---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/17/06: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:13 AM - Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? (John Bickham) 2. 01:40 AM - Re: Fuel Line Bubbles (John Bickham) 3. 06:41 AM - flugtag (robert bean) 4. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (flht99reh) 5. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (flht99reh) 6. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (Robert Laird) 7. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (ray anderson) 8. 08:19 AM - Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (flht99reh) 9. 08:24 AM - Firestar tail question (Richard Pike) 10. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (flht99reh) 11. 08:42 AM - Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (John Hauck) 12. 08:45 AM - Re: flugtag (flht99reh) 13. 11:49 AM - Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (flht99reh) 14. 11:56 AM - Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (Robert Laird) 15. 12:06 PM - Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 16. 12:18 PM - Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (flht99reh) 17. 12:46 PM - Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (flht99reh) 18. 02:15 PM - Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (David Lehman) 19. 02:18 PM - Control Surface Flutter ???? (Martin Burns) 20. 02:52 PM - towers (Terry Frantz) 21. 02:52 PM - Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? (Richard Pike) 22. 03:24 PM - Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 23. 03:57 PM - Re: Firestar tail question (Richard Swiderski) 24. 05:22 PM - Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (Jim Baker) 25. 05:38 PM - Re: towers (Steven Green) 26. 06:06 PM - Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (flht99reh) 27. 06:23 PM - Re: flugtag (Larry Bourne) 28. 07:02 PM - Mark III extra 3 versions? (David Key) 29. 07:32 PM - Re: towers (Charlie England) 30. 08:16 PM - Re: Firestar tail question (Richard Pike) 31. 08:50 PM - Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (Jim Baker) 32. 09:30 PM - Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (Jim Baker) 33. 09:32 PM - Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! (Jim Baker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:23 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? From: "John Bickham" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Bickham" Experienced my one and only flutter on my third test flight. That was plenty for me. The ailerons on my Mark III went into serious flutter when I reached about 72 MPH indicated. It happens very quickly and can be a bit violent. The five seconds it took to recognize the problem, reduce power and climb a bit to bleed off speed was way to long when the whole plane is shaking. One might think that a firm grip on the stick could bring the flutter under control. Not so. Something is going to break if you try to stop it. Your arm or metal. It is very powerful and will scare the *#%$ out of you. Ordered the counterbalances that day. Kept flying till installed, just stayed away from that speed. No problem since, at or above that speed. As far as the extra weight. I had none. I did use Aerothane which is a bit heavier. -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C Using my Repairman Certificate St. Francisville, LA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=12824#12824 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:15 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel Line Bubbles From: "John Bickham" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Bickham" Hey Ron, I had a similar experience with my 912/EIS. I'm just throwing this out for you to consider. I had the same problem. Low pressure alarms. Couldn't find the problem. Went looking for vapor lock, etc. Put fire sleeve on lines, rerouted, pull hair out, and on and on. It ended up being my radio!!!!! [Shocked] My antenea wire and some of the wires from the EIS sensors shared about 12" in the nose cone. Weird thing is that it never happened on the ground. Not sure why that was. It always happened at the same place, and power settings as I made calls for the pattern. Seperated the wires and no more fuel pressure problems. Boy did I feel dumb. Just might want to consider that if you run out of ideas on the little bubbles. -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C Using my Repairman Certificate St. Francisville, LA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=12825#12825 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:13 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: flugtag --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Too dangerous to go outdoors today without an anchor. watch some daring aviators at: http://www.redbullflugtagusa.com/ click the full event -BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:05 AM PST US From: "flht99reh" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" Please reread my post! Your chart if it were in Ohio would be no guarantee! Especially if the lights out, as I stated or it wasn't on the chart in the first place, as stated (new) or it was located new near an existing tower. Bad Ralph from Ohio -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of planecrazzzy Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:53 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" I was taught to fly with "current" Charts.....They give the Safe alt to fly in any area....and they also have the towers on them... Gotta Fly... -------- The more people I know.... The more I like MY DOG .. .. .. .. .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=12759#12759 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:37 AM PST US From: "flht99reh" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" That was part of what I was trying to convey in my post. The chart is the best we have available, but no guarantee. And if your craft or someone's did hit a tower, I guess it would be your burden to prove it wasn't on the chart, you couldn't see it, no one could see it, it wasn't lit! I agree wit you. But you at least found out who was the responsible Gov org to contact. Unless you are able to walk up to a tower and get its 'Tower number" even if you contacted the official party in charge, you would need give them the Lat & Lon or the Tower number. Still no guarantee since they are only a Government 'Suggesting" authority in the instance of towers. Ralph of Ohio -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kolbdriver Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:08 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" When I was training for my PPL there were a "cluster" of towers between two airports we frequented, it took NOAA almost 2 years to get the towers on the charts.... That was in the 80's "current" is relative I guess.... -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of planecrazzzy Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:53 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" I was taught to fly with "current" Charts.....They give the Safe alt to fly in any area....and they also have the towers on them... Gotta Fly... -------- The more people I know.... The more I like MY DOG .. .. .. .. .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=12759#12759 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:52 AM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird NOTAMs are _supposed_ to provide up-to-the-minute (well, day, anyway) info on towers, and are best searched for by airport identifier... for example, when I looked at the NOTAMs for my home airport, I saw this: TOWER 440 (375 AGL) 12 E LGTS OTS (ASR 1048128) WIE UNTIL 25 FEB 22:30 But, as everyone has noted, you can't rely on this or any other method than "see and avoid". Basically, you want to tool around in the airspace, you need to keep your eyes open for other objects in that same space. There is no other guaranteed method. -- Robert On 2/17/06, flht99reh wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" > > That was part of what I was trying to convey in my post. The chart is the > best we have available, but no guarantee. And if your craft or someone's > did > hit a tower, I guess it would be your burden to prove it wasn't on the > chart, you couldn't see it, no one could see it, it wasn't lit! I agree > wit > you. But you at least found out who was the responsible Gov org to > contact. > Unless you are able to walk up to a tower and get its 'Tower number" even > if > you contacted the official party in charge, you would need give them the > Lat > & Lon or the Tower number. Still no guarantee since they are only a > Government 'Suggesting" authority in the instance of towers. > > Ralph of Ohio > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:42 AM PST US From: ray anderson Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson Nothing tops a swiveling head in the cockpit. do not archive flht99reh wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" Please reread my post! Your chart if it were in Ohio would be no guarantee! Especially if the lights out, as I stated or it wasn't on the chart in the first place, as stated (new) or it was located new near an existing tower. Bad Ralph from Ohio -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of planecrazzzy Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:53 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" I was taught to fly with "current" Charts.....They give the Safe alt to fly in any area....and they also have the towers on them... Gotta Fly... -------- The more people I know.... The more I like MY DOG .. .. .. .. .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=12759#12759 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:14 AM PST US From: "flht99reh" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" " So what you really want is MORE regulation, right?" Do you work for the Tower Company? The reason I ask is that any sound American enjoying the fruits of our labor and struggling to make ends meet (there's a clash) knows that all we need is ONE MORE STINKING RULE! No sir, I want less regulations, but for the regulations that are in place, how much more would it take to do the job right? Government is the mouth without the teeth in this instance! "What-ya-gonna-do, gum me?" FAA says our job is safety for the air. Tower people say our job is to put up towers cheaply where ever we want, with the least amount or federacy intervention. One is our representative the other is big business getting bigger. And how long do you believe our freedom of "free" flight would continue if we all went banging into towers and the fact that they couldn't be seen is your problem. Cause after all "no body told you to fly those dangerous things in the first place". One more freedom and right down the tube. (I came from the Harley hardcore world and Ohio didn't have a helmet law and all these nice people driving their nice SUV's with their kids running around in the vehicle un restrained wanted me to wear a helmet for my safety, because when they hit me I could live in a vegetated state in a bell jar in a hospital lots longer since I had a helmet on, go figure...another story). "Somebody out there slap me"! I would love to leave it to common sense. I would love to say "uncle sugar" please keep out of our sandbox. I would love to know that every time I went flying that everything was in place to make that particular trip enjoyable because there is nothing out there to bother me "IF" I maintain my equipment and self in the best order possible, however preparing for the worst if I can see it. I feel that your rights end when they interfere in my rights. And until someone tells me that I no longer have that right, or that my right and your right can co-exist without any more degrading of my rights as they are in place, you as the tower man, the regulating Government body over the tower man, or the owner of the tower have a total responsibility to make every attempt to make my existing space unencumbered. But I guess I live in a bubble of unreality and that by clicking my heals three times it won't make the problem go away. As I would fight to maintain my right to bear arms, continue to stand for this nation in time of war, continue to stand to maintain to the last dying breath, your rights in this nation, I would also stand to make responsible parties become responsible! Come-on Toto, were goin-a-go tin man hunting! Off to see the wizard...Ralph of Ohio -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eugene Zimmerman Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:58 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman So what you really want is MORE regulation, right? What ever you do ,,,,,,,,,, please do not archive On Feb 16, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Ralph Hoover wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" > > > Towers, no not the ones that are at the airports, but the ones > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:02 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar tail question --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike One of our locals has an older Firestar, about an 1988 model, and he recently had to repair the lower tailwheel section under the tail, the tailwheel diagonal strut had corroded badly due to the area having no vent holes. He is repairing it and has said that he does not intend to recover it, but leave it open. We talked about this and it came up that not covering it may be a poor idea inasmuch as this section probably adds to the total vertical tail surface area, and the airplane may be somewhat less directionally stable without this area covered. Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of this that I can pass on to him? Thanks Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:17 AM PST US From: "flht99reh" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" WELL......................................I.................never......! Sorry, I looked everywhere I could and all I found was what I shared and a letter to the save the bird people from the FAA stating that they "can't and don't regulate but only suggest", regarding towers. Man, do I feel in the crapper with this one. I tell-ya-kids, anyone that doesn't think this is the best informed most polite aviation site on the internet is missing the plane. See, you didn't say "you stupid idiot" or" you ignorant twit" or any of the other great one-liners that would have been exuded by the world when the vultures see a limping rat on the ground. Thank you. Because of your kind response of correction out of love, I have moved your name to the list previously shared by John Houck and Pat from over there. And to the board, I apologize for my ignorance, but thank you for your input , now I'm going out and find my battery operated suicide kit, and practice (gonna remove the battery)! HA, HA! -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Williamson Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:10 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Hi Ralph, You must be having one of those days! The requirements for marking, painting and lighting of towers is very specific. The FCC is the controlling authority: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/policy/dtv/lighting.html http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_05/47cfr17_05.html The FAA has several Advisory Circulars that cover the subject and are made binding by the FCC: http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular .nsf/0/736f762742f45ab9862569ee0077ef5e/$FILE/AC70-7460-1K.pdf http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular .nsf/0/fd38311187c8a5da86256c690074ffda/$FILE/150-5345-43e.pdf If you go to these links and do the reading, you will have way more knowledge that needed by a pilot. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=12794#12794 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:03 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Towers are like trees and power lines. Lots more trees and power lines, although it seems towers are gaining on them. Folks fly into trees and power lines all the time. Occasionally, they fly into towers, most often, I would guess, during IMC flight. I do a lot of flying, the majority, in the realm of the tower. I prefer flying lower, rather than higher. I know better than put all my confidence in a sectional chart or the obstacle avoidance feature which is new to my Garmin 196 GPS. The reason is all towers don't get put on the sectionals or the obstacle avoidance system. It is the one that gets forgotten that will get me. As Ray Anderson says, "Keep your head on a swivel." I like the new obstacle avoidance feature. It is a big help keeping me clear of towers. However, every once in a while I will detect a tower that is not showing on the display. If is is close by my line of flight it send a chill down my spine. That is the scary one. Local area flying, if you fly often enough, you can keep up with what is and what isn't in your area. Cross country flying is another ball game when it comes to towers. john h MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:17 AM PST US From: "flht99reh" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flugtag --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" Robert, how could you possibly say " Too dangerous to go outdoors today without an anchor." And then send us to that site? After seeing what these guys did, I'm going out and fly off my roof without the Kolb into that wind. Thing how much I could save without fuel, hanger, parts, repairs, insurance, brains, etc! Thanks for the site; I needed that after my previous post. Numb Ralph of Ohio -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert bean Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: Kolb-List: flugtag --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Too dangerous to go outdoors today without an anchor. watch some daring aviators at: http://www.redbullflugtagusa.com/ click the full event -BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:29 AM PST US From: "flht99reh" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" John, I'm glad you responded. The more I learn about flying, charts, air speed, instrumentation, clouds, altitude and wind the greater my appreciation grows for those of you that do some distance flying on a somewhat regular basis. As a humble man that you are, I appreciate the ways that you present your position on issues, that's why you're at the top as the reference point to compare others responses. I look at my local chart which because of my particular location (Columbus Ohio area) requires two sectional maps and my head swims. I don't profess to grasp as much as I used to in my youth, yet I'm still open minded enough to be willing to swallow my pride and learn from others, therefore, there is hope. I want to absorb as much information from people like yourself as possible because it does reduce the growth cycle time, even though personal experience stays longer, entrenches deeper and is a better testimony than telling someone that "someone else told me so". Like John Williamson's response to me on the tower issue, or Ray Andersons about the swiveling head (I seem to have a bobbing head at times), or Robert Laird and the NOTAM's (wish I could afford some of these goodies), or even Michael Sharps off site e-mail, all helpful, informative and educational, and funny. And all out of kindness and love and respect. There is something about talking with men that have been in the trenches that makes getting into the trenches a lot easier. It is about the sharing of wisdom, mistakes, pictures, fun and problems that help grow a sport, hobby, or interest to a point that others want to be a part of it. That is what you John and so many others like you do and because of individuals like Matt did in putting this site together, which make this one of the fastest growing closest knit bunch (verses gander) of flier sites around. Thank you all. Ohio Ralph -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Towers are like trees and power lines. Lots more trees and power lines, although it seems towers are gaining on them. Folks fly into trees and power lines all the time. Occasionally, they fly into towers, most often, I would guess, during IMC flight. I do a lot of flying, the majority, in the realm of the tower. I prefer flying lower, rather than higher. I know better than put all my confidence in a sectional chart or the obstacle avoidance feature which is new to my Garmin 196 GPS. The reason is all towers don't get put on the sectionals or the obstacle avoidance system. It is the one that gets forgotten that will get me. As Ray Anderson says, "Keep your head on a swivel." I like the new obstacle avoidance feature. It is a big help keeping me clear of towers. However, every once in a while I will detect a tower that is not showing on the display. If is is close by my line of flight it send a chill down my spine. That is the scary one. Cross country flying is another ball game when it comes to towers. john h MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:45 AM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird On 2/17/06, flht99reh wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" > > or Robert Laird and the NOTAM's > (wish I could afford some of these goodies) No cost involved... go to: http://www.faa.gov/ntap/ -- Robert ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:34 PM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Ralph, A couple of years ago when Copperstate was being held at Phoenix Regional Airport, I complained to the management about a high (?) tower located a relatively short distance from the field and it had no lights. It sure seemed to me that a tower that high should have a strobe or something on it. T'wernt nothin they could do about it. Seems to me that its an accident/lawsuit waiting to happen. AzDave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Hoover" > > I would really like some feedback here and If the FAA is reading; your > advise, wisdom, input would be very welcome. And if youre a bird lover, Im > sure we can do some multi billion dollar study that would determine bird > species in the tower area, their level of color perception and without > eliminating the ability on the part of us fliers, produce the flashing > blinking light in a mutually satisfactory color. > > Ralph of Ohiogood or bad! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=12720#12720 > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:17 PM PST US From: "flht99reh" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" Sorry, Robert, I was not think of the NOTAM's, but of one of the gauges, I believe transponder signal device, or something in the instrument panel on more elaborate planes that pings your position to the airport tower. Right after I sent it out I recalled that the day before I was on that particular site. Thanks again. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Laird Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:56 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird On 2/17/06, flht99reh wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" > > or Robert Laird and the NOTAM's > (wish I could afford some of these goodies) No cost involved... go to: http://www.faa.gov/ntap/ -- Robert Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:43 PM PST US From: "flht99reh" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" Dave that was the initial reason for my post. Within 5 miles of my home in Central Ohio off a major state highway there is an airport, private, but none the less airport.(Chapman Field, Centerburg Ohio). Within a couple of miles at most there are towers ranging from 500 feet (guesstimate) to 12-15,00 feet. Some blink always, some I have never observed blink. Why is this and who do I ask? That's was my initial search. Now I know that if you see a tower that you know has always been blinking and isn't, and you can get up near it and get the tower number, you can contact FAA or FCC or the tower owner. And if it is writing, they (the tower owner) have a specific amount of time to respond to an agency indicating their acknowledgment of being advised and that they: are, have, or will fix it. And that for every day it is not fixed, they are subject to a fine. I would also assume (fool that I may be) that if an accident should occur, and that accident prove to be directly related to the blinking out, who takes the responsibility. I'm not looking to find a guilty party here. I'm not a lawyer. I am an individual concerned with so many places in the world where people, places and things "fall thru the cracks"! If it were clear and concise that all towers over xxx feet are lit 24/7 , and if that "lit" were blinking, constant, aimed up and out not down like a pick-up truck on your bumper, I believe everyone could live with that. I'm not professing to be qualified to know as much as the experts, but complexity requires experts, pages and pages of description and explanation and my way is short, sweet and simple. A one page proposal requiring no complexity, thereby no experts and of course no lawyers. That would probably be its downfall. Certainly lumen candle power, flash rate and a few other things would need to be established, but basically quite simple. But still we have no idea why three towers near me, of differing heights, and some blink, some don't some during the day but others not. And even in the information so far described to me, I still don't see an explanation to the reason why some blink and some don't Ohio Ralph -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave & Eve Pelletier Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Ralph, A couple of years ago when Copperstate was being held at Phoenix Regional Airport, I complained to the management about a high (?) tower located a relatively short distance from the field and it had no lights. It sure seemed to me that a tower that high should have a strobe or something on it. T'wernt nothin they could do about it. Seems to me that its an accident/lawsuit waiting to happen. AzDave > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=12720#12720 > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:08 PM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" Ralph... The FAA entity with that responsibility is the Airports Division... I don't know what office has responsibility for your particular area, but you can call your local FSDO and they'll give you a contact number... Years ago, I ferried a Great Lakes biplane from Galesburg, IL to Spokane, WA at low altitude, I was blown away at the number and height of transmission towers... Pretty ominous... David On 2/17/06, flht99reh wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" > > Dave that was the initial reason for my post. Within 5 miles of my home in > Central Ohio off a major state highway there is an airport, private, but > none the less airport.(Chapman Field, Centerburg Ohio). Within a couple of > miles at most there are towers ranging from 500 feet (guesstimate) to > 12-15,00 feet. Some blink always, some I have never observed blink. Why is > this and who do I ask? That's was my initial search. Now I know that if > you > see a tower that you know has always been blinking and isn't, and you can > get up near it and get the tower number, you can contact FAA or FCC or the > tower owner. And if it is writing, they (the tower owner) have a specific > amount of time to respond to an agency indicating their acknowledgment of > being advised and that they: are, have, or will fix it. And that for every > day it is not fixed, they are subject to a fine. I would also assume (fool > that I may be) that if an accident should occur, and that accident prove > to > be directly related to the blinking out, who takes the responsibility. I'm > not looking to find a guilty party here. I'm not a lawyer. I am an > individual concerned with so many places in the world where people, places > and things "fall thru the cracks"! > > If it were clear and concise that all towers over xxx feet are lit 24/7 , > and if that "lit" were blinking, constant, aimed up and out not down like > a > pick-up truck on your bumper, I believe everyone could live with that. I'm > not professing to be qualified to know as much as the experts, but > complexity requires experts, pages and pages of description and > explanation > and my way is short, sweet and simple. A one page proposal requiring no > complexity, thereby no experts and of course no lawyers. That would > probably > be its downfall. Certainly lumen candle power, flash rate and a few other > things would need to be established, but basically quite simple. But still > we have no idea why three towers near me, of differing heights, and some > blink, some don't some during the day but others not. And even in the > information so far described to me, I still don't see an explanation to > the > reason why some blink and some don't > > Ohio Ralph > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave & Eve > Pelletier > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:05 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" > > > Ralph, > > A couple of years ago when Copperstate was being held at Phoenix > Regional Airport, I complained to the management about a high (?) tower > located a relatively short distance from the field and it had no > lights. It > > sure seemed to me that a tower that high should have a strobe or something > on it. T'wernt nothin they could do about it. Seems to me that its an > accident/lawsuit waiting to happen. > > AzDave > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D12720#12720 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- =F4=BF=F4 "I started with nothing... And I still have most of it left!"... ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:30 PM PST US From: "Martin Burns" Subject: Kolb-List: Control Surface Flutter ???? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Martin Burns" We too have experienced aileron flutter on our Mark IIIC, well below Vne. Can anyone tell me more about the counterbalances available for the ailerons and how they are fitted? Martin Burns Scotland Do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:14 PM PST US From: Terry Frantz Subject: Kolb-List: towers --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Frantz While we all complain about the intrusion of all of the cell phone towers, most everyone is more than ready to make use of the cell phone service they provide with few exceptions. Sad when you consider how obsolete this technology really is! There was an individual who was advanced enough to promote the use of satellites for this purpose and was actively pursuing funding to set up a network of satellites to accomplish this. The big boy communication companies saw this as a threat and undermined his ability to secure funding to do so. They had their moneys already invested in a low tech solution that we all have to deal with. So here we are with a technology that will be replaced in the near future with satellites and I guarantee you the towers will be left there to rot as unsightly reminders of excess and still obstacles to air navigation. But in the meantime they serve the never ending demands of the current generation for mindless blabber's!! You as taxpayers will ultimately be saddled with the bill to tear them down or watch them collapse. Remember when you use your cell phone they make it possible!!!!!!!!! Isn't the me generation great!!!!!!! Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:14 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Control Surface Flutter ???? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Email New Kolb Co. and ask them, they will be glad to sell you a pair. They slide into the aileron main tube and are riveted in place. They have a sliding counter weight that you can slide in and out until the ailerons are content to lay in neutral. (Disconnect the control rods first) Then rivet the slider in place. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Martin Burns wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Martin Burns" > > We too have experienced aileron flutter on our Mark IIIC, well below Vne. > Can anyone tell me more about the counterbalances available for the ailerons > and how they are fitted? > > Martin Burns > Scotland > > Do not archive > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:08 PM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Control Surface Flutter ???? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Be careful if you rivet in place. I put counter weights on my Firestar then (DUH!) they stuck up too high with the wings folded to get in the trailer. (I trailered mine all the time.) So un-riveted and put in a 3/16" (I think) bolt so the counterweights could slide in the tube for storage. Worked fine. AzDave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Control Surface Flutter ???? > They slide into the aileron main tube and are riveted in place. They > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:06 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firestar tail question --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" Richard P, I have read in several places that, that area of the vertical stab under the horizontal stab is vital to spin control/recovery. I certainly do not know if homer had that intention in creating that area, but it theoretically has a purpose. -richard swiderski -----Original Message----- --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike One of our locals has an older Firestar, about an 1988 model, and he recently had to repair the lower tailwheel section under the tail, the tailwheel diagonal strut had corroded badly due to the area having no vent holes. He is repairing it and has said that he does not intend to recover it, but leave it open. We talked about this and it came up that not covering it may be a poor idea inasmuch as this section probably adds to the total vertical tail surface area, and the airplane may be somewhat less directionally stable without this area covered. Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of this that I can pass on to him? Thanks Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:44 PM PST US From: "Jim Baker" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" > If it were clear and concise that all towers over xxx feet are lit > 24/7 , and if that "lit" were blinking, constant, aimed up and out not > down like a pick-up truck on your bumper, I believe everyone could > live with that. I'm not professing to be qualified to know as much as > the experts, but complexity requires experts, pages and pages of > description and explanation and my way is short, sweet and simple. http://tinyurl.com/do6pr Is this the simplicity you're looking for? 47 CFR part 17 Jim Baker 580.788.2779 '71 SV, 492TC Elmore City, OK ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:56 PM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: towers --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steven Green" I would gladly give up cell phones to eliminate the towers that clutter the tops of otherwise beautiful mountains and ridges. I normally fly at altitudes that are well above the tops of the towers so they are normally not a problem to aviation. I just hate to see them appearing on top of every ridge in sight. do not archive Steven > Remember when you use your cell phone they make it possible!!!!!!!!! > > Isn't the me generation great!!!!!!! > > Terry - FireFly #95 > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:14 PM PST US From: "flht99reh" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" Jim, Thank you. And YES! Someone else got me there before you. But again, read that whole thing (the site you sent me to) and tell me: "why some blink regardless of size and are or are not lit during the day and or night and may be next to several others ones shorter or taller that are or are not blinking"! That's all I need now, or for that matter in the beginning of this thread. As the battery bunny commercial says "still working"! Only I'm still searching..for that one final answer. They made the rules and even they do not get to know the answer! Cornfused Ralph in Ohio! -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Baker Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:20 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" > If it were clear and concise that all towers over xxx feet are lit > 24/7 , and if that "lit" were blinking, constant, aimed up and out not > down like a pick-up truck on your bumper, I believe everyone could > live with that. I'm not professing to be qualified to know as much as > the experts, but complexity requires experts, pages and pages of > description and explanation and my way is short, sweet and simple. http://tinyurl.com/do6pr Is this the simplicity you're looking for? 47 CFR part 17 Jim Baker 580.788.2779 '71 SV, 492TC Elmore City, OK ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:55 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flugtag --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Sure looks like fun, don't it ?? Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bean" Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:39 AM Subject: Kolb-List: flugtag > --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean > > Too dangerous to go outdoors today without an anchor. > > watch some daring aviators at: > http://www.redbullflugtagusa.com/ > > click the full event > > -BB do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:15 PM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III extra 3 versions? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" How many Mark III extras are there? Seems like someone said three with different size stabs? How can I tell which is what version and which version is better? Thanks, David Key ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:24 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: towers --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England Terry Frantz wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Frantz > >While we all complain about the intrusion of all of the cell phone >towers, most everyone is more than ready to make use of the cell phone >service they provide with few exceptions. > >Sad when you consider how obsolete this technology really is! There was >an individual who was advanced enough to promote the use of satellites >for this purpose and was actively pursuing funding to set up a network >of satellites to accomplish this. The big boy communication companies >saw this as a threat and undermined his ability to secure funding to do >so. They had their moneys already invested in a low tech solution that >we all have to deal with. > >So here we are with a technology that will be replaced in the near >future with satellites and I guarantee you the towers will be left there >to rot as unsightly reminders of excess and still obstacles to air >navigation. But in the meantime they serve the never ending demands of >the current generation for mindless blabber's!! You as taxpayers will >ultimately be saddled with the bill to tear them down or watch them >collapse. > >Remember when you use your cell phone they make it possible!!!!!!!!! > >Isn't the me generation great!!!!!!! > >Terry - FireFly #95 > No doubt we all will eventually be using some form of Sat. phones, but at present there's no way to have enough bandwidth to achieve what you mention. The reason there are so many towers is so that the same frequencies at extremely low power can be used on every tower to allow thousands to talk on the same freqs. BTW, I agree with your general attitude about them. The only cell phone we own is a prepaid model my wife carries for emergency use. Unlit tower issue: you need to find the owner of the tower (likely not the cell company). Most are pretty sensitive to safety issues because of liability. If there's one near an airport that's registered with the FAA, mentioning it to them might well get a response even if they aren't required to do anything. Charlie ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:14 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar tail question --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Thanks, I passed that info on to the owner of the Firestar. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive Richard Swiderski wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" > > Richard P, > I have read in several places that, that area of the vertical stab > under the horizontal stab is vital to spin control/recovery. I certainly do > not know if homer had that intention in creating that area, but it > theoretically has a purpose. -richard swiderski > > > -----Original Message----- > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > One of our locals has an older Firestar, about an 1988 model, and he > recently had to repair the lower tailwheel section under the tail, the > tailwheel diagonal strut had corroded badly due to the area having no > vent holes. He is repairing it and has said that he does not intend to > recover it, but leave it open. We talked about this and it came up that > not covering it may be a poor idea inasmuch as this section probably > adds to the total vertical tail surface area, and the airplane may be > somewhat less directionally stable without this area covered. > > Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of this that I can pass on to him? > > Thanks > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:12 PM PST US From: "Jim Baker" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" > again, read that whole thing (the site you sent me to) and tell me: > "why some blink regardless of size and are or are not lit during the > day and or night and may be next to several others ones shorter or > taller that are or are not blinking"! That's all I need now I generally geyt paid to do research for other folks....but, what the hey...... AC 70/7460-1K 56. GROUP OF OBSTRUCTIONS When individual objects, except wind turbines, within a group of obstructions are not the same height and are spaced a maximum of (XXX) apart, the prominent objects within the group should be lighted in accordance with the standards for individual obstructions of a corresponding height. If the outer structure is shorter than the prominent, the outer structure should be lighted in accordance with the standards for individual obstructions of a corresponding height. Light units should be placed to ensure that the light is visible to a pilot approaching from any direction. In addition, at least one flashing beacon should be installed at the top of a prominent center obstruction or on a special tower located near the center of the group. Betcha the FAA/FCC has bought off on the group scenario. The XXX in the above is mine since various lighting types have different standards, and even within the same lighting type, depending on heights involved. Jim Baker 580.788.2779 '71 SV, 492TC Elmore City, OK ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:48 PM PST US From: "Jim Baker" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" Forgot to add... http://tinyurl.com/acx72 and http://tinyurl.com/9xpsy There may be unregistered structures involved as well. I haven't found the cutoff data/date or anything definitive but get the impression that there wasn't a big push to get these structures registerd except to get a "No Hazard" determination from the FAA. The FCC controls the radiation of signal, not the reception of signal for the FAA would be the sole arbiter in reception structure cases. Anyway, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it... ; ) Jim Baker 580.788.2779 '71 SV, 492TC Elmore City, OK ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:14 PM PST US From: "Jim Baker" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" Ahhh....strike that crap about reception/transmission......had a mind fart there.... Jim Baker 580.788.2779 '71 SV, 492TC Elmore City, OK