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1. 04:35 AM - Re: Video of Bob Hoover (Eugene Zimmerman)
2. 06:00 AM - Re: Land Shorter VG's on Firestar II (possums)
3. 06:00 AM - q (Russ Kinne)
4. 06:03 AM - Re: Video of Bob Hoover (Russ Kinne)
5. 06:43 AM - Viewing Windows Media files on MACs (John Jung)
6. 07:33 AM - Hoover video... (Jeremy Casey)
7. 07:57 AM - Re: Hoover video... (Russ Kinne)
8. 08:10 AM - trip (Russ Kinne)
9. 08:11 AM - Re: Hoover video... (FS2Kolb@aol.com)
10. 08:12 AM - Re: Hoover video... (Russ Kinne)
11. 08:22 AM - Re: Hoover video... (John Hauck)
12. 08:36 AM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (JetPilot)
13. 08:38 AM - Re: Hoover video... (Russ Kinne)
14. 08:47 AM - Re: q (Eugene Zimmerman)
15. 08:59 AM - Re: Hoover video... (Herb Gayheart)
16. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (WillUribe@aol.com)
17. 09:09 AM - Fw: Hoover video... (John Murr)
18. 09:52 AM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (WillUribe@aol.com)
19. 10:06 AM - Heavy Xtra (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
20. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: Heavy Xtra :-) (David Key)
21. 10:23 AM - Re: q (Robert Noyer)
22. 10:51 AM - Re: sun-n-fun (icrashrc)
23. 11:22 AM - Re: Hoover video... (Russ Kinne)
24. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: Heavy Xtra :-) (Russ Kinne)
25. 11:30 AM - Re: Hoover video... (pat ladd)
26. 03:39 PM - Home built not Kolb related (Bill Vincent)
27. 04:36 PM - Re: q (robert bean)
28. 05:56 PM - Re: Home built not Kolb related (Mike Schnabel)
29. 06:52 PM - Home Built not Kolb related (Bill Vincent)
30. 07:15 PM - Re: Home Built not Kolb related (Mike Schnabel)
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| Subject: | Re: Video of Bob Hoover |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On Mar 15, 2006, at 10:00 PM, ray anderson wrote:
> If you never saw him do his routine in his old P51, in person, you
> have missed a piece of aviation airshow history.
> do not archive
Yep,
I saw Robert A. (Bob) Hoover at a York, Pa. air show in "Ole Yeller"
when he accidentally took out a major power line with his landing
gear on a low level sneak in pass.
Bob then did a slow pass while the tower did a visual check to see if
there was any obvious damage to the gear, he then came around and
landed, walked around the plane for a "look see" and took off again
and finished his routine.
Ole Yeller must have been one tough old bird.
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| Subject: | Re: Land Shorter VG's on Firestar II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 07:54 PM 3/13/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>
>Group,
>
>This afternoon, I just took my first flight with 102 LandShorter
>VG's on my Firestar II. It sure is different! It used to stall with
>a somewhat clean break at 38 to 40 mph. I had it down to 30 mph with
>no actual break.
Try easing the stick back at full throttle and see if it feels like
your pointing up at almost a 40 degree angle before it stalls or
"mushes". Then try a "high bank" circle at 30 or 32 mph. That's what
impressed me the most about the addition of the VGs.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Couldn't open Hoover video, on a Mac. Did see him at OSH in the
yellow P-51, long ago. Impressive!
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| Subject: | Re: Video of Bob Hoover |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Ole HOOVER was a tough old bird! I saw him at Reading PA when he took
out a powerline with a wingtip, in a river valley.
No damage, flew next shows flawlessly.
On Mar 16, 2006, at 7:32 AM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
> <etzim62@earthlink.net>
>
>
> On Mar 15, 2006, at 10:00 PM, ray anderson wrote:
>
>> If you never saw him do his routine in his old P51, in person, you
>> have missed a piece of aviation airshow history.
>> do not archive
>
> Yep,
> I saw Robert A. (Bob) Hoover at a York, Pa. air show in "Ole Yeller"
> when he accidentally took out a major power line with his landing
> gear on a low level sneak in pass.
>
> Bob then did a slow pass while the tower did a visual check to see if
> there was any obvious damage to the gear, he then came around and
> landed, walked around the plane for a "look see" and took off again
> and finished his routine.
>
> Ole Yeller must have been one tough old bird.
>
>
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| Subject: | Viewing Windows Media files on MACs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
MAC users,
Don't feel left out with all the windows media videos being posted on the list.
Here is a solution:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/download/download.aspx
If your operating system is current enough, Windows Media Components for QuickTime
can be downloaded for free and it allows these videos to play in Safari.
Also, Windows Media Player 9 for Mac OS X can be downloaded for free.
do not archive
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John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22113#22113
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
There is a little longer snippet of that documentary available online
that is in .avi format...
Try here...
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-3-11_bob_hoover.av
i
Jeremy Casey
Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc.
www.kilocharlie.us
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| Subject: | Re: Hoover video... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
My Mac can't open this one either!
On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Jeremy Casey wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
>
> There is a little longer snippet of that documentary available online
> that is in .avi format...
>
> Try here...
>
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/
> 2006-3-11_bob_hoover.av
> i
>
>
> Jeremy Casey
> Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc.
> www.kilocharlie.us
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
> Any Kolbers in the San Fran area? Please contact me. Thanx.
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| Subject: | Re: Hoover video... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FS2Kolb@aol.com
Russ,
Get a real computer
do not archive
In a message dated 3/16/2006 8:58:33 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
kinnepix@earthlink.net writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
My Mac can't open this one either!
On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Jeremy Casey wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
>
> There is a little longer snippet of that documentary available online
> that is in .avi format...
>
> Try here...
>
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/
> 2006-3-11_bob_hoover.av
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| Subject: | Re: Hoover video... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
This one won't open either!
On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Jeremy Casey wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
>
> There is a little longer snippet of that documentary available online
> that is in .avi format...
>
> Try here...
>
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/
> 2006-3-11_bob_hoover.av
> i
>
>
> Jeremy Casey
> Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc.
> www.kilocharlie.us
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hoover video... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Russ:
Sounds like a personal problem. Bet you dropped part of the url.
Try this snipped url. I tried the long and the short. They both
worked for me, but I have an old computer:
http://xrl.us/kf7w
john h
MKIII
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-( |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Did the make the Horizontal Stab smaller on recent MK-III Xtras ? If so I want
the bigger stab, I wish they had told me about that :( !!!!
As far as the weight, I would rather have the heavier model. The problem with
trying to take to much weight off a structure is that it starts to get weak, fatigue,
and is not as durable.
30 pounds of airframe weight is 3% at my flying weight, that is not enough to make
any noticable difference in performance... And I could care less about the
ultralight trainer weight regulations. Most of us are flying them as experimental.
Michael A. Bigelow
--------
NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22137#22137
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| Subject: | Re: Hoover video... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Now, now -- you sound jealous! -- you're not the first person who's
told me that though.
do not archive
On Mar 16, 2006, at 11:11 AM, FS2Kolb@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: FS2Kolb@aol.com
>
>
> Russ,
> Get a real computer
>
> do not archive
>
> In a message dated 3/16/2006 8:58:33 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> kinnepix@earthlink.net writes:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
>
> My Mac can't open this one either!
>
> On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Jeremy Casey wrote:
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey"
>> <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
>>
>> There is a little longer snippet of that documentary available
>> online
>> that is in .avi format...
>>
>> Try here...
>>
>> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/
>> 2006-3-11_bob_hoover.av
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On Mar 16, 2006, at 9:04 AM, Russ Kinne wrote:
> Couldn't open Hoover video, on a Mac.
Opened fine on my Mac.
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| Subject: | Re: Hoover video... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
And the Spam drivers tell me to git rid of that weed eater motor!! on
and on... :-) Herb
do not archive
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:42:46 -0500 Russ Kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
>
> Now, now -- you sound jealous! -- you're not the first person who's
>
> told me that though.
> do not archive
>
> On Mar 16, 2006, at 11:11 AM, FS2Kolb@aol.com wrote:
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: FS2Kolb@aol.com
> >
> >
> > Russ,
> > Get a real computer
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > In a message dated 3/16/2006 8:58:33 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> > kinnepix@earthlink.net writes:
> >
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne
> <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
> >
> > My Mac can't open this one either!
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-( |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Mike,
Not smaller, the tail is the same as the MK-III classic. If you want it
bigger then you can build it bigger, after all your the builder. But I suspect
the bigger Horizontal Stabilizer was add to keep the airplane balanced after
all that weight was added up front. Once the fuselage's extra weight was
removed there was no need for the bigger tail. I also suspect the extra welding
and materials on the early model Xtra was more added cost then what they
wanted to add to the price of the kit.
Regards,
Guillermo Uribe
FireStar II N4GU
El Paso, TX
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:36 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heavy Xtra :-(
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Did the make the Horizontal Stab smaller on recent MK-III Xtras ? If so I
want the bigger stab, I wish they had told me about that :( !!!!
As far as the weight, I would rather have the heavier model. The problem
with trying to take to much weight off a structure is that it starts to get
weak, fatigue, and is not as durable.
30 pounds of airframe weight is 3% at my flying weight, that is not enough
to make any noticable difference in performance... And I could care less
about the ultralight trainer weight regulations. Most of us are flying them
as
experimental.
Michael A. Bigelow
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Murr" <jdm@wideworld.net>
Try this link. I corrected it.
>> Try here...
>>
>> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-3-11_bob_hoover.avi
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeremy Casey
>> Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc.
>> www.kilocharlie.us
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-( |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Michael,
There is no problem with structure weakening or fatigue. Had you seen the
early Xtra and the new model you would have seen the difference. Most of what
was removed, as I recall, was the chrome-molly steel that made up the cosmetic
rounded edges on the fuselage. As I posted before this was originally done
for aerodynamic reasons, it had nothing to do with structural.
Now, I don't own a MK-III Classic or a MK-III Xtra but I do my homework
before I purchase. After I decided on the Kolb product I couldn't make up my mind
about which model to get. I don't remember how many times I called Dennis
asking him about the Kolb models. It was until Dennis mentioned that he
preferred flying the FireStar and as we say the rest is history.
Hope this helps,
Guillermo Uribe
FireStar II N4GU
El Paso, TX
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
<snip>
As far as the weight, I would rather have the heavier model. The problem
with trying to take to much weight off a structure is that it starts to get
weak, fatigue, and is not as durable.
30 pounds of airframe weight is 3% at my flying weight, that is not enough
to make any noticable difference in performance... And I could care less
about the ultralight trainer weight regulations. Most of us are flying them as
experimental.
Michael A. Bigelow
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Just for comparison:
My Mark-III Classic (Old Kolb s/n 300):
Built bone stock
Poly-Tone Paint, per Jim & Dondi's recommended quantities
Upholstery, Seat cushions, carpeting
Standard VFR instrumentation
912ul
BRS
Upgraded (full-swivel) tailwheel
560 # (with the doors on)
Dennis Kirby
Cedar Crest, NM
Do not archive
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<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>My Mark-III Classic (Old Kolb s/n 300):
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Built bone stock
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Poly-Tone Paint, per Jim Dondis
recommended quantities
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Upholstery, Seat cushions, carpeting
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Standard VFR instrumentation
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>912ul
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>BRS
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Upgraded (full-swivel) tailwheel
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>560 # (with the doors on)
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Cedar Crest, NM
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font-family:Arial'>Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Xtra :-) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
I've decided that a man needs both a single seater and a two seater and a
2-stroke and a 4-stroke.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
opened fine on my mac
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "icrashrc" <icrashrc@aol.com>
I'll be there Thursday thru Saturday. Maybe Wednesday too. Depends on how the drive
down goes...
--------
Scott
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22172#22172
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| Subject: | Re: Hoover video... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
NOW this is what I get:
Fatal error: Call to undefined function: fetchrow() in /usr/lib/php/
qtredir.inc on line 26
I appreciate your efforts,but don't spend any more time on this -- I
can live without it.
Thanx anyway
do not archive
On Mar 16, 2006, at 12:07 PM, John Murr wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Murr" <jdm@wideworld.net>
>
> Try this link. I corrected it.
>
>
>>> Try here...
>>>
>>> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/
>>> 2006-3-11_bob_hoover.avi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeremy Casey
>>> Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc.
>>> www.kilocharlie.us
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Man, but you got that right! Throw in an acrobatic plane too --
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On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:13 PM, David Key wrote:
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> I've decided that a man needs both a single seater and a two seater
> and a
> 2-stroke and a 4-stroke.
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| Subject: | Re: Hoover video... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
My Mac can't open this one either!>>
Hi Russ,
perhaps you just have to be patient. I don`t have a Mac but my comp took a
long time to download.
Just surfaced after changing addresses. Phew! I have been through death,
birth, marriage, divorce and moving house tops them all. The last time I
moved, fifteen years or so ago it didn`t seem too bad, but this time......
Perhaps it is just age that robs us of the capability of keeping about two
dozen balls in the air at once. Perhaps things are just more complicated.
Just advising everyone, friends, Bank, utilities, insurances, investments,.
seemed a full time job and a simple card just will not suffice for many
corporations. Change of address has to be on THEIR form and signed. What a
load of cobblers!
However we are actually in residence, still surrounded by builders etc,
`just finishing off`` their jobs. Surrounded by boxes full of heaven knows
what including hundred of books. Nowhere to put them until I build shelves.
Shelves cannot be erected until the decorating is finished...etc.,
Still, I am within 4 minutes walk of a good pub, 5 minutes from a top class
restaraunt and 10 minutes closer to my airstrip so its not all bad.
I fired up the old confuzer and had nearly a thousand posts waiting. I
deleted quite a few without paying much attention but did I correctly pick
up the fact that there would be no Kolb Family Fly in this year? Somebody
confirm please.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Home built not Kolb related |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Subject: Home built
Hi Gang
If you have high speed internet, check this out. If not, forget it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-3046542226114078023
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Opened fine on my mac too. Download media player.
(BTW, no money wasted on doofus anti virus protection for several]
years now)
-BB do not archive.
On 16, Mar 2006, at 1:23 PM, Robert Noyer wrote:
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> opened fine on my mac
> regards,
> Bob N.
> http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
>
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| Subject: | Re: Home built not Kolb related |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
Bill,
Have tried the link several times, and only get a message that the video may
not be available...
High speed ready... was the link address complete?
Thanks!
Mike S
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Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net> wrote:
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Subject: Home built
Hi Gang
If you have high speed internet, check this out. If not, forget it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-3046542226114078023
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi Mike and Gang
If you have high speed internet, check this out. If not, forget it.
Try this site...not sure what happened with the last link, but I double checked
this link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-3046542226114078023
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Home Built not Kolb related |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
Bill,
thanks for the re-check, but i get the same message when clicking the link. Here
is the page i see...
Oh well... not sure what is going on, but hope to figure it out!
Mike S
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Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent"
Hi Mike and Gang
If you have high speed internet, check this out. If not, forget it.
Try this site...not sure what happened with the last link, but I double checked
this link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-3046542226114078023
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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