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1. 05:15 AM - Re: Flying Pictures (John Jung)
2. 05:22 AM - Re: Flying Pictures (John Jung)
3. 06:17 AM - firestar for firebug (Paul Petty)
4. 06:29 AM - Re: Shoulder straps too loose (pat ladd)
5. 06:50 AM - Re: Shoulder straps too loose (Michael Sharp)
6. 06:55 AM - Re: Try Hang gliding it will help your flying skills (David Key)
7. 07:04 AM - Re: firebug, jetpilot (JetPilot)
8. 07:10 AM - Re: Flying Pictures (pat ladd)
9. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
10. 07:52 AM - Re: Flying Pictures (Larry Bourne)
11. 07:52 AM - Vortex Generators (Chris Mallory)
12. 07:54 AM - Post-Covering Inspection (David Paule)
13. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: firebug, jetpilot (Larry Bourne)
14. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: firebug, jetpilot (russ kinne)
15. 08:16 AM - Re: firebug, jetpilot (JetPilot)
16. 08:18 AM - Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (David.Lehman)
17. 09:02 AM - Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (JetPilot)
18. 09:11 AM - Re: Vortex Generators (Richard Pike)
19. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: firebug, jetpilot (George E. Thompson)
20. 09:18 AM - Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) (firebug)
21. 10:06 AM - Re: Vortex Generators (Jack B. Hart)
22. 10:26 AM - Re: firebug, jetpilot (JetPilot)
23. 10:45 AM - Re: Re: Flying Pictures (flht99reh)
24. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: Flying Pictures (flht99reh)
25. 10:56 AM - Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (John Jung)
26. 11:04 AM - Re: Shoulder straps too loose (flht99reh)
27. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (HShack@AOL.COM)
28. 12:08 PM - Re: Flying Pictures (R. Hankins)
29. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) (flht99reh)
30. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (Ed Chmielewski)
31. 12:27 PM - Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) (JetPilot)
32. 12:36 PM - Re: Great aviation movie (ray anderson)
33. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: firebug, jetpilot (russ kinne)
34. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (Richard Pike)
35. 01:14 PM - The last "wolf" (Rex Rodebush)
36. 01:26 PM - Titan exhaust system (Paul Petty)
37. 01:39 PM - Re: The last "wolf" (Paul Petty)
38. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (Chris Mallory)
39. 02:03 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (Richard Pike)
40. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (possums)
41. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: firebug, jetpilot (Larry Cottrell)
42. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (possums)
43. 03:23 PM - Great response to request for Firestar (firebug)
44. 03:28 PM - Re: firebug, jetpilot (JetPilot)
45. 03:35 PM - Re: Great response to request for Firestar (David.Lehman)
46. 03:40 PM - Tape for VORTEX GENERATORS (Beauford)
47. 03:44 PM - Re: Flying Pictures (John Williamson)
48. 03:45 PM - Fly-by ( not Kolb ) (Mike Pierzina)
49. 03:53 PM - Re: Great response to request for Firestar (firebug)
50. 04:25 PM - Re: Flying Pictures (Larry Cottrell)
51. 04:26 PM - Re: Re: Flying Pictures (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
52. 04:41 PM - Re: Flying Pictures (Larry Cottrell)
53. 04:59 PM - Re: Flying Pictures (Mike Pierzina)
54. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Great response to request for Firestar (Jeremy Casey)
55. 05:11 PM - Re: Fly-by ( not Kolb ) (Jeremy Casey)
56. 05:33 PM - Re: Flying Pictures (R. Hankins)
57. 05:44 PM - Test (Larry Bourne)
58. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: firebug, jetpilot (russ kinne)
59. 05:57 PM - Re: Re: firebug, jetpilot (Larry Bourne)
60. 06:07 PM - Re: Flying Pictures (John Williamson)
61. 06:19 PM - Re: firebug, jetpilot (JetPilot)
62. 06:27 PM - Re: Flying Pictures (R. Hankins)
63. 06:34 PM - Kolb Posting (Jimmy)
64. 06:44 PM - Re: Flying Pictures (John Williamson)
65. 07:44 PM - Re: Flying Pictures (John Hauck)
66. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Flying Pictures (Larry Bourne)
67. 07:53 PM - When is the Kolb fly in at their plant in Kentucky? (firebug)
68. 08:09 PM - unhappy with forum (Robert Laird)
69. 08:22 PM - Re: unhappy with forum (Larry Bourne)
70. 08:35 PM - Re: unhappy with forum (Larry Bourne)
71. 08:40 PM - Re: unhappy with forum (Matt Dralle)
72. 08:44 PM - Re: Re: First flight (DAquaNut@aol.com)
73. 08:45 PM - Re: unhappy with forum (Matt Dralle)
74. 08:51 PM - Re: Re: First flight (Robert Laird)
75. 09:07 PM - Re: Re: First flight (Larry Bourne)
76. 09:18 PM - Re: Flying Pictures (Larry Cottrell)
77. 09:18 PM - Re: unhappy with forum (possums)
78. 09:24 PM - Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (John Jung)
79. 09:29 PM - Re: unhappy with forum (Larry Bourne)
80. 09:30 PM - Re: Re: First flight (Larry Bourne)
81. 10:17 PM - Re: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS (possums)
82. 10:21 PM - Re: Re: First flight (Ed Chmielewski)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Group,
Since BigLar is having trouble posting pictures, I will post my favorite that he
took. It is of my Firestar at Monument Valley in 2004.
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John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Group,
Here is my favorite of the in-flight pictures that I took in 2005. Monument Valley,
of course.
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John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | firestar for firebug |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@g-gate.net>
Firebug,
I tried to read all the post about you and if you are looking for a firestar John
Cooley has a real nice one I think he is getting ready to sell. Contact me
if you want his number.
ps. He lives in Lucedale MS.
601-480-9979
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
I'll fly my 1990 Kolb Firestar KXP with 503 DIDC out to whoop your old
hide,>>
Hi,
better fit the big tanks. Refuel Labrador, Greenland, Iceland, Scotland,
South of England. By the time you get here, with luck and a following wind I
will have my Xtra in the air. I could fit a Lewis MG over the engine or a
couple of Vickers just below the doors. Meet you at 3000 ft over Bath at
dawn.
My old hide is 76 years old now and I may not be as good in a roughhouse as
I was 50 years ago but we could swap spelling at 50 paces. Macram?? You
colonial you! Macrame ( with one of those cute French accent things over
the `e`). What have you done to my language?
Re knitting. Reminds me of a joke on a lavatory wall on which was written
`My mother made me a homosexual`. Underneath in a different handwriting
someone had added `If I give her the wool, will she make me one?`
Get back on topic!
Cheers
Pat
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Michael Sharp <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
Like Tobey Keith Says:
"I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was!"
Do not archive
pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd"
I'll fly my 1990 Kolb Firestar KXP with 503 DIDC out to whoop your old
hide,>>
Hi,
better fit the big tanks. Refuel Labrador, Greenland, Iceland, Scotland,
South of England. By the time you get here, with luck and a following wind I
will have my Xtra in the air. I could fit a Lewis MG over the engine or a
couple of Vickers just below the doors. Meet you at 3000 ft over Bath at
dawn.
My old hide is 76 years old now and I may not be as good in a roughhouse as
I was 50 years ago but we could swap spelling at 50 paces. Macram?? You
colonial you! Macrame ( with one of those cute French accent things over
the `e`). What have you done to my language?
Re knitting. Reminds me of a joke on a lavatory wall on which was written
`My mother made me a homosexual`. Underneath in a different handwriting
someone had added `If I give her the wool, will she make me one?`
Get back on topic!
Cheers
Pat
do not archive
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| Subject: | Try Hang gliding it will help your flying skills |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Wallaby Ranch (www.WallabyRanch.com) is the best hang gliding site and they
are the safest too. Malcom runs the place perfectly and his support staff is
great. It will take you a lot longer to learn how to hang glide than to fly
an ultralight. You cant change your glide slope on final; you have no flaps,
you can't slip it, and you wont be able to power out of it. If it feels like
they are holding you back they are being safe. You have one chance on the
landing and they'll make sure you can do it. There are no instruments, you
don't need them, a vario would help you figure out thermals.
Do Not Archive
David Key
Hang III
Wallaby, Lookout, Kitty Hawk, Sageback.
From: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Try Hang gliding it will help your flying skills
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
>
>I went to Wallaby Ranch just outside Orlando Fl and got my hang gliding
>certification. It is great plus after you are towed up you are powerless.
>This has seemed to ease my concerns about engine outs. I have already had
>2. I think that flying under the wing with no power makes you realize just
>what can be done without power. I do know that an ultralight will not
>perform as well as a hang glider but it still helps when it gets real quiet
>after the engine stops. If nothing else go up for a tandem flight with an
>instructor. I have also flown at Lookout Mountain Georgia. Great scenery.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6342#6342
>
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
edchmiel(at)mindspring.co wrote:
> "jetpilot',
>
> Please give it a rest, no one cares! I agree with others on the list that
> you repeatedly pointed out how the covering was taken off a 'perfectly
> good' airplane in a taunting manner, not 'asking a question' as you so
> lamely assert. You jumped to a wrong conclusion, now go get a beer and
> relax.
>
> Ed
>
I use this list, which is supposed to be a nice place to discuss Kolbs, where personal
attacks are against the rules. I do care if someone posts a personal
atack against myself on his second day on the list, as you would also had that
attack been directed against you. You seem very quick to say my questions were
out of line, while supporting a blatent personal attack by firebug. That is
about as lame and hipocritical as it gets...
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NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
a few of your best from last year? >>
Hi Roger,
beautiful pics. What camera are you using? Digital or film?
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
To Matt Dralle:
Matt,
Maybe it would be good to incorporate some sort of "squelch" button on
here so we could just automatically delete messages from people who are
using the list to bicker at one another. I for one, am tired of this.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 4:49 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
>
> firebug wrote:
>> I am over it.
>
> Firebug, you come into the list and on your third day here post the
> meanest, nastiest post I have ever seen here.... And all you can say is I
> am over it.. That just shows what kind of a small man you are.
>
> Nothing short of a very public, and sincere apology would even begin to
> correct this.
>
>
> firebug wrote:
>>
>> TO JETPILOT: There are always a few like you on every board talking when
>> you should shut up. You do not know what you are talking about. I would
>> hate to fly anything you have built. Yes there are areas under the fabric
>> where you put chafing tape. There are also areas on the surface you put
>> it, sometimes it is refered to as surface tape. Its function on the
>> surface is to keep the fabric from being rubbed through, chafed when it
>> is struck at a high point on the airframe. He had NONE of this, that is a
>> sign of a poorly built plane in my opinion. The high spots are going to
>> be hit period. You put surface or chafing tape on the high spots to
>> double the thickness of the fabric. LOOK at a factory built Cub if you
>> don't believe me. You DO NOT rap chafing tape all the way around the
>> frame of the rudder, horizontal stabilizer, elevator etc and THEN glue
>> the fabric to the chafing tape. The fabric is glued to the structure of
>> the rudder, elevator, horizintal stabilizer etc. He had cha!
> fi!
>> ng tape glued all the way around the perimeter of the tail feathers. Can
>> you understand that do I need to draw you a picture? He also did the same
>> thing to the rest of the airframe. What do you fly? I find it hard to
>> believe it is a jet.
>>
>
>
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> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6281#6281
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Film ?? Whazzat ?? :-) Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying Pictures
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> a few of your best from last year? >>
>
> Hi Roger,
> beautiful pics. What camera are you using? Digital or film?
>
> Pat
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Vortex Generators |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
How many of you that installed VG's on your planes also added them to the
under side of the horizontal stabilizer?
What are the advantages / disadvantages of adding them to the HS.
I ordered some from Landshorter yesterday but for the wing only, now I'm
wondering if the "wing only" is adequate.
Chris Mallory
do not archive
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| Subject: | Post-Covering Inspection |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
There are techniques for inspecting the inside of an airplane after it's
been covered. You can install reinforcement rings, which permit later
cutting open the fabric inside the rings for the inspection. Then install
covers.
Refer to the Poly-Fiber book, page 41, for details.
Dave Paule
Boulder, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I'm gonna hafta add my name to the "lame and hypocritical" list, then.
Firebug has indicated - publicly - that he's over it, and ready to go on
with life. Why don't you do the same ?? I'm equally tired of listening to
it. If you've got a bitch with someone, discuss it with them PRIVATELY -
off List. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:04 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: firebug, jetpilot
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
>
> edchmiel(at)mindspring.co wrote:
>> "jetpilot',
>>
>> Please give it a rest, no one cares! I agree with others on the list
>> that
>> you repeatedly pointed out how the covering was taken off a 'perfectly
>> good' airplane in a taunting manner, not 'asking a question' as you so
>> lamely assert. You jumped to a wrong conclusion, now go get a beer and
>> relax.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
>
> I use this list, which is supposed to be a nice place to discuss Kolbs,
> where personal attacks are against the rules. I do care if someone posts
> a personal atack against myself on his second day on the list, as you
> would also had that attack been directed against you. You seem very quick
> to say my questions were out of line, while supporting a blatent personal
> attack by firebug. That is about as lame and hipocritical as it gets...
>
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
For Pete's sake, jetpilot -- just SHUT UP!
On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:04 AM, JetPilot wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
>
> edchmiel(at)mindspring.co wrote:
>> "jetpilot',
>>
>> Please give it a rest, no one cares! I agree with others on the
>> list that
>> you repeatedly pointed out how the covering was taken off a
>> 'perfectly
>> good' airplane in a taunting manner, not 'asking a question' as
>> you so
>> lamely assert. You jumped to a wrong conclusion, now go get a
>> beer and
>> relax.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
>
> I use this list, which is supposed to be a nice place to discuss
> Kolbs, where personal attacks are against the rules. I do care if
> someone posts a personal atack against myself on his second day on
> the list, as you would also had that attack been directed against
> you. You seem very quick to say my questions were out of line,
> while supporting a blatent personal attack by firebug. That is
> about as lame and hipocritical as it gets...
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
> have !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6421#6421
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Im starting to learn the rules here, slowly, but im getting it. We can attack
and bash someone publically in the forum and then just say Im over it, and that
makes everything ok. I can live with that, and I will keep my post in the spirit
of what you guys are advocating.
Those of you that are supporting public attacks in this fourm, and are standing
up in support of it, you are idiots. For those of you that are just "tired of
hearing about it" you are spineless fools without the courage to stand up for
what is right.
Im tired of hearing morons telling me just to "shut up" and take it, while supporting
the worst personal attack I have ever seen here. You are worthless hipocritical
loudmouths.
Now SHUT UP and dont complain, because Im am tired of hearing it....
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NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
wcm(at)tampabay.rr.com wrote:
> How many of you that installed VG's on your planes also added them to the
> under side of the horizontal stabilizer?
> What are the advantages / disadvantages of adding them to the HS.
> I ordered some from Landshorter yesterday but for the wing only, now I'm
> wondering if the "wing only" is adequate.
> Chris Mallory
> do not archive
Chris, there was some discussion about this earlier... There seems to be some
concern that the horiz. stab. VGs might make the elevators too effective... I
have them on my Firestar tail, but I have nothing to compare to...
DVD
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Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the spirit
of man is beyond description.
Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
They may not be needed on the horizontal stab. If the wing is stalling before
the elevator, there is really nothing to be gained by putting VG's on the elevator.
There is a drag penalty associated with VG's, its not a lot, but I would
not put VG's on that dont need to be there.
Michael A. Bigelow
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NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
At the Kolb Fly-In shortly before his terrible accident, Norm flew my
MKIII with VG's for a while, solo, stalled it, wore it out, which is
what I wanted, and his postflight analysis was a lot like this:
It feels much lighter, more like a Firefly than a MKIII. The stall is
notably slower, and very acceptable, but it feels almost like it might
be approaching a "deep stall" condition when stalled power off and full
flaps. However he was unable to get it into a stall condition which did
not immediately recover when stick back pressure was relaxed. He told me
it was one of the best handling MKIII's he had flown. When queried about
adding VG's to the underside of the horizontal stab, and/or gap sealing
the horizontal stab to the elevators, he was very hesitant. He was
concerned that it might be possible to force the airplane into a deep
stall with possible adverse recovery techniques. He also said that
perhaps that was a groundless concern, because getting a MKIII to fly
that in that slow of a speed regime was pretty much an unknown, and it
might stall and recover just fine. His suggestion was that since it was
already stalling slower and flying better than it had any right to, just
leave it alone and don't screw it up by trying anything else, just fly
the approach a bit faster when I had a passenger.
So that's what I did. The only time I have felt the need for VG's on the
underside of the horizontal tail is when flying an approach with a
passenger at 45 mph (indicated) and full flaps. At that speed, the tail
does not have enough control authority to raise the nose for flare,
although it is still 13 mph above the (indicated) 28 mph stall speed at
gross weight, which is probably around 33 mph TAS. So when I have a
passenger, approaches are at 55 indicated, or partial flaps.
However, others on the list have added VG's to the underside of the
horizontal stab and like them quite well. So make sure your parachute is
good to go, gets lots of altitude, and experiment. You might be able to
gild the lily. But remember: when in ground effect on short final, your
results may vary.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Chris Mallory wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>How many of you that installed VG's on your planes also added them to the
>under side of the horizontal stabilizer?
>
>What are the advantages / disadvantages of adding them to the HS.
>
>I ordered some from Landshorter yesterday but for the wing only, now I'm
>wondering if the "wing only" is adequate.
>
>Chris Mallory
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
Please make all future messages off list. Can't you get it through your
head, that the list is tired of listening to your juvenile rantings.
Az. Bald Eagle
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:15 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: firebug, jetpilot
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
> Im starting to learn the rules here, slowly, but im getting it. We can
> attack and bash someone publically in the forum and then just say Im over
> it, and that makes everything ok. I can live with that, and I will keep
> my post in the spirit of what you guys are advocating.
>
> Those of you that are supporting public attacks in this fourm, and are
> standing up in support of it, you are idiots. For those of you that are
> just "tired of hearing about it" you are spineless fools without the
> courage to stand up for what is right.
>
> Im tired of hearing morons telling me just to "shut up" and take it, while
> supporting the worst personal attack I have ever seen here. You are
> worthless hipocritical loudmouths.
>
> Now SHUT UP and dont complain, because Im am tired of hearing it....
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6449#6449
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
I totally agree!
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
At 10:52 AM 1/24/06 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>How many of you that installed VG's on your planes also added them to the
>under side of the horizontal stabilizer?
>
>What are the advantages / disadvantages of adding them to the HS.
>
>I ordered some from Landshorter yesterday but for the wing only, now I'm
>wondering if the "wing only" is adequate.
>
>Chris Mallory
>
> do not archive
>
Chris,
I mounted VG's on the FireFly wings. Then I added VG's to the horizontal
stabilizers to get a little more bite when using the flaperons. Previously,
I had discovered that I could not flare the FireFly with full flaperons.
Also, I noticed after adding wing VG's, that the wing wanted to fly off in
the three point stance before there was any feel in the stick. Adding VG's
to the horizontal stabilizer helped.
I have not stalled the FireFly at altitude in it's current configuration.
It is on my short list of things to do.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
eagle1(at)commspeed.net wrote:
> Please make all future messages off list. Can't you get it through your
> head, that the list is tired of listening to your juvenile rantings.
> Az. Bald Eagle
>
> ---
I have been as careful as possible to keep my posts civil, and within the spirit
of this forum. Its pretty hipocritical that you would ignore something like
someone saying "just SHUT UP" while complaining about my posts. Pretty sad that
there is a small and vocal group here that supports personal attacks, "shut
up" and the like. Its not the type of behavior that I support or join in.
And No, I will NEVER let a small, objectional, uncivil, and vocal group of people
stop me from posting.
--------
NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
I glad you have good directional perception! Ha, HA!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jung
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Pictures
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Group,
Since BigLar is having trouble posting pictures, I will post my favorite
that he took. It is of my Firestar at Monument Valley in 2004.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
Beautiful and "on-the-ball". And looks like you were blessed that day, as
that missile went over to your right by quite a distance. HA, HA!
The good Ralph from Ohio
Kolb KXP 1990
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jung
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Pictures
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Group,
Here is my favorite of the in-flight pictures that I took in 2005. Monument
Valley, of course.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Group,
I have my set of LandShorter VG's, and now I have to put them on. I went to Home
Depot, Lowes, Walmart and a harware storeto get the 3M tape, and cannot find
it.
So, I thought that I would skip the tape and put them on permanently. But I don't
know how much Loctite 401 is needed.
I also don't have any formica laying around to make a template.
Any tips on installing the LandShorters will be appreciated. Also, is 11 inches
back from the leading edge the best position on a Kolb?
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Shoulder straps too loose |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
"Oh, the message was "Shoulder Straps to tight". I thought it said "Shorts
were too tight". The col. I was referring to is none other than John Hauck.
Now your being in your mid seventies does give you more wisdom than me in my
early sixties, so I better back off now! Aah! Do you guys do the
"no-dudt-abuut-it" or is that just the Canadians. I'll tell ya: you and
Possum would make a great team of story tellers writing for John Houck's
pictures and memoirs. I'd even buy a copy. Too much brother, too much!
And "get back on topic"! Man, I was saving this site from a blood bath. A
tad of humor was most assuredly what was needed here; I don't want to loose
anyone that posts here.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pat ladd
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Shoulder straps too loose
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
I'll fly my 1990 Kolb Firestar KXP with 503 DIDC out to whoop your old
hide,>>
Hi,
better fit the big tanks. Refuel Labrador, Greenland, Iceland, Scotland,
South of England. By the time you get here, with luck and a following wind I
will have my Xtra in the air. I could fit a Lewis MG over the engine or a
couple of Vickers just below the doors. Meet you at 3000 ft over Bath at
dawn.
My old hide is 76 years old now and I may not be as good in a roughhouse as
I was 50 years ago but we could swap spelling at 50 paces. Macram?? You
colonial you! Macrame ( with one of those cute French accent things over
the `e`). What have you done to my language?
Re knitting. Reminds me of a joke on a lavatory wall on which was written
`My mother made me a homosexual`. Underneath in a different handwriting
someone had added `If I give her the wool, will she make me one?`
Get back on topic!
Cheers
Pat
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 1/24/2006 1:57:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jrjungjr@yahoo.com writes:
Any tips on installing the LandShorters will be appreciated. Also, is 11
inches back from the leading edge the best position on a Kolb?
My VG's seem to work best on the FS II with the rear of them at 11" back. Do
not measure following the curve of the wing but do use a square & measure
straight back.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> a few of your best from last year? >>
>
> Hi Roger,
> beautiful pics. What camera are you using? Digital or film?
>
> Pat
> --
Thanks Pat. My camera is a Panasonic FZ-5. I am very pleased with it so far.
It is a 5 megapixel with 12x optical zoom and an image stabilizer. I can zoom
in on stuff waaay down there and the pictures come out crisp even if the plane
and camera are bouncing all over the place. Puchased it in September, so still
learning the finer points, but with digital I can take lots and lots of shots
and throw the bad ones out. By the law of averages I'm bound to get a great
shot now and then.
Do not archive,
Roger in Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
Good point, "squelch button: Now you can relate to all the poor individuals
that like a movie but not the dirty part, or maybe not the movie, just the
dirty part. I wish that were also true. I enjoy the meat of the topics here.
They is a vast amount of knowledge posted here that does, has, and will save
a lot of individuals a great amount of time, repair and injury if they heed
that wealth. I hate bickering. I get enough of it in the news paper. I also
come here to get nourished by the wisdom of others. The Kolb site is one of
the most "responded to" on the Matronics overall web site. That says a great
deal about its people; followers and leaders. I for a fact have seen
controversy between a lot of strong willed individuals on this site. Haven't
you noticed, we are a bold brave and intelligent bunch of people with very
strong views, right or wrong. I just wish we could share them with a bit
more compassion. I see the statements, and see the attackers, and I see the
hearts of both. I guess that's what make us "pilots" and not pile-its!
Everyone take a deep breath and scream. Now get your butts out and fly!
Sunday here in mid Ohio was around 50 and calm, and I flew. Awesome!
The good Ralph from Ohio
1990 Kolb KXP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave & Eve
Pelletier
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
<pelletier@cableone.net>
To Matt Dralle:
Matt,
Maybe it would be good to incorporate some sort of "squelch" button on
here so we could just automatically delete messages from people who are
using the list to bicker at one another. I for one, am tired of this.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Hi John,
Have you tried a hobby shop that has RC planes? They have
double-sided tape in various thicknesses. Also try the big office supply
stores.
You could probably make a template out of poster board. The
placement isn't that critical, close is good.
As far as the worries about 'deep stall' with VG's on the tail
bottom, the conventional configuration of the Kolbs does not lend itself to
that. Aft CG would be a much bigger worry in any stall recovery scenario.
The conventionally-configured GA aircraft (non T-tail) aircraft I've flown
with VG's on the bottom of the tail flew off nicely at takeoff, rock-solid
at slow speeds, but when they quit flying it was a bit more abrupt than
without VG's. Still had good control, but you better be 6" off the ground
when it quit.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:56 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>
> Group,
>
> I have my set of LandShorter VG's, and now I have to put them on. I went
> to Home Depot, Lowes, Walmart and a harware storeto get the 3M tape, and
> cannot find it.
>
> So, I thought that I would skip the tape and put them on permanently. But
> I don't know how much Loctite 401 is needed.
>
> I also don't have any formica laying around to make a template.
>
> Any tips on installing the LandShorters will be appreciated. Also, is 11
> inches back from the leading edge the best position on a Kolb?
>
> --------
> John Jung
> Firestar II N6163J
> Surprise, AZ
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6495#6495
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
flht99reh(at)netzero.net wrote:
> Now get your butts out and fly!
> Sunday here in mid Ohio was around 50 and calm, and I flew. Awesome!
>
>
Now there is a wise man. A little flying and all this nastyness would be forgotten
:)
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| Subject: | Re: Great aviation movie |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
To all,
I've got a great, short movie that was forwarded to me that shows
why one should never let your hand get too far from your BRS. This save was not
with a BRS but you don't want to miss it. The problem is , I don't know how
to get it to you, even on the new format. I'd like to forward it on to someone
on the list who could figure out how to put it on the new format. You will enjoy
it, I guarantee.
Ray .... TN
UltraStar
rsanoa@yahoo.com
Do Not Archive
kfackler <kfackler@ameritech.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler"
This is not strictly Kolb, but it's definitely about flying. The movie file is
a bit over 5mb so depending on your connection speed it may take a minute. Crank
up the sound and enjoy.
http://www.staliteaviation.com/gtuf/bin/sky_diamond.wmv
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
do not archive
---------------------------------
Photo Books. You design it and well bind it!
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Right on, larry!
On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Larry Bourne wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> I'm gonna hafta add my name to the "lame and hypocritical" list, then.
> Firebug has indicated - publicly - that he's over it, and ready to
> go on
> with life. Why don't you do the same ?? I'm equally tired of
> listening to
> it. If you've got a bitch with someone, discuss it with them
> PRIVATELY -
> off List. Lar. Do not
> Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:04 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: firebug, jetpilot
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>>
>>
>> edchmiel(at)mindspring.co wrote:
>>> "jetpilot',
>>>
>>> Please give it a rest, no one cares! I agree with others on the
>>> list
>>> that
>>> you repeatedly pointed out how the covering was taken off a
>>> 'perfectly
>>> good' airplane in a taunting manner, not 'asking a question' as
>>> you so
>>> lamely assert. You jumped to a wrong conclusion, now go get a
>>> beer and
>>> relax.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>>
>> I use this list, which is supposed to be a nice place to discuss
>> Kolbs,
>> where personal attacks are against the rules. I do care if
>> someone posts
>> a personal atack against myself on his second day on the list, as you
>> would also had that attack been directed against you. You seem
>> very quick
>> to say my questions were out of line, while supporting a blatent
>> personal
>> attack by firebug. That is about as lame and hipocritical as it
>> gets...
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Here are some pictures of the VG's on the wing of our FSII, and notes on
placement.
Don't know anything about Loctite 401, we used Shoe Goop from Walmart.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
John Jung wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>
>Group,
>
>I have my set of LandShorter VG's, and now I have to put them on. I went to Home
Depot, Lowes, Walmart and a harware storeto get the 3M tape, and cannot find
it.
>
>So, I thought that I would skip the tape and put them on permanently. But I don't
know how much Loctite 401 is needed.
>
>I also don't have any formica laying around to make a template.
>
>Any tips on installing the LandShorters will be appreciated. Also, is 11 inches
back from the leading edge the best position on a Kolb?
>
>--------
>John Jung
>Firestar II N6163J
>Surprise, AZ
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6495#6495
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush@tema.net>
Way back in the first year of our marriage we got a small mutt we called
Sam.
Sam would make a loud "WOLF" when he heard any outside noise.
We'd say "shutup Sam"...."WOLF"
"shutup Sam"....."wolf"
"shutup Sam"....."w o l f"
Sam would keep going until you could barely hear him; but he had to have
the last "wolf".
"The last wolf" was a joke for us at the time. For some reason the list
has recently reminded me of Sam.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Titan exhaust system |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@g-gate.net>
Kolbers,
If anyone is interested I have 2 Titan 912 exhaust systems for sale. One I just
placed on e-bay item number 4607525912 it has the thicker flanges supplied by
rotax and the standard silencer. The other will be for sale after I replace the
mounting flanges with the "Rotax" units. It has a super trap silencer. Will
post photos after tonight.
thanks
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
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| Subject: | Re: The last "wolf" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@g-gate.net>
Wolf! :D
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
No picture link
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> Here are some pictures of the VG's on the wing of our FSII, and notes on
> placement.
> Don't know anything about Loctite 401, we used Shoe Goop from Walmart.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> John Jung wrote:
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Group,
>>
>>I have my set of LandShorter VG's, and now I have to put them on. I went
>>to Home Depot, Lowes, Walmart and a harware storeto get the 3M tape, and
>>cannot find it.
>>
>>So, I thought that I would skip the tape and put them on permanently. But
>>I don't know how much Loctite 401 is needed.
>>
>>I also don't have any formica laying around to make a template.
>>
>>Any tips on installing the LandShorters will be appreciated. Also, is 11
>>inches back from the leading edge the best position on a Kolb?
>>
>>--------
>>John Jung
>>Firestar II N6163J
>>Surprise, AZ
>>
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>>Read this topic online here:
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>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6495#6495
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Chris Mallory wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>No picture link
>
>
Oh, yeah - Duh...
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
Scroll down to Firestar II Tweaks and Hints, click on Vortex Generators
>do not archive
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:46 PM
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>>
>>Here are some pictures of the VG's on the wing of our FSII, and notes on
>>placement.
>>Don't know anything about Loctite 401, we used Shoe Goop from Walmart.
>>
>>Richard Pike
>>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>>
>>
>>John Jung wrote:
>>
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>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>Group,
>>>
>>>I have my set of LandShorter VG's, and now I have to put them on. I went
>>>to Home Depot, Lowes, Walmart and a harware storeto get the 3M tape, and
>>>cannot find it.
>>>
>>>So, I thought that I would skip the tape and put them on permanently. But
>>>I don't know how much Loctite 401 is needed.
>>>
>>>I also don't have any formica laying around to make a template.
>>>
>>>Any tips on installing the LandShorters will be appreciated. Also, is 11
>>>inches back from the leading edge the best position on a Kolb?
>>>
>>>--------
>>>John Jung
>>>Firestar II N6163J
>>>Surprise, AZ
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6495#6495
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 01:56 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote:
I went to an "auto paint store" and got the "good" double stick tape.
Automotive Acrylic Plus Attachment Tape
Stick it on the bottoms of the VGs, then cut around the edges with an
exacto knife.
When you putting them on your wings, you just pull the paper off the
botton and stick them down.
Haven lost one yet.
The instructions say put them on 10 to 12% of the wing cord (including the
ailerons)
back from the leading edge. Too far forward and they will slow down the cruise
speed, too far back and they become ineffective.
I put mine about 11% or 6 1/2 inches back from the leading edge as measured
through the middle of the cord of the wing - average cord.
But you better check with the instructions.
The instructions say VG's should be placed about 1% of the wingspan apart.
I have a 27' 9" wing span.
So I put two in each valley and used the 2.75 inch spacing guide
to "kind of space them out" between each rib and false rib etc.
Just a guess, but it seemed to work out OK.
I made a guide out of some thicker material with the little "rectangles" cut
out where the VG's go, so I could just stick them in the holes
and move the guide to the next valley.
I just put two on at a time and moved the guide to the next set of ribs.
I used the T-square method like Ben Ransom for the set back
<http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Vortex%20Generators.html>http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Vortex%20Generators.html
It took more time to put the tape on each VG than it did
to put the VGs on the plane.
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>
>Group,
>
>I have my set of LandShorter VG's, and now I have to put them on. I
>went to Home Depot, Lowes, Walmart and a harware storeto get the 3M
>tape, and cannot find it.
>
>So, I thought that I would skip the tape and put them on
>permanently. But I don't know how much Loctite 401 is needed.
>
>I also don't have any formica laying around to make a template.
>
>Any tips on installing the LandShorters will be appreciated. Also,
>is 11 inches back from the leading edge the best position on a Kolb?
>
>--------
>John Jung
>Firestar II N6163J
>Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>
> eagle1(at)commspeed.net wrote:
>> Please make all future messages off list. Can't you get it through your
>> head, that the list is tired of listening to your juvenile rantings.
>> Az. Bald Eagle
>>
>> ---
>
>
> I have been as careful as possible to keep my posts civil, and within the
> spirit of this forum. Its pretty hipocritical that you would ignore
> something like someone saying "just SHUT UP" while complaining about my
> posts. Pretty sad that there is a small and vocal group here that
> supports personal attacks, "shut up" and the like. Its not the type of
> behavior that I support or join in.
>
> And No, I will NEVER let a small, objectional, uncivil, and vocal group of
> people stop me from posting.
>
I guess the only solution is to go to the "Message Rules" and create a rule
that automatically sends your posts to the delete file. I hope that you
never have anything worth while to ever send, because I for one will never
be able to read it.
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
>The instructions say VG's should be placed about 1% of the wingspan apart.
>I have a 27' 9" wing span.
>So I put two in each valley and used the 2.75 inch spacing guide
I forgot to say that I've got an 8 rib wing - your's may be different.
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| Subject: | Great response to request for Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
Thanks for the help from the members of this forum. I have had several good planes
offered but most were 1000 or more miles away. I am looking at one or two
seriosly. I have got to get the Skyraider kit gone before I can buy one. I have
got a majority of the cash already but I invested a decent amount into the Raider.
I can't afford to have 2 planes on a Fire Fighter's salary. I'll say this,
I think I am going to like the Kolb not only for the flight characteristics
but also the association with the guys that already fly them. It is nice to
have talked to and communicated with those of you on this board. I truly appreciate
it. See ya'll at future flyins.
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote:
> For Pete's sake, jetpilot -- just SHUT UP!
>
> On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:04 AM, JetPilot wrote:
>
>
This is your SECOND post today on this topic, and you are telling me to "shut up"
? If you are so tired of this, why are you pushing this issue that never
really involved you.
Its very hipocritical on your part to be posting very nasty and uncivil posts at
the same time you are telling me to "just SHUT UP!"
You are way out of line.
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NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Great response to request for Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
firebug wrote:
> Thanks for the help from the members of this forum. I have had several good planes
offered but most were 1000 or more miles away. I am looking at one or two
seriosly. I have got to get the Skyraider kit gone before I can buy one. I have
got a majority of the cash already but I invested a decent amount into the
Raider. I can't afford to have 2 planes on a Fire Fighter's salary. I'll say
this, I think I am going to like the Kolb not only for the flight characteristics
but also the association with the guys that already fly them. It is nice to
have talked to and communicated with those of you on this board. I truly appreciate
it. See ya'll at future flyins.
Firebug...
I don't think you mentioned where you're located... It always seems like the best
deals are somewhere across the country...
www.barnstormers.com always has an assortment of Kolbs offered...
DVD
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Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the spirit
of man is beyond description.
Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
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| Subject: | Tape for VORTEX GENERATORS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
John:
The good stuff is 3M catalog # 4011... has red peel-off backing on it and is
gray in color.
Is rated by 3M to hold one pound for every four inches of tape... I stuck
one VG on the wall overnight as
a test and had a devil of a time getting it off... I have recently seen
the 4011 in the local Home Depot,
so some of them are still carrying it...
The white 3M tape is rated for less load.... never tried it.
Good luck...
Beauford
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:56 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>
> Group,
>
> I have my set of LandShorter VG's, and now I have to put them on. I went
to Home Depot, Lowes, Walmart and a harware storeto get the 3M tape, and
cannot find it.
> _-> >
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
Roger and All,
Most folks have seen by photos from years past, so how about one I just took this
afternoon.
--------
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
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| Subject: | Fly-by ( not Kolb ) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Guys,
My next project will be a Wittman "Tailwind" (W-10)
The address below has two Fly-by's.....One, down the runway , the second is right
overhead....
Their not long....enjoy
http://members.tripod.com/mr_bobtx/bobsflying/id4.html
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Great response to request for Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
The Heart of Dixie, Montgomery Alabama. There are 2 within a decent distance from
me and I am considereing them. I kinda want an enclosed Firestar so I am going
to try to locate one of those first. There is a nice one in MAINE . I don't
believe it could have gotten any further from me. I have been trying to figure
out how to get it if I am able to work something out with the owner. I will
not buy another plane site unseen.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <Lcottrel@kfalls.net>
John W,
I couldn't help but wonder how old you were when your profile picture was
taken? Or even if the picture is of you or someone else that you found at a remote
airport. :P I was also curious as the what state that picture was taken
in? [Rolling Eyes] My picture isn't from a Kolb but I think you will like it
anyway.
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <neilsenrmf@comcast.net>
John/All
My plane is back in Michigan again this winter so these flying photos help a
bunch. Now John you said you took them but your in the photo. That has to be
one real wide angle lens.
Do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:43 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Pictures
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
> <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
>
> Roger and All,
>
> Most folks have seen by photos from years past, so how about one I just
> took this afternoon.
>
> --------
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolbra, 912ULS
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6571#6571
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <Lcottrel@kfalls.net>
somehow or the other the picture wasn't uploaded. Will try again.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
My Second Flight in my Kolb Firestar II
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| Subject: | Re: Great response to request for Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Just so you know...turning an Firestar with the little windshield into a
"fully enclosed" one is a very small job. Certainly not worth an extra
1000+ mile drive assuming the 2 planes are otherwise equal...
Jeremy Casey
On the east side of Alabama the Beautiful...Phenix City, Al.
-----Original Message-----
From: firebug [mailto:gcc1964@mon-cre.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:53 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Great response to request for Firestar
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
The Heart of Dixie, Montgomery Alabama. There are 2 within a decent
distance from me and I am considereing them. I kinda want an enclosed
Firestar so I am going to try to locate one of those first. There is a
nice one in MAINE . I don't believe it could have gotten any further
from me. I have been trying to figure out how to get it if I am able to
work something out with the owner. I will not buy another plane site
unseen.
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| Subject: | Fly-by ( not Kolb ) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
They are crazy fast but designed for midgets I believe...I'm 5'10 but
kinda long torso, short legs, and with a headset on I would have had to
build a bubble into the skylight ;-) If your building yourself then
build to fit obviously...
Jeremy
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Pierzina [mailto:planecrazzzy@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:45 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fly-by ( not Kolb )
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina"
<planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Guys,
My next project will be a Wittman "Tailwind" (W-10)
The address below has two Fly-by's.....One, down the runway , the
second is right overhead....
Their not long....enjoy
http://members.tripod.com/mr_bobtx/bobsflying/id4.html
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
John Williamson wrote:
>
>
> Most folks have seen by photos from years past, so how about one I just took
this afternoon.
Great picture John. I didn't intend to be too restrictive. Here are couple of
mine from Sunday afternoon. I loved the SNJ-1 picture also.
Do not archive?
Roger in Oregon
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I sent 2 messages this morning before going to work, and neither of them are in
my mail tonight. Seems like this happened yesterday, too. Did anyone receive
them ?? Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Dear Jet-Jockey
I sent you only one post, and I have no idea why you got -- as you
say --TWO. I didn't send you TWO, and I'm sorry you got TWO.
I sent you one because I was, like I think everyone else, sick and
tired of your mouthing off at a chap who took the covering off his
own aircraft, for his own good reasons.
When you heard about this you made some, frankly, snotty remarks.
Then you continued on spouting forth ad nauseum. This was none of
your business! -- you didn't simply ask a question, but posted
insulting remarks. This is not what the Kolb-list is for.
BTW I'm not hypocritical, and that's the proper spelling. And I have
never posted "nasty and uncivil" posts, as you claim
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, this is the end of it. You seem to
have an attitude and I don't have the time to waste like this, nor
the inclination.
I won't answer any more posts from you.
Are you really an ATP? What's your license number?
On Jan 24, 2006, at 5:28 PM, JetPilot wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
>
> kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote:
>> For Pete's sake, jetpilot -- just SHUT UP!
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:04 AM, JetPilot wrote:
>>
>>
>
>
> This is your SECOND post today on this topic, and you are telling
> me to "shut up" ? If you are so tired of this, why are you
> pushing this issue that never really involved you.
>
> Its very hipocritical on your part to be posting very nasty and
> uncivil posts at the same time you are telling me to "just SHUT UP!"
>
> You are way out of line.
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
> have !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6565#6565
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Ya know, Larry, from the other Larry - that is a darned good idea.
Consider it done. :-) Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: firebug, jetpilot
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>
>>
>> eagle1(at)commspeed.net wrote:
>>> Please make all future messages off list. Can't you get it through your
>>> head, that the list is tired of listening to your juvenile rantings.
>>> Az. Bald Eagle
>>>
>>> ---
>>
>>
>> I have been as careful as possible to keep my posts civil, and within the
>> spirit of this forum. Its pretty hipocritical that you would ignore
>> something like someone saying "just SHUT UP" while complaining about my
>> posts. Pretty sad that there is a small and vocal group here that
>> supports personal attacks, "shut up" and the like. Its not the type of
>> behavior that I support or join in.
>>
>> And No, I will NEVER let a small, objectional, uncivil, and vocal group
>> of
>> people stop me from posting.
>>
>
>
> I guess the only solution is to go to the "Message Rules" and create a
> rule
> that automatically sends your posts to the delete file. I hope that you
> never have anything worth while to ever send, because I for one will never
> be able to read it.
>
> Larry, Oregon
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
Roger,
Great photos!
I will get to see that area again this May..... :D
Are you planning on being at Monument Valley and/or Alvord Desert?
--------
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote:
>
>
> And I have
> never posted "nasty and uncivil" posts, as you claim......
>
> For Pete's sake, jetpilot -- just SHUT UP!
>
>
You are a liar. That is a very nasty, uncivil, and uncalled for post.
kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote:
>
>
> TWO. I didn't send you TWO,
>
>
Yet another lie. I never said you sent me anything. You have posted a total of
4 posts on this subject now. You feel you have the right to post nasty and
uncivil posts, and then tell me to "shut up". Very lame and very hipocritical.
You have done nothing but try to make this go on as long as possible, I dont think
you are fooling many people.
--------
NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com>
John Williamson wrote:
> Roger,
>
> Are you planning on being at Monument Valley and/or Alvord Desert?
I am planning on the Alvord. I won't be able to do both. I'm looking forward
to more airplane bowling. Any idea which days you long distance Kolbs will be
there?
Do not archive
Roger in Oregon
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy" <jhankin@planters.net>
MATT!!!!!!!!!
Time to post your list procedures and equate.
Jimmy
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
Roger,
As of now, I'm planning on leaving MV on 22 May for Moab and leaving KCNY on the
24 May. I plan to overnight at KWMC with a mid-morning arrival at the Alvord
Desert on 25 May.
I plan on doing a lot more flying out of the Alvord this year :D
--------
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Gang:
Here's one of my favorite photos taken by Karen or Larry Cottrell, or it may have
been taken by Stink.
All these photos have got me itching to go.
Left to right: John Hauck, John Williamson, Gary Haley. Alvord Desert, Oregon,
May 2005.
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yup, that's one of the all time classics. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:43 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Pictures
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Hi Gang:
>
> Here's one of my favorite photos taken by Karen or Larry Cottrell, or it
> may have been taken by Stink.
>
> All these photos have got me itching to go.
>
> Left to right: John Hauck, John Williamson, Gary Haley. Alvord Desert,
> Oregon, May 2005.
>
> --------
> John Hauck
> MKIII/912ULS
> hauck's holler, alabama
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6646#6646
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p5260055_157.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | When is the Kolb fly in at their plant in Kentucky? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-cre.net>
Thanks
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| Subject: | unhappy with forum |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
Before you call me a Luddite, keep in mind that I've been on-line
since 1977 and I am described by all who know me as a computer geek --
not to mention it's my profession -- so, my complaints have nothing to
do with not knowing "how things work."
This forum has really screwed things up. Prior to it being put into
action, the Kolb list worked just as it has worked for years.
But with the forum....
1) Even though a message will have the same, identical subject line
as a previous message in the thread, my email client(s) will no longer
recognize them as being part of the same thread.... so, for example,
before the forum, if you sent 37 message about 1 subject, and 57
messages about another, I'd have only 2 lines... now I see 80 lines
or so, and that's not fun;
2) Many people have settings to copy the previous message into their
forum post, but many others don't. So, I often get a message from the
latter with a short reply and I don't know what they were referring to
since the previous message wasn't included in the post. So to
understand the post, I might have to dig through quite a few
messages... enough that I don't bother... which means I'm losing
information that might be important to me. And that sux.
Just these two "minor" problems has really made this list a LOT less
friendly, and I'm very frustrated with the change. Matt should never
have pushed the forum unless it first did no harm to the way the list
worked. Yes, it's nice we can post pictures*, etc., etc., etc., but
not all of us can or want to use the web-based forum.
Then, on top of all that, we get our first flame war in ages -- and,
intellectually, I know that has nothing to do with the list-cum-forum
issues, but it sure FEELS like it's related.
Color me unhappy.
-- Robert
* Posting pictures is EASY in all of the lists that I maintain. The
Kolb list was all the more frustrating because it COULD be done, it
was just disallowed. But, as a list master myself, I understand why
it was done that way, but I don't have to be happy about it. Color me
grumpy.
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| Subject: | Re: unhappy with forum |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Man, I'm glad mine isn't the only chain that gets jerked around
here.........grumpy. :-) Tell ya the truth, I'm not real nuts about the
new format, either, for different reasons.
I solved my receiving problems. A couple of days ago, I got a spam in my
email box, meaning that it came in on a "good guys" address, in this case my
own. Usually, they're from "abcbiglar....etc.", so I just Create a Rule and
spam them. This one was from my address pure and simple, I guess, cause my
address was in the "send to spam" folder. All straight now.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:08 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: unhappy with forum
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
>
> Before you call me a Luddite, keep in mind that I've been on-line
> since 1977 and I am described by all who know me as a computer geek --
> not to mention it's my profession -- so, my complaints have nothing to
> do with not knowing "how things work."
>
> This forum has really screwed things up. Prior to it being put into
> action, the Kolb list worked just as it has worked for years.
>
> But with the forum....
>
> 1) Even though a message will have the same, identical subject line
> as a previous message in the thread, my email client(s) will no longer
> recognize them as being part of the same thread.... so, for example,
> before the forum, if you sent 37 message about 1 subject, and 57
> messages about another, I'd have only 2 lines... now I see 80 lines
> or so, and that's not fun;
>
> 2) Many people have settings to copy the previous message into their
> forum post, but many others don't. So, I often get a message from the
> latter with a short reply and I don't know what they were referring to
> since the previous message wasn't included in the post. So to
> understand the post, I might have to dig through quite a few
> messages... enough that I don't bother... which means I'm losing
> information that might be important to me. And that sux.
>
> Just these two "minor" problems has really made this list a LOT less
> friendly, and I'm very frustrated with the change. Matt should never
> have pushed the forum unless it first did no harm to the way the list
> worked. Yes, it's nice we can post pictures*, etc., etc., etc., but
> not all of us can or want to use the web-based forum.
>
> Then, on top of all that, we get our first flame war in ages -- and,
> intellectually, I know that has nothing to do with the list-cum-forum
> issues, but it sure FEELS like it's related.
>
> Color me unhappy.
>
> -- Robert
>
> * Posting pictures is EASY in all of the lists that I maintain. The
> Kolb list was all the more frustrating because it COULD be done, it
> was just disallowed. But, as a list master myself, I understand why
> it was done that way, but I don't have to be happy about it. Color me
> grumpy.
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Whoops. I had a dialog going with Robert and automatically assumed I was
replying direct. Sorry, but it did save me an email.........I had planned
on a post to the List explaining the same thing. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: unhappy with forum
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Man, I'm glad mine isn't the only chain that gets jerked around
> here.........grumpy. :-) Tell ya the truth, I'm not real nuts about
> the
> new format, either, for different reasons.
>
> I solved my receiving problems. A couple of days ago, I got a spam in my
> email box, meaning that it came in on a "good guys" address, in this case
> my
> own. Usually, they're from "abcbiglar....etc.", so I just Create a Rule
> and
> spam them. This one was from my address pure and simple, I guess, cause
> my
> address was in the "send to spam" folder. All straight now.
> Lar.
>
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
At 08:08 PM 1/24/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>1) Even though a message will have the same, identical subject line
>as a previous message in the thread, my email client(s) will no longer
>recognize them as being part of the same thread.... so, for example,
>before the forum, if you sent 37 message about 1 subject, and 57
>messages about another, I'd have only 2 lines... now I see 80 lines
>or so, and that's not fun;
Well, this is odd behavior. Why isn't your email client seeing the messages as
the same; what exactly is the difference in the Subject lines? Are you sure
that your email client is using the Subject line to categorize the messages?
Perhaps it uses some other field? Are you sure its the Forum that causing this
problem? Quite unrelated to the Forum addition, I recently implemented a new
way of cleaning the headers from incoming posts to the email lists. Perhaps
this is what is causing your threading problem. You'll really have to give me
some details on how your email client threads for me to look into the problem.
>2) Many people have settings to copy the previous message into their
>forum post, but many others don't. So, I often get a message from the
>latter with a short reply and I don't know what they were referring to
>since the previous message wasn't included in the post. So to
>understand the post, I might have to dig through quite a few
>messages... enough that I don't bother... which means I'm losing
>information that might be important to me. And that sux.
This really isn't a separate problem. The fact that people don't recopy everyone's
previous post over and over and over again is a good behavior.
>Just these two "minor" problems has really made this list a LOT less
>friendly, and I'm very frustrated with the change. Matt should never
>have pushed the forum unless it first did no harm to the way the list
>worked. Yes, it's nice we can post pictures*, etc., etc., etc., but
>not all of us can or want to use the web-based forum.
Robert, I can understand your frustration, but really this is a localized problem
that likely has a simple solution. To slam the new Forums simply because of
this issue is unfair. There are a huge number of people that are extremely
enamored with the new interface and subscriptions have soared since adding the
new Forum interface. And membership is what makes a list successful.
I'm sure we can work your problem out. Please investigate how your client is threading
and we'll have a look. What client are you using, by the way?
>Then, on top of all that, we get our first flame war in ages -- and,
>intellectually, I know that has nothing to do with the list-cum-forum
>issues, but it sure FEELS like it's related.
Yes, I'm pretty disappointed with the most recent flame war on the List. Please
do not use the List for this purpose. If you want to flame someone, send it
directly to the person. Do not include the List in this type of dialog. Everyone
has been warned.
>* Posting pictures is EASY in all of the lists that I maintain. The
>Kolb list was all the more frustrating because it COULD be done, it
>was just disallowed. But, as a list master myself, I understand why
>it was done that way, but I don't have to be happy about it. Color me
>grumpy.
I can and will enable picture posting on the List whenever we have a majority of
people that would like that feature enabled. My recollection was that people
of the Kolb List opted to not have this feature enabled. Ether way is fine
by me; its up to the List.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
>Color me unhappy.
>
> -- Robert
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
Group,
Well I finally did it! After several years of building plane and
enclosed trailer I committed aviation in Firefly # O62. After 1 1/4 hours of
flying and 4 landings my gear legs are perfectly straight. I was a little afraid,
after all the talk of bent legs. I even managed to keep her off of her
nose. I can see how it wouldn't take a lot to put Her over , though. She behaved
better than I could hope for, although she will need some trim on the rudder
,as I have to put some pressure on the left pedal. to keep Her straight
Seems She stalls about 35 or so tops out at about 75 and climbs to a thousand
feet by the time I make my base turn. Seems I burned about 3 gal in an hour and
15 min. of flying. Started getting nippy as it was nearing sunset. I just
had a light jacket, unenclosed at 1500 ft .
Many Thanks to: Jack Hart, Beauford T, Don G., Duane DA Plane,
Jerb, John W. and any others that I may have forgotten, for the advice,
suggestions ,warnings, ideas and words of encouragement.
Ed Diebel ( flying Firefly #O62 and not still
building.)
Houston, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: unhappy with forum |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
At 08:22 PM 1/24/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>Man, I'm glad mine isn't the only chain that gets jerked around
>here.........grumpy. :-) Tell ya the truth, I'm not real nuts about the
>new format, either, for different reasons.
>
>I solved my receiving problems. A couple of days ago, I got a spam in my
>email box, meaning that it came in on a "good guys" address, in this case my
>own. Usually, they're from "abcbiglar....etc.", so I just Create a Rule and
>spam them. This one was from my address pure and simple, I guess, cause my
>address was in the "send to spam" folder. All straight now.
>Lar.
Lar,
What do you mean here? Why exactly aren't you happy with the new format? Nothing
has changed with respect to the traditional email distribution (except perhaps
for the threading problem described by Robert.) The new Forum format is
just another way to view the messages. Email distribution works the same way
it always did.
Just not sure where you're coming from here...?
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Building Kolb Mk III
>N78LB Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:08 PM
>Subject: Kolb-List: unhappy with forum
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
>>
>> Before you call me a Luddite, keep in mind that I've been on-line
>> since 1977 and I am described by all who know me as a computer geek --
>> not to mention it's my profession -- so, my complaints have nothing to
>> do with not knowing "how things work."
>>
>> This forum has really screwed things up. Prior to it being put into
>> action, the Kolb list worked just as it has worked for years.
>>
>> But with the forum....
>>
>> 1) Even though a message will have the same, identical subject line
>> as a previous message in the thread, my email client(s) will no longer
>> recognize them as being part of the same thread.... so, for example,
>> before the forum, if you sent 37 message about 1 subject, and 57
>> messages about another, I'd have only 2 lines... now I see 80 lines
>> or so, and that's not fun;
>>
>> 2) Many people have settings to copy the previous message into their
>> forum post, but many others don't. So, I often get a message from the
>> latter with a short reply and I don't know what they were referring to
>> since the previous message wasn't included in the post. So to
>> understand the post, I might have to dig through quite a few
>> messages... enough that I don't bother... which means I'm losing
>> information that might be important to me. And that sux.
>>
>> Just these two "minor" problems has really made this list a LOT less
>> friendly, and I'm very frustrated with the change. Matt should never
>> have pushed the forum unless it first did no harm to the way the list
>> worked. Yes, it's nice we can post pictures*, etc., etc., etc., but
>> not all of us can or want to use the web-based forum.
>>
>> Then, on top of all that, we get our first flame war in ages -- and,
>> intellectually, I know that has nothing to do with the list-cum-forum
>> issues, but it sure FEELS like it's related.
>>
>> Color me unhappy.
>>
>> -- Robert
>>
>> * Posting pictures is EASY in all of the lists that I maintain. The
>> Kolb list was all the more frustrating because it COULD be done, it
>> was just disallowed. But, as a list master myself, I understand why
>> it was done that way, but I don't have to be happy about it. Color me
>> grumpy.
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Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
Congratulations, Ed! I'm going to post your message over on the
EAA347 group, if you don't mind! Does this mean we'll be seing you at
all the southeast Texas fly-ins from now on? <g>
-- Robert
do not archive
On 1/24/06, DAquaNut@aol.com <DAquaNut@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
>
> Group,
>
> Well I finally did it! After several years of building plane and
> enclosed trailer I committed aviation in Firefly # O62. After 1 1/4 hours of
> flying and 4 landings my gear legs are perfectly straight. I was a little afraid,
> after all the talk of bent legs. I even managed to keep her off of her
> nose. I can see how it wouldn't take a lot to put Her over , though. She behaved
> better than I could hope for, although she will need some trim on the rudder
> ,as I have to put some pressure on the left pedal. to keep Her straight
> Seems She stalls about 35 or so tops out at about 75 and climbs to a thousand
> feet by the time I make my base turn. Seems I burned about 3 gal in an hour
and
> 15 min. of flying. Started getting nippy as it was nearing sunset. I just
> had a light jacket, unenclosed at 1500 ft .
>
> Many Thanks to: Jack Hart, Beauford T, Don G., Duane DA Plane,
> Jerb, John W. and any others that I may have forgotten, for the advice,
> suggestions ,warnings, ideas and words of encouragement.
>
>
> Ed Diebel ( flying Firefly #O62 and not still
> building.)
> Houston, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Congratulations, Ed. That's got to be one of the best feelings in the
world. Enjoy, and fly safe. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First flight
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
>
> Group,
>
> Well I finally did it! After several years of building plane and
> enclosed trailer I committed aviation in Firefly # O62. After 1 1/4
> hours of
> flying and 4 landings my gear legs are perfectly straight. I was a little
> afraid,
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <Lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Hi,
I think I have found the problem. The rascall just says that the picture was
rejected, and leaves it up to me to figure out why. Guessing that it is the size?
Larry
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6665#6665
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 11:08 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
>
>Then, on top of all that, we get our first flame war in ages -- and,
>intellectually, I know that has nothing to do with the list-cum-forum
>issues, but it sure FEELS like it's related.
>
>Color me unhappy.
Flame war? Heck, you ain't seen no flame war if you missed some of the
other ones - that I won't mention here - like JH & Cap'n Ron etc.
Just to not mention one.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Don G.
After your testing, how far back did you place the LandShorters? What distances
from the leading edge did you try?
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: unhappy with forum |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Just me being a stubborn old fart, Matt, and not taking time yet to learn
the new format. I'm one of the ones who wanted this type of thing, so I
can't grumble too loud. Gimmee a week or 3 and I'll prob'ly love it.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: unhappy with forum
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
> At 08:22 PM 1/24/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>>
>>Man, I'm glad mine isn't the only chain that gets jerked around
>>here.........grumpy. :-) Tell ya the truth, I'm not real nuts about
>>the
>>new format, either, for different reasons.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First flight
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
>
> Group,
>
> Well I finally did it! After several years of building plane and
> enclosed trailer I committed aviation in Firefly # O62. After 1 1/4
> hours of
> flying and 4 landings my gear legs are perfectly straight. I was a little
> afraid,
> after all the talk of bent legs. I even managed to keep her off of her
> nose. I can see how it wouldn't take a lot to put Her over , though. She
> behaved
> better than I could hope for, although she will need some trim on the
> rudder
> ,as I have to put some pressure on the left pedal. to keep Her straight
> Seems She stalls about 35 or so tops out at about 75 and climbs to a
> thousand
> feet by the time I make my base turn. Seems I burned about 3 gal in an
> hour and
> 15 min. of flying. Started getting nippy as it was nearing sunset. I
> just
> had a light jacket, unenclosed at 1500 ft .
>
> Many Thanks to: Jack Hart, Beauford T, Don G., Duane DA Plane,
> Jerb, John W. and any others that I may have forgotten, for the advice,
> suggestions ,warnings, ideas and words of encouragement.
>
>
> Ed Diebel ( flying Firefly #O62 and not still
> building.)
> Houston, Texas
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 12:23 AM 1/25/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>
>Don G.
>
>After your testing, how far back did you place the LandShorters?
>What distances from the leading edge did you try?
>
>--------
>John Jung
>Firestar II N6163J
>Surprise, AZ
That's the advantage of using the tape to put them on. You can take
them off with mineral spirits (at least with the tape I used) and
move them. Doesn't hurt the lexan VGs either. I stuck one on my car
windshield for a week before I ever put them on my plane - just to
make sure they would stay in place and to make sure I could take them
off if I didn't like them. They "may" work just as well at 11 inches
back as they do at 11% of the cord. I don't know, I didn't have to
move mine. If your not Very impressed at what they do, I would not
leave them on your plane. It's not something that you would have to
wonder if they're working or not - you will definitely know the
difference. Especially on take off - when you go full throttle and
just keep easing the stick back. Your nose just keeps going up and up
- your speed keeps going down and down - and it just doesn't stall. Neat!!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Congratulations, Ed!! Keep us posted on your exploits.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First flight
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
>
> Group,
>
> Well I finally did it! After several years of building plane and
> enclosed trailer I committed aviation in Firefly # O62. After 1 1/4
> hours of
> flying and 4 landings my gear legs are perfectly straight.
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