---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/09/06: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:22 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation (Kirk Smith) 2. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation (Eugene Zimmerman) 3. 05:58 AM - Leading edge failure (Edward Steuber) 4. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Twin (Todd Fredricks) 5. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation (John Hauck) 6. 07:31 AM - Brakes (gittj) 7. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation (Eugene Zimmerman) 8. 08:40 AM - Re: R100 BMW (Eugene Zimmerman) 9. 09:02 AM - Re: R100 BMW (Herb Gayheart) 10. 09:27 AM - Re: R100 BMW (John Hauck) 11. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation (John Murr) 12. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation (Terry Frantz) 13. 11:20 AM - Anticipated Flyin at Homer's (John Hauck) 14. 03:21 PM - Re: Anticipated Flyin at Homer's (Terry Frantz) 15. 06:03 PM - update on my Job description (ElleryWeld@AOL.COM) 16. 06:08 PM - Fw: HELLO - Dolly take-off... (Larry Cottrell) 17. 06:52 PM - Re: Fw: HELLO - Dolly take-off... (Eugene Zimmerman) 18. 07:19 PM - Re: R100 BMW (Eugene Zimmerman) 19. 07:36 PM - Re: R100 BMW (Eugene Zimmerman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:49 AM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > Changed the subject line to better reflect the conversation.. > > Let me see if I have it straight?? No Kolb wing has been documented > to fail in normal operation! You certainly have a valid point. No more posts from me on that subject. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:36 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:39 PM, John Hauck wrote: > That's why I chose it in 1983, finally got the $3,495.00 to buy my > first one in March 1984, and still flying them in 2006. John, I saw that nice Firestar of yours at Bill Lock's Flight Farm when you were in route to Oshkosh. I dont remember if I met you in person there or not but I remember it as being an excellent fly-in. Bert Howland was there with his two little planes and I forgot the guys name with his Monarch flying wing glider, which Bill Lock towed to altitude with his 582-powered Terratorn. Bill Martin trailered in Kolbs demonstrators but someone forgot to pack the struts for their Firestar so the guys back home quickly UPS- ed them up the next day and I remember being impresses with the fast shipping service ,,,,,,,,,,,,, but then again Homer was still working for UPS back then. :-) Earl flew in that year with our modified Mark II with a 582 while I provided ground support, hauling all our fuel, gear and grub. This plane is the one pictured in Earls Frapper profile and is still flying great with that same engine. I gave it a face-lift and Earl rebuilt the engine this winter and it will likely be flown to Homers place again by grandson Eddie as it was last year on Fathers Day weekend. Like you, I too am still flying a Kolb with no regrets. PS Sure would be nice to have you join the event at Homers this year. Gene ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:13 AM PST US From: "Edward Steuber" Subject: Kolb-List: Leading edge failure --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" Dave, Don't want to cause anymore anxiety cause there seems to be a lot going around the list right now.... But ......if you used fiberglass on the leading edge on top of dacron you may have caused a problem...dacron fabric is used as a peel ply for fiberglass....check your Aircraft Spruce book or call Ceconite....From personal experience it peels real easy....the resin will not go through the weave....if you did it after the dac-proofer you may be OK ???? uncharted waters ? Inquiring mind ED in Western NY ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Twin From: Todd Fredricks --> Kolb-List message posted by: Todd Fredricks I wonder how the airflow will be between the props inboard? Piper did this with overlapping props on a cub many years ago but I never heard how that experiment went. I also wonder how the mount will fare under the torque of single engine flying. Are the props counter-rotating? Very interesting and also something that could be applied to bigger machines I would think :) Todd On 3/8/06 10:37 PM, "Dave Bigelow" wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow" > > Look here - project is moving along: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=3398&start=10 > > -------- > Dave Bigelow > Kamuela, Hawaii > FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=20500#20500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Todd Fredricks, DO Flying Fox Services Visit my Blog at www.flyingfoxhangar.blogspot.com POWERED BY MAC ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:50 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | you were in route to Oshkosh. | Sure would be nice to have you join the event at Homers this year. | | Gene Gene/Gang: Yep, those were the days. ;-) That would have been the 1989 Flight Farm Flyin. That was the second year I flew the FS up there. And yes, I was enroute to Oshkosh. Powered with the old point ign 447, I had flown to Homer Kolb's for a few days, then up to Bert Howland's in Maryland, NY, for a week, then flew through all the New England States, over to the Flight Farm at Monterey, NY. Spent about a week there, then flew over Niagra Falls for the second time, around Detroit, up to Sault St Marie, Canada, and finally west and south into Oshkosh 1989. Weather was terrible the day I flew into OSH. Had been scud running, right on the deck all the way from Manistique, MI, where I had RON'd. The "dealers show case" was in full bloom when I circled the UL strip to land. Before I got out of the FS someone stuck a microphone in my face. Very exciting times. My little bird won OSH Grand Champion UL that year. Was a very happy two day flight home to Alabama from OSH. I think this flight was 25 days and over 3,000 miles, the longest I had done in an UL. This was 17 years ago with a single point ign 447, and you all are wondering if your new Rotax will get you around the patch. hehehe Eugene, that was the year Bert put me in his Honey Bee. Little did he know he would have a hard time getting me out of it. Was a fun airplane to fly, landed by itself at 25 mph, but it wasn't a Kolb. The next year, 1990, is when Homer and Dick Rahill forgot the lift struts for the FS and had to go back to get them. By that time I had lost my FS and was ground bound and making plans to build the MKIII I am flying today. Got a bc email from Dennis Souder last night. In my reply to him I mentioned I was considering making the Father's Day Flyin at Homer's this year. Been 12 years since I have been to the Kolb Farm, 1994, when I was on my way home from Alaska via the US border. Unless something unforeseen happens between now and then, I will be at Homer's for the flyin. Time sure is flying. john h hauck's holler, alabama ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:09 AM PST US From: "gittj" Subject: Kolb-List: Brakes --> Kolb-List message posted by: "gittj" I have had these Brakes laying around here for two years or better , There Tracy Obrien Hydraulic brakes , I take 150 bucks and you pay the shipping , there like new they came from Kolb ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:06 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman On Mar 9, 2006, at 10:25 AM, John Hauck wrote: > Unless > something unforeseen happens between now and then, I will be at > Homer's for the flyin. Good! Looking forward to meeting you there at the Kolb Farm with all the "classic" pilots and planes. :-) Someone should put a marker on the Kolb Frapper satellite map for Homers place. It can be found easily on the road map. Just look for Homers little lake between Spring City and Phoenixville then click satellite and zoom in for amazing detail. >> Time sure is flying. << Yes, for sure! ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, pun intended :-) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:03 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: R100 BMW --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Herb, The guy on the Frapper site is Tim Warlick @ Spanish Fort (AL) His profile pict shows a BMW powered Kolb flying. Sure would like to know how the R-100 is working out and some details about the engine setup? On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:34 PM, Herb Gayheart wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart > > Gene > > BMW MkIII flying or nearly so in Greenville,Ky as I recall? > That him? > Herb > On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:58:00 -0500 Eugene Zimmerman > writes: >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman >> >> >> I noticed on the frapper site we have at least one Kolb with a >> BMW. >> It sure would be interesting to hear about how this engine is >> working out? >> >> If Tim Warlick is lurking here or if someone knows of him and his >> plane, >> please give us a report on this very interesting engine setup. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Its what we learn after we know everything that is the most important. > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: R100 BMW From: Herb Gayheart --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart Gene Do not know him--but am relatively sure that the guy that I saw several years ago at the Ky state EAA flyin at Rough River State Park has a BMW on his plane.. Seems that he had some problems with his 582?:-) Pretty sure his name is Mike Richardson.. I sent his phone to you privately.. Herb On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:39:35 -0500 Eugene Zimmerman writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman > > > Herb, > The guy on the Frapper site is Tim Warlick @ Spanish Fort (AL) > His profile pict shows a BMW powered Kolb flying. > > Sure would like to know how the R-100 is working out and some > details > about the engine setup? > > > > On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:34 PM, Herb Gayheart wrote: > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:38 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: R100 BMW --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" details | about the engine setup? Eugene/Gang: I flew Tim Warlick about a year ago to get some familiarization in a MKIII. He had flown his BMW/MKIII a few times before he came up to fly with me, but did not have much data based on the short time he had flown it. Have not heard anything from Tim since our flight. john h MKIII ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:18 AM PST US From: "John Murr" operation Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Murr" operation What are the coordinates for Homer's farm? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Zimmerman" Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman > > > On Mar 9, 2006, at 10:25 AM, John Hauck wrote: > >> Unless >> something unforeseen happens between now and then, I will be at >> Homer's for the flyin. > > Good! Looking forward to meeting you there at the Kolb Farm with all > the "classic" pilots and planes. :-) > > Someone should put a marker on the Kolb Frapper satellite map for > Homers place. It can be found easily on the road map. Just look for > Homers little lake between Spring City and Phoenixville then click > satellite and zoom in for amazing detail. > > >> Time sure is flying. << > Yes, for sure! ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, pun intended :-) > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:54 AM PST US From: Terry Frantz Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal operation --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Frantz John Murr wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Murr" operation > >What are the coordinates for Homer's farm? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eugene Zimmerman" >To: >Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:29 AM >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge that has never failed in normal >operation > > > > Hey guy's, how about cooling it about the fly-in to Homer's. I have sent an e-mail message to them to see if their interested in doing it again this year. It's premature and presumptuous to assume that it is going to be welcomed again this year. How about waiting to see how they feel about it. Will let you know! Terry - Firefly #95 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:09 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Anticipated Flyin at Homer's --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | going to be welcomed again this year. | | Terry - Firefly #95 Terry/Gang: Reckon you are right. May not be around come next June. No guarantees, ya know. I'll probably fly up there anyhow to visit, talk airplanes, look at and play with all those John Deeres. Didn't have much interest in JD antiques back when I frequented the Kolb Farm regularly, but now I have been bitten quite seriously. ;-) Take care, john h PS: Gonna plan on going, if I am still around, but will keep it to myself, for now. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:39 PM PST US From: Terry Frantz Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Anticipated Flyin at Homer's --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Frantz John Hauck wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > >| going to be welcomed again this year. | >| Terry - Firefly #95 > >Terry/Gang: > >Reckon you are right. > >May not be around come next June. No guarantees, ya know. > >I'll probably fly up there anyhow to visit, talk airplanes, look at >and play with all those John Deeres. Didn't have much interest in JD >antiques back when I frequented the Kolb Farm regularly, but now I >have been bitten quite seriously. ;-) > >Take care, > >john h > >PS: Gonna plan on going, if I am still around, but will keep it to >myself, for now. > > > John, Hope that Clara and homer are agreeable again this year, if so I look forward to seeing and talking to you again! There a bunch of guys up here that would like to make your acquaintance. Just didn't want to have them feel obligated to host us again this year! They go out of their way to make us welcome and I want to make sure they wish to do it again this year. You have known them far longer then most of us and know how gracious they are. Terry - ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:15 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@AOL.COM Subject: Kolb-List: update on my Job description --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com I now have closed my welding business and have gone to work for Telford Aviation as a Mechanic /Welder/ Machinist. I am working on DH-7's and DH- 8's and SAAB 340's working 4 days a week and still building other kit planes on the side and still running my machine shop for Telford Aviation just to keep you all posted and flying every chance I get Ellery in Maine ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:52 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: HELLO - Dolly take-off... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" Here is a email that I received from one of my friends and I think it is worth seeing, especially you float plane guys. Larry, Oregon Subject: Dolly take-off... You have seen thousands of float planes come and go...but I'll bet you haven't seen one take off like this. Video was taken in Prince George, BC....and got to give the pilot full marks for guts. I imagine you only get one shot at this.--.. notice the fire truck following them... they obviously had a few doubts themselves. "Anyway, you have probably heard in "aviation lore" about all sorts of things pilots have attempted with airplanes. Well, be prepared to witness one of them. When a floatplane is landed on the grass and taken to the hangar for maintenance, obviously it has to depart once again. Landing a floatplane o n grass is easier than becoming airborne on grass. This is where "Dolly" comes in. Put the aircraft on a "dolly", fire it up, tow it down the runway, and once a certain speed is attained, push the throttle to "Warp Factor 9", and you are airborne. Get ready, here is how the good people at Hill Aircraft Service Ltd. in Prince George, B.C., accomplish a "dolly take-off"!" http://www.hillair.com/images/Dolleytakeoffweb3.wmv ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:38 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: HELLO - Dolly take-off... --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman On Mar 9, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > Subject: Dolly take-off... You have seen thousands of float planes > come > and go...but I'll bet you haven't seen one take off like this. Another one http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showtopic=127 click "Trailer Launch" ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:23 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: R100 BMW --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman On Mar 9, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > The guy on the Frapper site is Tim Warlick @ Spanish Fort (AL) > His profile pict shows a BMW powered Kolb flying. Hey guys check this out . Tim just added a few more picts of his BMW http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=700224&pid=1524936 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:09 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: R100 BMW --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Thanks Tim, VERY neat picts! Have you experienced any cooling problems with the engine? Is that a Rotax C gear box? > http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=700224&pid=1524936