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1. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: mode c veil (N27SB@aol.com)
2. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: mode c veil (robert bean)
3. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: mode c veil (robert bean)
4. 07:47 AM - Re: 1985 Firestar (JetPilot)
5. 10:13 AM - Re: Flying Naked (pat ladd)
6. 10:18 AM - Re: Re: Flying Naked (pat ladd)
7. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: 1985 Firestar5 Rib Wing/Stress (John Hauck)
8. 10:31 AM - Re: Re: mode c veil (WillUribe@aol.com)
9. 11:33 AM - Re: Flying Naked (JetPilot)
10. 12:02 PM - Re: Re: Flying Naked (Robert Laird)
11. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: mode c veil (Richard Pike)
12. 02:32 PM - Flying Naked (Edward Steuber)
13. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: 1985 Firestar5 Rib Wing/Stress (Mike Marsh)
14. 04:45 PM - Re: q (Steven Green)
15. 07:22 PM - Engine Question For Mr. Honda (Don Gherardini) (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
16. 08:23 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 40 Msgs - 02/28/06 (Vic)
17. 09:04 PM - Re: Mode c Veil (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
18. 11:32 PM - Official Kolb-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (Matt Dralle)
19. 11:38 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 3/1/2006 1:57:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kolbrapilot2@comcast.net writes:
> As you can gather from this info, whether you have an electric starter on
> your legal Part 103 ultralight or not does not matter. Since the 30 mile
> circle we call the Mode C Veil is not mentioned or referenced in Part 103, there
> are no restrictions to operation in it by an ultralight. You can operate
> within that 30 mile circle and below the Class B airspace as long as you remain
> legal with the other parts of FAR 103.
>
>
> That should answer your question. But if it hasn't, here is the short
> answer:
> There is no Mode C Veil that applies to an ultralight. :)
>
>
> no not archive
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> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
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John, All
That is the same answer that I got from the local FAA here in Orlando
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
I liked the loophole revelation: "not originally certificated with
an electrical system". I could power an AM radio station with
my suzuki electric but wasn't certificated as such. VOILA!
My runway is 6 miles from the threshold of a class C nearby which
I've been flying since 1972. No problems yet. ( I stay low)
I have no desire for gadgets, knobs, bells & whistles,
just want to fly.
I suspect it didn't hurt that my neighbor was an FAA inspector there
for 20 years.
-BB do not archive
On 1, Mar 2006, at 8:49 AM, N27SB@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 3/1/2006 1:57:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> kolbrapilot2@comcast.net writes:
>
>> As you can gather from this info, whether you have an electric
>> starter on
>> your legal Part 103 ultralight or not does not matter. Since the 30
>> mile
>> circle we call the Mode C Veil is not mentioned or referenced in Part
>> 103, there
>> are no restrictions to operation in it by an ultralight. You can
>> operate
>> within that 30 mile circle and below the Class B airspace as long as
>> you remain
>> legal with the other parts of FAR 103.
>>
>>
>> That should answer your question. But if it hasn't, here is the short
>> answer:
>> There is no Mode C Veil that applies to an ultralight. :)
>>
>>
>> no not archive
>>
>> --------
>> John Williamson
>> Arlington, TX
>>
>
> John, All
>
> That is the same answer that I got from the local FAA here in Orlando
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
Terminology ?
> Examiner/ inspector/ some kinda honcho anyway.
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| Subject: | Re: 1985 Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Hi Mike,
I would not move the ribs that are already installed, I would probably go with
9 ribs as you say, as it would add only a couple pounds. Having 9 ribs also
has the added benefit of giving more ribs to form the fabric properly. Another
alternative is to put angled aluminum from the leading edge to the spar front
and back to streingthen the 5 ribs that are already there.
Michael A. Bigelow
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Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Naked |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
I should not have to join a particular organization to qualify. >>
Hi Terry,
We do not HAVE to, but if the organisation is doing their job they should be
able to get a better deal than you can as an individual. If that
orgasnisation enforces strict standards of build or airmanship that would
give even more power to their elbow.
Thanks for the offer not o fly over my house. Make sure you do not fly over
my cat either. Although I got her as a stray, she will be worth at least
$20,000 of you fall on her.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Naked |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi Jet Pilot,
I agree with everything you said.
What really makes me annoyed is the fact that the courts will accept as an
excuse for wrongdoing `Please sir, I was drunk at the time`
If someone cannot hold their liquor they shouldn`t drink In the same way
that those who suffer from claustraphobia shouldn`t get in lifts (elevators)
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: 1985 Firestar5 Rib Wing/Stress |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Another alternative is to put angled aluminum from the leading edge
to the spar front and back to streingthen the 5 ribs that are already
there.
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| Michael A. Bigelow
That's what I would do if I had a 5 rib wing, reinforce with 1/2 and
3/4 X 1/16 aluminum angle.
There is not a thing wrong with the standard 5 rib wing, if flown
within the design envelope. Push it and break it. I know, I know,
someone will tell me how they fly the sh*t out of their 5 rib wing
Kolb and have had no problem, YET.................
Stress is cumulative. Everytime you stress it, subtract a little from
the whole number 1.0+ you started with. Eventually you will ask it to
do something and it will tell you there is nothing left to do it with.
That is when it will fail.
As far as adding ribs to a Kolb wing,................if you have ever
built one you will know that the only rib you will change without much
problem is the outboard rib.
john h
MKIII
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
I just a reminder why the mode c veil was enacted by the FAA. I guess the
FAA didn't want airliners to keep bumping into small aircrafts.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Sunday, August 31, 1986 in CERRITOS, CA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 3/7/1988
Aircraft: PIPER PA-28-181, registration: N4891F
Injuries: 82 Fatal, 8 Minor.
The Safety Board's full report on this investigation is provided as Aviation
Accident Report number AAR-87/07. To obtain a copy of this report, or to view
the executive summary online, please see the Web site at
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/publictn.htm
AT APRX 1140 PDT, A PIPER PA-28, N4891F, DEPARTED TORRANCE, CA ON A VFR FLT
TO BIG BEAR, CA. AFTER TAKEOFF, THE PLT TURNED EASTBOUND TWD THE PARADISE
VORTAC WITH HIS X-PONDER SQUAWKING 1200. AT THAT TIME, AEROMEXICO FLT 498 (DC-8,
MEX REGISTRY XA-JED) WAS ON ARRIIVAL, RCVG NORTHBOUND VECTORS FM LAX APCH
CTL (AR-1 CTLR) FOR AN ILS APCH TO THE LAX INTL ARPT. AT 1151:04, THE CTLR
ASKED FLT 498 TO RDC SPD TO 190 KTS & DSCND FM 7000' TO 6000'. DRG THIS TIME,
THE
CTLR WAS CTLG OTR TRAFFIC & PROVIDING RADAR ADVISORIES, BUT DIDN'T SEE A
DISPLAY FOR N4891F ON HIS SCOPE. AT 1152:09, N4891F & FLT 498 CONVERGED &
COLLIDED AT APRX 6560', THEN FELL TO THE GND. AN INV REVEALED N4891F HAD
INADVERTENTLY ENTERED THE LAX TERMINAL CONTROL AREA (TCA) & WASN'T IN RADIO CONTACT
WITH ATC. LAX TRACON WASN'T EQUIPPED WITH AN AUTO CONFLICT ALERT SYS & THE
ANALOG BEACON RESPONSE FM N4891F'S X-PONDER WASN'T DISPLAYED DUE TO EQUIP
CONFIGURATION. N4891F'S PSN WAS DISPLAYED BY AN ALPHANUMERIC TRIANGLE, BUT THE
PRIMARY TARGET WASN'T DISPLAYED DUE TO AN ATMOSPHERIC INVERSION.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of
this accident as follows:RADAR,APPROACH/DEPARTURE..INADEQUATE
PROCEDURE INADEQUATE..FAA(OTHER/ORGANIZATION)
Contributing Factors
IDENTIFICATION OF AIRCRAFT ON RADAR..NOT ATTAINED
PROCEDURES/DIRECTIVES..NOT FOLLOWED..PILOT IN COMMAND
UNSAFE/HAZARDOUS CONDITION..INADVERTENT..PILOT IN COMMAND
VISUAL LOOKOUT..INADEQUATE..PILOT IN COMMAND
VISUAL LOOKOUT..INADEQUATE..PILOT OF OTHER AIRCRAFT
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Naked |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
>
> What really makes me annoyed is the fact that the courts will accept as an
> excuse for wrongdoing `Please sir, I was drunk at the time`
>
> If someone cannot hold their liquor they shouldn`t drink In the same way
> that those who suffer from claustraphobia shouldn`t get in lifts (elevators)
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
You hit on a very common one Pat. Someone gets drunk, drives and kills someone.
The bar, the waitress, and the auto manufacturer gets sued... Its not about
who committed the act, or even justice.. It is just a matter of going after
anyone that has money, because the idiot that got drunk and drives is usually
broke already.... Legalized extorsion..
Our legal system is not at all about justice, or right or wrong anymnore [Evil
or Very Mad] It is about suing and taking money from anyone or business you
can. As long as the cash keeps flowing attorneys can get rich, the courts can
reman clogged, more judges can be appointed. etc. etc.... Its Americas form
of corruption.
Michael A. Bigelow
--------
NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18802#18802
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Naked |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
There is a contingent of folks that think it's better NOT to have insurance
for this very reason... without insurance and the possibility of someone
suing you (thus, the insurance company) and getting huge sums, it's not
worth the lawyers trouble, i.e., you become a much, much tinier target, so
they don't bother. If you don't have a lot of assets, it seems to me it's a
valid argument.
-- Robert
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On 3/1/06, JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> It is about suing and taking money from anyone or business you can. As
> long as the cash keeps flowing attorneys can get rich, the courts can reman
> clogged, more judges can be appointed. etc. etc.... Its Americas form of
> corruption.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Airliners bumping into small aircraft shouldn't be a problem in positive
control airspace, but is often a problem in non-positive control
terminal environments.
I learned over the years that a lot of jet pilots are apparently
incapable of an approach if required to maintain at or above 7,000' AGL
until base leg, (whine, whine, whine) and a lot of controllers are
apparently incapable of working high performance airplanes three
dimensionally, so they dump them to the MVA ASAP while they are inbound.
Sometimes referred to as "Trolling for Cherokees."
Which is semi-forbidden in non-positive controlled airspace, but it is
FAA's little secret, and what the small aircraft users don't know, they
won't gripe about.
See if you can pull up a current copy of FAA order 7110.22D - ARRIVAL
AND DEPARTURE HANDLING OF HIGH PERFORMANCE AIRCRAFT
(Known internally as the "Keep 'Em High Program.)
Or ask your local ATC facility about it. You won't be popular.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
WillUribe@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>
> I just a reminder why the mode c veil was enacted by the FAA. I guess the
> FAA didn't want airliners to keep bumping into small aircrafts.
> <snip>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Ray,
With your experience I don't believe you will have much trouble flying with
one eye.......
I am flying a Cessna Caravan 208B as copilot for ITT Space Systems Lab and
the guy that is the pilot has one eye. He lost one in a homebuilt wreck when
he was 17 and is over 50 now and has had a pretty good aviation career. He is
a better pilot than I am and I'm pretty good...just ask me !
Modest Ed in Western NY
PS ......Ever hear of Wiley Post ?
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| Subject: | Re: 1985 Firestar5 Rib Wing/Stress |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Marsh <nellypup_29@yahoo.com>
I have to apologize, I didn't make things very clear.
There are 5 full ribs in the firestar wing and 3 false
ribs between each full rib. The false ribs go from the
spar to the leading edge of the wing. I don't really
see a problem with that. The five full ribs go to the
trailing edge and each is attached with only two 1/8"
pop rivets. None of the false ribs go to the trailing
edge and this is where the ailerons are attached.
There is 26.5" between each full rib and the rear tube
is smaller than the leading edge. There are 10 times
as many rivets holding the ailerons on as there is
holding the trailing edge to the ribs. The wings are
completely striped and I have to repair some of the
ribs anyway. They were damaged in the wreck.
Thanks Mike
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--- John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
> <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Another alternative is to put angled aluminum
> from the leading edge
> to the spar front and back to streingthen the 5 ribs
> that are already
> there.
>
> That's what I would do if I had a 5 rib wing,
> reinforce with 1/2 and
> 3/4 X 1/16 aluminum angle.
>
> There is not a thing wrong with the standard 5 rib
> wing, if flown
> within the design envelope. Push it and break it.
> I know, I know,
> someone will tell me how they fly the sh*t out of
> their 5 rib wing
> Kolb and have had no problem, YET.................
>
> Stress is cumulative. Everytime you stress it,
> subtract a little from
> the whole number 1.0+ you started with. Eventually
> you will ask it to
> do something and it will tell you there is nothing
> left to do it with.
> That is when it will fail.
>
> As far as adding ribs to a Kolb
> wing,................if you have ever
> built one you will know that the only rib you will
> change without much
> problem is the outboard rib.
>
> john h
> MKIII
>
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>
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>
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> Subscriptions page,
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
Mike,
E-mail me direct or call 423-263-1614.
Steven
>
> PS: I am in need of finding some flight time in a like aircraft to my
Firestar, any Mark III owners near middle TN willing to trade some fuel
costs for flight time? Thanks in advance!
>
>
> Mike S
> Manchester TN
> Firestar 2 503
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| Subject: | Engine Question For Mr. Honda (Don Gherardini) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
I saw these engines at my local Pepboys store the other day. Are they a
Chinese copy of the Honda engines?? ~ Earl
http://jiangdong.en.ec21.com/GC00794842/CA00805612/Gasoline_Engine_(JF120,JF168,JF200,JF240,JF270_.html
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 40 Msgs - 02/28/06 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic" <vicw@vcn.com>
When and individual takes up a avocation such as ultralight flying which
could possibly cause harm to another individual then I believe that person
has a responsibility to have insurance. Of course if you have unlimited
assets and can just write a check for any injury or property damage you
cause, then insurance is optional for you.
If you choose not to have hull insurance then you are the only one at risk
because of that decision and that is strictly your business.
If you are flying under part 103 you may be considered a recreational
vehicle by the state you operate in and many states require financial
responsibility and require that you have insurance. If you have and
accident and don't have insurance, even if you don't injure a person or
cause property damage, your aircraft could be confiscated.
Vic
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
In a message dated 2/28/2006 9:04:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jdm@wideworld.net writes:
to fly in the Philly Mode C Veil
Hi John Murr,
What airport do you fly out of to be near Philly?
I live in Audubon, NJ which is just east across the river from Philly, PA,
but I hangar and fly from Alloway Airport which is 32 miles south, near Salem,
NJ. (Southeast of Wilmington, DE)
Maybe close enough to get together sometime.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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