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1. 12:12 AM - Re: Re: take off with flaps (Ed Chmielewski)
2. 02:32 AM - Re: Shoulder straps too loose (pat ladd)
3. 02:36 AM - Re: Re: Looking for a Firestar (pat ladd)
4. 04:19 AM - Re: Looking for a Firestar (firebug)
5. 04:22 AM - Re: Shoulder straps too loose (pat ladd)
6. 04:27 AM - Corrected my email (firebug)
7. 04:58 AM - Re: What's Wrong With This Picture? (pat ladd)
8. 05:40 AM - Re: Re: Looking for a Firestar (robert bean)
9. 07:10 AM - Re: Looking for a Firestar (JetPilot)
10. 07:16 AM - Re: What's Wrong With This Picture? (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
11. 08:07 AM - Re: Looking for a Firestar (JetPilot)
12. 08:13 AM - Re: take off with flaps (JetPilot)
13. 09:01 AM - Re: take off with flaps (John Hauck)
14. 09:13 AM - Re: take off with flaps (John Hauck)
15. 09:21 AM - Re: Chafing Tape (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
16. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: Looking for a Firestar (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
17. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: Looking for a Firestar (Ed Chmielewski)
18. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
19. 10:31 AM - Re: Chafing Tape (firebug)
20. 10:41 AM - Senior Moment (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
21. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Looking for a Firestar (pat ladd)
22. 10:56 AM - Re: Looking for a Firestar (firebug)
23. 10:58 AM - Re: What's Wrong With This Picture? (pat ladd)
24. 10:59 AM - John H's position (Todd Fredricks)
25. 11:11 AM - Re: Shoulder straps too loose (flht99reh)
26. 11:16 AM - Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) (firebug)
27. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: Looking for a Firestar (ray anderson)
28. 11:28 AM - Re: John H's position (John Hauck)
29. 12:13 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar (JetPilot)
30. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: Looking for a Firestar (Chris Mallory)
31. 01:12 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar (firebug)
32. 01:19 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar (JetPilot)
33. 01:21 PM - Re: John H's position (Todd Fredricks)
34. 01:25 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar (firebug)
35. 01:31 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) (JetPilot)
36. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: Looking for a Firestar (Chris Mallory)
37. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: Looking for a Firestar (Chris Mallory)
38. 02:21 PM - Re: take off with flaps (Mark)
39. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) (russ kinne)
40. 03:06 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) (JetPilot)
41. 03:28 PM - Re: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) (JW Hauck)
42. 03:29 PM - Re: Shoulder straps too loose (Mike Pierzina)
43. 03:30 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar (JetPilot)
44. 03:34 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) (firebug)
45. 03:47 PM - Re: Shoulder straps too loose (Mike Pierzina)
46. 03:49 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) (JetPilot)
47. 03:59 PM - Re: Shoulder straps too loose (Mike Pierzina)
48. 04:11 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) (firebug)
49. 04:21 PM - Re: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) (Chris Mallory)
50. 04:30 PM - firebug, jetpilot (flykolb)
51. 04:38 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) (JetPilot)
52. 04:51 PM - Starting new improved thread: Looking for a FireStar (firebug)
53. 04:55 PM - Re: firebug, jetpilot (firebug)
54. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: Shoulder straps too loose (flht99reh)
55. 05:56 PM - Re: firebug, jetpilot (JetPilot)
56. 06:10 PM - Flying Pictures (R. Hankins)
57. 06:14 PM - Re: Re: firebug, jetpilot (Dallas Shepherd)
58. 06:50 PM - Great aviation movie (kfackler)
59. 06:58 PM - Re: Shoulder straps too loose (Mike Pierzina)
60. 07:17 PM - Re: Flying Pictures (firebug)
61. 07:23 PM - Try Hang gliding it will help your flying skills (firebug)
62. 07:28 PM - Re: Great aviation movie (R. Hankins)
63. 07:29 PM - Re: Flying Pictures (R. Hankins)
64. 07:58 PM - Re: Re: Flying Pictures (Larry Bourne)
65. 08:58 PM - Re: Flying Pictures (rlaird)
66. 09:55 PM - Re: Re: Flying Pictures (Larry Bourne)
67. 10:03 PM - Yearlings....oh well (possums)
68. 10:25 PM - Re: Re: firebug, jetpilot (Ed Chmielewski)
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| Subject: | Re: take off with flaps |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Hi John,
Great technique. One of my early instructors taught me the same
thing, saved me once on a snowy, short runway (PA-28 with Hershey-bar wing).
Ed in JXN (MI)
MkII/503
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From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: take off with flaps
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> In no case should you ever use full flaps for takeoff, at that
> setting the drag penalty is so high that you only hurt your
> performance to the point of being hazardous !
>
> Mike B:
>
> There is one exception, or variation, that I use occassionally. It is
> useful getting out of a soft, wet, or heavily vegetated strip. Start
> the takeoff roll clean. Just prior to reaching stall speed, snatch
> the flaps all the way down. Soon as the MKIII pops off the ground,
> start easing the flaps out and continue to climb.
>
> Normally, never use flaps for take off, but use them for most all
> landings.
>
> john h
> MKIII
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Red to match my plane...and I macreme'd the shoulder strap..>>
Hi,
oh ducky, how sweet. I bet you look sooo cute...( purl one, stitch one,
drop one....)
Cheers
Pat :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
the chafing tape on the airframe, THE FRAME, not on the exterior over the
high points where its supposed to be. >>
Hi,
this intrigues me. If the tape is not between the frame and the covering
what does it do?. What chafes on the OUTSIDE of the covering?
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-ce.net>
Chafing tape is put on the high spots of the airframe because those parts are more
likely to rub against objects. Look at a Cub or other fabric covered aircraft,
you will see chafing tape on the airframe. When the airframes high points
rub on something the chafing tape rubs instead of the fabric. This makes the
fabric twice as thick which makes it twice as had to rub through. You will typically
see it on the longerons and any other area that protrudes.
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
surely cause John Wayne to roll over in his grave. >>
Hi Ralph,
what would certainly cause him to roll over in his grave is Brokeback
Mountain, a film about gay cowboys. Good grief. On the other hand with a
name like Marion.....
Cheers
Pat :-)
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| Subject: | Corrected my email |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
I had to correct my email. Sorry for any trouble it caused. Just for the record
it is gcc1964@mon-cre.net I also discovered that the forum inserts (at)
for the symble @ which you have to change when you email someone. If I am
wrong please correct me.
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| Subject: | Re: What's Wrong With This Picture? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
I was on the down wind side of a small mountain a couple hundred feet about
the peak>>
Hi,
you were very lucky. A bit lower and the downgoing side of the airflow would
have put you firmly on the ground. A friend of mine when we were doing 5
hours on a ridge for a gliding badge took a short cut from one end of the
ridge to the other which took him back behind the lift into the curlover.
He went down in a cornfield absolutely vertically. The pattern he left in
the corn was a complete outline of the glider, no run in or approach. He
must have gone in absolutely flat . It broke the glider fuselage in half
just behind the wing and gave the guy back trouble for a long time.
The sensation of flying backwards is really strange though. I have done it
twice. Once in a glider where I launched up the wire, levelled out, dumped
the wire and drifted backwards far enough to make a straight in approach to
land without turning. Once when I was having a demonstration flight in
gyrocopter. We climbed to about a thousand feet and then flew more and more
slowly until we began to drift backwards. At that point the pilot said `I
expect you are wondering what would happen if the engine stopped now` Then
he switched it off. In the sudden silence we fluttered down to a smooth
landing right on the numbers. Impressive but odd.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
What we have here is more a confusion in nomenclature than fact.
A chafing tape would be occasionally necessary on a rough surface
directly over the frame before covering. The tape on the outside
of the fabric is (no kidding) surface tape. It provides both additional
strength at protruding points and is a sacrificial bump absorber.
Not much more to that subject, unless you get down to diddly stuff
like pinked vs straight edge, bias tape, whether to use grade A, etc.
-BB
On 23, Jan 2006, at 5:36 AM, pat ladd wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> the chafing tape on the airframe, THE FRAME, not on the exterior over
> the
> high points where its supposed to be. >>
>
> Hi,
>
> this intrigues me. If the tape is not between the frame and the
> covering
> what does it do?. What chafes on the OUTSIDE of the covering?
>
> Pat
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
So it turns out that the airplane was properly built, and that the covering was
ripped off for nothing [Shocked]
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NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: What's Wrong With This Picture? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
pat ladd wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> I was on the down wind side of a small mountain a couple hundred feet about
> the peak>>
>
> Hi,
> you were very lucky. A bit lower and the downgoing side of the airflow would
> have put you firmly on the ground.
I meant to type "a couple hundred feet (above) the peak". I was about
3-4 miles down wind of the mountain at about 1500-1700 ft AGL. At the
point where I was backing up the air was very smooth. It reminded me of
when you see a hawk (not Hauck) hovering motionless in the air. Farther
down wind of the mountain it was pretty rough. I tighten me seatbelt a
couple tugs, would have banged my bald spot if it were any looser.
I do understand what you are saying though, but I didn't think that I
was that close to the mountain. Maybe I was in the next wave off the
mountain. Sure glad I wasn't in a glider, but a 1000 fpm 582 powered
MKII! ~ Earl
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
JetPilot wrote:
> Firebug,
>
> So it turns out that the airplane was properly built, and that the covering was
ripped off for nothing [Shocked] Chafing tape on the inside of the covering
would certainly not hurt anything. Sounds like you tore up a perfectly
good airplane to me [Crying or Very sad] .
>
> The guys were correct about something eles, the firestar is much better than
the skyraider. Being in front of everything with almost unlimited visibility
is what this type of flying is all about. If you want to be closed in an airplane
with no visibility like the Skyraider, you might as well be flying around
a Cessna 150 [Evil or Very Mad]
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| Subject: | Re: take off with flaps |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Very Correct John,
I did not consider that situation, but that would work great :D I immagine
you used that technique on the the soft beach in alaska, I remember seeing a picture
of your tailwheel sunk way down in the sand.
JettPilot
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| Subject: | Re: take off with flaps |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I immagine you used that technique on the the soft beach in alaska
Morning Mike B/Gang:
That is correct. That was the old Maule 6" solid rubber tailwheel in that picture.
In sand, as dry and soft as it was on the beach, 12 miles south of Barrow
Airport, the tailwheel acted like an anchor.
Poor planning got me on the beach with full fuel and gear, aprx'ly 1,200 lbs takeoff
weight. I should have gone down the Will Rogers/Wiley Post Memorial before
I refueled after my flight from Helmericks. Would have been easier to get
in and out of the beach. However, the old fat MKIII did her job quite well,
as usual.
I now have an 8" pnuematic Maule Tundra Tailwheel which would have done a much
better job.
I have attached two photos of Miss P'fer (P fer plane) on the beach on the Arctic
Ocean at the Will Rogers/Wiley Post crash site and memorial. Very solem feeling
standing alone on that beach where these two adventurers died in 1935.
Little MKIII never ceases to amaze me.
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: take off with flaps |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Gang:
Here was another occassion to use the "flap pop up" technique of takeoff. Was
between LA, CA, and Laughlin, NV. In dire need of a pit stop. Nearest airport
30 miles off course. Picked out a dry creek bed, drug it twice, then went for
it. Sand was dry and deeper than I had expected. Thank goodness for the displaced
main gear on my MKIII. Standard MKIII gear location would have put me
on my nose and I would have been looking for another way back to Alabama. In
a situation like this, there is no way to know exactly what you are getting
into until you have committed to land. I was a little bit, well..........a lot
leary, of getting back out of there. Walked my take off track to make sure
there wasn't anything that was going to jump out and bite me. Big problem is
getting the aircraft to start rolling. I also had dug out in front of the mains
to help every little bit I could to get moving. Once I got her rolling, she
climbed right up on top of the sand, popped the flaps, and we were flying.
That is always a super good feeling when we get back in the air once again.
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Chafing Tape |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-ce.net>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:18 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for a Firestar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-ce.net>
>
> Chafing tape is put on the high spots of the airframe because those
parts are more likely to rub against objects. Look at a Cub or other fabric
covered aircraft, you will see chafing tape on the airframe. When the
airframes high points rub on something the chafing tape rubs instead of the
fabric. This makes the fabric twice as thick which makes it twice as had to
rub through. You will typically see it on the longerons and any other area
that protrudes.
According to the Poly-Fiber manual, chafing tape is put under the fabric.
"Any sharp edge or structural feature that might cut or poke through the
fabric should be covered with cloth sticky-back anti-chafe tape."
..."Obviously it should go over rivet heads, metal seams, and sharp edges
that could cut the fabric." (page 12)
I took the liberty of changing the subject line to better reflect the
subject under discussion.
AzDave
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <neilsenrmf@comcast.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for a Firestar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
> So it turns out that the airplane was properly built, and that the
> covering was ripped off for nothing [Shocked]
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6119#6119
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Not having been there, how can you determine whether the aircraft was built
properly and covering did not need replacement? Hours aren't the
determining factor for fabric, age and the elements are. Or maybe the owner
just wanted to recover for peace of mind, experience, different fabric, who
knows? Not having been there, I sure don't.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for a Firestar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
> So it turns out that the airplane was properly built, and that the
> covering was ripped off for nothing [Shocked]
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6119#6119
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <neilsenrmf@comcast.net>
Mike
You made you point, why do you feel the need to rub his nose in it? How
would you feel if you had done that to a perfectly good airplane and someone
kept making posts to the world about how you screwed up. It was necessary to
keep others from not making the same mistake but please let it go.
Thanks
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for a Firestar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
> So it turns out that the airplane was properly built, and that the
> covering was ripped off for nothing [Shocked]
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6119#6119
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Chafing Tape |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
I understand that chafing tape goes on the rough areas under the fabric but you
also put it on the exterior too, it can also be refered to as surface tape. The
function is two fold, one it strengthens the area but I think most importantly
it guards against chafing the fabric when the high spot hits an object. It
is simply 2 - 3 inches wide usually with pinked edges. It is glued to the surface
like it is over the ribs of the wings.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <neilsenrmf@comcast.net>
I really sorry for the last two posts they were meant to be sent off list.
Do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
confusion in nomenclature>>
Hi Robert,
looks as though you are right. I certainly put `chafing tape` around all the
sharp corners of the airframe before covering and `pinked cut` tape on the
outside before spraying.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
TO JETPILOT: There are always a few like you on every board talking when you should
shut up. You do not know what you are talking about. I would hate to fly
anything you have built. Yes there are areas under the fabric where you put chafing
tape. There are also areas on the surface you put it, sometimes it is refered
to as surface tape. Its function on the surface is to keep the fabric from
being rubbed through, chafed when it is struck at a high point on the airframe.
He had NONE of this, that is a sign of a poorly built plane in my opinion.
The high spots are going to be hit period. You put surface or chafing tape on
the high spots to double the thickness of the fabric. LOOK at a factory built
Cub if you don't believe me. You DO NOT rap chafing tape all the way around
the frame of the rudder, horizontal stabilizer, elevator etc and THEN glue the
fabric to the chafing tape. The fabric is glued to the structure of the rudder,
elevator, horizintal stabilizer etc. He had chafing tape glued all the way
around the perimeter of the tail feathers. Can you understand that do I need to
draw you a picture? He also did the same thing to the rest of the airframe.
What do you fly? I find it hard to believe it is a jet.
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| Subject: | Re: What's Wrong With This Picture? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Maybe I was in the next wave off the
mountain. Sure glad I wasn't in a glider, but a 1000 fpm 582 powered>>
Hi Earl,
you might have been in the second wave. It is uncannily smooth. Super flying
in the `up` section. If you had been in the downflow of a good wave your 582
would`nt have saved you, and the rotor may well have banged your bald spot
right through the canopy.
Pat
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| Subject: | John H's position |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
So John;
Am I to take it after all the flaperon, flap debate that you fall into the
camp of separate flaps and ailerons? I am heading down to London first of
next month to size up the Mark IIIX for myself (since the 172 finally sold)
and at some point I need to start planning for the separate flap option.
I ask specifically because as an Army flight surgeon I always looked at the
principal function of Army W O s as keeping the FS from killing himself when
he take the flight controls.
Todd
PS: Thanks for attaching the separate photos of Miss P'Fer to some of your
posts. They make great screensavers to muse over....
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| Subject: | Shoulder straps too loose |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
Hey Pat! Don't you pick on my flyin brother Plainecrazzy. He said he'd make
me a set if I flew out there and whopped your old hide ! HA. HA!
Anyway, since we need to keep the subject matter about Kolbs to please the
site master and purpose of our gathering place. If he makes me a set, I'll
fly my 1990 Kolb Firestar KXP with 503 DIDC out to whoop your old hide,
after I complete my lessons. How old are you now Pat, It might be a while.
Ralph, "the good one from Ohio"
P.S. Pat, for your information; "pearl one, stitch one, drop one" is not
macram! Thats knitting. And unless you want to meet me in a dark ally, all
230# and 6'1" of me, you do not want to pick on the knitters in America!
Cause we can find you in a heartbeat! HA, HA!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pat ladd
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Shoulder straps too loose
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Red to match my plane...and I macreme'd the shoulder strap..>>
Hi,
oh ducky, how sweet. I bet you look sooo cute...( purl one, stitch one,
drop one....)
Cheers
Pat :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
Thanks for your comment. Believe me the plane was not perfectly good. He had rapped
the chafing tape around the perimeter of the tail feathers as well as other
parts and glued it to the surfaces. He then glued the fabric to the chafing
tape. That is not good. He then neglected to put surface tape on the exterior
along the high spots. I also refered to this as chafing tape as it is there to
keep the fabric from being chafed through.
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Let's don't get ugly. Play nice.
Ray
UltraStar TN
do not archive.
firebug <gcc1964@mon-cre.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug"
TO JETPILOT: There are always a few like you on every board talking when you should
shut up. You do not know what you are talking about. I would hate to fly
anything you have built. Yes there are areas under the fabric where you put chafing
tape. There are also areas on the surface you put it, sometimes it is refered
to as surface tape. Its function on the surface is to keep the fabric from
being rubbed through, chafed when it is struck at a high point on the airframe.
He had NONE of this, that is a sign of a poorly built plane in my opinion.
The high spots are going to be hit period. You put surface or chafing tape on
the high spots to double the thickness of the fabric. LOOK at a factory built
Cub if you don't believe me. You DO NOT rap chafing tape all the way around
the frame of the rudder, horizontal stabilizer, elevator etc and THEN glue the
fabric to the chafing tape. The fabric is glued to the structure of the rudder,
elevator, horizintal stabilizer etc. He had chafi!
ng tape glued all the way around the perimeter of the tail feathers. Can you understand
that do I need to draw you a picture? He also did the same thing to the
rest of the airframe. What do you fly? I find it hard to believe it is a jet.
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| Subject: | Re: John H's position |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
into the
| camp of separate flaps and ailerons?
|
| I ask specifically because as an Army flight surgeon I always looked
at the
| principal function of Army W O s as keeping the FS from killing
himself when
| he take the flight controls.
|
| Todd
Hi Todd/Gang:
Well..........I don't fall into any camp. I am pretty much an
individualist.
Have been extremely lucky, with a 22 year close association with both
old and new Kolb. I got to fly and compare most of the Kolb models.
Not just a quick flight, but extensively. This was a great way of
gathering info and making decisions on what I build, what I modify,
and what I fly. Made it very easy for me to determine what works best
for me.
It does not lend much credence, to me, for someone to tell me how much
better one system works than the other, when they do so without
actual experience of flying both systems. In some cases, without any
experience flying a Kolb.
I don't sell airplanes, so I can be very honest in my opinions of what
works for me, and what does not. I think I have the best that Kolb
offers in a 16 year old design, with a few of my own mods thrown in to
make my type of flying more comfortable and more likely to accomplish
successfully.
To me, flaps work much better than flaperons. Some aileron authority
is lost with the flaperon system. They are not nearly as effective in
steep approaches and landings as the flaps.
I wasn't a WO, but I know what you mean. I always relied on them to
keep me out of trouble, even to this day. I am very fortunate to have
a good friend and a retired Army CWO to fly with each year. I always
learn something when I am flying with him.
You are more than welcome for the photo posts.
john h
MKIII
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
firebug wrote:
> I also have a skyraider kit for sale just needs to be covered has 100 hrs on
the airframe and 503 DCDI with b box. I don't have the time to finish it. GREAT
kit plane.
Firebug,
Your response was very nasty and uncalled for. You advertised an uncovered kit
in good shape for sale here. Im sure everyones natural question was "why was
the covering ripped off ".... Telling someone to shut up for commenting and
asking about it is way out of line and unacceptable conduct here.
--------
NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
What he do here is talk about KOLBS and KOLB related areas of interest.
Firebug bought an airplane and for whatever reason took the covering off of
it, I'll bet that he didn't do that because he wanted to destroy an aircraft
that he just bought and paid for.
Jetpilot beat him like a rented mule for his post on the KOLB list. I think
the guy has suffered enough because of this Skyraider business.
Now let's all do what we can to put this ugly affair behind us and help
firebug get the airplane that he should have bought in the first place.
Chris Mallory
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:12 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for a Firestar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
>
> firebug wrote:
>> I also have a skyraider kit for sale just needs to be covered has 100 hrs
>> on the airframe and 503 DCDI with b box. I don't have the time to finish
>> it. GREAT kit plane.
>
>
> Firebug,
>
> Your response was very nasty and uncalled for. You advertised an
> uncovered kit in good shape for sale here. Im sure everyones natural
> question was "why was the covering ripped off ".... Telling someone to
> shut up for commenting and asking about it is way out of line and
> unacceptable conduct here.
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6201#6201
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
Tampabay: I'll bet you are in Tampa Fl. right? i have relatives down there, nice
place. Where do you fly out of? And you are right I didn't take the fabric off
to destroy the plane for fun. I hated to do that but I like thing to be right
especially when my rear end is in it at 5000ft agl. If I can get rid of the
Skyraider I will buy a Kolb. I started to buy one in the first place. Whether
the Kolb is better than the Raider is a matter of opinon. Most likely you will
side with the plane you own. I am sure once I have gotten a Kolb I will be singing
it's praises. Any help in getting rid of the Raider and finding a Firestar
would be greatly appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
wcm(at)tampabay.rr.com wrote:
>
> Jetpilot beat him like a rented mule for his post on the KOLB list. I think
> the guy has suffered enough because of this Skyraider business.
>
> Chris Mallory
>
What difference does it make if Firebug was advertising a Kolb or not ??? I could
care less, he adviertised it here, so im more than happy to talk about it
in this forum. You are the only one that has vioced a problem with it not being
a Kolb on a Kolb list.......
I did ask Firebug the same question any competent buyer would ask... Why rip
relitively new covering off an airframe that is in good condition ??? Is Firebug
going to verbally assault his potiental buyers if they ask him the same question
?? Given Firebugs response, he is not the kind of person I would ever
want to do busienss with.
Michael A. Bigelow
--------
NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: John H's position |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
Well this is all good because when I spoke to Izek at OSH he told me that I
could order the IIIX with flaps as an option so I think that is the way to
go. I am going to be doing a lot of what you are doing and my 64 172E with
40 degrees of available flaps and my now-departed Maule M5-235C spoiled me
rotten for their ability to maintain a vertical line without excessive
airspeed.
My 900 feet of upsloping ridgeline will like the Kolb immensely I think.
So I take it that you were an RLO?
Really excited to work with a fine airplane and be able to envision trips to
far away places...
Todd
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Flying Fox Services
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
Jetpilot: It not that you asked me why I took the fabric off that was wrong. It
was the way you seem to enjoy saying that I needlessly ripped the covering off
of a perfectly good airplane[it wasn't]. You repeated that "It turns out that
the plane was properly built and the cover was torn off for nothing"
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
neilsenrmf(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Mike
>
> You made you point, why do you feel the need to rub his nose in it? How
> would you feel if you had done that to a perfectly good airplane and someone
> kept making posts to the world about how you screwed up. It was necessary to
> keep others from not making the same mistake but please let it go.
>
>
I asked the question as ANY potiental buyer of that airplane is going to ask...
I talked about it again because some others pointed out that firebug was in error
in what he described, Firebug still defended what he had done as being correct...
I posted again not to rub his nose in it, but to generate more discussion
on the matter and maybe we could all learn more from this.
If I made a mistake, I would admint it and try to learn enough from people on the
list so that I would make the same mistake again. So it was brought up a couple
times, big deal. The way Firebug verbally assaulted me in a very nasty
way for questioning why he did that tells a lot about the kind of man he is.
Given Firebugs response to a legitimate question about an airplane he is selling,
I would never buy an airplane, or do any type of business with him.
--------
NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
Myself, George and Beauford all fly out of Airport Manatee, it's on the
south shore of Tampa Bay.
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with a Skyraider. It's all in what your happy
with. I love my Kolb and I researched every single plane out there (for
years) nothing surpasses the Kolb for safety, design, Bang for your buck and
just the pure fun of flying.
Jetpilot was right about "the Kolb view", in a Kolb almost the entire
aircraft is behind you and you don't have a feeling of being "in" an
airplane .... just stuck out there in the wind ....... Did I mention that I
love my Kolb.
Anyway ..... good luck to you and don't shy away from posting questions to
the list. The amount of experience and expertise here is unbelievable.
Chris Mallory
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 4:11 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for a Firestar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
>
> Tampabay: I'll bet you are in Tampa Fl. right? i have relatives down
> there, nice place. Where do you fly out of? And you are right I didn't
> take the fabric off to destroy the plane for fun. I hated to do that but I
> like thing to be right especially when my rear end is in it at 5000ft agl.
> If I can get rid of the Skyraider I will buy a Kolb. I started to buy one
> in the first place. Whether the Kolb is better than the Raider is a matter
> of opinon. Most likely you will side with the plane you own. I am sure
> once I have gotten a Kolb I will be singing it's praises. Any help in
> getting rid of the Raider and finding a Firestar would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6222#6222
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
Mike,
My reference to Kolb was meant to say that we are here to support others
that are interested in Kolbs not belittle them for some mistake they may
have made.
And ... are you or were you truly an interested prospective buyer? If so and
you didn't like what he had to say then just look elsewhere.
You know a little compassion wouldn't hurt.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for a Firestar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
>
> wcm(at)tampabay.rr.com wrote:
>>
>> Jetpilot beat him like a rented mule for his post on the KOLB list. I
>> think
>> the guy has suffered enough because of this Skyraider business.
>>
>> Chris Mallory
>>
>
>
> What difference does it make if Firebug was advertising a Kolb or not ???
> I could care less, he adviertised it here, so im more than happy to talk
> about it in this forum. You are the only one that has vioced a problem
> with it not being a Kolb on a Kolb list.......
>
> I did ask Firebug the same question any competent buyer would ask... Why
> rip relitively new covering off an airframe that is in good condition ???
> Is Firebug going to verbally assault his potiental buyers if they ask him
> the same question ?? Given Firebugs response, he is not the kind of
> person I would ever want to do busienss with.
>
> Michael A. Bigelow
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6226#6226
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: take off with flaps |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mark" <mshimei@netzero.net>
WOW!!!
Thats how I used to get my PA28-140 off the ground on shorter strips. Thought
no one else did it...
--------
Mark Shimei
Twinstar, 503
Phantom, Kawasaki 440
Weight shift Quick, Chrysler
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
I agree. He had reasons for removing the fabric, and it's his
aircraft -- you don't need to jump all over him for it.
Let's keep the List friendly and cooperative -- not abrasive or
scolding.
On Jan 23, 2006, at 3:30 PM, JetPilot wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
>
> neilsenrmf(at)comcast.net wrote:
>> Mike
>>
>> You made you point, why do you feel the need to rub his nose in
>> it? How
>> would you feel if you had done that to a perfectly good airplane
>> and someone
>> kept making posts to the world about how you screwed up. It was
>> necessary to
>> keep others from not making the same mistake but please let it go.
>>
>>
>
>
> I asked the question as ANY potiental buyer of that airplane is
> going to ask... I talked about it again because some others pointed
> out that firebug was in error in what he described, Firebug still
> defended what he had done as being correct... I posted again not
> to rub his nose in it, but to generate more discussion on the
> matter and maybe we could all learn more from this.
>
> If I made a mistake, I would admint it and try to learn enough from
> people on the list so that I would make the same mistake again. So
> it was brought up a couple times, big deal. The way Firebug
> verbally assaulted me in a very nasty way for questioning why he
> did that tells a lot about the kind of man he is. Given Firebugs
> response to a legitimate question about an airplane he is selling,
> I would never buy an airplane, or do any type of business with him.
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
> have !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6238#6238
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote:
> I agree. He had reasons for removing the fabric, and it's his
> aircraft -- you don't need to jump all over him for it.
>
I did not jump all over him for it, although a number of people did question it
and rightfully so. You are telling ME to keep it friendly, I kept it very
freindly. The only nasty, unfriendly post here was wirtten by Firebug.... You
need to check your facts and rethink who you are telling to "keep it friendly",
and " dont jump all over him". You are obviously an not to bright telling
me this after what firebug posted.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JW Hauck" <jimh474@earthlink.net>
Y'all;
Don't y'all think it would be a good idea to drop this thread as it will
lead to a no good end. I feel this ole horse has been whipped enough.
Jim Hauck
On 1/23/2006 5:56:15 PM, kolb-list@matronics.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
>
> I agree. He had reasons for removing the fabric, and
> it's his
> aircraft -- you don't need to jump all over him for it.
> Let's keep the List friendly and cooperative -- not abrasive or
> scolding.
>
> On Jan 23, 2006, at 3:30 PM, JetPilot wrote:
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > neilsenrmf(at)comcast.net wrote:
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> You made you point, why do you feel the need to rub his nose in
> >> it? How
> >> would you feel if you had done that to a perfectly good airplane
> >> and someone
> >> kept making posts to the world about how you screwed up. It was
> >> necessary to
> >> keep others from not making the same mistake but please let it go.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > I asked the question as ANY potiental buyer of that airplane is
> > going to ask... I talked about it again because some others pointed
> > out that firebug was in error in what he described, Firebug still
> > defended what he had done as being correct... I posted again not
> > to rub his nose in it,
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hi,
The "lettering" on the dash is done with my computer, then "taped" in place.....
One is my "N" number.... on the other side are my "V speeds"
And I put "Stall" and "VNE" in RED
I also labeled all the other stuff that way for my airworthiness inspection.
I used the WIDE clear tape, so it seals it , and looks better...
The Gauge that sez " miZer " is my Fuel gauge/fuel flow gauge, and it has an
alarm ( at whatever gals "left" I program )
It was a litte SPENDY at $300 bucks from A.S.&S.
Gotta Fly...
> The professional lettering on the panel is a nice touch, how did you do that
?
>
> What is that guage called the miZer ???
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
rsanoa wrote:
>
>
> TO JETPILOT: There are always a few like you on every board talking when you
should shut up. You do not know what you are talking about. I would hate to fly
anything you have built. Yes there are areas under the fabric where you put
chafing tape. There are also areas on the surface you put it, sometimes it is
refered to as surface tape. Its function on the surface is to keep the fabric
from being rubbed through, chafed when it is struck at a high point on the airframe.
He had NONE of this, that is a sign of a poorly built plane in my opinion.
The high spots are going to be hit period. You put surface or chafing tape
on the high spots to double the thickness of the fabric. LOOK at a factory built
Cub if you don't believe me. You DO NOT rap chafing tape all the way around
the frame of the rudder, horizontal stabilizer, elevator etc and THEN glue the
fabric to the chafing tape. The fabric is glued to the structure of the rudder,
elevator, horizintal stabilizer etc. He had chafi!
> ng tape glued all the way around the perimeter of the tail feathers. Can you
understand that do I need to draw you a picture? He also did the same thing to
the rest of the airframe. What do you fly? I find it hard to believe it is a
jet.
>
>
>
The only one that posted a nasty, rude, and uncalled for statement was Firebug.
You are out of line telling me to have compassion while ignoring Firebugs post...
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
I am over it.
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hi Guys,
Now leme Splain sometin........
Macreme.......Is " Knot " tying , Which I pride myself in knowing alot of different
HANDY knots.....Truckers Knot, Turkey Foot, half hitch, Square,
and a bunch more that I don't know there name...
Sailors know knots.....Is it for knitting ???
That was funny tho...
These had to be tied "in place" because the way I did it was....I threaded the
wire thru the belt on "TOP" , (I made a hole with a fat pin)....That way the
"Loom" Can't slip down.....
And if you want a good job....do it yerself, don't ask the "little woman"
Well, you can ask her "how the hell do ya do that"...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN N381PM
flht99reh(at)netzero.net wrote:
> "Macreme'd them.."
>
> Damned it man, youre a man. What are you doing with macram. Now if you
> were to say "the little woman" did that for you, we could all save face. But
> a man macreme'ing! Well that would surely cause John Wayne to roll over in
> his grave. Well I can tell you this much; you wouldn't find John H. (Col
> Retired) talking about no Macram'. Now there's a real man for ya! HA, HA!
>
> But I have to agree, something need to be done about them dangling shoulder
> harness straps.
>
> P.S. Mike, could you make me a set on the Q.T. for my Firstar?
>
> Please, please 'do not archive" !!
>
>
> Ralph "the good one from Ohio" Hoover
> Kolb Firestar KXP
>
>
>
>
> --
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
firebug wrote:
> I am over it.
Firebug, you come into the list and on your third day here post the meanest, nastiest
post I have ever seen here.... And all you can say is I am over it..
That just shows what kind of a small man you are.
Nothing short of a very public, and sincere apology would even begin to correct
this.
firebug wrote:
>
> TO JETPILOT: There are always a few like you on every board talking when you
should shut up. You do not know what you are talking about. I would hate to fly
anything you have built. Yes there are areas under the fabric where you put
chafing tape. There are also areas on the surface you put it, sometimes it is
refered to as surface tape. Its function on the surface is to keep the fabric
from being rubbed through, chafed when it is struck at a high point on the airframe.
He had NONE of this, that is a sign of a poorly built plane in my opinion.
The high spots are going to be hit period. You put surface or chafing tape
on the high spots to double the thickness of the fabric. LOOK at a factory built
Cub if you don't believe me. You DO NOT rap chafing tape all the way around
the frame of the rudder, horizontal stabilizer, elevator etc and THEN glue the
fabric to the chafing tape. The fabric is glued to the structure of the rudder,
elevator, horizintal stabilizer etc. He had chafi!
> ng tape glued all the way around the perimeter of the tail feathers. Can you
understand that do I need to draw you a picture? He also did the same thing to
the rest of the airframe. What do you fly? I find it hard to believe it is a
jet.
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hi Guys,
One other thing.....Each of the shoulder straps took about 15 min
to tie the loom..... it used 14 ft of elec wire( each loom ), and it made aprox
a 12" long loom...
It is VERY SIMPLE to do.....It's a simple knot that is repeated over and over....
Gotta Fly...
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
JetPilot: I suggest you go back and read your posts and maybe you will see why
I was offended and deffended myself. When provoked I will strike back quickly.
I make my living saving lives and have done so many times. Believe me I do have
compassion but not when I am on the receiveing end of remarks such as yours.
You meant nothing more but to degrade me with what you said. I am easy to get
along with until someone makes remarks like yours. I am not the only one that
thinks you meant to cut me by what you said on this forum. From what I have
read most agree with me about that. I suggest you look at Jerb's post, the one
dirrectly after your first one, he asked the same questions you did without trying
to make me look like an idiot. If you have a habit of making degrading posts
like the ones to me I am surprised mine is the worst one you have read. I
promise everyone on this forum, if ya'll could have seen the cover job you would
not have flown the plane. The rest of the build was fine, better than fine.
As I stated earlier, I bought the plane over the internet without personally
inspecting it. I will never do that again. It was 1200 miles from me and looked
fine in the photos. Bad mistake. I WILL NOT POST AGAIN CONCERNING JETPILOT.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
JetPilot
Stop it already, you are such a whiner.
Please , you started all this. Be a man and let it go.
do not archive
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 6:49 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
>
> firebug wrote:
>> I am over it.
>
> Firebug, you come into the list and on your third day here post the
> meanest, nastiest post I have ever seen here.... And all you can say is I
> am over it.. That just shows what kind of a small man you are.
>
> Nothing short of a very public, and sincere apology would even begin to
> correct this.
>
>
> firebug wrote:
>>
>> TO JETPILOT: There are always a few like you on every board talking when
>> you should shut up. You do not know what you are talking about. I would
>> hate to fly anything you have built. Yes there are areas under the fabric
>> where you put chafing tape. There are also areas on the surface you put
>> it, sometimes it is refered to as surface tape. Its function on the
>> surface is to keep the fabric from being rubbed through, chafed when it
>> is struck at a high point on the airframe. He had NONE of this, that is a
>> sign of a poorly built plane in my opinion. The high spots are going to
>> be hit period. You put surface or chafing tape on the high spots to
>> double the thickness of the fabric. LOOK at a factory built Cub if you
>> don't believe me. You DO NOT rap chafing tape all the way around the
>> frame of the rudder, horizontal stabilizer, elevator etc and THEN glue
>> the fabric to the chafing tape. The fabric is glued to the structure of
>> the rudder, elevator, horizintal stabilizer etc. He had cha!
> fi!
>> ng tape glued all the way around the perimeter of the tail feathers. Can
>> you understand that do I need to draw you a picture? He also did the same
>> thing to the rest of the airframe. What do you fly? I find it hard to
>> believe it is a jet.
>>
>
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6281#6281
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>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@wowway.com>
Jim said it best:
Y'all;
Don't y'all think it would be a good idea to drop this thread as it will
lead to a no good end. I feel this ole horse has been whipped enough.
Jim Hauck
Enough already!!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
wcm(at)tampabay.rr.com wrote:
>
> Stop it already, you are such a whiner.
>
>
When someone comes into the list and on their second day posts a nasty persontal
attack as firebug did, that is totally wrong and uncalled for.
The fact that you support this, and tell me to quietly take firebugs abuse, shows
me that something seriously wrong with your judgement and thinking. The fact
that you are now posting a personal attack tells me that you are in the same
class as firebug. Totally uncalled for on both of your parts.
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| Subject: | Starting new improved thread: Looking for a FireStar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
This is an effort to get away from the last attempt to find a Firestar which went
bad. I have had a response for a realy nice one in Maine but it is more than
I can afford now unless I can sale my Raider kit. It is also rather far away.
Let me know what you have or where one is at. Thanks in advance. Also, I do
know that Kolbs are great aircraft after all I know John H. He lives not far from
me. I have watched him fly many times. I also have attended Oshkosh and Sun
N Fun about 5 or 6 times each. I have watched the factory pilot buzz around
for countless hours. There were several in Wetumpka when I had my Challenger based
there.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
I am with you so I started a new and Improved thread trying to locate a FireStar.
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
Mike, you take it (the raging) like a soldier. I really appreciate reading
your stuff. But, I gotta tell ya: You do remind me a little bit like that
"Monk" character on TV. I'll bet you could eat off your garage floor. Course
I'd been know to eat off of anyone's floor, and way past the 5 second rule!
HA, HA! So does this mean were friends and you marcema me a shoulder
harness sleeve?
The good Ralph from Ohio
1990 KXP
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pierzina
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 6:59 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Shoulder straps too loose
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hi Guys,
One other thing.....Each of the shoulder straps took about 15
min to tie the loom..... it used 14 ft of elec wire( each loom ), and it
made aprox a 12" long loom...
It is VERY SIMPLE to do.....It's a simple knot that is repeated over and
over....
Gotta Fly...
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firebug wrote:
> I am with you so I started a new and Improved thread trying to locate a FireStar.
On your second day here on this forum you have posted the worst and nastyest personal
attacks I have ever seen on this forum... Yet you are to small a man
to apologize for your actions. Your actions speak much louder than your words....
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
I would like to see everyones favorite flying pictures from 2005. Taken from kolbs
or of kolbs. We have some great photographers on the list. How about posting
a few of your best from last year? If this works, here are a few of mine......
Roger in Oregon
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
You kids go to your rooms!!
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Subject: Kolb-List: Re: firebug, jetpilot
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
firebug wrote:
> I am with you so I started a new and Improved thread trying to locate a
FireStar.
On your second day here on this forum you have posted the worst and nastyest
personal attacks I have ever seen on this forum... Yet you are to small a
man to apologize for your actions. Your actions speak much louder than
your words....
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| Subject: | Great aviation movie |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
This is not strictly Kolb, but it's definitely about flying. The movie file is
a bit over 5mb so depending on your connection speed it may take a minute. Crank
up the sound and enjoy.
http://www.staliteaviation.com/gtuf/bin/sky_diamond.wmv
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hi,
The knots are so tight....When I started the first one....I broke the wire.
So if it was made and you tried to "slip it on yours"....I don't think it could
be done.....and if it was made "Bigger" it would look sloppy....
It's too late today, but I can take a few pictures, and show you the knot
it's an extremely simple knot.......ya know how you cross your shoe laces before
you make the bow........THAT'S THE KNOT....It's just reversed each time and
it incorperates what your tying it to....
Then "YOU" can knitt.....I mean Macreme too !
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
PS The floors clean....but NOT that clean
[quote!
HA, HA! So does this mean were friends and you marcema me a shoulder
harness sleeve?
The good Ralph from Ohio
1990 KXP
--[/quote]
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
That looks great, maybe I'll be joining you in the sky soon!
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| Subject: | Try Hang gliding it will help your flying skills |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
I went to Wallaby Ranch just outside Orlando Fl and got my hang gliding certification.
It is great plus after you are towed up you are powerless. This has seemed
to ease my concerns about engine outs. I have already had 2. I think that
flying under the wing with no power makes you realize just what can be done without
power. I do know that an ultralight will not perform as well as a hang
glider but it still helps when it gets real quiet after the engine stops. If nothing
else go up for a tandem flight with an instructor. I have also flown at
Lookout Mountain Georgia. Great scenery.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
Wow! That is one big kite. I lost count at about 80 chutes. Very impressive
show of precision teamwork.
Too bad those guys only get to fly for 15 mins at a time. :)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
Come on up, the air is fine! Can't beat the view from a kolb.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I dunno, Roger - I tried to post a reply with pic attached, but nothing
happened when I clicked on "submit." Or "preview" either, for alla that.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:28 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Pictures
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
>
> Come on up, the air is fine! Can't beat the view from a kolb.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "rlaird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
C'mon Larry... you can put a non-standard engine on a Kolb, you can figure this
out! [Wink]
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Robert Laird
MkIIIc/912ULS
Houston, TX
http://www.Texas-Flyer.com
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yah, but that non-standard engine hasn't flown yet, and so far neither has
this.
Interesting..........at least 2 people have received my post about
difficulties with the new format, but it didn't come thru to me.
Hmmmm............discrimination ! ! ! I'll try it again in a minute, then
phooey with it - bedtime. Manana is another day. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "rlaird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:57 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Pictures
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "rlaird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
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> C'mon Larry... you can put a non-standard engine on a Kolb, you can figure
> this out! [Wink]
>
> --------> Houston, TX
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| Subject: | Yearlings....oh well |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
Don't y'all think it would be a good idea to drop this thread
Jim Hauck
TO JETPILOT: There are always a few like you on every board talking
when you should shut up. You do not know what you are talking about.
I would hate to fly anything you have built.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug"
Thanks for your comment. Believe me the plane was not perfectly good.
Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot"
firebug wrote:
-----------------------------
I also have a skyraider kit for sale just needs to be covered has
100 hrs on the airframe and 503 DCDI with b box. I don't have the
time to finish it. GREAT kit plane.
Firebug,
-----------------------------
Your response was very nasty and uncalled for. You advertised an
uncovered kit in good shape for sale here. Im sure everyones natural
question was "why was the covering ripped off ".... Telling
someone to shut up for commenting and asking about it is way out of
line and unacceptable conduct here.
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What difference does it make if Firebug was advertising a Kolb or not
??? I could care less, he adviertised it here, so im more than happy
to talk about it in this forum.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug
Jetpilot: It not that you asked me why I took the fabric off that was
wrong. It was the way you seem to enjoy saying that I needlessly
ripped the covering off of a perfectly good airplane[it wasn't]. You
repeated that "It turns out that the plane was properly built and the
cover was torn off for nothing
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The way Firebug verbally assaulted me in a very nasty way for
questioning why he did that tells a lot about the kind of man he
is. Given Firebugs response to a legitimate question about an
airplane he is selling, I would never buy an airplane, or do any type
of business with him
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug"
I am over it.
firebug wrote:
> I am over it.
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Firebug, you come into the list and on your third day here post the
meanest, nastiest post I have ever seen here.... And all you can say
is I am over it.. That just shows what kind of a small man you are.
Nothing short of a very public, and sincere apology would even begin
to correct this
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JetPilot: I suggest you go back and read your posts and maybe you
will see why I was offended and deffended myself. When provoked I
will strike back quickly. I make my living saving lives and have done
so many times. Believe me I do have compassion but not when I am on
the receiveing end of remarks such as yours. You meant nothing more
but to degrade me with what you said. I am easy to get along with
until someone makes remarks like yours.
wcm(at)tampabay.rr.com wrote:
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> Stop it already, you are such a whiner.
When someone comes into the list and on their second day posts a
nasty persontal attack as firebug did, that is totally wrong and
uncalled for.
The fact that you support this, and tell me to quietly take firebugs
abuse, shows me that something seriously wrong with your judgement
and thinking. The fact that you are now posting a personal attack
tells me that you are in the same class as firebug. Totally uncalled
for on both of your parts.
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
"jetpilot',
Please give it a rest, no one cares! I agree with others on the list that
you repeatedly pointed out how the covering was taken off a 'perfectly
good' airplane in a taunting manner, not 'asking a question' as you so
lamely assert. You jumped to a wrong conclusion, now go get a beer and
relax.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
Please-
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:55 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: firebug, jetpilot
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
> On your second day here on this forum you have posted the worst and
> nastyest personal attacks I have ever seen on this forum... Yet you are
> to small a man to apologize for your actions. Your actions speak much
> louder than your words....
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
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