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1. 12:22 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation (Kirk Smith)
2. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation (Eugene Zimmerman)
3. 05:58 AM - Leading edge failure (Edward Steuber)
4. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Twin (Todd Fredricks)
5. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation (John Hauck)
6. 07:31 AM - Brakes (gittj)
7. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation (Eugene Zimmerman)
8. 08:40 AM - Re: R100 BMW (Eugene Zimmerman)
9. 09:02 AM - Re: R100 BMW (Herb Gayheart)
10. 09:27 AM - Re: R100 BMW (John Hauck)
11. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation (John Murr)
12. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation (Terry Frantz)
13. 11:20 AM - Anticipated Flyin at Homer's (John Hauck)
14. 03:21 PM - Re: Anticipated Flyin at Homer's (Terry Frantz)
15. 06:03 PM - update on my Job description (ElleryWeld@AOL.COM)
16. 06:08 PM - Fw: HELLO - Dolly take-off... (Larry Cottrell)
17. 06:52 PM - Re: Fw: HELLO - Dolly take-off... (Eugene Zimmerman)
18. 07:19 PM - Re: R100 BMW (Eugene Zimmerman)
19. 07:36 PM - Re: R100 BMW (Eugene Zimmerman)
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> Changed the subject line to better reflect the conversation..
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> Let me see if I have it straight?? No Kolb wing has been documented
> to fail in normal operation!
You certainly have a valid point. No more posts from me on that subject.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:39 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> That's why I chose it in 1983, finally got the $3,495.00 to buy my
> first one in March 1984, and still flying them in 2006.
John,
I saw that nice Firestar of yours at Bill Lock's Flight Farm when
you were in route to Oshkosh. I dont remember if I met you in
person there or not but I remember it as being an excellent fly-in.
Bert Howland was there with his two little planes and I forgot the
guys name with his Monarch flying wing glider, which Bill Lock towed
to altitude with his 582-powered Terratorn.
Bill Martin trailered in Kolbs demonstrators but someone forgot to
pack the struts for their Firestar so the guys back home quickly UPS-
ed them up the next day and I remember being impresses with the fast
shipping service ,,,,,,,,,,,,, but then again Homer was still working
for UPS back then. :-)
Earl flew in that year with our modified Mark II with a 582 while I
provided ground support, hauling all our fuel, gear and grub.
This plane is the one pictured in Earls Frapper profile and is still
flying great with that same engine.
I gave it a face-lift and Earl rebuilt the engine this winter and it
will likely be flown to Homers place again by grandson Eddie as it
was last year on Fathers Day weekend.
Like you, I too am still flying a Kolb with no regrets.
PS
Sure would be nice to have you join the event at Homers this year.
Gene
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| Subject: | Leading edge failure |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Dave,
Don't want to cause anymore anxiety cause there seems to be a lot going
around the list right now.... But ......if you used fiberglass on the leading
edge on top of dacron you may have caused a problem...dacron fabric is used
as a peel ply for fiberglass....check your Aircraft Spruce book or call Ceconite....From
personal experience it peels real easy....the resin will not go
through the weave....if you did it after the dac-proofer you may be OK ????
uncharted waters ?
Inquiring mind ED in Western NY
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox@copper.net>
I wonder how the airflow will be between the props inboard? Piper did this
with overlapping props on a cub many years ago but I never heard how that
experiment went.
I also wonder how the mount will fare under the torque of single engine
flying. Are the props counter-rotating?
Very interesting and also something that could be applied to bigger machines
I would think :)
Todd
On 3/8/06 10:37 PM, "Dave Bigelow" <up_country@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Kamuela, Hawaii
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Todd Fredricks, DO
Flying Fox Services
Visit my Blog at www.flyingfoxhangar.blogspot.com
POWERED BY MAC
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| you were in route to Oshkosh.
| Sure would be nice to have you join the event at Homers this year.
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| Gene
Gene/Gang:
Yep, those were the days. ;-) That would have been the 1989 Flight
Farm Flyin. That was the second year I flew the FS up there. And
yes, I was enroute to Oshkosh. Powered with the old point ign 447, I
had flown to Homer Kolb's for a few days, then up to Bert Howland's in
Maryland, NY, for a week, then flew through all the New England
States, over to the Flight Farm at Monterey, NY. Spent about a week
there, then flew over Niagra Falls for the second time, around
Detroit, up to Sault St Marie, Canada, and finally west and south into
Oshkosh 1989. Weather was terrible the day I flew into OSH. Had been
scud running, right on the deck all the way from Manistique, MI, where
I had RON'd. The "dealers show case" was in full bloom when I circled
the UL strip to land. Before I got out of the FS someone stuck a
microphone in my face. Very exciting times. My little bird won OSH
Grand Champion UL that year. Was a very happy two day flight home to
Alabama from OSH. I think this flight was 25 days and over 3,000
miles, the longest I had done in an UL.
This was 17 years ago with a single point ign 447, and you all are
wondering if your new Rotax will get you around the patch. hehehe
Eugene, that was the year Bert put me in his Honey Bee. Little did he
know he would have a hard time getting me out of it. Was a fun
airplane to fly, landed by itself at 25 mph, but it wasn't a Kolb.
The next year, 1990, is when Homer and Dick Rahill forgot the lift
struts for the FS and had to go back to get them. By that time I had
lost my FS and was ground bound and making plans to build the MKIII I
am flying today.
Got a bc email from Dennis Souder last night. In my reply to him I
mentioned I was considering making the Father's Day Flyin at Homer's
this year. Been 12 years since I have been to the Kolb Farm, 1994,
when I was on my way home from Alaska via the US border. Unless
something unforeseen happens between now and then, I will be at
Homer's for the flyin.
Time sure is flying.
john h
hauck's holler, alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "gittj" <gittj@earthlink.net>
I have had these Brakes laying around here for two years or better , There Tracy
Obrien Hydraulic brakes , I take 150 bucks and you pay the shipping , there
like new they came from Kolb
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On Mar 9, 2006, at 10:25 AM, John Hauck wrote:
> Unless
> something unforeseen happens between now and then, I will be at
> Homer's for the flyin.
Good! Looking forward to meeting you there at the Kolb Farm with all
the "classic" pilots and planes. :-)
Someone should put a marker on the Kolb Frapper satellite map for
Homers place. It can be found easily on the road map. Just look for
Homers little lake between Spring City and Phoenixville then click
satellite and zoom in for amazing detail.
>> Time sure is flying. <<
Yes, for sure! ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, pun intended :-)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Herb,
The guy on the Frapper site is Tim Warlick @ Spanish Fort (AL)
His profile pict shows a BMW powered Kolb flying.
Sure would like to know how the R-100 is working out and some details
about the engine setup?
On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:34 PM, Herb Gayheart wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
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> Gene
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> BMW MkIII flying or nearly so in Greenville,Ky as I recall?
> That him?
> Herb
> On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:58:00 -0500 Eugene Zimmerman
> <etzim62@earthlink.net> writes:
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
>> <etzim62@earthlink.net>
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>> I noticed on the frapper site we have at least one Kolb with a
>> BMW.
>> It sure would be interesting to hear about how this engine is
>> working out?
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>> If Tim Warlick is lurking here or if someone knows of him and his
>> plane,
>> please give us a report on this very interesting engine setup.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
Gene
Do not know him--but am relatively sure that the guy that I saw
several years ago at the Ky state EAA flyin at Rough River State Park has
a BMW on his plane.. Seems that he had some problems with his 582?:-)
Pretty sure his name is Mike Richardson.. I sent his phone to you
privately.. Herb
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:39:35 -0500 Eugene Zimmerman
<etzim62@earthlink.net> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
> <etzim62@earthlink.net>
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> Herb,
> The guy on the Frapper site is Tim Warlick @ Spanish Fort (AL)
> His profile pict shows a BMW powered Kolb flying.
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> Sure would like to know how the R-100 is working out and some
> details
> about the engine setup?
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> On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:34 PM, Herb Gayheart wrote:
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
details
| about the engine setup?
Eugene/Gang:
I flew Tim Warlick about a year ago to get some familiarization in a
MKIII. He had flown his BMW/MKIII a few times before he came up to
fly with me, but did not have much data based on the short time he had
flown it.
Have not heard anything from Tim since our flight.
john h
MKIII
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Murr" <jdm@wideworld.net> operation
What are the coordinates for Homer's farm?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eugene Zimmerman" <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal
operation
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
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> On Mar 9, 2006, at 10:25 AM, John Hauck wrote:
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>> Unless
>> something unforeseen happens between now and then, I will be at
>> Homer's for the flyin.
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> Good! Looking forward to meeting you there at the Kolb Farm with all
> the "classic" pilots and planes. :-)
>
> Someone should put a marker on the Kolb Frapper satellite map for
> Homers place. It can be found easily on the road map. Just look for
> Homers little lake between Spring City and Phoenixville then click
> satellite and zoom in for amazing detail.
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> >> Time sure is flying. <<
> Yes, for sure! ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, pun intended :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Frantz <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
John Murr wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Murr" <jdm@wideworld.net> operation
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>What are the coordinates for Homer's farm?
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Eugene Zimmerman" <etzim62@earthlink.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:29 AM
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal
>operation
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Hey guy's, how about cooling it about the fly-in to Homer's. I have
sent an e-mail message to them to see if their interested in doing it
again this year. It's premature and presumptuous to assume that it is
going to be welcomed again this year. How about waiting to see how they
feel about it. Will let you know!
Terry - Firefly #95
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| Subject: | Anticipated Flyin at Homer's |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| going to be welcomed again this year. |
| Terry - Firefly #95
Terry/Gang:
Reckon you are right.
May not be around come next June. No guarantees, ya know.
I'll probably fly up there anyhow to visit, talk airplanes, look at
and play with all those John Deeres. Didn't have much interest in JD
antiques back when I frequented the Kolb Farm regularly, but now I
have been bitten quite seriously. ;-)
Take care,
john h
PS: Gonna plan on going, if I am still around, but will keep it to
myself, for now.
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| Subject: | Re: Anticipated Flyin at Homer's |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Frantz <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
John Hauck wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
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>| going to be welcomed again this year. |
>| Terry - Firefly #95
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>Terry/Gang:
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>Reckon you are right.
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>May not be around come next June. No guarantees, ya know.
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>I'll probably fly up there anyhow to visit, talk airplanes, look at
>and play with all those John Deeres. Didn't have much interest in JD
>antiques back when I frequented the Kolb Farm regularly, but now I
>have been bitten quite seriously. ;-)
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>Take care,
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>john h
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>PS: Gonna plan on going, if I am still around, but will keep it to
>myself, for now.
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John,
Hope that Clara and homer are agreeable again this year, if so I look
forward to seeing and talking to you again! There a bunch of guys up
here that would like to make your acquaintance.
Just didn't want to have them feel obligated to host us again this
year! They go out of their way to make us welcome and I want to make
sure they wish to do it again this year. You have known them far longer
then most of us and know how gracious they are.
Terry -
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| Subject: | update on my Job description |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
I now have closed my welding business and have gone to work for Telford
Aviation as a Mechanic /Welder/ Machinist. I am working on DH-7's and DH- 8's and
SAAB 340's working 4 days a week and still building other kit planes on the
side and still running my machine shop for Telford Aviation just to keep you all
posted
and flying every chance I get
Ellery in Maine
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| Subject: | Fw: HELLO - Dolly take-off... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Here is a email that I received from one of my friends and I think it is worth
seeing, especially you float plane guys.
Larry, Oregon
Subject: Dolly take-off... You have seen thousands of float planes come
and go...but I'll bet you haven't seen one take off like this. Video was
taken in Prince George, BC....and got to give the pilot full marks for
guts. I imagine you only get one shot at this.--.. notice the fire truck
following them... they obviously had a few doubts themselves.
"Anyway, you have probably heard in "aviation lore" about all sorts of
things pilots have attempted with airplanes. Well, be prepared to witness
one of them. When a floatplane is landed on the grass and taken to the
hangar for maintenance, obviously it has to depart once again. Landing a
floatplane o n grass is easier than becoming airborne on grass. This is
where "Dolly" comes in. Put the aircraft on a "dolly", fire it up, tow it
down the runway, and once a certain speed is attained, push the throttle
to "Warp Factor 9", and you are airborne. Get ready, here is how the good
people at Hill Aircraft Service Ltd. in Prince George, B.C., accomplish a
"dolly take-off"!"
http://www.hillair.com/images/Dolleytakeoffweb3.wmv
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: HELLO - Dolly take-off... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
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> Subject: Dolly take-off... You have seen thousands of float planes
> come
> and go...but I'll bet you haven't seen one take off like this.
Another one
http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showtopic=127
click "Trailer Launch"
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On Mar 9, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
> The guy on the Frapper site is Tim Warlick @ Spanish Fort (AL)
> His profile pict shows a BMW powered Kolb flying.
Hey guys check this out .
Tim just added a few more picts of his BMW
http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=700224&pid=1524936
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
Thanks Tim,
VERY neat picts!
Have you experienced any cooling problems with the engine?
Is that a Rotax C gear box?
> http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=700224&pid=1524936
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