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1. 05:36 AM - Re: (David Lehman)
2. 06:21 AM - Re: (robert bean)
3. 06:59 AM - Re: trade? (lndc)
4. 07:10 AM - Re: (David Lehman)
5. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: trade? (Jack B. Hart)
6. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: trade? (Robert Dorsey)
7. 07:36 AM - Re: (Rick Miles)
8. 07:54 AM - Re: (David Lehman)
9. 08:08 AM - Re: trade? (JetPilot)
10. 08:22 AM - Winter Flying in Texas (John Williamson)
11. 08:31 AM - Pitot Geometry (kuffel@cyberport.net)
12. 08:49 AM - Re: (pat ladd)
13. 08:55 AM - Re: (David.Lehman)
14. 08:55 AM - Re: Pitot Geometry (Richard Pike)
15. 09:02 AM - Re: (robert bean)
16. 09:15 AM - Re: Winter Flying in Texas (John Hauck)
17. 09:34 AM - Re: (John Hauck)
18. 09:55 AM - Re: (N27SB@AOL.COM)
19. 10:22 AM - Re: (John Hauck)
20. 11:15 AM - Re: aka pitot (Robert Noyer)
21. 12:22 PM - Re: Pitot Geometry (robert bean)
22. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: trade? (N27SB@aol.com)
23. 04:56 PM - Re: Pitot Geometry (John Hauck)
24. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: Pitot Geometry (flht99reh)
25. 06:35 PM - Re: Winter Flying in Texas (JetPilot)
26. 06:52 PM - Where're You At?? (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
27. 07:04 PM - Re: Winter Flying in Texas (Bob Dalton)
28. 08:00 PM - Re: Re: Pitot Geometry (David Lehman)
29. 08:03 PM - Re: ANR (Don Martin)
30. 09:42 PM - Bearing Wash-out (Larry Bourne)
31. 09:58 PM - Re: Where're You At??/ Spy ware problems (Carlos)
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List: |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
Thanx Tom...
Definitely "food for thought"...
Back to the drawing board...
DVD
On 2/2/06, kuffel@cyberport.net <kuffel@cyberport.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel@cyberport.net
>
> DVD asks:
>
> <<don't need the "tube" because the bulkhead fitting is forward of the
> nose about 7/8" and should be in undisturbed air?>>
>
> As in most things aeronautic, "not exactly". 7/8" in front of the wing or
> nose cone the air is relatively undisturbed *relative to the surface*. In
> other words, almost static. Unfortunately, what you need to measure is
> air undisturbed relative to the ground (+/- wind of course). The general
> rule is to reach such air you should be as far away from the nearest
> surface as the radius of curvature of that surface.
>
> This effect caused a very low and nervous first flight for a friend in his
> new Mark III. He had mounted a commercial combined static/pitot probe on
> the front of his nose cone. It was about 6 " long which is more than
> enough for a wing mounting but in front of the much larger radius nose
> cone put it in stagnant air. The resulting low pitot pressure had him
> thinking he was on the verge of stall all the way around the pattern when
> it turns out he was doing over 80 mph.
>
> The good news is you don't have to abide by the "general rule" to get
> useful, repeatable airspeed indications. The airplane will stall at the
> same indicated airspeed at the same g loading every time. Just don't
> expect the airspeed to be accurate or the same error through out its
> range. Use a GPS to find out the actual speed of your 1 g stall and then
> use the GPS to find out which indicated airspeed is 1.3 times the stall
> speed. This indicated speed is then your normal approach speed (says the
> FAA).
>
> My friend increased the range of his indicated airspeeds by disconnecting
> the static part of the commercial probe and using the interior of the nose
> cone as his static source. This worked fine except for the errors in
> caused in his altimeter.....
>
> Tom Kuffel
> Whitefish, MT
> Building Original FireStar
do not archive
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
That same effect is what will make me reform the front of my handmade
aluminum nose cone. At easy cruise and below the airspeed works ok.
If I crank it
up the nose tips down and the ASI starts doing a little dance.
The probe is located 15" back of the front and 3 1/4" standoff from the
bottom.
The air should be linear at that point, fast or slow.
Eventually I may know how fast I'm going.
-BB
On 3, Feb 2006, at 2:26 AM, kuffel@cyberport.net wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel@cyberport.net
>
> DVD asks:
>
> <<don't need the "tube" because the bulkhead fitting is forward of the
> nose about 7/8" and should be in undisturbed air?>>
>
> As in most things aeronautic, "not exactly". 7/8" in front of the
> wing or
> nose cone the air is relatively undisturbed *relative to the surface*.
> In
> other words, almost static. Unfortunately, what you need to measure is
> air undisturbed relative to the ground (+/- wind of course). The
> general
> rule is to reach such air you should be as far away from the nearest
> surface as the radius of curvature of that surface.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "lndc" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
I have nothing to trade. I also own a fat UL. I would love to have a Firefly UL
but I don't think there is such a critter. I'm told that it could make weight.
But if there is a legal 103 Firefly out there, I would like to hear about it.
Dan Charter
Original Firestar
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=9321#9321
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List: |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
I guess some of the pitot tube science is "by gosh, by golly"... I'm
starting out with an 8" long 1/4" diameter aluminum tube... Tubing's cheap,
I'll cut until I find the airspeed indicator is affected...
DVD
On 2/3/06, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> That same effect is what will make me reform the front of my handmade
> aluminum nose cone. At easy cruise and below the airspeed works ok.
> If I crank it
> up the nose tips down and the ASI starts doing a little dance.
> The probe is located 15" back of the front and 3 1/4" standoff from the
> bottom.
> The air should be linear at that point, fast or slow.
>
> Eventually I may know how fast I'm going.
> -BB
> On 3, Feb 2006, at 2:26 AM, kuffel@cyberport.net wrote:
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel@cyberport.net
> >
> > DVD asks:
> >
> > <<don't need the "tube" because the bulkhead fitting is forward of the
> > nose about 7/8" and should be in undisturbed air?>>
> >
> > As in most things aeronautic, "not exactly". 7/8" in front of the
> > wing or
> > nose cone the air is relatively undisturbed *relative to the surface*.
> > In
> > other words, almost static. Unfortunately, what you need to measure is
> > air undisturbed relative to the ground (+/- wind of course). The
> > general
> > rule is to reach such air you should be as far away from the nearest
> > surface as the radius of curvature of that surface.
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
At 06:57 AM 2/3/06 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "lndc" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
>
>I have nothing to trade. I also own a fat UL. I would love to have a Firefly UL
but I don't think there is such a critter. I'm told that it could make weight.
But if there is a legal 103 Firefly out there, I would like to hear about it.
>Dan Charter
>Original Firestar
>
Dan,
It can be done.
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Dorsey <lnc2bldr@earthlink.net>
I just sold one. No brakes, no starter, nice but not spectacular paint job. Came
in at 254 + 11oz. with around 5 extra feet of egt and cht cables that could
have been trimmed down. If you have part 103 legal as a priority it can easily
be done.
Bob Dorsey
Sold 103 legal FF
Lancair 360 in progress
Bonanza flying
-----Original Message-----
>From: lndc <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
>Sent: Feb 3, 2006 7:57 AM
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: trade?
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "lndc" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
>
>I have nothing to trade. I also own a fat UL. I would love to have a Firefly UL
but I don't think there is such a critter. I'm told that it could make weight.
But if there is a legal 103 Firefly out there, I would like to hear about it.
>Dan Charter
>Original Firestar
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=9321#9321
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Rick Miles <ultrastarrick@yahoo.com>
Look at a F-16 the tube is mounted on a boom that brings it well infront of the
nose cone into cleen air
robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert
bean
That same effect is what will make me reform the front of my handmade
aluminum nose cone. At easy cruise and below the airspeed works ok.
If I crank it
up the nose tips down and the ASI starts doing a little dance.
The probe is located 15" back of the front and 3 1/4" standoff from the
bottom.
The air should be linear at that point, fast or slow.
Eventually I may know how fast I'm going.
-BB
On 3, Feb 2006, at 2:26 AM, kuffel@cyberport.net wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel@cyberport.net
>
> DVD asks:
>
> <> nose about 7/8" and should be in undisturbed air?>>
>
> As in most things aeronautic, "not exactly". 7/8" in front of the
> wing or
> nose cone the air is relatively undisturbed *relative to the surface*.
> In
> other words, almost static. Unfortunately, what you need to measure is
> air undisturbed relative to the ground (+/- wind of course). The
> general
> rule is to reach such air you should be as far away from the nearest
> surface as the radius of curvature of that surface.
>
>
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Brings words and photos together (easily) with
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List: |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
Yeah, the more I thought about this, the more it made sense...
When I walk down the ramp and look at twin engine airplanes, the pitot tube
is either under the wing or UNDER the nose... When I look at pictures of
test vehicles with nose mounted pitots, they're always long tubes... My
AT-6 had a wing leading edge mounted pitot tube and it was long enough for a
kid to do chin-ups on (this actually happened at an airshow, I taught the
kid some adult words!)... I eventually shortened the wingspan 7' and
mounted the pitot under the wing, using a short "L" type tube...
DVD
On 2/3/06, Rick Miles <ultrastarrick@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Rick Miles <ultrastarrick@yahoo.com>
>
> Look at a F-16 the tube is mounted on a boom that brings it well infront
> of the nose cone into cleen air
>
> robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted
> by: robert bean
>
> That same effect is what will make me reform the front of my handmade
> aluminum nose cone. At easy cruise and below the airspeed works ok.
> If I crank it
> up the nose tips down and the ASI starts doing a little dance.
> The probe is located 15" back of the front and 3 1/4" standoff from the
> bottom.
> The air should be linear at that point, fast or slow.
>
> Eventually I may know how fast I'm going.
> -BB
> On 3, Feb 2006, at 2:26 AM, kuffel@cyberport.net wrote:
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel@cyberport.net
> >
> > DVD asks:
> >
> > <> nose about 7/8" and should be in undisturbed air?>>
> >
> > As in most things aeronautic, "not exactly". 7/8" in front of the
> > wing or
> > nose cone the air is relatively undisturbed *relative to the surface*.
> > In
> > other words, almost static. Unfortunately, what you need to measure is
> > air undisturbed relative to the ground (+/- wind of course). The
> > general
> > rule is to reach such air you should be as far away from the nearest
> > surface as the radius of curvature of that surface.
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Thats easy, you just take everything off you can before its weighed and then put
your brakes etc. back on afterwards :)
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NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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| Subject: | Winter Flying in Texas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2@comcast.net>
No snow down here so I had to go flying!!!
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John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel@cyberport.net
Sorry, I forgot a topic line.
Bob Bean:
<<That same effect is what will make me reform the front of my handmade
aluminum nose cone. At easy cruise and below the airspeed works ok.
If I crank it
up the nose tips down and the ASI starts doing a little dance.
The probe is located 15" back of the front and 3 1/4" standoff from the
bottom.>>
First you might try an old trick in reverse. If your pitot tube is really
a tube, file the front at at angle to form a scoop. For your case the
lower edge of the tube would be forward.
Filing the front of the tube with the upper edge forward has sometimes
helped with wing mounted pitots which had abnormally low indicated
airspeeds at stall. Doing the opposite might help and certainly is easier
to try than a new nose cone.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
I'll cut until I find the airspeed indicator is affected...>>
What are you going to do then, Dave? Stick a bit back on?
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David.Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> I'll cut until I find the airspeed indicator is affected...>>
> What are you going to do then, Dave? Stick a bit back on?
> Cheers
> Pat--
Thank goodness for Super Glue ;-) ...
DVD
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http://photobucket.com/albums/e327/N446/
Do not spin this aircraft. If the aircraft does enter a spin it will return to
earth without further attention on the part of the aeronaut.
first handbook issued with the Curtis-Wright flyer.
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot Geometry |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Move it about 15" forward and a bit down. If your pitot tube and static
air openings are about even with the front of the nose bowl, and at
least 6" below it, it will work perfectly.
Here is an example:
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg7.htm
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
robert bean wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> That same effect is what will make me reform the front of my handmade
> aluminum nose cone. At easy cruise and below the airspeed works ok.
> If I crank it
> up the nose tips down and the ASI starts doing a little dance.
> The probe is located 15" back of the front and 3 1/4" standoff from the
> bottom.
> The air should be linear at that point, fast or slow.
>
> Eventually I may know how fast I'm going.
> -BB
> On 3, Feb 2006, at 2:26 AM, kuffel@cyberport.net wrote:
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel@cyberport.net
>>
>> DVD asks:
>>
>> <<don't need the "tube" because the bulkhead fitting is forward of the
>> nose about 7/8" and should be in undisturbed air?>>
>>
>> As in most things aeronautic, "not exactly". 7/8" in front of the
>> wing or
>> nose cone the air is relatively undisturbed *relative to the surface*.
>> In
>> other words, almost static. Unfortunately, what you need to measure is
>> air undisturbed relative to the ground (+/- wind of course). The
>> general
>> rule is to reach such air you should be as far away from the nearest
>> surface as the radius of curvature of that surface.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
I had the choice of sticking it out front or underneath.
The very great possibility of someone walking into it at a flyin
made me opt for second best..... down where the weeds
whack it. Now I'm thinking a wing strut mount would be even
better. I only fold and unfold once each season so that wouldn't
be a big obstacle.
-BB, go ahead and archive pitot
On 3, Feb 2006, at 10:10 AM, David Lehman wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
>
> I guess some of the pitot tube science is "by gosh, by golly"... I'm
> starting out with an 8" long 1/4" diameter aluminum tube... Tubing's
> cheap,
> I'll cut until I find the airspeed indicator is affected...
>
> DVD
>
>
> On 2/3/06, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>>
>> That same effect is what will make me reform the front of my handmade
>> aluminum nose cone. At easy cruise and below the airspeed works ok.
>> If I crank it
>> up the nose tips down and the ASI starts doing a little dance.
>> The probe is located 15" back of the front and 3 1/4" standoff from
>> the
>> bottom.
>> The air should be linear at that point, fast or slow.
>>
>> Eventually I may know how fast I'm going.
>> -BB
>> On 3, Feb 2006, at 2:26 AM, kuffel@cyberport.net wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel@cyberport.net
>>>
>>> DVD asks:
>>>
>>> <<don't need the "tube" because the bulkhead fitting is forward of
>>> the
>>> nose about 7/8" and should be in undisturbed air?>>
>>>
>>> As in most things aeronautic, "not exactly". 7/8" in front of the
>>> wing or
>>> nose cone the air is relatively undisturbed *relative to the
>>> surface*.
>>> In
>>> other words, almost static. Unfortunately, what you need to measure
>>> is
>>> air undisturbed relative to the ground (+/- wind of course). The
>>> general
>>> rule is to reach such air you should be as far away from the nearest
>>> surface as the radius of curvature of that surface.
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Flying in Texas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi John W/Gang:
Having the same conditions here in Alabama, but I left the new exhaust system w/Bro
Jim In Woodville, FL, to reweld and reinforce all four tabs on both silencers.
Tough being grounded temporarily.
Picked up my 5th wheel in Woodville, and pulled it to Lucedale, MS, for the 912
School. Nothing extraordinary to pass on. Rotax continues to make small improvements
to the 912 series engines as well as increases in prices. Spare parts
are completely out of sight. I believe they are going to outprice themselves
for us little guys living on retirement and fixed incomes. Although an extremely
good, reliable engine, 14 to 15 thousand dollars is more than I want to
invest in a new engine. Maybe an adequate replacement will come along before
I need a new one. Based on condition inspections, my 912ULS should run reliably
to 3,000 hours. The life of the engine is frequent oil changes if the user
is using a lot of 100LL fuel, which we have to do when we do cross country flights.
If we could feed them on a steady diet of 91 octane or higher auto fuel,
we could stick to the recommended 100 hour oil changes.
Spark plug change interval remains at 200 hours for the 912UL and 100 hours for
the 912ULS. However, both engines will easily exceed these time intervals with
satisfactory results.
Guessing that is Ken K's Tornado in the sunset. Beautiful photo.
Take care,
john h
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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| better. | -BB, go ahead and archive pitot
Modrning Bob B/Gang:
I mounted my pitot/static system below the outboard end of the right
hand lift strut on the MKIII. Works fine.
I have also had them on the nose of the nose cone, under the nose
cone, and in the middle of the lift strut. System worked well in all
locations, except under the nose cone when I let the FS go up on its
nose. ;-)
Best system for up to 75 mph was the Winter Venturi ASI designed
primarily for sail planes. A very accurate instrument from nearly 0
to 75 mph. Operated on a venturi and not pitot pressure and static
pressure. Takes the error out of airspeed systems for our little
airplanes. Careful interpolation will allow you to read up to 85 mph
as the needle begins its second trip around the dial.
The Winter Venturi ASI in the photo shows 100 mph, but when it come to
ordering, it only gives a choice of 0 to 75 mph. Would be nice to
have one 0 to 100 or 110 mph. The beauty of this gauge is its extreme
accuracy on the low side of the scale. Allowed us to play close to
the stall in our FS's and US's.
http://www.airstuff.com/eshop/10Browse.asp
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 2/3/06 11:34:43 AM Central Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
> Best system for up to 75 mph was the Winter Venturi ASI designed
> primarily for sail planes. A very accurate instrument from nearly 0
> to 75 mph.
thanks for the idea John, what does the sender look like and how big? It is
not shown on the website
Steve B
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
big? It is
| not shown on the website
|
| Steve B
Hi Steve B/Gang:
The venturi is small and placed 90 deg to the mounting tube. Easily
mounts to the lift strut, or it will also mount down through the
bottom of the nose cone.
Tried to find a photo of the venturi online, but failed. I may have
one stuck away in the bottom draw somewhere. If I come across one, I
will post it to the List.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
While you are cutting/adjusting yer pitot, cut it within an inch or
so of the nose cone, and then extend it via a short pc. of vinyl
tubing. This makes it flexible so it won't get broken/bent next time
a coat gets caught on it, or some cretin's ankle-biter fools with it.
Bob N. maybe good enough to archive?
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot Geometry |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Thanks guys, all good food for contemplation. My nose cone front end
is a hole plugged with blue foam, coated with glass and epoxy.
It has been redone with my big grinder once before.
I made my pitot from a piece of very thinwall stainless tube figuring
the shear effect would possibly give me more accuracy. Pretty tough
to bend without a wrinkle. Just fanciful thinking on my part,
but scrap is cheap.
I would like to get it up where its safe though, I have a tendency to
go where no man has gone before. (the brush)
-BB do not archive
On 3, Feb 2006, at 11:53 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> Move it about 15" forward and a bit down. If your pitot tube and static
> air openings are about even with the front of the nose bowl, and at
> least 6" below it, it will work perfectly.
> Here is an example:
> http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg7.htm
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> robert bean wrote:
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>>
>> That same effect is what will make me reform the front of my handmade
>> aluminum nose cone. At easy cruise and below the airspeed works ok.
>> If I crank it
>> up the nose tips down and the ASI starts doing a little dance.
>> The probe is located 15" back of the front and 3 1/4" standoff from
>> the
>> bottom.
>> The air should be linear at that point, fast or slow.
>>
>> Eventually I may know how fast I'm going.
>> -BB
>> On 3, Feb 2006, at 2:26 AM, kuffel@cyberport.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel@cyberport.net
>>>
>>> DVD asks:
>>>
>>> <<don't need the "tube" because the bulkhead fitting is forward of
>>> the
>>> nose about 7/8" and should be in undisturbed air?>>
>>>
>>> As in most things aeronautic, "not exactly". 7/8" in front of the
>>> wing or
>>> nose cone the air is relatively undisturbed *relative to the
>>> surface*.
>>> In
>>> other words, almost static. Unfortunately, what you need to measure
>>> is
>>> air undisturbed relative to the ground (+/- wind of course). The
>>> general
>>> rule is to reach such air you should be as far away from the nearest
>>> surface as the radius of curvature of that surface.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 2/3/06 8:59:29 AM Central Standard Time, lndc@fnbcnet.com
writes:
> But if there is a legal 103 Firefly out there, I would like to hear about
> it.
> Dan Charter
> Original Firestar
>
Dan, It can be done, even with floats. You just have to get back to the
purity of what UL was.
Steve B
FF#007 on floats
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot Geometry |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I would like to get it up where its safe though, I have a tendency to
> go where no man has gone before. (the brush)
Hi Bob: You did not clarify if that excursion to the brush was controlled, intentional,
or uncontrolled and unintentional.
john h
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=9470#9470
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot Geometry |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
John, the question you asked below reminded me of an instructor in a
Salesman course on successful salesmanship (I believe for those that care
that it was the Larry Wilson Salesmanship Course). He said there are four
categories of salesmen (or for that matter, any area of interest): The
highest is the conscious competent. This one is aware that there successful
and why. Then there is the unconscious competent. This one, he says, has no
idea why they are successful. Then the third: the conscious incompetent.
This individual is aware of why they are not successful. Then the last: the
unconscious incompetent. He or she, has no idea why or the fact that they
are unsuccessful.
I was, for a great deal of my career, an unconscious competent. I had the
way to sell refrigerators to Eskimo's; I just never understood why they
bought from me. Now over my life I have graduated to being the conscious
incompetent. I know that I know that I am a complete, in every way failure.
But soon, I hope to acquire that happy medium most elderly men achieve: the
full blown unconscious incompetent. Imagine, being able to fail with dignity
in your own eyes! Now I don't want to be in that category while flying, just
in all other matters. I mean that would complete for me the whole circle of
life: I wear glasses, my speech gets slurred on just six or eight beers, my
hearing is attuned to hear only Harley Davidson motorcycles with drag pipes,
I walk with a limp, have high blood pressure, have record setting high
cholesterol, thyroids are out of whack and I could afford to loose thirty of
forty pounds.
The real Ralph from Ohio!
Kolb 1990 Firestar KXP
Hi Bob: You did not clarify if that excursion to the brush was controlled,
intentional, or uncontrolled and unintentional.
john h
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Flying in Texas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Beautiful pictures John, looks like you are having more fun than the rest of us...
I loved the video, I wold really like to see more flying videos posted.
I will be posting a bunch as soon as im flying :)
Michael A. Bigelow
--------
NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=9488#9488
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| Subject: | Where're You At?? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
For anybody that may have been gone for a few days, we started a Kolb
family map. Please consider joining us. Thanks! ~ Earl
http://www.frappr.com/kolbaircraft
--
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Flying in Texas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy@comcast.net>
John,
Great shot! Wish I could have been alongside.
Bob D.
Manteca, CA
do not archive [Rolling Eyes]
--------
Bob Dalton
Manteca, Ca.
wiserguy@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot Geometry |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <david@davidlehman.net>
OK Ralphie...
I nominate you for President of our ol' man's club... I think most of us
are a lot like you...
DVD
On 2/3/06, flht99reh <flht99reh@netzero.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
>
>
> John, the question you asked below reminded me of an instructor in a
> Salesman course on successful salesmanship (I believe for those that care
> that it was the Larry Wilson Salesmanship Course). He said there are four
> categories of salesmen (or for that matter, any area of interest): The
> highest is the conscious competent. This one is aware that there
> successful
> and why. Then there is the unconscious competent. This one, he says, has
> no
> idea why they are successful. Then the third: the conscious incompetent.
> This individual is aware of why they are not successful. Then the last:
> the
> unconscious incompetent. He or she, has no idea why or the fact that they
> are unsuccessful.
>
> I was, for a great deal of my career, an unconscious competent. I had the
> way to sell refrigerators to Eskimo's; I just never understood why they
> bought from me. Now over my life I have graduated to being the conscious
> incompetent. I know that I know that I am a complete, in every way
> failure.
> But soon, I hope to acquire that happy medium most elderly men achieve:
> the
> full blown unconscious incompetent. Imagine, being able to fail with
> dignity
> in your own eyes! Now I don't want to be in that category while flying,
> just
> in all other matters. I mean that would complete for me the whole circle
> of
> life: I wear glasses, my speech gets slurred on just six or eight beers,
> my
> hearing is attuned to hear only Harley Davidson motorcycles with drag
> pipes,
> I walk with a limp, have high blood pressure, have record setting high
> cholesterol, thyroids are out of whack and I could afford to loose thirty
> of
> forty pounds.
>
> The real Ralph from Ohio!
> Kolb 1990 Firestar KXP
>
>
> Hi Bob: You did not clarify if that excursion to the brush was
> controlled,
> intentional, or uncontrolled and unintentional.
>
> john h
>
> --------
> John Hauck
> MKIII/912ULS
> hauck's holler, alabama
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Martin" <kolbdriver@hotmail.com>
Hi John,
Did you just plug your comtronics headset into the DRE intercom or switch to
a DRE headset also?
Don
>From: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR
>Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 04:47:41 -0700
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>
>Lanny and Group,
>
>When I used a Comtronics set, the mic would pick up the sound of the
>engine and put it through the speakers, making it all but impossible to
>communicate. I switched to a DRE intercom and that problem went away.
>It is important to have a unit with a good squelch.
>
>John Jung
>Firestar II N6163J
>Surprise, AZ
>
>On Nov 26, 2005, at 12:56 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
> >
> > Happy Thanksgiving to all, Where do you buy an ANR kit, and do you
> > think it
>will work with a Comtronics dual-com? My set up works well,
>however, there is always the drone of the engine coming through the
>earphones.
>
>
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| Subject: | Bearing Wash-out |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
A while back I posted that Vamoose' oil pressure was over 80 psi, and someone made
a remark about "bearing wash out," I think. Never heard that expression before,
and haven't been able to find anyone around here who has. Could you explain
what you mean by that ?? What causes it, what are the effects, etc. I,
and people I've talked to, seem to feel that the more oil flow the better. Educate
me, please. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Re: Where're You At??/ Spy ware problems |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Carlos" <grageda@innw.net>
Hi All,
Just a word of caution regarding "Frapper". There appears to be spyware
associated with this web site which caused a slowdown of my computer.. I
double checked to be sure and there seems to be a problem at this "Frapper"
site.
I dont know the circumstances of this site as it is new to me. They may have
been infected without their knowledge.
Please advise when this site is safe to visit.
Thanks
Carlos Grageda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl & Mim Zimmerman" <emzi@supernet.com>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 6:51 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Where're You At??
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
>
> For anybody that may have been gone for a few days, we started a Kolb
> family map. Please consider joining us. Thanks! ~ Earl
> http://www.frappr.com/kolbaircraft
>
>
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