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1. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? (ray anderson)
2. 07:14 AM - Re: towers (Charlie England)
3. 07:44 AM - Re: towers (flht99reh)
4. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? (ray anderson)
5. 08:00 AM - Kolb airfoil (Herb Gayheart)
6. 08:20 AM - Re: Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? (flht99reh)
7. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? (Mike Schnabel)
8. 11:25 AM - Re: towers (Mike Schnabel)
9. 12:11 PM - Re: Kolb-List Blade tracking (DAquaNut@aol.com)
10. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Blade tracking (Eugene Zimmerman)
11. 02:15 PM - Immortal words (Kirk Smith)
12. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? aka voting for pres. (Robert Noyer)
13. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: Un-Controlled Surface Chatter ? (Richard Swiderski)
14. 09:15 PM - Re: Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? aka voting for pres. (Jim Baker)
15. 10:15 PM - best price on 503 (Larry Cottrell)
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| Subject: | Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Been flying since 1935, owned 16 different types of aircraft and never, never heard
or seen a case of control flutter caused by a trim tab, usually weighing
maybe a half ounce loosening. I've used dozens and dozens, had some loosen over
time and never seen a problem. I'll concede there may be cases of large motor
driven types, with heavy installation on the trailing edge causing problems,
never used that type, but a small thin tab, I don't think so. I've been proven
wrong about a lot of things in 88 years so take it for what it might be
worth.
Ray .. down to a non fluttering UltraStar
Tennessee
do not archive
JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot"
<<After reading what everyone had to say I did a bunch of research on the net and
read about a lot of cases of flutter caused by loose trim tabs, etc. etc. [Shocked]
The more I read the more adding trim tabs scares me.... >>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=13251#13251
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
The sad thing is, the core issue isn't 'partisan'. There are astounding
parallels between the Johnson administration in the '60s & the current
administration. Bottom line: you can *never* trust *any* government, as
our founding fathers clearly understood but we have forgotten.
You don't have to wait for Ms Clinton for your fears of privacy invasion
to be realized. The current one (or at least their computers) is
listening to all of our phone calls now (read up on the NSA controversy
& understand what's between the lines), they have gathered info on tens
of thousands of Americans without warrants using 'national security
letters' (does anyone believe that there are tens of thousands of
Americans in this country who are terrorists?), the FBI paid visits to
members of antiwar groups prior to the last Republican convention &
tried to intimidate them into staying away, the FCC is floating a
proposal right now to require all handlers of data, meaning internet
providers, phone companies, etc, to provide a 'back door' into all their
switches & routers so that the Justice Dept can eavesdrop at will, etc
etc etc.
Be afraid. Be Very Afraid.
Ed Chmielewski wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
>
>Please gents, spare the partisan politicking. If the present prez were such
>a wunderkind, he would repeal all these 'onerous' regs. IMO, he's the worst
>prez ever, but you don't hear me whining ad nauseum about it (til it gets
>unbearable like now). Is it me, or has the tower thread pony been flailed
>enough?
>
>Do not archive.
>
>Ed in JXN
>MkII/503
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:30 AM
>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: towers
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
>>
>>Now Ted, that really scares me and I'm sure when MZ. Clinton wins election
>>two terms out (cause, well we seem to forget the past only weeks ago, and
>>she seems so sincere), she will be able to mount the additional "big
>>brother" cameras on each one of them as an added bonus to the tax payers.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TRCowan
>>Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:05 AM
>>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Kolb-List: towers
>>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: TRCowan <tc1917@direcway.com>
>>
>>jest a few cents worth. if ya think ya gotta problem now, just wait. the
>>mindless powers that be back in the clinton admin, signed into law the
>>ability or the probability of the hd tv towers. yep, those can go up
>>higher
>>
>>
>>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
In the immortal words of one of my positing predecessors: " If ya don't like
something on the web, its your right as a free citizen to turn another
channel". Now if you look how this site is laid out, you will quickly note
(or perhaps not) that it is entitled 'blinking and flashing flashing and
blinking". If you also note it is about towers. If you don't want to read
about towers or blinking and flashing, do not click on any of the messages!
That's what's referred to as "democracy" not be associated in any way with
democrats! And if you don't like a political pun, ignore it. I've had to for
both trips of your man(?). Now go fly or something. And "ONE post" about a
family member of a x-pres does not make a wining thread, typical demo##$%#%!
Politically correct Ralph in Ohio
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Chmielewski
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: towers
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Please gents, spare the partisan politicking. If the present prez were such
a wunderkind, he would repeal all these 'onerous' regs. IMO, he's the worst
prez ever, but you don't hear me whining ad nauseum about it (til it gets
unbearable like now). Is it me, or has the tower thread pony been flailed
enough?
Do not archive.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: towers
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
>
> Now Ted, that really scares me and I'm sure when MZ. Clinton wins election
> two terms out (cause, well we seem to forget the past only weeks ago, and
> she seems so sincere), she will be able to mount the additional "big
> brother" cameras on each one of them as an added bonus to the tax payers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TRCowan
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:05 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: towers
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: TRCowan <tc1917@direcway.com>
>
> jest a few cents worth. if ya think ya gotta problem now, just wait. the
> mindless powers that be back in the clinton admin, signed into law the
> ability or the probability of the hd tv towers. yep, those can go up
> higher
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Hey guys, we may be getting into dangerous ground here. I'm sure there are Kolbers
on both sides of the fence here with sincere and firm convictions in each
view. An example is me. I'm so conservative I though Barry Goldwater was a flaming
liberal. I'm surrounded by children and grandchildren who are 'yellow dog
democrats'. We have an understanding that we don't get into political discussions
around each other. My ties to the Republican party go back to ole Abe Lincoln.
My grandfather, yes my grandfather, voted for Abe back in Baltimore before
the 'late unpleasantness'. My fathers father was a damn Yankee living there
and enlisted in the Union Army and fought through the war before becoming a
'carpetbagger' and moving to Noth Carolina, where be met my grandmother who was
only 16-17, and she became besotted with him and married him much to the chagrin
of her folks. Reason, her father had fought in the correct army and had
been killed in the battle of Petersburg, while her ne
w
husband (damn yankee) had fought in the same battle for the blue bellies and survived.
My father and two brothers were taught sound Republicism at their fathers knee,
who passed it on to me. My mother was a 'yellow dog democrat' so you can see
I was raised to 'dont discuss politics among family'. When I was a child I heard
some interesting conversations when they thought the children were out of
earshot !!! Come to think about it, I may be the only person in the group who
can claim "My grandaddy voted for Abe Lincoln".
So you see, a Kolb doesn't really care who flies it, Republican or Democrat.
Ray
Tenn.... Non fluttering UltraStar
do not archive
ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson
Been flying since 1935, owned 16 different types of aircraft and never, never heard
or seen a case of control flutter caused by a trim tab, usually weighing
maybe a half ounce loosening. I've used dozens and dozens, had some loosen over
time and never seen a problem. I'll concede there may be cases of large motor
driven types, with heavy installation on the trailing edge causing problems,
never used that type, but a small thin tab, I don't think so. I've been proven
wrong about a lot of things in 88 years so take it for what it might be worth.
Ray .. down to a non fluttering UltraStar
Tennessee
do not archive
JetPilot wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot"
<>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=13251#13251
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
Wondering if anyone on the list has a good idea as to why the Kolb
airfoil is as it is? The nose shape indicates its stol heritage. Beyond
that , has anyone ever done an analysis? Herb
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| Subject: | Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
Ray and board, you are 100% correct. I thought I was responding to Ed off
site and directly. I'm sorry. I know after following this board history that
this is where the battle begins. I don't want that for the boards sake, the
sake of individuals that rely on the informative side of this site and for
the sake of making enemies. We as a people (not party) have enough people
mad at us. Ed, I'm sorry. Christ said that they will know you by your
actions. My response to you should have been sent only to you and out of
love. Sorry.
And I agree with Ed, this thread has been used up. There was a time when the
site was dead, I had a question, and others had answers. I thank them all
for their input. Especial regarding where you can get the information and
the interesting part about the HDTV towers in the future.
Corrected Ralph of Ohio.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ray anderson
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Control Surface Flutter ????
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Hey guys, we may be getting into dangerous ground here.
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| Subject: | Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
Ray,
Well spoken eulogy for the thread. May it rest in peace! How interesting it is
that you may be, and probably are, the only Kolber with a connection to good
old Abe's nomination and eventual presidency. We must find some time to grill
a burger or two, i think (Know) i would love to hear some of your other tales!
Thanks for helping keep us all on a level plain, without a sense of reality,
its easy to lose focus. Always keep your eye on the ball...
Mike S
Manchester TN
do not archive
ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson
Hey guys, we may be getting into dangerous ground here. I'm sure there are Kolbers
on both sides of the fence here with sincere and firm convictions in each
view. An example is me. I'm so conservative I though Barry Goldwater was a flaming
liberal. I'm surrounded by children and grandchildren who are 'yellow dog
democrats'. We have an understanding that we don't get into political discussions
around each other. My ties to the Republican party go back to ole Abe Lincoln.
My grandfather, yes my grandfather, voted for Abe back in Baltimore before
the 'late unpleasantness'. My fathers father was a damn Yankee living there
and enlisted in the Union Army and fought through the war before becoming a 'carpetbagger'
and moving to Noth Carolina, where be met my grandmother who was
only 16-17, and she became besotted with him and married him much to the chagrin
of her folks. Reason, her father had fought in the correct army and had been
killed in the battle of Petersburg, while her ne
w
husband (damn yankee) had fought in the same battle for the blue bellies and survived.
My father and two brothers were taught sound Republicism at their fathers knee,
who passed it on to me. My mother was a 'yellow dog democrat' so you can see
I was raised to 'dont discuss politics among family'. When I was a child I heard
some interesting conversations when they thought the children were out of earshot
!!! Come to think about it, I may be the only person in the group who can
claim "My grandaddy voted for Abe Lincoln".
So you see, a Kolb doesn't really care who flies it, Republican or Democrat.
Ray
Tenn.... Non fluttering UltraStar
do not archive
ray anderson wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson
Been flying since 1935, owned 16 different types of aircraft and never, never heard
or seen a case of control flutter caused by a trim tab, usually weighing
maybe a half ounce loosening. I've used dozens and dozens, had some loosen over
time and never seen a problem. I'll concede there may be cases of large motor
driven types, with heavy installation on the trailing edge causing problems,
never used that type, but a small thin tab, I don't think so. I've been proven
wrong about a lot of things in 88 years so take it for what it might be worth.
Ray .. down to a non fluttering UltraStar
Tennessee
do not archive
JetPilot wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot"
<>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=13251#13251
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
Gentlemen, you are bringing to truth a message one of our founding fathers spoke.
Soon after the Declaration of Independance was written, Thomas Jefferson was
asked, what sort of government have you given us? His reply, "A Republic, If
you can keep it"... somber thoughts, for those that think.
Mike S
Manchester TN
do not archive
Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England
The sad thing is, the core issue isn't 'partisan'. There are astounding
parallels between the Johnson administration in the '60s & the current
administration. Bottom line: you can *never* trust *any* government, as
our founding fathers clearly understood but we have forgotten.
You don't have to wait for Ms Clinton for your fears of privacy invasion
to be realized. The current one (or at least their computers) is
listening to all of our phone calls now (read up on the NSA controversy
& understand what's between the lines), they have gathered info on tens
of thousands of Americans without warrants using 'national security
letters' (does anyone believe that there are tens of thousands of
Americans in this country who are terrorists?), the FBI paid visits to
members of antiwar groups prior to the last Republican convention &
tried to intimidate them into staying away, the FCC is floating a
proposal right now to require all handlers of data, meaning internet
providers, phone companies, etc, to provide a 'back door' into all their
switches & routers so that the Justice Dept can eavesdrop at will, etc
etc etc.
Be afraid. Be Very Afraid.
Ed Chmielewski wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski"
>
>Please gents, spare the partisan politicking. If the present prez were such
>a wunderkind, he would repeal all these 'onerous' regs. IMO, he's the worst
>prez ever, but you don't hear me whining ad nauseum about it (til it gets
>unbearable like now). Is it me, or has the tower thread pony been flailed
>enough?
>
>Do not archive.
>
>Ed in JXN
>MkII/503
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "flht99reh"
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:30 AM
>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: towers
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh"
>>
>>Now Ted, that really scares me and I'm sure when MZ. Clinton wins election
>>two terms out (cause, well we seem to forget the past only weeks ago, and
>>she seems so sincere), she will be able to mount the additional "big
>>brother" cameras on each one of them as an added bonus to the tax payers.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TRCowan
>>Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:05 AM
>>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Kolb-List: towers
>>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: TRCowan
>>
>>jest a few cents worth. if ya think ya gotta problem now, just wait. the
>>mindless powers that be back in the clinton admin, signed into law the
>>ability or the probability of the hd tv towers. yep, those can go up
>>higher
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Blade tracking |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
Group,
I have noticed vibration while flying my Firefly. More at certain speeds
than others. While I think that this is the norm I am not sure. Is it
necessary to track the blades of an I.voprop and how would you go about doing
it .I
looked in the archieves and found nothing.
Ed Diebel (In Houston)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Blade tracking |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Ed,
Tracking is not normally a problem with the IVO prop. Because of the
IVO's flexibility the centrifugal force above idle RPM will pull any
slight tracking differences to zero.
There is one weakness that the IVO does have though that can affect
its smoothness.
Because of the way pitch is adjusted by twisting the steel rod inside
the blade, it is possible that both blades will not always twist the
same amount causing a pitch difference between blades. This is
especially so if the pitch is changed to near its extreme position
from neutral. This can sometimes feel like a vibration due to a
weight imbalance at some power settings.
With a good protractor like used to adjust the Warp prop you can
easily measure the pitch of each individual blade. If the difference
is slight it can be adjusted simply by twisting a blade slightly by
hand a bit. Problem is it will probably not stay but eventually
return to its original pitch.
On Feb 19, 2006, at 3:10 PM, DAquaNut@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
> Group,
>
> I have noticed vibration while flying my Firefly. More at
> certain speeds
> than others. While I think that this is the norm I am not sure. Is it
> necessary to track the blades of an I.voprop and how would you go
> about doing it .I
> looked in the archieves and found nothing.
>
>
> Ed Diebel (In Houston)
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> In the immortal words of one of my positing predecessors: <
"eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man"
from one of the founding fathers of our representative republic.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? aka voting for pres. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
I can't stand idly by and not take up the glove fluttered down by
Kolbster Ray Anderson whose grandfather voted fer old Abe. My G-
grandfather voted fer James Buchanan, Democrat in 1856 at Akron
IN...the town he founded in 1833.
How this escaped Moderation isn't clear, and I apologize to all for
this unseemly outburst of patriotism.
Kolb On
Bob N.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Un-Controlled Surface Chatter ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Hey can I get in on this thread if my childhood dog belonged to Kit Carson's
great great nephew, who got drafted & gave the dog to me?
Richard Swiderski
do NOT archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Noyer
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? aka voting for
pres.
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
I can't stand idly by and not take up the glove fluttered down by
Kolbster Ray Anderson whose grandfather voted fer old Abe. My G-
grandfather voted fer James Buchanan, Democrat in 1856 at Akron
IN...the town he founded in 1833.
How this escaped Moderation isn't clear, and I apologize to all for
this unseemly outburst of patriotism.
Kolb On
Bob N.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Control Surface Flutter ???? aka voting for pres. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@telepath.com>
I'm Judge Crater's illigitemate son.......
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
'71 SV, 492TC
Elmore City, OK
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| Subject: | best price on 503 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
I am considering upgrading to a 503 for my firestar II, and was wondering if
any one in this great group of knowledge, would know the best (cheapest)
place to obtain this engine? Will I need anything else like a mounting plate
or will the 447 one I have fit? I would also entertain suggestions for a
three blade prop for it as well.
do not archive
Larry, Oregon
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