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1. 12:49 AM - Re: Leading Edge (mike moulai)
2. 01:08 AM - Re: Leading edge failures (Dave Bigelow)
3. 02:09 AM - closing down. (pat ladd)
4. 03:58 AM - Re: Evening Flight (John Murr)
5. 04:04 AM - Firestar Gross weight 535? (John Murr)
6. 05:47 AM - Re: Re: To cut or not to cut? (Russ Kinne)
7. 06:10 AM - Re: Firestar Gross weight 535? (Ralph)
8. 06:32 AM - Re: Evening Flight (Robert Laird)
9. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge failures (Herb Gayheart)
10. 06:54 AM - Re: Leading edge failures (John Jung)
11. 07:57 AM - Re: Evening Flight (Eugene Zimmerman)
12. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge failures (George E. Thompson)
13. 08:26 AM - Re: Evening Flight (John Murr)
14. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge failures (Eugene Zimmerman)
15. 09:37 AM - Re: Evening Flight (flht99reh)
16. 09:43 AM - Re: Leading Edge (flht99reh)
17. 09:45 AM - Re: closing down. (flht99reh)
18. 10:09 AM - Re: Evening Flight (Eugene Zimmerman)
19. 11:50 AM - Re: Evening Flight (DAquaNut@aol.com)
20. 12:12 PM - Re: Evening Flight (DAquaNut@AOL.COM)
21. 12:18 PM - Re: Evening Flight (robert bean)
22. 12:32 PM - Re: Evening Flight (Robert Laird)
23. 12:39 PM - Re: Leading Edge (Chris Mallory)
24. 01:51 PM - Re: Evening Flight (Eugene Zimmerman)
25. 02:40 PM - Re: Leading Edge (mike moulai)
26. 02:58 PM - Re: Leading Edge (John Hauck)
27. 03:04 PM - Leading Edge (Edward Steuber)
28. 03:09 PM - Re: Leading Edge (planecrazzzy)
29. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: Leading edge failures (Herb Gayheart)
30. 03:22 PM - Re: Evening Flight (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
31. 03:23 PM - Re: Leading Edge (Herb Gayheart)
32. 03:42 PM - Re: BRS 5 Installation on Original Firestar (John Jung)
33. 03:44 PM - Re: Leading Edge (mike moulai)
34. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Leading edge failures aka felt (Robert Noyer)
35. 04:06 PM - Re: Leading Edge (Kirk Smith)
36. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: To cut or not to cut? (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
37. 08:13 PM - Re: Evening Flight (DAquaNut@aol.com)
38. 09:06 PM - Kolb Twin (David Key)
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| Subject: | Re: Leading Edge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "mike moulai" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
John/All,
About time someone said that John, you only just beat me.
I will say only a couple of things.
Buy the Kolb for what it is and not something you want it to be!.
If you don't know what you are talking about then keep your gob shut!.
Please do not use this site as a Bitch fight place but instead use it for
what it was intended for!.
If you think you know better than Homer, Dennis and all the team at TNK then
apply for a job there!.
As with any aircraft, fly it outside the envelope and soon enough it will
fail, Fly it as it was intended and you will probably be o.k!.
If you guys didn't think you know better than the designer and feel the need
to modify the aircraft in the first place then half of the issues being
discussed now would not even be relevant!.
The MkIII has been approved in the UK which holds the most stringent
airworthiness regulations in the world, if the Kolb design was as terrible
as some of you seem to think then it would have never been approved over
here1.
If some of you spent more time maintaining and flying your Kolb than
modifiying it, over loading it, and pushing it past the design limits, you
would have far less time to be at your computer writing so much rubbish, and
we might actually get some better posts again!.
We do want new people to come and Join the wonderful world of Kolb and not
send them away from this site scared to death of ever getting into a Kolb.
Just put it into context.
Thats My Rant over, (sorry)
Mike Moulai
Xtra/Jab 2200 and happy with it
----- Original Message -----
From: "JW Hauck" <jimh474@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:28 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Leading Edge
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JW Hauck" <jimh474@earthlink.net>
>
> Folks,
>
> I agree with Ted Cowan, 2 known catastrophic leading edge failures out of
> thousands of Kolb's built and thousands of hours flown in all kinds of
> conditions doesn't warrant all this negative attitude towards primarily
> the
> 5 rib wing. The 7 rib wing could have the same failure under the right
> conditions.
>
> Homer and Dennis always made updates on the design when a problem was
> discovered. So many of the updates are already in these A/C that are being
> bought from the used market. In two instances this negative attitude has
> scared the crap out of two new Kolb owners for no reason.
>
> I suggest the list refrain from making arbitrary statements to new comers
> that they are going to have a catastrophic failure if they fly with a 5
> rib
> wing. This is pure BS.
>
> Any wing regardless of type A/C under the right conditions will fail.
> Maybe
> from age, flying out of the design envelope or just a plain no answer why.
>
> I merely suggested time proven fixes for those that wanted to use them.
>
> In the case of my brothers failure,we examined the wings and this was the
> conclusion that we arrived at. The leading edge of the wings shifted
> outboard getting the ribs out of column and the leading edge folding up.
> The
> left wing went first and the right wing went second. The right wing more
> than likely failed from the instant acceleration forward.
>
> In the future lets put our mind in gear before we put our typing fingers
> in
> motion and not expound on something we only heard of.
>
> I hope that the two new comers reconsider about getting rid of their
> planes
> because of all the BS.
>
> Jim Hauck
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge failures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow" <up_country@hotmail.com>
Not to beat this topic to death, but.....
Another way to stiffen up the leading edge of the wing and to keep the ribs in
column is to cover from the leading edge back to the high point of the airfoil
with thin fiberglass sheet or aluminum. Rivet the thin sheet to each rib and
false rib at about two inch intervals. It adds a couple of pounds to each wing,
but really stiffens up the structure. It also eliminates the sag between
ribs and makes for a cleaner airfoil. Do the fabric over the entire wing after
the leading edge covering is intalled.
I built my FS2 wing this way, and I can guarantee that the ribs and leading edge
are not going have any spanwise movement. I think this would be the most simple
and structurally sound modification for a 5 rib wing. It does involve recovering
the wing.
--------
Dave Bigelow
Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi All,
moving to another house tomorrow so the computers will be pulled today.
After weeks of cold clear and dry weather the next three days are forecast heavy
rain so we shall be moving furniture with plastic sheets over everything.
The builders are still working on the new house, ditto the wallpaper hanhers and
ther carpet layers.
It will be alright on the night. Ha ha.......
See you again eventually.
Incidentally, 5 hours testing on the Xtra and all going well.
Cheers
Pat
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Evening Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Murr" <jdm@wideworld.net>
I guess we are all paranoid now! I saw 90 once and mine didn't fail either.
> I think I saw 80 mph once when I was not keeping an eye
>on the airspeed. The really good part is my leading edge did not fail on
> either wing.
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| Subject: | Firestar Gross weight 535? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Murr" <jdm@wideworld.net>
Someone said the Firestar gross weight was 535. Is that a structural gross weight
or a maximum take off weight with a 377? See where I'm going with this one?
If it's a maximum takeoff weight, then with a 477 or 503 it should be higher,
right?
John Murr
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| Subject: | Re: To cut or not to cut? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Bill
I have a handheld you can borrow to get into controlled airspace;
I've used it when the main radio packed up. Not the greatest but it
works!
You c an also phone the tower & get a one-time clearance to enter,
using light signals -- I've always found them cooperative.
You're most welcome to try it --
Russ Kinne
On Mar 6, 2006, at 10:44 PM, WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 3/5/2006 7:57:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> jdm@wideworld.net writes:
>
> All you need is a radio to fly into class D airspace.
>
>
> John M,
>
> I don't have a radio.
>
> Yet.
>
> Maybe in the future
>
> Bill Varnes
> Original Kolb FireStar
> Audubon NJ
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Gross weight 535? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
-- "John Murr" <jdm@wideworld.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Murr" <jdm@wideworld.net>
Someone said the Firestar gross weight was 535. Is that a structural gross weight
or a maximum take off weight with a 377? See where I'm going with this one?
If it's a maximum takeoff weight, then with a 477 or 503 it should be higher,
right?
John Murr
John,
As I understand it, gross weight is gross weight. Mine is 589 lbs with 11 gallons
on board and 447 engine. Kolb's design specs are very conservative, but there
is a limit. There are 503's installed on a few 5-rib wings, but it gets back
to how far do you want to push the limits. I wouldn't put a 503 on mine because
I'm already over gross. I would be better off going on a diet. It would be
good for the plane and pilot.
Ralph
Original Firestar
19 years flying it
Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
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| Subject: | Re: Evening Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
Ed --
Where'd ya go... Volk? or Bailes?
-- Robert
On 3/7/06, DAquaNut@aol.com <DAquaNut@aol.com> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
> Kolbers
>
> Flew my first cross country today to an airport 17.3 miles away.
> Not
> much of a cross country but it is a start. The Firefly burned about 3.2gal
> and took about 40 minutes ,to make the round trip. The weather is warm
> enough
> down here that the mosquitos are starting to be a pest. I am still glad I
> decided to build a KOLB. I think I saw 80 mph once when I was not keeping
> an eye
> on the airspeed. The really good part is my leading edge did not fail on
> either wing. I have the fold up time down to 15 minutes! Starting to
> trust Her
> a little more each time I fly Her!
>
> Ed Diebel ( In Houston Firefly # 62 , 6.5 hrs.)
>
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge failures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
Dave
How did you keep the Glass/metal from puckering between ribs back
toward the maine spar? Did you attach it to the spar? I am building a
set of single lift strut wings for my Firefly and have thought about
using a leading edge d cell configuration. I will wrap .016 2024-t3
around my wings since I already have it.. Actually thinking about
metallizing the whole wing! Likely as cheap as fabric and the stitts
process.. Herb
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 01:08:09 -0800 "Dave Bigelow"
<up_country@hotmail.com> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow"
> <up_country@hotmail.com>
>
> Not to beat this topic to death, but.....
>
> Another way to stiffen up the leading edge of the wing and to keep
> the ribs in column is to cover from the leading edge back to the
> high point of the airfoil with thin fiberglass sheet or aluminum.
> Rivet the thin sheet to each rib and false rib at about two inch
> intervals. It adds a couple of pounds to each wing, but really
> stiffens up the structure. It also eliminates the sag between ribs
> and makes for a cleaner airfoil. Do the fabric over the entire wing
> after the leading edge covering is intalled.
>
> I built my FS2 wing this way, and I can guarantee that the ribs and
> leading edge are not going have any spanwise movement. I think this
> would be the most simple and structurally sound modification for a 5
> rib wing. It does involve recovering the wing.
>
> --------
> Dave Bigelow
> Kamuela, Hawaii
> FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=20054#20054
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com//files/fs_with_fiberglass_le_covering_827.jpg
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>
>
>
>
>
> ============================
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
>
Its what we learn after we know everything that is the most important.
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge failures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Eugene Zimmerman wrote: wrote:
> I submit that initial failure mode of the Kolb leading edge is much more likely
due to the compromise of the curved upper rib tube under excessive compression
load during a high speed, high wing loading situation. As speed increases
center of lift moves forward so that much more of the load is carried by the front
part of the rib. An increased portion of the load is transferred to the
spar by an increased compression load carried through a tube that by design and
of necessity is already out of column it suddenly buckles and breaks allowing
the leading edge to move back and up into the already excessive high speed
air flow above the wing.
>
> Such sudden failure would of course also destroys all diagonal braces pulling
the leading edge sideways as they fail.
Group,
Eugene's explaination makes the most sense to me. I have been trained as a mechanical
engineer and I am a Kolb flyer and builder/rebuilder.
I do not mean to alarm anyone by comenting on possible wing failures. But I also
would not suggest that the risk is not higher when someone flys over the gross
weights set by Kolb. I flew my original Firestar at about 600 pounds when I
carried extra gas and camping gear. I accepted the extra risk on those flights.
If I had to fly every flight at a gross weight substancially higher than that,
I would have sold the plane and bought a Firestar II. That's what I did,
but for different reasons. Just my opinion. Everyone has there own tolerance for
risk.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=20089#20089
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| Subject: | Re: Evening Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On Mar 7, 2006, at 6:56 AM, John Murr wrote:
> I guess we are all paranoid now! I saw 90 once and mine didn't
> fail either.
Hey now,
If you fly 90 mph in that 5 rib I promise I will deny I never knew a
John Murr.
Please slow down.
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge failures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
I also built my FS II that way. I used thin roof flashing from the hardware
store. Makes a nice clean wing leading edge.
AZ. Bald Eagle.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Bigelow" <up_country@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:08 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge failures
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow" <up_country@hotmail.com>
>
> Not to beat this topic to death, but.....
>
> Another way to stiffen up the leading edge of the wing and to keep the
> ribs in column is to cover from the leading edge back to the high point of
> the airfoil with thin fiberglass sheet or aluminum. Rivet the thin sheet
> to each rib and false rib at about two inch intervals. It adds a couple
> of pounds to each wing, but really stiffens up the structure. It also
> eliminates the sag between ribs and makes for a cleaner airfoil. Do the
> fabric over the entire wing after the leading edge covering is intalled.
>
> I built my FS2 wing this way, and I can guarantee that the ribs and
> leading edge are not going have any spanwise movement. I think this would
> be the most simple and structurally sound modification for a 5 rib wing.
> It does involve recovering the wing.
>
> --------
> Dave Bigelow
> Kamuela, Hawaii
> FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=20054#20054
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/fs_with_fiberglass_le_covering_827.jpg
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Evening Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Murr" <jdm@wideworld.net>
I assure you it was by accident.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eugene Zimmerman" <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Evening Flight
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
>
>
> On Mar 7, 2006, at 6:56 AM, John Murr wrote:
>
>> I guess we are all paranoid now! I saw 90 once and mine didn't
>> fail either.
>
> Hey now,
>
> If you fly 90 mph in that 5 rib I promise I will deny I never knew a
> John Murr.
>
> Please slow down.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge failures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On Mar 7, 2006, at 11:11 AM, George E. Thompson wrote:
> I also built my FS II that way. I used thin roof flashing from the
> hardware
> store. Makes a nice clean wing leading edge.
Until it get a dent or two.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
Good for you Ed. I envious a little. But soon, perhaps within the early part
of summer, there I will also be. I am also somewhat envious of your mosquito
problem. That means heat and here in the Ohio area, we ain't got none! (my
spell checker hates me).
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAquaNut@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Evening Flight
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
Kolbers
Flew my first cross country today to an airport 17.3 miles away. Not
much of a cross country but it is a start. The Firefly burned about 3.2 gal
and took about 40 minutes ,to make the round trip. The weather is warm
enough
down here that the mosquitos are starting to be a pest. I am still glad I
decided to build a KOLB. I think I saw 80 mph once when I was not keeping
an eye
on the airspeed. The really good part is my leading edge did not fail on
either wing. I have the fold up time down to 15 minutes! Starting to
trust Her
a little more each time I fly Her!
Ed Diebel ( In Houston Firefly # 62 , 6.5 hrs.)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
Mike,
"The MkIII has been approved in the UK which holds the most stringent
airworthiness regulations in the world, if the Kolb design was as terrible
as some of you seem to think then it would have never been approved over
here1"
Isn't that the same country that discovered the "Piltdown man" you know that
ling between man and ape! Oh those scientists, they will do anything to gain
attention! Ha, HA!
USA, Ohio Ralph
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mike moulai
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Leading Edge
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "mike moulai"
<kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
John/All,
About time someone said that John, you only just beat me.
I will say only a couple of things.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
Pat, You Brits sure have a word for everything. What's a "hanhers"?
" ditto the wallpaper hanhers and ther carpet layers."
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pat ladd
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:05 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: closing down.
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi All,
moving to another house tomorrow so the computers will be pulled today.
After weeks of cold clear and dry weather the next three days are forecast
heavy rain so we shall be moving furniture with plastic sheets over
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Evening Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On Mar 7, 2006, at 11:25 AM, John Murr wrote:
>
> I assure you it was by accident.
Ok,
Think about that last eight letter word.
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| Subject: | Re: Evening Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:59:33 A.M. Central Standard Time,
jdm@wideworld.net writes:
I guess we are all paranoid now! I saw 90 once and mine didn't fail either.
> I think I saw 80 mph once when I was not keeping an eye
>on the airspeed. The really good part is my leading edge did not fail on
> either wing.
This was sarcastically!!!!!!!!!
Ed DO NOT ARCHIEVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:32:29 A.M. Central Standard Time,
rlaird@cavediver.com writes:
Ed --
Where'd ya go... Volk? or Bailes?
-- Robert
>From Volks To Bube's in Alvin and back to Volks, Where I hangar. Not a long
trip, but I just have a little over 6 hours flying time in her. Slowly
gaining confidence in the plane and 447. I kept what I thought was a suitable
landing spot in sight most of the way. I still have not made a decision whether
it would be better to use flaps If the engine quit. All this talk about wing
failure seems a waste of time. Of course I built mine, and I fly within the
parameters it was designed. I think the chances of the 447 quitting are far
more realistic than the leading edge failing ! I feel more attention should be
focused on the 2- stroke. I think that is the weakest link in any Kolb
product.
Ed Do Not Archieve
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| Subject: | Re: Evening Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
I filled my whole leading edge with cement. I can do a 150 mph dive
without a sign of deformation.
-BB, trowel in hand.
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On 7, Mar 2006, at 2:47 PM, DAquaNut@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:59:33 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> jdm@wideworld.net writes:
>
>
> I guess we are all paranoid now! I saw 90 once and mine didn't fail
> either.
>
>
>> I think I saw 80 mph once when I was not keeping an eye
>> on the airspeed. The really good part is my leading edge did not
>> fail on
>> either wing.
>
>
> This was sarcastically!!!!!!!!!
>
> Ed DO NOT ARCHIEVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Evening Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
I keep forgetting you're at Volk... I don't know why I keep thinking you're
at Alvin.
Yeah, the Volk to Alvin trek is nice, but unless you go wide around to the
south, you fly over a lot of houses in Alvin. If you start feeling
comfortable with that, then add in Ray's turf strip and make it a triangle.
Have you done many practice emergency landings yet? If not, you need to get
busy and practice. Until you do them, and get the plane down to about 20
feet before powering up and flying away, you won't know how the plane flies
without power (I'm not suggesting you power off, just power down to idle).
If you have a VSI, you can easily find your best-glide speed. If you don't
have a VSI, it will take you several tries, taking notes on time/altitude.
I'd start at 50mph, then 45mph, etc.
My friend, Rick, kept putting off practicing the engine-out's, and he got
"bit" by that. When his engine quit, he realized he had no idea how quickly
the plane would descend, and how little time he had. And he didn't realize
that when you get below 100 feet, you should have already committed to a
landing spot, because any changes below that altitude could be fatal. He
was very, very lucky and walked away, but his plane was totaled.
Learning how to slip and lose a lot of altitude fast, but recover quickly
and get to best-glide again, is a very useful skill to have, too. You could
pick out a landing and realize you're going to over-shoot it, and not be
able to get down fast enough (and yet still retain enough energy to flare at
the end). Being good at that could save you from running into a fence after
you landed, or worse.
I hope to see your plane in the near future. I'm still tweaking different
things on my MkIII and not going to far from home, but I hope to make most
of the local fly-in's this spring...
-- Robert
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On 3/7/06, DAquaNut@aol.com <DAquaNut@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> >From Volks To Bube's in Alvin and back to Volks, Where I hangar. Not a
> long
> trip, but I just have a little over 6 hours flying time in her. Slowly
> gaining confidence in the plane and 447. I kept what I thought was a
> suitable
> landing spot in sight most of the way. I still have not made a
> decision whether
> it would be better to use flaps If the engine quit. All this talk about
> wing
> failure seems a waste of time. Of course I built mine, and I fly within
> the
> parameters it was designed. I think the chances of the 447 quitting are
> far
> more realistic than the leading edge failing ! I feel more attention
> should be
> focused on the 2- stroke. I think that is the weakest link in any Kolb
> product.
>
>
> Ed Do Not Archieve
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leading Edge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
Mike,
Amen to that my friend, well said.
Chris Mallory
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| Subject: | Re: Evening Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On Mar 7, 2006, at 3:10 PM, DAquaNut@aol.com wrote:
> I think the chances of the 447 quitting are far
> more realistic than the leading edge failing ! I feel more
> attention should be
> focused on the 2- stroke. I think that is the weakest link in any
> Kolb
> product.
I've never had a leading edge fail or a 2-stroke Rotax quit.
Ah but I think the weakest link in any Kolb product is always the
critter in the seat.
:-)
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| Subject: | Re: Leading Edge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "mike moulai" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Hey Ralph, I am a Kiwi not a Pom, but I think I am directly related to
sasquatch, not many Apes as hairy as me.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Leading Edge
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
>
> Mike,
>
> "The MkIII has been approved in the UK which holds the most stringent
> airworthiness regulations in the world, if the Kolb design was as terrible
> as some of you seem to think then it would have never been approved over
> here1"
>
> Isn't that the same country that discovered the "Piltdown man" you know
> that
> ling between man and ape! Oh those scientists, they will do anything to
> gain
> attention! Ha, HA!
>
>
> USA, Ohio Ralph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mike moulai
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 3:47 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Leading Edge
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "mike moulai"
> <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> John/All,
> About time someone said that John, you only just beat me.
> I will say only a couple of things.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leading Edge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
not many Apes as hairy as me.
|
| Mike
Mike/Gang:
How do you keep from getting tangle in the pusher prop?
john h
hauck's holler, alabama
PS: I'm back after a few days in Florida working on tractors,
trailers and airplane mufflers. Guess what? My mufflers will last
much longer, now that I have found out a new way to increase their
life expectancy. If one locks them up in the 5th wheel and leaves
them in Woodville, FL, with Bro Jim, those SS buggers will probably
last forever. ;-) I remain grounded until I can get back down there
to get them. Jim has a key to the entrance door, but not the dad
burned cargo door compartment. ;-(
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
All,
I can't believe you guys actually take advice from some of these old guys
on the list......It seems to me that they are clearly crazy...They have readily
admitted doing aerobatics in Kolbs of every type and one claims he went to the
Arctic Circle a couple of times in a Kolb...even has pictures to boot...and
it gets worse...some of them have combat experience flying in Viet Nam ......and
I bet they volunteered to do it !.......OH MY !
I think I may never fly my Ultrastar again......at least not this week....too
cold , anyway
Scared Ed in Western NY
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| Subject: | Re: Leading Edge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey John,
That's where a "little" lock picking experiance comes in Handy
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN / Hobbie-Lock Picking
[quote= My mufflers will last
much longer, now that I have found out a new way to increase their
life expectancy. If one locks them up in the 5th wheel and leaves
them in Woodville, FL, with Bro Jim, those SS buggers will probably
last forever. ;-)
DO NOT ARCHIVE[/quote]
--------
The more people I know....
The more I like MY DOG
.
.
.
.
.Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge failures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
Gene
One way to mask the dents is to overlay the aluminum with felt. The
dent is still there but the felt maintains the normal curve..
Lets see---Aluminum or Fiberglass sheet d cell and felt... By gosh I
think we have likely soothed everyones fears..:-) Herb
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:22:00 -0500 Eugene Zimmerman
<etzim62@earthlink.net> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
> <etzim62@earthlink.net>
>
>
> On Mar 7, 2006, at 11:11 AM, George E. Thompson wrote:
>
> > I also built my FS II that way. I used thin roof flashing from the
>
> > hardware
> > store. Makes a nice clean wing leading edge.
>
> Until it get a dent or two.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Its what we learn after we know everything that is the most important.
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| Subject: | Re: Evening Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
I have been over 95 indicated many times I wont say how much over it might
scare you But in my 5 rib wings and it doesn't bother me of coarse I have been
told I am a bit crazy anyway and not by just one person Fly it like you built
it and enjoy it You only have one chance to do your life's missions before the
Great gods remove you from this place and, That I do! they will be talking
about the things I have done a long time after I am gone and I dont think a
Kolb will be the reason I will go. Face it when its your time thats it . There
are many inferior kits out there flying compared to what we are all flying
and you don't hear anything scary about them well at least I haven't heard
anything
Ellery in a 5 Rib wing and lovin it
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| Subject: | Re: Leading Edge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
Easy Ralph
These are likely the only firends we have left in the world..
I agree that their inspection and requirements are more stringent than
ours.. Do not always agree with some of their conclusions.. But would
rather deal with their volunteers over the FAA anytime... Herb
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:42:06 -0500 "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flht99reh" <flht99reh@netzero.net>
>
> Mike,
>
> "The MkIII has been approved in the UK which holds the most
> stringent
> airworthiness regulations in the world, if the Kolb design was as
> terrible
> as some of you seem to think then it would have never been approved
> over
> here1"
>
> Isn't that the same country that discovered the "Piltdown man" you
> know that
> ling between man and ape! Oh those scientists, they will do anything
> to gain
> attention! Ha, HA!
>
>
> USA, Ohio Ralph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mike
> moulai
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 3:47 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Leading Edge
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "mike moulai"
> <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> John/All,
> About time someone said that John, you only just beat me.
> I will say only a couple of things.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Its what we learn after we know everything that is the most important.
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| Subject: | Re: BRS 5 Installation on Original Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
jdm(at)wideworld.net wrote:
> OK, now that you've got my attention, where is the best place to but the BRS
5 750 canister? John Murr
John,
I have a soft pack in the gap seal. But if I had already owned a canister, I would
have mounted it in front of the engine, like so many others have. BRS should
have instructions for how to mount it on a Firestar.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "mike moulai" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
John,
Why do you really think I chose a Jab with a 62" prop, Any larger dia prop I
will get wound into It.
I never get cold though.
Mike
Moulai
Xtra/Jab 2200
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Leading Edge
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> not many Apes as hairy as me.
>
> Mike/Gang:
>
> How do you keep from getting tangle in the pusher prop?
>
> john h
> hauck's holler, alabama
>
> PS: I'm back after a few days in Florida working on tractors,
> trailers and airplane mufflers. Guess what? My mufflers will last
> much longer, now that I have found out a new way to increase their
> life expectancy. If one locks them up in the 5th wheel and leaves
> them in Woodville, FL, with Bro Jim, those SS buggers will probably
> last forever. ;-) I remain grounded until I can get back down there
> to get them. Jim has a key to the entrance door, but not the dad
> burned cargo door compartment. ;-(
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge failures aka felt |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
How about using 0.050 SO...or just making LE's full of either Bondo
(for the fatties) or micro-balloons for the 103's? Or maybe just
being careful...gnaw, that's too easy.
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
......It seems to me that they are clearly crazy...
He is not crazy, he just has leading edge failures sometimes. Hell I had a
skeeter hit me just right once and it knocked my leading edge off kilter.
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| Subject: | Re: To cut or not to cut? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:48:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
kinnepix@earthlink.net writes:
Bill
I have a handheld you can borrow to get into controlled airspace;
I've used it when the main radio packed up. Not the greatest but it
works!
You c an also phone the tower & get a one-time clearance to enter,
using light signals -- I've always found them cooperative.
You're most welcome to try it --
Hi Russ,
I thank you for the offer and advice. Regarding light signals, I'm somewhat
color blind and have difficulty with red and green. Even traffic signals
gave me trouble until I memorized that the top light is red and the lower is
green. Not sure how I would handle tower lights.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 3/7/2006 3:52:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
etzim62@earthlink.net writes:
I've never had a leading edge fail or a 2-stroke Rotax quit.
Ah but I think the weakest link in any Kolb product is always the
critter in the seat.
:-)
How many hours do you have with a 447? I only have 6 hours on mine! I
think it would be interesting to poll everyone on the list and get an hours flown
to rotax quitting ratio along with the cause of quitting. Anyone ever done
anything like that???
Ed
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Whatever happened to the twin engine Kolb?
http://www.recpower.com/KOLB-1f.jpg
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