064:56PM
Subject:Kolb-List:1989FirestarAileronLinkageUpdate?
--Kolb-Listmessagepostedby:"jdmurr@juno.com"jdmurr@juno.com
IhadmyFirestarouttodayforabout2hours(aroundfreezinghereinthe
Northeastbrrr).AnywayitwasalittlebumpyanditalwaysseemslikeI
don'thaveenoughaileronthrowespeciallytotheleftsincethestickhits
myleg.EvenifIstompontherudderreallyharditdoesn'thandletheway
Iwouldlikeitto.
Ialsodon'tliketheideaofsinglestandoffonthecagethattheaileron
bellcrankboltsonto.Lookslikeafailurepointtome.Icouldmodifythe
linkagetogetmorethrow,butthenitwouldputmorepressureonthisbolt
becauseoftheincreasedleverage.
IthoughtIheardsomewherethattherewasanupdatetothecontrol
linkagesontheolderFirestars.Itwouldbenicetohavemorecontrol
authoritywithlessinput.Differentialwouldbenicetoo!
Hasanyonedealtwiththesetwoissues?Myplanefliesreallywell,butI
wouldlikemorerollrateespeciallyinrougherairandclosetotheground
whereI'mflyinglessthanonemistakehigh.Thanks.
JohnMurr
1989Firestar.
IhadmyFirestarouttodayforabout2hours(aroundfreezinghereinthe
Northeastbrrr).AnywayitwasalittlebumpyanditalwaysseemslikeI
don'thaveenoughaileronthrowespeciallytotheleftsincethestickhits
myleg.EvenifIstompontherudderreallyharditdoesn'thandletheway
Iwouldlikeitto.
Ialsodon'tliketheideaofsinglestandoffonthecagethattheaileron
bellcrankboltsonto.Lookslikeafailurepointtome.Icouldmodifythe
linkagetogetmorethrow,butthenitwouldputmorepressureonthisbolt
becauseoftheincreasedleverage.
IthoughtIheardsomewherethattherewasanupdatetothecontrol
linkagesontheolderFirestars.Itwouldbenicetohavemorecontrol
authoritywithlessinput.Differentialwouldbenicetoo!
Hasanyonedealtwiththesetwoissues?Myplanefliesreallywell,butI
wouldlikemorerollrateespeciallyinrougherairandclosetotheground
whereI'mflyinglessthanonemistakehigh.Thanks.
JohnMurr
1989Firestar.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Earl Zimmerman wrote:
> It was very
> smooth and kind of fun but I had to be a little creative to get back
> home because home was straight into the wind.
Very Cool Earl :D
If you think that was fun, here is another new wind over the mountain thing you
can try. Get a little further downwind from the mountain, where the wind starts
to get pulled down the mountain faster than your Kolb can climb [Shocked]
The experience of sinking into the trees at full power and airspeed just cannot
be beat [Twisted Evil]
All Joking aside, be very careful flying low over terrain like that with high winds,
you can easily find yourself in a situation that no light airplane can survive.
Michael A. Bigelow
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| Subject: | Re: 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
John Murr
You can do what I did to my aleron controll linkeage there are pictures of
the new linkeage I built in the Photo share
I swaped the controll horns on my ailerons and built the linkeage under my
boom tube
Ellery
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
I have a Firestar You can buy that I rebuilt and a nice job I am told by
many to take it to S&F to park at the Kolb Area You can see pictures of it in
the photo share the Green and White Flamed out Firestar with many extras
if your interested contact me off list at , ElleryWeld@aol.com
Ellery
do not archive
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| Subject: | take off with flaps |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Question: Is there an advantage to taking off with
flapperons down or would it be better to ignore the flapperons altogether
on a
2800'
grass strip.
I did some test with my mark III.. With no flaps.. 20 deg and full 40 deg
flaps.. With no flaps or at 40 deg the take off roll was about the same.
But with 20 deg of flaps the take off was around 50 ft shorter. Even
though there is more lift possible with 40 deg of flaps. it also creates
more drag.. and the drag penalty is more than the lift of the extra
deflection.
Boyd your change may vary.
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| Subject: | Re: take off with flaps |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
A flaperons down takeoff will shorten yoru takeoff roll as you found in your testing.
Flaps will add extra drag, and hurt your climb rate, but you will get
off the ground faster. If you are worried about mud, soft field, short field,
use flaps... If you need to climb faster, no flaps would be better. In no case
should you ever use full flaps for takeoff, at that setting the drag penalty
is so high that you only hurt your performance to the point of being hazardous
!
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| Subject: | Re: take off with flaps |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
In no case should you ever use full flaps for takeoff, at that
setting the drag penalty is so high that you only hurt your
performance to the point of being hazardous !
Mike B:
There is one exception, or variation, that I use occassionally. It is
useful getting out of a soft, wet, or heavily vegetated strip. Start
the takeoff roll clean. Just prior to reaching stall speed, snatch
the flaps all the way down. Soon as the MKIII pops off the ground,
start easing the flaps out and continue to climb.
Normally, never use flaps for take off, but use them for most all
landings.
john h
MKIII
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
A price and location on that SkyRaider for sale
would be nice. Especially since there is no way
to contact you using the e-mail heading listed
as yours at the top os your messages.......
i.e.; "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-ce.net>
Bounces.
George
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