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1. 03:51 AM - Re: Main Spar Clevis Pin Safety Pin (Beauford)
2. 04:37 AM - Re: Main Spar Clevis Pin Safety Pin (Ralph)
3. 04:40 AM - Re: Main Spar Clevis Pin Safety Pin (John Jung)
4. 04:47 AM - Re: Main Spar Clevis Pin Safety Pin (N27SB@aol.com)
5. 05:54 AM - Re: Possible adult words? (Blumax008@AOL.COM)
6. 06:00 AM - Safety pins (Richard Girard)
7. 06:09 AM - Re: COOL GAME TO PLAY.... (JetPilot)
8. 06:26 AM - Re: pitot tube (David Lehman)
9. 07:12 AM - Re: Main Spar Clevis Pin Safety Pin (Denny Rowe)
10. 07:12 AM - Re: pitot tube (George E. Myers Jr.)
11. 08:03 AM - Re: Possible adult words? (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
12. 08:55 AM - Re: COOL GAME TO PLAY.... (Topher)
13. 09:24 AM - Re: Possible adult words? (Matt Dralle)
14. 01:59 PM - Detroit & Sunday (Jack B. Hart)
15. 02:22 PM - Detroit & Sunday 10 mile no fly zone (Lanny Fetterman)
16. 02:31 PM - trade? (Al Bumhoffer)
17. 02:36 PM - Vocations, avocations, and (NOT) CUTTING THREADS IN BOLTS (David Kulp)
18. 03:38 PM - Re: Detroit & Sunday 10 mile no fly zone (Gary r. voigt)
19. 03:48 PM - Re: Detroit & Sunday 10 mile no fly zone (Robert Laird)
20. 03:48 PM - Re: Detroit & Sunday 10 mile no fly zone (David Lehman)
21. 04:13 PM - Re: Detroit & Sunday 10 mile no fly zone (Gary r. voigt)
22. 05:07 PM - Re: Detroit & Sunday 10 mile no fly zone (planecrazzzy)
23. 05:23 PM - Re: pitot tube (David.Lehman)
24. 07:12 PM - Official Kolb-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (Matt Dralle)
25. 08:22 PM - Re: COOL GAME TO PLAY.... (Don G)
26. 11:24 PM - (kuffel@cyberport.net)
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| Subject: | Re: Main Spar Clevis Pin Safety Pin |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Brother Diebel...
I think a lot of the clevis pins move around some in flight... either to
rotate some,
or slide back and forth some... or both. Mine do... especially on the strut
fittings. The archives should
have a fair amount of material on this subject from past discussion strings
I can remember.
>From what I have read, some pin movement is a normal thing, although I have
heard of vibration eventually
enlarging the holes to the point that they required re-drilling and a larger
clevis pin being fitted on high-time planes.
I never heard of an installed safety pin falling out in flight, but I have
heard of clevis pins falling out when someone
neglected to install the safety pin. (As I recall, that incident was not on
a Kolb).
Assuming you used the right size bit to drill yours, there should not yet be
enough slop
to be a problem in your new ship. The clevis pins should be tight enough not
to allow the
attachment fittings to "rattle" yet loose enough to go in easily. If you
are concerned about
yours being too loose, why not call Travis at TNK, describe the way your
clevis pins are moving,
and see what he thinks...?
Personally, I use an AN washer on the clevis under my safety pins just to
make certain
there is never any direct contact between the safety pin and the fittings
should the clevis slide some...
I've heard that quite a few folks do this... I also make a point of looking
closely at the clevis
and safety pins for signs of wear, cracks or unusual grooves every time I
install 'em.
Worth what ye paid fer it... Good luck...
Beauford
FF#076
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Main Spar Clevis Pin Safety Pin
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
> Group,
>
> The safety pin on the main spar clevis pin on my Firefly rotates to
where
> the point on the safety pin ends up pointing up, even though I install it
> pointing down. Anyone else have this to occur? I fold and unfold to fly.
I
> would feel safer if the pin would stay pointing down . If it came open
pointing
> up it would have gravity pulling it down. ( and out) . Has there ever
been a
> case where the safety pins came out of that clevis? Is my concern legit?
>
>
> Ed Diebel (447 Firefly )
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Main Spar Clevis Pin Safety Pin |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
Ed and others,
The main clevis pins on the cage moves both ways in flight no matter which way
it's installed. I fold my Firestar on every flight and put it in with the safety
ring facing front so I can see it. I put an AN nut that fits over the pin to
take up the slack.
On the subject of the pins wearing or the fittings widening over time, I have not
noticed this on my plane. I inspect this often, and mine are very tight after
19 years of flying.
Ralph
Original Firestar
19 years flying it
-- DAquaNut@aol.com wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
Group,
The safety pin on the main spar clevis pin on my Firefly rotates to where
the point on the safety pin ends up pointing up, even though I install it
pointing down. Anyone else have this to occur? I fold and unfold to fly. I
would feel safer if the pin would stay pointing down . If it came open pointing
up it would have gravity pulling it down. ( and out) . Has there ever been a
case where the safety pins came out of that clevis? Is my concern legit?
Ed Diebel (447 Firefly )
Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
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| Subject: | Re: Main Spar Clevis Pin Safety Pin |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
DAquaNut(at)aol.com wrote:
> Has there ever been a
> case where the safety pins came out of that clevis? Is my concern legit?
Ed and Group,
I have been on the list for 8 years and flying Kolbs for 9.
The only case of that pin comming out that I can recall, was when the pilot left
the pin in his pocket. He got distracted by people asking him questions when
he set the plane up. Be assured that the rotation is normal.
My concern has always been that the pins are installed, not the position. My most
minimal preflight always involves looking at the safety pins.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8932#8932
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| Subject: | Re: Main Spar Clevis Pin Safety Pin |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 2/2/2006 1:23:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
DAquaNut@aol.com writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
> Group,
>
> The safety pin on the main spar clevis pin on my Firefly rotates to where
> the point on the safety pin ends up pointing up, even though I install it
> pointing down. Anyone else have this to occur? I fold and unfold to fly. I
>
> would feel safer if the pin would stay pointing down . If it came open
> pointing
> up it would have gravity pulling it down. ( and out) . Has there ever been
> a
> case where the safety pins came out of that clevis? Is my concern legit?
>
>
>
> Ed Diebel (447 Firefly )
>
>
Hi Ed,
There was a very long thread that I started last year in regard to safety
pins. Try putting your pins in from the Rear. I know that normal aircraft
protocol is that all bolt heads forward but in my Firefly the pins want to walk
forward. That will keep pressure on the head of the pin and maybe they wont rotate
On the other hand, I use a self lock castle nut and AN bolt followed by a
steel AN safety pin (not stainless). This requires about 5 extra min. but to me
it is worth it. Keep in mind that as far as I know, there has never been a
failure of a properly placed clevis and pin on a Kolb. The original design is
quick simple and reliable. I am sure if anyone knows of a failure they will
respond.
Steve
FF#007
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| Subject: | Re: Possible adult words? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Blumax008@aol.com
Well, if you guys are that uptight about "possible adult words," I need to
go someplace else. How do I unsubscribe?
Thanks & adios
Bill Catalina
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Girard <jindoguy@gmail.com>
I'm new to the Kolb list and Kolb flying, too, but I've been flying hang
gliders since 1974 so I have a bit of history with safety pins. There are
two "fixes" for rotating pins that I have used. One is to change to a
circular style pin, like the ones used for key rings. Bend the starting end
out slightly so it is less of a PITA to get the clip started in the clevis
pin hole. The second is to wire or zip tie the safety pin to a nearby
structure and make the lead short enough that the pin can only go in and
remain with the clip end down.
--
Rick Girard
"Pining for a home on the Range"
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| Subject: | Re: COOL GAME TO PLAY.... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Don G wrote:
> 3rd try got 55.8 secs.......
[Shocked]
--------
NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
Thanx Bob, it's the tube itself and I figured it didn't matter...
DVD
On 2/1/06, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> Don't know if you are speaking of the length of the probe
> or the tubing going to the cabin instrument. The probe
> can be any length. The tubing also. -within reason, not talking miles
> here.
> Pressure drop of a fluid in a pipe (air being also a fluid)
> is a function of cross section times distance traveled.
> The diff in a pitot static system is that there is no flow,
> hence no pressure drop.
> -BB
>
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Main Spar Clevis Pin Safety Pin |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Guys,
Don't forget the bottom tail wire wing nut and safety pin.
I have heard of the safety pin back there getting popped open by high grass.
So I use a castle nut and safety RING in place of the wing nut and safety
pin.
My $.02
Denny Rowe
Mk-3, 2SI 690-70
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Myers Jr." <gmyers@grandecom.net>
They only say that to make us feel better...
Do Not Archive
-------Original Message-------
From: David Lehman
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pitot tube
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
Thanx Bob, it's the tube itself and I figured it didn't matter...
DVD
On 2/1/06, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> Don't know if you are speaking of the length of the probe
> or the tubing going to the cabin instrument. The probe
> can be any length. The tubing also. -within reason, not talking miles
> here.
> Pressure drop of a fluid in a pipe (air being also a fluid)
> is a function of cross section times distance traveled.
> The diff in a pitot static system is that there is no flow,
> hence no pressure drop.
> -BB
>
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Possible adult words? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
Blumax008@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Blumax008@aol.com
>
> Well, if you guys are that uptight about "possible adult words," I need to
> go someplace else. How do I unsubscribe?
>
> Thanks & adios
> Bill Catalina
>
Bill it had nothing to do with anything that you said! I think that they
are taking about the warning that somehow got included in Lanny's reply
to your post. ~ Earl (copy)
> Kolb-List: How tight the tail wires? 1.80 SARE_ADLTSUB2 Contains possible
adult words
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| Subject: | Re: COOL GAME TO PLAY.... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Topher" <tophera@centurytel.net>
Took a while but finally got above 20 seconds
--------
Topher
Yellow Aero SSTOL
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=9001#9001
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| Subject: | Re: Possible adult words? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
At 08:02 AM 2/2/2006 Thursday, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
>
>Blumax008@aol.com wrote:
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Blumax008@aol.com
>>
>> Well, if you guys are that uptight about "possible adult words," I need to
>> go someplace else. How do I unsubscribe?
>>
>> Thanks & adios
>> Bill Catalina
>>
>
>Bill it had nothing to do with anything that you said! I think that they
>are taking about the warning that somehow got included in Lanny's reply
>to your post. ~ Earl (copy)
>
This was definitely not a "warning to a member". It is a email header tag added
by a spam filter appliance. I have an incoming filter for these, but there
are new ones being added all the time, so its a continual update process to clean
them all.
Matt Dralle
List Administrator
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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| Subject: | Detroit & Sunday |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
At 10:48 PM 10/9/05 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM05@comcast.net>
>
>Woody
>
>Did you and Andy do any flying under the Blue Water Bridge this weekend?
>Sounds like someone from your area did some flying this weekend that got
>everyone all worked up.
>
>do not archive
>
>Rick Neilsen
>Redrive VW powereed MKIIIc
Kolbers,
Got to wondering if anyone is going to be flying a Kolb close to and/or over
Detroit this coming Sunday? If you do, photos would be appreciated.
Do not archive.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Detroit & Sunday 10 mile no fly zone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
Hi all, I saw on the news that there is a 10 mile NO FLY zone around the
super bowl this Sunday. Lanny Fetterman N598 LF Firestar II Do
not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Al Bumhoffer" <abum@airadv.net>
I've been flying only ultralights over 20 years now, but do not know if I want
to go the sport pilot route or go back to a part 103 legal ultralight. I have
some time left to make up my mind, but I am wondering if there is any one on the
list that has a 254 lb legal Firefly that is thinking of going the sport pilot
route that might be interested in a trade for a Firestar II. Just curious.
Al Bumhoffer, Elkton, MI, Firestar II, 40 hrs and folded for the Winter
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Vocations, avocations, and (NOT) CUTTING THREADS IN BOLTS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Kulp" <undoctor@rcn.com>
I enjoyed reading the thread about vocations and avocations (other than flying
Kolbs). It adds personality to otherwise plain script and makes the list more
human, so I'd like to contribute info about me. I also feel compelled to comment
on the recent thread about cutting more threads on aircraft bolts.
I've driven 18-wheelers since about 1965 mostly throughout the eastern 24 states.
I have considerable experience hauling overdimension and overweight loads
and have always enjoyed the added challenges that come with the turf. The company
I drove for for 30 years folded so I took an early retirement and now work
one day a week for a regional carrier just because I enjoy it.
I ride motorcycle for most of my transportation needs and have almost 77K on my
2001 Honda ST1100. I've ridden in all the lower 48 except MO (seem to miss it
all the time), through Canada from Manitoba out to the west coast of Vancouver
Island (Long Beach, which is LOOOOOONG) and up to the Yukon Terr. By far my
best trip was on my BMW K100LT from Lansdale, PA to the Haul Rd.through the
Atigun Pass in the Brooks Mt. Range in AK, logging 11,014 miles in about 20 days.
I had a dog named Toots who rode with me for 15 years and had over 75,000
miles on my scoots when she died. She was on TV and many newspapers and mags
and rode from Cocoa Beach, FL to Lansdale, PA in one day; 8:30 AM to 3:30AM.
Still miss her!!!
A BELATED WORD ABOUT CUTTING THREADS IN BOLTS
I feel guilty for not posting this earlier in case someone who reads it may save
themselves some trouble. In 1990 I bought an underconstructed Chicken Hewk,
built by Pacific Aviation in Bellingham, WA. One Sunday, a week after I soloed,
an August thunderstorm was moving in so at 1,200' AGL I turned to land. As
soon as I completed my turn I encountered a severe downdraft (a fellow flying
nearby said I dropped about 30') and when I hit the bottom I felt something
pop and found there was no back pressure on the stick. When I got out of the
hospital and trailered the wreckage home I discovered that both the Teleflex push-pull
cables which were used for the ailerons had broken where they had adjustment
nuts at the stick.
I called Teleflex and since my house was only a couple of miles from the factory
an engineer asked to come and look at it. He told me that the cables are definately
not made for aircraft, only the throttle and clutch of a boat. He showed
me how they both fractured through the thread roots which are cut into the
adjustment rod at the end. He said the thread root of a cut thread is a weak
point like the chip on the edge of a piece of glass and that aircraft threads
are rolled in, which compresses the material and provides a rounded thread root.
He also showed me that the cross section of the one cable end was polished
half way through and told me that the plane had been flown with the adjustment
rod fractured half way through for a while before my catastrophe.
I hope this has been helpful. I'd also like to read more about other's sidelines
and interests.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
Ultrastar
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| Subject: | Re: Detroit & Sunday 10 mile no fly zone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary r. voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
I heard it was 30 mile?
Gary r. voigt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lanny Fetterman" <donaho@csrlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:22 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Detroit & Sunday 10 mile no fly zone
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
>
> Hi all, I saw on the news that there is a 10 mile NO FLY zone around the
> super bowl this Sunday. Lanny Fetterman N598 LF Firestar II Do
> not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Detroit & Sunday 10 mile no fly zone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
You guys really need to go to the source.... here's the TFR...
-------------------------------------------------
6/1310 - PART 1 OF 4 MI.. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS FORD FIELD, DETROIT, MI.
PURSUANT TO TITLE 14 CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS,
ALL AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED DUE TO THE NATIONAL
FOOTBALL LEAGUE SUPER BOWL. WITHIN A 30 NMR OF 422025N/0830243W OR THE
YQG305011.1 UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING FL180. EFFECTIVE 0602052100 UTC
(1600 LOCAL 02/05/06) UNTIL 0602060459 UTC (2359 LOCAL 02/05/06).
WITHIN A 10 NMR OF 422025N/0830243W OR THE YQG305011.1 UP TP BUT NOT
INCLUDING FL180. EFFECTIVE 0602052100 UTC (1600 LOCAL 02/05/06) UNTIL
0602060459 UTC (2359 LOCAL 02/05/06). EXCEPT AS SPECIFIED BELOW
EXCLUDING CANADIAN AIRSPACE: A. ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS WITHIN A 10
NMR AREA LISTED ABOVE ARE PROHIBITED EXCEPT FOR: 1. APPROVED LAW
ENFORCEMENT, MILITARY AIRCRAFT, EMERGENCY MEDICAL FLIGHTS IN DIRECT
CONTACT WITH ATC AND ARE SQUAWKING AN ASSIGN DISCRETE BEACON CODE. 2.
COMMERCIAL PASSENGER, PRIVATE CHARTER AND ALL-CARGO CARRIERS OPERATING
UNDER ONE OF THE FOLLOWING TSA-APPROVED STANDARD SECURITY
PROGRAMS/PROCEDURES: AIRCRAFT OPERATOR STANDARD END PART 1 OF 4 WIE
UNTIL UFN
PART 2 OF 4 MI.. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS FORD FIELD, SECURITY PROGRAM
(AOSSP), DOMESTIC SECURITY INTEGRATION PROGRAM (DSIP), TWELVE FIVE
STANDARD SECURITY PROGRAM (TFSSP), PRIVATE CHARTER STANDARD SECURITY
PROGRAM (PCSSP), ALL-CARGO INTERNATIONAL SECURITY PROCEDURE (ACISP),
OR MODEL SECURITY PROGRAM (MSP) AND ARE ARRIVING INTO AND/OR DEPARTING
FROM 49 CFR PART 1542. 3. EXCEPT AS AUTHORIZED IN PART C. B. WITHIN
THE AIRSPACE BETWEEN 10 NMR AND 30 NMR LISTED ABOVE: 1. ALL AIRCRAFT
ENTERING OR EXITING THE 30 NM RADIUS TFR MUST BE ON AN ACTIVE IFR OR
VFR FLIGHT PLAN WITH A DISCRETE CODE ASSIGNED BY AN AIR TRAFFIC
CONTROL (ATC) FACILITY. AIRCRAFT MUST BE SQUAWKING THE DISCRETE CODE
PRIOR TO DEPARTURE AND AT ALL TIMES WHILE IN THE TFR. 2. ALL AIRCRAFT
ENTERING OR EXITING THE 30 NM RADIUS TFR MUST REMAIN IN TWO-WAY RADIO
COMMUNICATIONS WITH ATC. 3. ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATING WITHIN THE 10 TO 30
NM RADIUS TFR AND OPERATING AT ALTITUDES OF UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING
FL180 ARE LIMITED TO AIRCRAFT ARRIVING OR DEPARTING LOCAL AIR- FIELDS
AND ATC MAY AUTHORIZE TRANSIT OPERATIONS. AIRCRAFT MAY NOT LOITER. END
PART 2 OF 4 WIE UNTIL UFN
PART 3 OF 4 MI.. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS FORD FIELD, 4. FLIGHT TRAINING,
PRACTICE INSTRUMENT APPROACHES, AEROBATIC FLIGHT, GLIDER OPERATIONS,
PARACHUTE OPERATIONS, ULTRALIGHT, HANG GLIDING, BALLOON OPERATIONS,
AGRICULTURE/CROP DUSTING, ANIMAL POPULATION CONTROL FLIGHT OPERATIONS,
AND BANNER TOWING OPERATIONS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED. C. DETROIT
METROPOLITAN (DTW) ARRIVALS/DEPARTURES ARE AUTHORIZED UNDER THE
FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: 1. BE ON AN ACTIVE IFR FLIGHT PLAN WITH A
DISCRETE CODE ASSIGNED BY ATC. 2. REMAIN IN TWO-WAY RADIO
COMMUNICATIONS WITH ATC. D. AIRCRAFT OPERATORS WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY
RECEIVED WAIVERS UNDER NOTAM 3/1862 MUST REAPPLY. ALL WAIVER
APPLICATIONS ARE SUBJECT TO THE PROVISIONS IDENTIFIED IN SECTION 521
OF PUBLIC LAW 108-199. APPLICATIONS CAN BE OBTAINED FROM THE FAA
WEBSITE AT HTTP://WAIVER.TFR.FAA.GOV E. FAA RECOMMENDS THAT ALL
AIRCRAFT OPERATORS CHECK NOTAMS FREQUENTLY FOR POSSIBLE CHANGES TO
THIS TFR PRIOR TO OPERATIONS WITHIN THIS REGION. NOTE THAT A SIMILAR
TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTION HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED IN ADJACENT CANADIAN
AIRSPACE. SEE CANADIAN NOTAMS. SYSTEM OPERATIONS SUPPORT CENTER, PHONE
END PART 3 OF 4 WIE UNTIL UFN
PART 4 OF 4 MI.. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS FORD FIELD, 202-267-8276 IS THE
POINT OF CONTACT. THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION /FAA/ SOSC,
PHONE 202-267-3333, IS THE COORDINATION FACILITY. END PART 4 OF 4 WIE
UNTIL UFN
On 2/2/06, Gary r. voigt <johndeereantique@qwest.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary r. voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
>
> I heard it was 30 mile?
>
> Gary r. voigt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lanny Fetterman" <donaho@csrlink.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:22 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Detroit & Sunday 10 mile no fly zone
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
> >
> > Hi all, I saw on the news that there is a 10 mile NO FLY zone around the
> > super bowl this Sunday. Lanny Fetterman N598 LF Firestar II Do
> > not archive
> >
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
30 miles...
http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_6_1310.html
On 2/2/06, Gary r. voigt <johndeereantique@qwest.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary r. voigt" <
> johndeereantique@qwest.net>
>
> I heard it was 30 mile?
>
> Gary r. voigt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lanny Fetterman" <donaho@csrlink.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:22 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Detroit & Sunday 10 mile no fly zone
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
> >
> > Hi all, I saw on the news that there is a 10 mile NO FLY zone around the
> > super bowl this Sunday. Lanny Fetterman N598 LF Firestar II
> Do
> > not archive
> >
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary r. voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
like i saidm, 30 miles....my news is the source...
Gary...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Detroit & Sunday 10 mile no fly zone
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
>
> You guys really need to go to the source.... here's the TFR...
>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> 6/1310 - PART 1 OF 4 MI.. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS FORD FIELD, DETROIT, MI.
> PURSUANT TO TITLE 14 CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS,
> ALL AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED DUE TO THE NATIONAL
> FOOTBALL LEAGUE SUPER BOWL. WITHIN A 30 NMR OF 422025N/0830243W OR THE
> YQG305011.1 UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING FL180. EFFECTIVE 0602052100 UTC
> (1600 LOCAL 02/05/06) UNTIL 0602060459 UTC (2359 LOCAL 02/05/06).
> WITHIN A 10 NMR OF 422025N/0830243W OR THE YQG305011.1 UP TP BUT NOT
> INCLUDING FL180. EFFECTIVE 0602052100 UTC (1600 LOCAL 02/05/06) UNTIL
> 0602060459 UTC (2359 LOCAL 02/05/06). EXCEPT AS SPECIFIED BELOW
> EXCLUDING CANADIAN AIRSPACE: A. ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS WITHIN A 10
> NMR AREA LISTED ABOVE ARE PROHIBITED EXCEPT FOR: 1. APPROVED LAW
> ENFORCEMENT, MILITARY AIRCRAFT, EMERGENCY MEDICAL FLIGHTS IN DIRECT
> CONTACT WITH ATC AND ARE SQUAWKING AN ASSIGN DISCRETE BEACON CODE. 2.
> COMMERCIAL PASSENGER, PRIVATE CHARTER AND ALL-CARGO CARRIERS OPERATING
> UNDER ONE OF THE FOLLOWING TSA-APPROVED STANDARD SECURITY
> PROGRAMS/PROCEDURES: AIRCRAFT OPERATOR STANDARD END PART 1 OF 4 WIE
> UNTIL UFN
>
> PART 2 OF 4 MI.. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS FORD FIELD, SECURITY PROGRAM
> (AOSSP), DOMESTIC SECURITY INTEGRATION PROGRAM (DSIP), TWELVE FIVE
> STANDARD SECURITY PROGRAM (TFSSP), PRIVATE CHARTER STANDARD SECURITY
> PROGRAM (PCSSP), ALL-CARGO INTERNATIONAL SECURITY PROCEDURE (ACISP),
> OR MODEL SECURITY PROGRAM (MSP) AND ARE ARRIVING INTO AND/OR DEPARTING
> FROM 49 CFR PART 1542. 3. EXCEPT AS AUTHORIZED IN PART C. B. WITHIN
> THE AIRSPACE BETWEEN 10 NMR AND 30 NMR LISTED ABOVE: 1. ALL AIRCRAFT
> ENTERING OR EXITING THE 30 NM RADIUS TFR MUST BE ON AN ACTIVE IFR OR
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> PRIOR TO DEPARTURE AND AT ALL TIMES WHILE IN THE TFR. 2. ALL AIRCRAFT
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> COMMUNICATIONS WITH ATC. 3. ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATING WITHIN THE 10 TO 30
> NM RADIUS TFR AND OPERATING AT ALTITUDES OF UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING
> FL180 ARE LIMITED TO AIRCRAFT ARRIVING OR DEPARTING LOCAL AIR- FIELDS
> AND ATC MAY AUTHORIZE TRANSIT OPERATIONS. AIRCRAFT MAY NOT LOITER. END
> PART 2 OF 4 WIE UNTIL UFN
>
> PART 3 OF 4 MI.. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS FORD FIELD, 4. FLIGHT TRAINING,
> PRACTICE INSTRUMENT APPROACHES, AEROBATIC FLIGHT, GLIDER OPERATIONS,
> PARACHUTE OPERATIONS, ULTRALIGHT, HANG GLIDING, BALLOON OPERATIONS,
> AGRICULTURE/CROP DUSTING, ANIMAL POPULATION CONTROL FLIGHT OPERATIONS,
> AND BANNER TOWING OPERATIONS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED. C. DETROIT
> METROPOLITAN (DTW) ARRIVALS/DEPARTURES ARE AUTHORIZED UNDER THE
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> DISCRETE CODE ASSIGNED BY ATC. 2. REMAIN IN TWO-WAY RADIO
> COMMUNICATIONS WITH ATC. D. AIRCRAFT OPERATORS WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY
> RECEIVED WAIVERS UNDER NOTAM 3/1862 MUST REAPPLY. ALL WAIVER
> APPLICATIONS ARE SUBJECT TO THE PROVISIONS IDENTIFIED IN SECTION 521
> OF PUBLIC LAW 108-199. APPLICATIONS CAN BE OBTAINED FROM THE FAA
> WEBSITE AT HTTP://WAIVER.TFR.FAA.GOV E. FAA RECOMMENDS THAT ALL
> AIRCRAFT OPERATORS CHECK NOTAMS FREQUENTLY FOR POSSIBLE CHANGES TO
> THIS TFR PRIOR TO OPERATIONS WITHIN THIS REGION. NOTE THAT A SIMILAR
> TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTION HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED IN ADJACENT CANADIAN
> AIRSPACE. SEE CANADIAN NOTAMS. SYSTEM OPERATIONS SUPPORT CENTER, PHONE
> END PART 3 OF 4 WIE UNTIL UFN
>
> PART 4 OF 4 MI.. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS FORD FIELD, 202-267-8276 IS THE
> POINT OF CONTACT. THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION /FAA/ SOSC,
> PHONE 202-267-3333, IS THE COORDINATION FACILITY. END PART 4 OF 4 WIE
> UNTIL UFN
>
>
> On 2/2/06, Gary r. voigt <johndeereantique@qwest.net> wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary r. voigt"
<johndeereantique@qwest.net>
> >
> > I heard it was 30 mile?
> >
> > Gary r. voigt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lanny Fetterman" <donaho@csrlink.net>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:22 PM
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Detroit & Sunday 10 mile no fly zone
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
> > >
> > > Hi all, I saw on the news that there is a 10 mile NO FLY zone around
the
> > > super bowl this Sunday. Lanny Fetterman N598 LF Firestar II
Do
> > > not archive
> > >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
The TFR said 30 "Nautical" miles Or that would be 34.5 miles(statute)
I think there would also be a problem with flying over congested area...
Gotta Fly...
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The more people I know....
The more I like MY DOG
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Read this topic online here:
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slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
> Don't know if you are speaking of the length of the probe
> or the tubing going to the cabin instrument. The probe
> can be any length. The tubing also. -within reason, not talking miles
> here.
> Pressure drop of a fluid in a pipe (air being also a fluid)
> is a function of cross section times distance traveled.
> The diff in a pitot static system is that there is no flow,
> hence no pressure drop.
> -BB
Bob...
Here's a "duh"... Given what you wrote, I really don't need the "tube" because
the bulkhead fitting is forward of the nose about 7/8" and should be in undisturbed
air?...
Thanx...
DVD
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http://photobucket.com/albums/e327/N446/
Do not spin this aircraft. If the aircraft does enter a spin it will return to
earth without further attention on the part of the aeronaut.
first handbook issued with the Curtis-Wright flyer.
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Do I play video games...hehe...not hardly...although when we first got married
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I have used flight sims quite abit ...if that counts
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel@cyberport.net
DVD asks:
<<don't need the "tube" because the bulkhead fitting is forward of the
nose about 7/8" and should be in undisturbed air?>>
As in most things aeronautic, "not exactly". 7/8" in front of the wing or
nose cone the air is relatively undisturbed *relative to the surface*. In
other words, almost static. Unfortunately, what you need to measure is
air undisturbed relative to the ground (+/- wind of course). The general
rule is to reach such air you should be as far away from the nearest
surface as the radius of curvature of that surface.
This effect caused a very low and nervous first flight for a friend in his
new Mark III. He had mounted a commercial combined static/pitot probe on
the front of his nose cone. It was about 6 " long which is more than
enough for a wing mounting but in front of the much larger radius nose
cone put it in stagnant air. The resulting low pitot pressure had him
thinking he was on the verge of stall all the way around the pattern when
it turns out he was doing over 80 mph.
The good news is you don't have to abide by the "general rule" to get
useful, repeatable airspeed indications. The airplane will stall at the
same indicated airspeed at the same g loading every time. Just don't
expect the airspeed to be accurate or the same error through out its
range. Use a GPS to find out the actual speed of your 1 g stall and then
use the GPS to find out which indicated airspeed is 1.3 times the stall
speed. This indicated speed is then your normal approach speed (says the
FAA).
My friend increased the range of his indicated airspeeds by disconnecting
the static part of the commercial probe and using the interior of the nose
cone as his static source. This worked fine except for the errors in
caused in his altimeter.....
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
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