Kolb-List Digest Archive

Sun 02/05/06


Total Messages Posted: 22



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:23 AM - Re: spy ware? (Thom Riddle)
     2. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: Entusiastic group (Thom Riddle)
     3. 08:02 AM - pitot static (boyd)
     4. 08:29 AM - Re: Re: Entusiastic group (WillUribe@aol.com)
     5. 09:00 AM - Flying to Mexico (Larry Bourne)
     6. 10:35 AM - Re: Flying to Mexico (WillUribe@aol.com)
     7. 10:35 AM - Re: Bearing Wash-out (JetPilot)
     8. 11:20 AM - Macrem'e 101 , 5 easy steps (planecrazzzy)
     9. 11:21 AM - 10K Club (rlaird)
    10. 11:28 AM - Re: 10K Club (planecrazzzy)
    11. 11:38 AM - Re: Vocations, avocations, and (NOT) CUTTING THREADS IN BOLTS (planecrazzzy)
    12. 11:38 AM - Re: 10K Club (rlaird)
    13. 01:05 PM - Ohio Kolbers (Ralph Hoover)
    14. 01:18 PM - Re: 10K Club (Mike Schnabel)
    15. 01:26 PM - Re: Ohio Kolbers (planecrazzzy)
    16. 01:30 PM - Re: 10K Club (Mike Schnabel)
    17. 01:48 PM - Re: winter flying in Minnesota (Mike Schnabel)
    18. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: Ohio Kolbers (Mike Schnabel)
    19. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: 10K Club (Kolbdriver)
    20. 05:05 PM - re. Entusiastic group (boyd)
    21. 05:23 PM - Re: re. Entusiastic group (Mike Schnabel)
    22. 05:31 PM - Re: How Long Is Your (Pitot) Tube?... (planecrazzzy)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:23:50 AM PST US
    From: Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Re: spy ware?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net> The KOLB group at FRAPPR is a bit slow, I think, because there are so many folks listed there. Look at some of the other groups with far fewer people, and you will see the response time is better. Each of those little flags has data associated with it including photos for some ore perhaps most. I think the software could be written so that all that data is NOT loaded at once but only on demand when clicking on one of the little flags. Thom in Buffalo do not archive


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    Time: 06:26:39 AM PST US
    From: Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Re: Entusiastic group
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net> Pat, In the USA, when most pilots hear the word "caravan" they think of the big Cessna Turboprop. Americans call caravans trailers. This was part of my education in the English language by my English son-in-law who is from Carlisle. We've abused the mother tongue in so many ways that a book could be written on it, and probably already has been. Thom in Buffalo do not archive


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    Time: 08:02:59 AM PST US
    From: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: pitot static
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net> This effect caused a very low and nervous first flight for a friend in his new Mark III. He had mounted a commercial combined static/pitot probe on the front of his nose cone. It was about 6 " long which is more than enough for a wing mounting but in front of the much larger radius nose cone put it in stagnant air. The resulting low pitot pressure had him thinking he was on the verge of stall all the way around the pattern when it turns out he was doing over 80 mph. Tom Kuffel Whitefish, MT Building Original FireStar ----------------- Tom it was good to read your comments. I did about the same thing when I first flew my mklll. As I remember the pitot worked ok but the static pressure was high... by disconnecting the static tube and letting it vent inside the nosecone things were much closer to normal.. I then moved the pitot static tubes to under the nose cone to correct the problem..


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    Time: 08:29:30 AM PST US
    From: WillUribe@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Entusiastic group
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com Pat, I too was thinking you were talking about the Caravan 675 from Cessna. I thought, why don't they just fly them over? After Thom's post it made since you were talking about camper trailers. (http://caravan675.cessna.com/) -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thom Riddle Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 7:26 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Entusiastic group --> Kolb-List message posted by: Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net> Pat, In the USA, when most pilots hear the word "caravan" they think of the big Cessna Turboprop. Americans call caravans trailers. This was part of my education in the English language by my English son-in-law who is from Carlisle. We've abused the mother tongue in so many ways that a book could be written on it, and probably already has been. Thom in Buffalo do not archive


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    Time: 09:00:29 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
    Subject: Flying to Mexico
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> Much as I enjoy fishing and whale watching in Mexico, I'm not sure I want to try flying down there, but at least one long traveling FireStar does. Of course, it may have been trailered, but.............?? Take a look in the new Feb '06 EAA Sport Aviation magazine on page 52. It shows a blue and yellow FireStar (I think) on the airport at Guayabitos, Mexico, near Puerto Vallarta. Any idea who that might be ?? Lar. Do not Archive. P.S. I've gone whale watching in Guerrero Negro, Baja California for the last 6 years in a row at this time. I decided against it this year - been there, done that - but feel a little at a loss, cause it IS a heck of a trip. Take a look on my website under "Traveling." Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com


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    Time: 10:35:02 AM PST US
    From: WillUribe@aol.com
    Subject: Flying to Mexico
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com Hi Larry, I have flow into Mexico and it's not bad at all. It may get a little expensive. Here is a link for a pilot flying into Mexico in a home built, interesting reading. _http://www.rvproject.com/2004_mexico_trip_log.html_ (http://www.rvproject.com/2004_mexico_trip_log.html) Regards, Will Uribe -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bourne Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:00 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Flying to Mexico --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> Much as I enjoy fishing and whale watching in Mexico, I'm not sure I want to try flying down there, but at least one long traveling FireStar does. Of course, it may have been trailered, but.............?? Take a look in the new Feb '06 EAA Sport Aviation magazine on page 52. It shows a blue and yellow FireStar (I think) on the airport at Guayabitos, Mexico, near Puerto Vallarta. Any idea who that might be ?? Lar. Do not Archive. P.S. I've gone whale watching in Guerrero Negro, Baja California for the last 6 years in a row at this time. I decided against it this year - been there, done that - but feel a little at a loss, cause it IS a heck of a trip. Take a look on my website under "Traveling." Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com


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    Time: 10:35:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Bearing Wash-out
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com> That sounds like a pressure releif valve problem. On most engines... The oil pump pumps more oil than the engine can possibly use, and the extra volume of oil is let out the pressure releif valve, and returned to the engine tank. If that valve sticks, or the return is blocked, you oil pressure will go way high and something will blow and you will lose all your oil [Shocked] New bearings, etc should not even have much of effect on the pressure, because if the releif valve is working properly it just returns more oil to the tank and the pressure is keept it at a proper level. Even a blocked passage would not normally result in a higher pressure because the extra oil is just returned to the tank and normal pressure is maintained. A blocked passage is very bad, but the symptom is usually not a high oil pressure. So I would look in other areas before I would tear the engine apart looking for blocked passages. I have never been into a VW engine, the Germans do some wild and crazy engineering that is sometimes very "different", but this is what I have seen with other engines.... Michael A. Bigelow -------- NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10198#10198


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    Time: 11:20:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Macrem'e 101 , 5 easy steps
    From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> Hey guys, I told you the other day that I would take pictures of this.... Some of you guys were interested..... some were interested in knitting jokes.... Anyway, it's easy... You just reverse the knot each time......UNLESS you want it to SPIRAL... But that's a DIFFERENT knot.... I loaded the pictures BACKWARDS....#455 is FIRST....So start at the bottom and work UP... Gotta Fly... Mike in MN ( toasty Garage ) -------- The more people I know.... The more I like MY DOG . . . . .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10207#10207 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00460_160.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00459_103.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00458_146.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00457_203.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00456_159.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00455_211.jpg


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    Time: 11:21:43 AM PST US
    Subject: 10K Club
    From: "rlaird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "rlaird" <rlaird@cavediver.com> Ok, it's an old thread, and I'm sure many will wave it off as "been there, done that", but, yesterday, I joined the 10K Club. Of course, with a 912ULS on my MkIIIc, it's not too difficult. I maintained about 600fpm ascent rate, and I started when I was at about 4000 ft, so it only took me 10 minutes to get up there. As you can see from the picture, I was still climbing, too! The field I was flying out of (7R9) is at 20' MSL, and after my flight I realized I had my baro. press. set wrong, so I actually got to 10230 MSL or 10210 AGL. The view of the Gulf of Mexico was spectacular! Air temp at 10K was about 20 degrees F. -- Robert -------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert Laird MkIIIc/912ULS Houston, TX http://www.Texas-Flyer.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10208#10208


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    Time: 11:28:45 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 10K Club
    From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> Where's the VIEW....I only see the EIS......? . . . . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. The view of the Gulf of Mexico was spectacular! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . . . .. . -------- The more people I know.... The more I like MY DOG . . . . .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10209#10209


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    Time: 11:38:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Vocations, avocations, and (NOT) CUTTING THREADS IN BOLTS
    From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> Sounds to me just like WELDING.....if you leave a "crater crack" at the end of your weld....it can crack down the entire weld..... When "I" cut bolts....I bevel and polish out the ruffness....For what "I" use them for....there's never been a problem.... Like "The Butcher" sez...."worth what ya paid fer it..." Gotta Fly... Mike -------- The more people I know.... The more I like MY DOG . . . . .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10211#10211


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    Time: 11:38:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 10K Club
    From: "rlaird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "rlaird" <rlaird@cavediver.com> The view out the front of the plane... the sliver of land on the left towards the top is the southern end of Galveston Island and San Luis Pass. THe congested area on the right is Freeport, TX. -------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert Laird MkIIIc/912ULS Houston, TX http://www.Texas-Flyer.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10210#10210


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    Time: 01:05:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Ohio Kolbers
    From: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@netzero.com>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@netzero.com> All right Ohio'n, speak-up now or for ever hold your piece! If you live in Ohio or near the edge of Ohio in KY, IN, PA, W Va or Mich, please respond. It appears that a bunch (verses a flock or gander) of the Kolbers meet every year somewhere (besides the Kolb factory) and talk, drink beer, camp out and enjoy each others company. I'd like to do likewise on a smaller scale, as in within say 100-150 miles of central Ohio (as the Kolb flies). I would like to enjoy that air jockey thing that the John's, Lar and others get to enjoy with some frequency on a smaller budget and, because of work related projects, time allows (picture weekends or overnight). I know of a Kolb in Marion, mine in Sunbury, one in Marysville area, one in Fostoria, one in E. Liverpool and thats about it. Are there anymore of you out there. If they don't do this board, does someone know of their wearabouts and a way to contact them. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated and I will keep a (landing) light on for ya! Humble Ralph, son of Ralph the mechanic, in central Ohio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10229#10229


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    Time: 01:18:47 PM PST US
    From: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: 10K Club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com> Robert, I was interested to see your picture from 10k, I have been there but in a commercial airliner! Can not wait to see that view from the Kolb. But where is your picture? It was not attached to the message, and i went to the Texas Flyer site, still could not find. Maybe i need a GPS to navigate the web, that might help me! All kidding aside, would love to see the view, so if you could direct me, i would much appreciate it! Mike S Manchester TN Firestar 2 503 do not archive rlaird <rlaird@cavediver.com> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "rlaird" Ok, it's an old thread, and I'm sure many will wave it off as "been there, done that", but, yesterday, I joined the 10K Club. Of course, with a 912ULS on my MkIIIc, it's not too difficult. I maintained about 600fpm ascent rate, and I started when I was at about 4000 ft, so it only took me 10 minutes to get up there. As you can see from the picture, I was still climbing, too! The field I was flying out of (7R9) is at 20' MSL, and after my flight I realized I had my baro. press. set wrong, so I actually got to 10230 MSL or 10210 AGL. The view of the Gulf of Mexico was spectacular! Air temp at 10K was about 20 degrees F. -- Robert -------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert Laird MkIIIc/912ULS Houston, TX http://www.Texas-Flyer.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10208#10208 ---------------------------------


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    Time: 01:26:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ohio Kolbers
    From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> Doesn't the Frapper map show the "close Kolbs" in your area ? Gotta Fly... PS You were interested in the macreme....now you can see how to do it... -------- The more people I know.... The more I like MY DOG . . . . .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10237#10237


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    Time: 01:30:18 PM PST US
    From: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: 10K Club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com> Oooops,... Robert, forget my last message... I was replying via the "old mail list" where there was no picture attached. I went to the new forum and saw your great photo! AWESOME... thanks for sharing! I have to get used to using the new forum, and leave the past behind (old mail list), but only benefit to the old list, is you get to see ALL the posts without going back and forth from string to string... its a bit on the anal side, but i hate to miss anything that happens on the KOLB list! Mike S Manchester TN Firestar 2 503 do not archive rlaird <rlaird@cavediver.com> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "rlaird" Ok, it's an old thread, and I'm sure many will wave it off as "been there, done that", but, yesterday, I joined the 10K Club. Of course, with a 912ULS on my MkIIIc, it's not too difficult. I maintained about 600fpm ascent rate, and I started when I was at about 4000 ft, so it only took me 10 minutes to get up there. As you can see from the picture, I was still climbing, too! The field I was flying out of (7R9) is at 20' MSL, and after my flight I realized I had my baro. press. set wrong, so I actually got to 10230 MSL or 10210 AGL. The view of the Gulf of Mexico was spectacular! Air temp at 10K was about 20 degrees F. -- Robert -------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert Laird MkIIIc/912ULS Houston, TX http://www.Texas-Flyer.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10208#10208 ---------------------------------


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    Time: 01:48:03 PM PST US
    From: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: winter flying in Minnesota
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com> Ralph, Thanks for sharing the great photos! Sure looked chilly, but from the grins, i think the cold was the last thing anyone worried about! You know, i see a lot of Titan aircraft pics there... after 12 years of delving over which aircraft met my needs the best, the Titan Tornado was second to the Kolb. So you have there my 2 favorite homebuilt aircraft! But as long as Kolbs are flying, i think i will stick with my favorite. But would never refuse a ride in a Tornado II were the chance ever to show itself! Mike S Manchester TN Firestar 2 503 do not archive Ralph <ul15rhb@juno.com> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph" Guys, Here are some pics of winter flying in Minnesota today (2/4/2006). http://frogflyers.com/phpbb/album_cat.php?cat_id=9 Ralph Original Firestar 19 years flying it Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! ---------------------------------


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    Time: 02:09:41 PM PST US
    From: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Ohio Kolbers
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com> The Frappr site will only show the flyers that are registered to the Frapper.com site. I guess there are many (or a few?) who are not registered to Frappr but are on this list. The Matronics list have been around for quite a while (last check, 900 members registered to the Kolb group, sure i guess many are gone, but its only a stat) , the Frappr site is kinda new (4 weeks ago no Kolb members, last check today, its up to 63!) So guess thats why Ohio Kolbers was asking if there were others out there. Gee, I was going to ask the same question about anyone within a few hundred miles of middle Tennessee... so far Frappr.com shows 1 (shout out to Wade), but can he and I be the only 2 Kolbs in the area? I sure hope not! It does not make for a very intersting fly-in if only 2 planes show up! But then again, air traffic control would be a breeze... ;-) So on that thought, any Mid Tennesse Kolbs out there... give out a shout! :-) Oh By The Way MN Mike, thanks for the macreme pics, they were great, and i am not sure if i can use them on my AC, but i rather know i had the option and did not use it VS not know and need it!! Mike S Manchester TN Firestar 2 503 do not archive planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" Doesn't the Frapper map show the "close Kolbs" in your area ? Gotta Fly... PS You were interested in the macreme....now you can see how to do it... -------- The more people I know.... The more I like MY DOG . . . . .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10237#10237 --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with


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    Time: 02:20:57 PM PST US
    From: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
    Subject: Re: 10K Club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com> Robert, That's a good pic of the Brian Mound Strategic Petroleum Reserves... I spent lots of weekends diving the rigs south of Freeport... You can almost see my alma mater. Brazosport High, Class of 83... HOOTIE HOO!!! Congratulations on the 10k club.... Mike Do not Archive.. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rlaird Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 10K Club --> Kolb-List message posted by: "rlaird" <rlaird@cavediver.com> The view out the front of the plane... the sliver of land on the left towards the top is the southern end of Galveston Island and San Luis Pass. THe congested area on the right is Freeport, TX. -------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert Laird MkIIIc/912ULS Houston, TX http://www.Texas-Flyer.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10210#10210


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    Time: 05:05:38 PM PST US
    From: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: re. Entusiastic group
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net> Snip We are academic and student group from the Mechanical University in Macedonia. (Republic of Macedonia) This project is done in close with aero club "SKOPJE". The basic of the project is to expand the knowledge of construction and building to the students and everybody interested in. We are under funded and not able to bye all the necessary materials. Snip In the projects I have been aware of in the university level.. The university has been able to get the information they needed directly from the manufactures of the projects they were interested in.. I am sure part of the procurement process includes statements or legal documents defining the purpose and scope of the project and the assurance that the copyrighted material will not be distributed beyond the group and all members of the group have agreed in writing including non compete wording.. In my opinion the asking of copyrighted information from end users is at least non ethical . this type of information should be requested from the holder of the copyrighted material , or the paten holder. Boyd


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    Time: 05:23:40 PM PST US
    From: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: re. Entusiastic group
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com> Boyd, I AGREE with your assement... completley. Mike S Firestar 2 503 manchester TN do not archive boyd <by0ung@brigham.net> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd" Snip We are academic and student group from the Mechanical University in Macedonia. (Republic of Macedonia) This project is done in close with aero club "SKOPJE". The basic of the project is to expand the knowledge of construction and building to the students and everybody interested in. We are under funded and not able to bye all the necessary materials. Snip In the projects I have been aware of in the university level.. The university has been able to get the information they needed directly from the manufactures of the projects they were interested in.. I am sure part of the procurement process includes statements or legal documents defining the purpose and scope of the project and the assurance that the copyrighted material will not be distributed beyond the group and all members of the group have agreed in writing including non compete wording.. In my opinion the asking of copyrighted information from end users is at least non ethical . this type of information should be requested from the holder of the copyrighted material , or the paten holder. Boyd ---------------------------------


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    Time: 05:31:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: How Long Is Your (Pitot) Tube?...
    From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> Looks like the one I have is about the same lenght....where do you have your static port...that's usually where the problem is... http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/pitot_tube_extended.jpg http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/pitot_tube_with_flag.jpg My pitot just pushes "in"....when I pull it "out" I slide the "fuel line tubing" piece to hold it out... and it's flexable when it's pushed in.... Gotta Fly... Mike in MN ( half time is over ) -------- The more people I know.... The more I like MY DOG . . . . .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=10274#10274 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00451_209.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00449_110.jpg




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