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1. 04:46 AM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (Eugene Zimmerman)
2. 05:00 AM - Heavy Extra (Edward Steuber)
3. 05:45 AM - Heavy Extra (Denny Rowe)
4. 06:07 AM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (David Key)
5. 08:59 AM - Re: Heavy Extra (N27SB@AOL.COM)
6. 09:24 AM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (WillUribe@aol.com)
7. 09:29 AM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (John Murr)
8. 09:41 AM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-| (David Key)
9. 09:45 AM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (John Murr)
10. 10:22 AM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (robert bean)
11. 11:44 AM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (Denny Rowe)
12. 01:02 PM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-| (John Jung)
13. 01:10 PM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (Cat36Fly@aol.com)
14. 02:58 PM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (mike moulai)
15. 03:15 PM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (mike moulai)
16. 04:00 PM - sun-n-fun (Paul Petty)
17. 04:19 PM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (David Key)
18. 04:19 PM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (Dennis Souder)
19. 04:58 PM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-| (Robert Mason)
20. 06:37 PM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (John Hauck)
21. 06:46 PM - Video of Bob Hoover (Bill Vincent)
22. 07:01 PM - Re: Video of Bob Hoover (ray anderson)
23. 07:22 PM - Re: Video of Bob Hoover (Mike Schnabel)
24. 07:34 PM - Re: Video of Bob Hoover (Jimmy)
25. 08:10 PM - Re: Video of Bob Hoover (Bill Vincent)
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-( |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On Mar 14, 2006, at 10:39 PM, David Key wrote:
> I have flaperons. Tell me where I lost you?
Oh Sorry, I assumed that with those 80 extra pounds you also had the
standard flaps.
Where does your plane have those "extra" pounds ?
Seems like 80 lb. would be an awfully lot of weight to loose just
off the chrome-molly cage.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
David,
The majority of the flying most of us do is local so the weight can be
dealt with by using care. The few times you will be traveling "loaded" can also
be dealt with . I am sure some of our more adventuresome types have gone far
beyond the max gross that these machines are "legal ".
I own a Grumman Agcat I use in my cropdusting business and it was certified
with a 1250 # load capacity....by merely loading it till the pilot decides
the "safely controllable" weight and making a log entry to that effect he can
legally fly the airplane...under restricted category. My plane now has 16000
hours with a lot of the time spent well over 2,000 # load. No popped rivets ,
no cracked tubing ...never been wrecked. Lots of real demanding work done....!
Not that I am saying to do this with your Kolb but a little common sense goes
a long way ...
I know our little Kolbs did not come out of the Grumman "Iron Works" but
they will take a lot of load before they fall out of the sky or fail. Correct
me if I am wrong , but here in the USA we can set our own gross weight when the
experimental is built by the builder at the time of certification....and no
destructive testing done......
Hey BB, your will-power must be awesome...I can't get by the dessert table
.....no wonder my son gets the ultrastar in the air 50 feet shorter...I use
to be called Fast Eddy...now they leave the s out...
Fat Eddy in Western NY
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
My Mk-3 came in at 470# which is exceptionally light but most 582 powered birds
I hear about are closer to 530 to 560.
Seems the Extra is a heavier bird with the wider cockpit, tail and instrument pod,
steel gear legs, etc, if yours is 570 lb? I don't think its that much heavier
than normal.
Denny Rowe,
Mk-3, 690L-70
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-( |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
I called Kolb and they said the old ones were 80lbs heavier than the new
ones.
It's kinda like buying a 2005 Toyota Camary knowing that it gets 30 miles to
the gallon and finding out when you got home that the one you bought gets
15% less gas mileage than all the other 2005 Toyota Camarys because you
bought the wrong serial number. It's a surprise and not a good one.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 3/15/2006 8:45:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rowedl@highstream.net writes:
Seems the Extra is a heavier bird with the wider cockpit, tail and
instrument pod, steel gear legs, etc, if yours is 570 lb? I don't think its that
much
heavier than normal.
Denny Rowe,
Mk-3, 690L-70
To all
I talked to Bryan today, He seems to remember that the factory xtra came out
at 580#. That was with heavy gear legs, all the bells and extra heavy thick
glossy paint. also a 912S.
Steve B
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
David,
I don't understand what your talking about. All auto makers make changes to
their models all the time every time. When did you buy your Xtra, did you buy
a pre owned Xtra? Your heavy, early Xtra should be faster.
As I recall, TNK hired an airplane designer, he made many flight tests on
the classic to design it with rounded edges so as to reduce wind drag and
thereby increase fuel efficiency. I remember seeing pictures in magazines with
streamers taped all over the classic's wings, fuselage and tail. After the
redesign of the classic the Xtra was born, there was more steel added to the
fuselage to make it more aerodynamic and a bigger horizontal stabilizer was
added. After building a few it was determined that the Xtra would not make the
ultralight trainer weight so all the extra steel was no longer added, the
bigger horizontal stabilizer was changed back to the classic and I believe the
flaps were also changed. This is from memory so don't quote me on this.
Regards,
Guillermo Uribe
FireStar II N4GU
El Paso, TX
In a message dated 3/15/2006 7:07:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
dhkey@msn.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
I called Kolb and they said the old ones were 80lbs heavier than the new
ones.
It's kinda like buying a 2005 Toyota Camary knowing that it gets 30 miles to
the gallon and finding out when you got home that the one you bought gets
15% less gas mileage than all the other 2005 Toyota Camarys because you
bought the wrong serial number. It's a surprise and not a good one.
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-( |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Murr" <jdm@wideworld.net>
Do you want to sell it?
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heavy Xtra :-(
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>
> I called Kolb and they said the old ones were 80lbs heavier than the new
> ones.
>
> It's kinda like buying a 2005 Toyota Camary knowing that it gets 30 miles
> to
> the gallon and finding out when you got home that the one you bought gets
> 15% less gas mileage than all the other 2005 Toyota Camarys because you
> bought the wrong serial number. It's a surprise and not a good one.
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Nevermind I'm over it. I won't know how much it weighs till I'm done
building it and that hasn't happened, yet. I'm going to enjoy it anyway so
it doesn't matter. I'll do the math myself when I'm done and that's going to
be it. I'd like to be able to carry 15 gallons of gas and someone who is
220. If I can great if I can't too bad for my friends over 220 not my
problem. I'm over it.
>From: WillUribe@aol.com
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Heavy Xtra :-(
>Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:23:30 EST
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>
>David,
>I don't understand what your talking about. All auto makers make changes
>to
>their models all the time every time. When did you buy your Xtra, did you
>buy
>a pre owned Xtra? Your heavy, early Xtra should be faster.
>
>As I recall, TNK hired an airplane designer, he made many flight tests on
>the classic to design it with rounded edges so as to reduce wind drag and
>thereby increase fuel efficiency. I remember seeing pictures in magazines
>with
>streamers taped all over the classic's wings, fuselage and tail. After
>the
>redesign of the classic the Xtra was born, there was more steel added to
>the
>fuselage to make it more aerodynamic and a bigger horizontal stabilizer
>was
>added. After building a few it was determined that the Xtra would not
>make the
>ultralight trainer weight so all the extra steel was no longer added, the
>bigger horizontal stabilizer was changed back to the classic and I believe
>the
>flaps were also changed. This is from memory so don't quote me on this.
>
>Regards,
>Guillermo Uribe
>FireStar II N4GU
>El Paso, TX
>
>
>In a message dated 3/15/2006 7:07:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
>dhkey@msn.com writes:
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>
>I called Kolb and they said the old ones were 80lbs heavier than the new
>ones.
>
>It's kinda like buying a 2005 Toyota Camary knowing that it gets 30 miles
>to
>the gallon and finding out when you got home that the one you bought gets
>15% less gas mileage than all the other 2005 Toyota Camarys because you
>bought the wrong serial number. It's a surprise and not a good one.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-( |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Murr" <jdm@wideworld.net>
Would you consider selling? You can contact me off line if you'd like.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heavy Xtra :-(
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>
> I called Kolb and they said the old ones were 80lbs heavier than the new
> ones.
>
> It's kinda like buying a 2005 Toyota Camary knowing that it gets 30 miles
> to
> the gallon and finding out when you got home that the one you bought gets
> 15% less gas mileage than all the other 2005 Toyota Camarys because you
> bought the wrong serial number. It's a surprise and not a good one.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-( |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
A couple years back I was nearly ready to fly my MkIIIc for the first
time
and figured it wouldn't hurt to get a factory familiarization hop.
Turned out they were having ignition problems with the demo Xtra
and they advised me so before I headed south. (was visiting a TN
friend anyway). I dropped in to TNK to at least take a looksee and
got to look over the grounded bird. It sure looked to be built to as
minimum
a design possible to still be structurally sound. I would not have
hesitated
to have done a few circuits in it. Whatever they did to remove 80 lbs
later
must have been an intensive effort.
I did get the opportunity to meet John Williamson who happened by
the same day.
BTW, after I returned to the "nawth country" I jumped into my raggedy
hybrid monstrosity and went for it. The little Kolb behaved just like a
real airplane.
One of these days I may drop in again for that ride. :)
-BB do not archive
On 15, Mar 2006, at 9:05 AM, David Key wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>
> I called Kolb and they said the old ones were 80lbs heavier than the
> new
> ones.
>
> It's kinda like buying a 2005 Toyota Camary knowing that it gets 30
> miles to
> the gallon and finding out when you got home that the one you bought
> gets
> 15% less gas mileage than all the other 2005 Toyota Camarys because you
> bought the wrong serial number. It's a surprise and not a good one.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-( |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Wow,
I, like someone else mentioned am having a hard time figuring where an extra
eighty pounds could come from between an early model to a later of the same
Kolb.
There is no way I can imagine the thin wall tubing adding up to that kind of
weight. Heck, eighteen pounds maybe, but Eighty?
Any how, good luck with the building and keep us posted on the finished
weight, all those out there with finished Xtras, let us know where your
weights came in.
Thoughts everybody?
Denny
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-| |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
What Wiil said is what I recall, too. I have always liked the Extra and the original
one would be my choice. I have watched John Hauck land his Mark III often
enought to appreciate flaps. And most people would opt for dual controls anyway.
Why not have the plane as originally designed rather then the redesign for
an obsolete rule?
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=21962#21962
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-( |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
My X-tra came in at 542 lbs with a 582, 3 blade warp, radio, X-ponder,
electric start, strobes, intercom, tundra tires, hyd brakes and full dual controls
& 10 gal tanks. I can still haul a 200 pounder with full tanks. Currently
hauling 150 lbs of sand for company.
Larry Tasker
MKlll x 582
N615RT
PS Also just picked up repairman's cert.
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-( |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "mike moulai" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
David,
Is it painted with Polytone or enamel?.
Mike
Xtra/Jab 2200
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heavy Xtra :-(
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>
> Robert, I'm not there yet, I'm at the part where I try to figure out what
> I'm going to do with 80 extra pounds that do nothing except decrease climb
> rate and decrease useful load and increase take off roll and increase
> landing roll. Maybe someone with a light xtra can throw in an 80lb sand
> bag,
> wait they don't make sand bags that heavy, well grab a couple and tell me
> what performance I can expect. Instead of flying like I'm 180 it will fly
> like I weigh 260. Im one of those guys that doesnt like the BRSs because
> I dont want to give up the 20lbs every time I fly, shoot at least that
> 20lbs might save my life this 80lbs does nothing for me and I'll have it
> EVERY TIME I FLY!
>
> A month or so ago, I ask the list if there were different versions because
> I
> had heard there might be. I got answers that the stabs were different; no
> one mentioned the 80lb difference. I found out today that I should of ask
> the Kolb company, my bad.
>
> Im done venting. Ive ask the Kolb company for the numbers to the plane
> Ive bought. This is probably one of those times where I should keep my
> mouth shut.
>
>
> From: Robert Mason <masonclan@sbcglobal.net>
> To: Kolb List <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heavy Xtra :-(
> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:59:59 -0800
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Mason <masonclan@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>> >
>> > Wow, I just found out that I have a heavy xtra... besides having 80lbs
>>less
>> > usefull load!! can some one tell me the benifits of a heavy xtra? I'm
>>less
>> > than excited about this.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > David,
>>
>>I just did my WB last week, came in at 570lbs, was a little surprised,
>>what
>>was your empty weight?
>>
>>Robert Mason
>>M3X 582
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-( |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "mike moulai" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Denny,
My Xtra/Jab = 534.6 lb.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heavy Xtra :-(
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Wow,
> I, like someone else mentioned am having a hard time figuring where an
> extra
> eighty pounds could come from between an early model to a later of the
> same
> Kolb.
> There is no way I can imagine the thin wall tubing adding up to that kind
> of
> weight. Heck, eighteen pounds maybe, but Eighty?
> Any how, good luck with the building and keep us posted on the finished
> weight, all those out there with finished Xtras, let us know where your
> weights came in.
>
> Thoughts everybody?
>
> Denny
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@g-gate.net>
Fellow Kolbers,
Who all will be at sun-n-fun this year? I will be there friday afternoon untill
sunday morning. 7th-9th. Would like to meet some of you people. Also will be
camping. Iwill arrive via Delta airlines to MCO then rental car it to Lakeland.
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=21995#21995
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-( |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
I am painting next it will be PolyTone
>From: "mike moulai" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heavy Xtra :-(
>Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:55:50 -0000
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "mike moulai"
><kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
>
>David,
>Is it painted with Polytone or enamel?.
>
>Mike
>Xtra/Jab 2200
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:04 AM
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heavy Xtra :-(
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
> >
> > Robert, I'm not there yet, I'm at the part where I try to figure out
>what
> > I'm going to do with 80 extra pounds that do nothing except decrease
>climb
> > rate and decrease useful load and increase take off roll and increase
> > landing roll. Maybe someone with a light xtra can throw in an 80lb sand
> > bag,
> > wait they don't make sand bags that heavy, well grab a couple and tell
>me
> > what performance I can expect. Instead of flying like I'm 180 it will
>fly
> > like I weigh 260. Im one of those guys that doesnt like the BRSs because
> > I dont want to give up the 20lbs every time I fly, shoot at least that
> > 20lbs might save my life this 80lbs does nothing for me and I'll have it
> > EVERY TIME I FLY!
> >
> > A month or so ago, I ask the list if there were different versions
>because
> > I
> > had heard there might be. I got answers that the stabs were different;
>no
> > one mentioned the 80lb difference. I found out today that I should of
>ask
> > the Kolb company, my bad.
> >
> > Im done venting. Ive ask the Kolb company for the numbers to the plane
> > Ive bought. This is probably one of those times where I should keep my
> > mouth shut.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Robert Mason <masonclan@sbcglobal.net>
> > To: Kolb List <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heavy Xtra :-(
> > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:59:59 -0800
> >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Mason <masonclan@sbcglobal.net>
> >>
> >> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
> >> >
> >> > Wow, I just found out that I have a heavy xtra... besides having
>80lbs
> >>less
> >> > usefull load!! can some one tell me the benifits of a heavy xtra? I'm
> >>less
> >> > than excited about this.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > David,
> >>
> >>I just did my WB last week, came in at 570lbs, was a little surprised,
> >>what
> >>was your empty weight?
> >>
> >>Robert Mason
> >>M3X 582
> >>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
Kolb weightwatchers,
It is my recollection that the TOK Mark-III demonstrator weighed 530 lbs.,
equipped with 912, BRS, Matco hyd brakes, alum gear legs, battery, EIS and
other instruments, 3-blade warp, intercom, dual controls.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cat36Fly@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heavy Xtra :-(
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
My X-tra came in at 542 lbs with a 582, 3 blade warp, radio, X-ponder,
electric start, strobes, intercom, tundra tires, hyd brakes and full dual
controls
& 10 gal tanks. I can still haul a 200 pounder with full tanks. Currently
hauling 150 lbs of sand for company.
Larry Tasker
MKlll x 582
N615RT
PS Also just picked up repairman's cert.
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-| |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Mason <masonclan@sbcglobal.net>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>
> Nevermind I'm over it. I won't know how much it weighs till I'm done
> building it and that hasn't happened, yet. I'm going to enjoy it anyway so
> it doesn't matter. I'll do the math myself when I'm done and that's going to
> be it. I'd like to be able to carry 15 gallons of gas and someone who is
> 220. If I can great if I can't too bad for my friends over 220 not my
> problem. I'm over it.
>
>
>> From: WillUribe@aol.com
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Heavy Xtra :-(
>> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:23:30 EST
>>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>>
>> David,
>> I don't understand what your talking about. All auto makers make changes
>> to
>> their models all the time every time. When did you buy your Xtra, did you
>> buy
>> a pre owned Xtra? Your heavy, early Xtra should be faster.
>>
>> As I recall, TNK hired an airplane designer, he made many flight tests on
>> the classic to design it with rounded edges so as to reduce wind drag and
>> thereby increase fuel efficiency. I remember seeing pictures in magazines
>> with
>> streamers taped all over the classic's wings, fuselage and tail. After
>> the
>> redesign of the classic the Xtra was born, there was more steel added to
>> the
>> fuselage to make it more aerodynamic and a bigger horizontal stabilizer
>> was
>> added. After building a few it was determined that the Xtra would not
>> make the
>> ultralight trainer weight so all the extra steel was no longer added, the
>> bigger horizontal stabilizer was changed back to the classic and I believe
>> the
>> flaps were also changed. This is from memory so don't quote me on this.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Guillermo Uribe
>> FireStar II N4GU
>> El Paso, TX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 3/15/2006 7:07:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
>> dhkey@msn.com writes:
>>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
>>
>> I called Kolb and they said the old ones were 80lbs heavier than the new
>> ones.
>>
>> It's kinda like buying a 2005 Toyota Camary knowing that it gets 30 miles
>> to
>> the gallon and finding out when you got home that the one you bought gets
>> 15% less gas mileage than all the other 2005 Toyota Camarys because you
>> bought the wrong serial number. It's a surprise and not a good one.
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> Happy to know that my bathroom scales were right on!
Robert Mason
M3X with flaps
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-( |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|
| Mike
Mike:
The MKIII Xtra extra weight is the 912ULS. That's where the other 50
lbs comes from. ;-)
Dennis Souder weighed my MKIII during one of my op stops at Homer
Kolb's. In 1994, Dennis said it weighed, correct me if I am wrong,
Dennis, 630 lbs. Now that was nearly 12 years ago and it was being
pushed along with a little 912UL. I haven't weighed it in a long
time, but I know I have added heavier wheels, brakes, axles, tires,
heavier gut (mine), since Dennis did the weigh-in at Homer's while I
slept and unbeknownst to me at the time.
As the builder of my MKIII I placarded the max gross weight at 1,200
lbs. This was done primarily to cover me if I totaled the airplane
and the insurance company discovered it was over 1,000 lbs gross
weight as recommended by the Old Kolb Company. As the builder I added
enough "stuff" here and there to insure the MKIII was more than
capable of handling the 1,200 lb gross weight I designated for my
airplane. It had been thoroughly flight tested over the years and has
proven to be a great little airplane. Normal takeoff weight on
serious cross country flights with 150 lbs of fuel, me and my gear, is
approximately 1,200 lbs. It flies well at that weight, and as I fly,
it loses weight and I gain it.
Take care,
john h
PS: My old MKIII SN: M3-011 has a lot of dope and paint on it. It
was built to fly and show at the time I built it. A lot of paint is a
lot of weight.
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| Subject: | Video of Bob Hoover |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi Gang
I happened to come across this old video of Bob Hoover in action.
This is not Kolb related...but...I thought it was worth sharing it with everyone....don't
try this while flying your Kolb's :-)
Do Not Archive
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Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Video of Bob Hoover |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
If you never saw him do his routine in his old P51, in person, you have missed
a piece of aviation airshow history.
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Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent"
Hi Gang
I happened to come across this old video of Bob Hoover in action.
This is not Kolb related...but...I thought it was worth sharing it with everyone....don't
try this while flying your Kolb's :-)
Do Not Archive
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Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22030#22030
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| Subject: | Re: Video of Bob Hoover |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
Bill,
Great clip of the amazing Bob Hoover!
My first personal witness of Hoover's prowess was at Oshkosh (where else) after
they finally reinstated his flight privileges (199? something or other). Seeing
him fly the twin commander in his Energy Conservation routine was nothing
short of amazing. Some say there should have been background music playing for
effect, but I disagree... the music to me was the sound the wind made crossing
his wings as he swooped by the flight line... a stunning display of what can
be done with an airplane when its flown with a natural touch. Bob sure had that.
No telling what he could have done with our little Kolbs!
Mike S
Firestar 2 503
Manchester TN
Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent"
Hi Gang
I happened to come across this old video of Bob Hoover in action.
This is not Kolb related...but...I thought it was worth sharing it with everyone....don't
try this while flying your Kolb's :-)
Do Not Archive
--------
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22030#22030
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| Subject: | Re: Video of Bob Hoover |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy" <jhankin@planters.net>
Could not view video, only a long series of numbers and letters.
Do Not Archive
Jimmy Hankinson
912-863-7384
Firefly 035
JYL (Sylvania)
Pegasus Field (Home)
2000 Feet X 100 Feet- Grass
Rocky Ford, Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Video of Bob Hoover |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi Mike
I have also seen him fly the commander in our area and at Oshkosh, truly
amazing!
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Schnabel" <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video of Bob Hoover
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
>
> Bill,
>
> Great clip of the amazing Bob Hoover!
>
> My first personal witness of Hoover's prowess was at Oshkosh (where else)
> after they finally reinstated his flight privileges (199? something or
> other). Seeing him fly the twin commander in his Energy Conservation
> routine was nothing short of amazing. Some say there should have been
> background music playing for effect, but I disagree... the music to me was
> the sound the wind made crossing his wings as he swooped by the flight
> line... a stunning display of what can be done with an airplane when its
> flown with a natural touch. Bob sure had that. No telling what he could
> have done with our little Kolbs!
>
> Mike S
> Firestar 2 503
> Manchester TN
>
>
> Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent"
>
> Hi Gang
> I happened to come across this old video of Bob Hoover in action.
> This is not Kolb related...but...I thought it was worth sharing it with
> everyone....don't try this while flying your Kolb's :-)
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> --------
> Bill Vincent
> Firestar II
> Upper Peninsula of Michigan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22030#22030
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