---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/16/06: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:35 AM - Re: Video of Bob Hoover (Eugene Zimmerman) 2. 06:00 AM - Re: Land Shorter VG's on Firestar II (possums) 3. 06:00 AM - q (Russ Kinne) 4. 06:03 AM - Re: Video of Bob Hoover (Russ Kinne) 5. 06:43 AM - Viewing Windows Media files on MACs (John Jung) 6. 07:33 AM - Hoover video... (Jeremy Casey) 7. 07:57 AM - Re: Hoover video... (Russ Kinne) 8. 08:10 AM - trip (Russ Kinne) 9. 08:11 AM - Re: Hoover video... (FS2Kolb@aol.com) 10. 08:12 AM - Re: Hoover video... (Russ Kinne) 11. 08:22 AM - Re: Hoover video... (John Hauck) 12. 08:36 AM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (JetPilot) 13. 08:38 AM - Re: Hoover video... (Russ Kinne) 14. 08:47 AM - Re: q (Eugene Zimmerman) 15. 08:59 AM - Re: Hoover video... (Herb Gayheart) 16. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (WillUribe@aol.com) 17. 09:09 AM - Fw: Hoover video... (John Murr) 18. 09:52 AM - Re: Heavy Xtra :-( (WillUribe@aol.com) 19. 10:06 AM - Heavy Xtra (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL) 20. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: Heavy Xtra :-) (David Key) 21. 10:23 AM - Re: q (Robert Noyer) 22. 10:51 AM - Re: sun-n-fun (icrashrc) 23. 11:22 AM - Re: Hoover video... (Russ Kinne) 24. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: Heavy Xtra :-) (Russ Kinne) 25. 11:30 AM - Re: Hoover video... (pat ladd) 26. 03:39 PM - Home built not Kolb related (Bill Vincent) 27. 04:36 PM - Re: q (robert bean) 28. 05:56 PM - Re: Home built not Kolb related (Mike Schnabel) 29. 06:52 PM - Home Built not Kolb related (Bill Vincent) 30. 07:15 PM - Re: Home Built not Kolb related (Mike Schnabel) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:33 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video of Bob Hoover --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman On Mar 15, 2006, at 10:00 PM, ray anderson wrote: > If you never saw him do his routine in his old P51, in person, you > have missed a piece of aviation airshow history. > do not archive Yep, I saw Robert A. (Bob) Hoover at a York, Pa. air show in "Ole Yeller" when he accidentally took out a major power line with his landing gear on a low level sneak in pass. Bob then did a slow pass while the tower did a visual check to see if there was any obvious damage to the gear, he then came around and landed, walked around the plane for a "look see" and took off again and finished his routine. Ole Yeller must have been one tough old bird. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:52 AM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Land Shorter VG's on Firestar II --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums At 07:54 PM 3/13/2006, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" > >Group, > >This afternoon, I just took my first flight with 102 LandShorter >VG's on my Firestar II. It sure is different! It used to stall with >a somewhat clean break at 38 to 40 mph. I had it down to 30 mph with >no actual break. Try easing the stick back at full throttle and see if it feels like your pointing up at almost a 40 degree angle before it stalls or "mushes". Then try a "high bank" circle at 30 or 32 mph. That's what impressed me the most about the addition of the VGs. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:52 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Kolb-List: q --> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne Couldn't open Hoover video, on a Mac. Did see him at OSH in the yellow P-51, long ago. Impressive! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:55 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video of Bob Hoover --> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne Ole HOOVER was a tough old bird! I saw him at Reading PA when he took out a powerline with a wingtip, in a river valley. No damage, flew next shows flawlessly. On Mar 16, 2006, at 7:32 AM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman > > > > On Mar 15, 2006, at 10:00 PM, ray anderson wrote: > >> If you never saw him do his routine in his old P51, in person, you >> have missed a piece of aviation airshow history. >> do not archive > > Yep, > I saw Robert A. (Bob) Hoover at a York, Pa. air show in "Ole Yeller" > when he accidentally took out a major power line with his landing > gear on a low level sneak in pass. > > Bob then did a slow pass while the tower did a visual check to see if > there was any obvious damage to the gear, he then came around and > landed, walked around the plane for a "look see" and took off again > and finished his routine. > > Ole Yeller must have been one tough old bird. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:53 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Viewing Windows Media files on MACs From: "John Jung" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" MAC users, Don't feel left out with all the windows media videos being posted on the list. Here is a solution: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/download/download.aspx If your operating system is current enough, Windows Media Components for QuickTime can be downloaded for free and it allows these videos to play in Safari. Also, Windows Media Player 9 for Mac OS X can be downloaded for free. do not archive -------- John Jung Firestar II N6163J Surprise, AZ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22113#22113 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:40 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" Subject: Kolb-List: Hoover video... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" There is a little longer snippet of that documentary available online that is in .avi format... Try here... http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-3-11_bob_hoover.av i Jeremy Casey Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc. www.kilocharlie.us ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:45 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hoover video... --> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne My Mac can't open this one either! On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Jeremy Casey wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" > > There is a little longer snippet of that documentary available online > that is in .avi format... > > Try here... > > http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/ > 2006-3-11_bob_hoover.av > i > > > Jeremy Casey > Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc. > www.kilocharlie.us > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:52 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Kolb-List: trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne > Any Kolbers in the San Fran area? Please contact me. Thanx. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:51 AM PST US From: FS2Kolb@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hoover video... --> Kolb-List message posted by: FS2Kolb@aol.com Russ, Get a real computer do not archive In a message dated 3/16/2006 8:58:33 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, kinnepix@earthlink.net writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne My Mac can't open this one either! On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Jeremy Casey wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" > > There is a little longer snippet of that documentary available online > that is in .avi format... > > Try here... > > http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/ > 2006-3-11_bob_hoover.av ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:38 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hoover video... --> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne This one won't open either! On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Jeremy Casey wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" > > There is a little longer snippet of that documentary available online > that is in .avi format... > > Try here... > > http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/ > 2006-3-11_bob_hoover.av > i > > > Jeremy Casey > Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc. > www.kilocharlie.us > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:52 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hoover video... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Russ: Sounds like a personal problem. Bet you dropped part of the url. Try this snipped url. I tried the long and the short. They both worked for me, but I have an old computer: http://xrl.us/kf7w john h MKIII DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:58 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heavy Xtra :-( From: "JetPilot" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" Did the make the Horizontal Stab smaller on recent MK-III Xtras ? If so I want the bigger stab, I wish they had told me about that :( !!!! As far as the weight, I would rather have the heavier model. The problem with trying to take to much weight off a structure is that it starts to get weak, fatigue, and is not as durable. 30 pounds of airframe weight is 3% at my flying weight, that is not enough to make any noticable difference in performance... And I could care less about the ultralight trainer weight regulations. Most of us are flying them as experimental. Michael A. Bigelow -------- NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22137#22137 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:19 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hoover video... --> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne Now, now -- you sound jealous! -- you're not the first person who's told me that though. do not archive On Mar 16, 2006, at 11:11 AM, FS2Kolb@aol.com wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: FS2Kolb@aol.com > > > Russ, > Get a real computer > > do not archive > > In a message dated 3/16/2006 8:58:33 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > kinnepix@earthlink.net writes: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne > > My Mac can't open this one either! > > On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Jeremy Casey wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" >> >> >> There is a little longer snippet of that documentary available >> online >> that is in .avi format... >> >> Try here... >> >> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/ >> 2006-3-11_bob_hoover.av > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:03 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman On Mar 16, 2006, at 9:04 AM, Russ Kinne wrote: > Couldn't open Hoover video, on a Mac. Opened fine on my Mac. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hoover video... From: Herb Gayheart --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart And the Spam drivers tell me to git rid of that weed eater motor!! on and on... :-) Herb do not archive On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:42:46 -0500 Russ Kinne writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne > > Now, now -- you sound jealous! -- you're not the first person who's > > told me that though. > do not archive > > On Mar 16, 2006, at 11:11 AM, FS2Kolb@aol.com wrote: > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: FS2Kolb@aol.com > > > > > > Russ, > > Get a real computer > > > > do not archive > > > > In a message dated 3/16/2006 8:58:33 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > kinnepix@earthlink.net writes: > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne > > > > > My Mac can't open this one either! ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:15 AM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Heavy Xtra :-( --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com Mike, Not smaller, the tail is the same as the MK-III classic. If you want it bigger then you can build it bigger, after all your the builder. But I suspect the bigger Horizontal Stabilizer was add to keep the airplane balanced after all that weight was added up front. Once the fuselage's extra weight was removed there was no need for the bigger tail. I also suspect the extra welding and materials on the early model Xtra was more added cost then what they wanted to add to the price of the kit. Regards, Guillermo Uribe FireStar II N4GU El Paso, TX -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heavy Xtra :-( --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" Did the make the Horizontal Stab smaller on recent MK-III Xtras ? If so I want the bigger stab, I wish they had told me about that :( !!!! As far as the weight, I would rather have the heavier model. The problem with trying to take to much weight off a structure is that it starts to get weak, fatigue, and is not as durable. 30 pounds of airframe weight is 3% at my flying weight, that is not enough to make any noticable difference in performance... And I could care less about the ultralight trainer weight regulations. Most of us are flying them as experimental. Michael A. Bigelow ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:55 AM PST US From: "John Murr" Subject: Fw: Kolb-List: Hoover video... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Murr" Try this link. I corrected it. >> Try here... >> >> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-3-11_bob_hoover.avi >> >> >> >> Jeremy Casey >> Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc. >> www.kilocharlie.us >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:10 AM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heavy Xtra :-( --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com Michael, There is no problem with structure weakening or fatigue. Had you seen the early Xtra and the new model you would have seen the difference. Most of what was removed, as I recall, was the chrome-molly steel that made up the cosmetic rounded edges on the fuselage. As I posted before this was originally done for aerodynamic reasons, it had nothing to do with structural. Now, I don't own a MK-III Classic or a MK-III Xtra but I do my homework before I purchase. After I decided on the Kolb product I couldn't make up my mind about which model to get. I don't remember how many times I called Dennis asking him about the Kolb models. It was until Dennis mentioned that he preferred flying the FireStar and as we say the rest is history. Hope this helps, Guillermo Uribe FireStar II N4GU El Paso, TX --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" As far as the weight, I would rather have the heavier model. The problem with trying to take to much weight off a structure is that it starts to get weak, fatigue, and is not as durable. 30 pounds of airframe weight is 3% at my flying weight, that is not enough to make any noticable difference in performance... And I could care less about the ultralight trainer weight regulations. Most of us are flying them as experimental. Michael A. Bigelow ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:37 AM PST US From: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL Subject: Kolb-List: Heavy Xtra --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL Just for comparison: My Mark-III Classic (Old Kolb s/n 300): Built bone stock Poly-Tone Paint, per Jim & Dondi's recommended quantities Upholstery, Seat cushions, carpeting Standard VFR instrumentation 912ul BRS Upgraded (full-swivel) tailwheel 560 # (with the doors on) Dennis Kirby Cedar Crest, NM Do not archive Just for comparison: My Mark-III Classic (Old Kolb s/n 300):

Built bone stock

Poly-Tone Paint, per Jim Dondis recommended quantities

Upholstery, Seat cushions, carpeting

Standard VFR instrumentation

912ul

BRS

Upgraded (full-swivel) tailwheel

560 # (with the doors on)

Dennis Kirby Cedar Crest, NM Do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:22 AM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Heavy Xtra :-) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" I've decided that a man needs both a single seater and a two seater and a 2-stroke and a 4-stroke. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:53 AM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer opened fine on my mac regards, Bob N. http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:38 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: sun-n-fun From: "icrashrc" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "icrashrc" I'll be there Thursday thru Saturday. Maybe Wednesday too. Depends on how the drive down goes... -------- Scott do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22172#22172 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:40 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hoover video... --> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne NOW this is what I get: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: fetchrow() in /usr/lib/php/ qtredir.inc on line 26 I appreciate your efforts,but don't spend any more time on this -- I can live without it. Thanx anyway do not archive On Mar 16, 2006, at 12:07 PM, John Murr wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Murr" > > Try this link. I corrected it. > > >>> Try here... >>> >>> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/ >>> 2006-3-11_bob_hoover.avi >>> >>> >>> >>> Jeremy Casey >>> Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc. >>> www.kilocharlie.us >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:12 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heavy Xtra :-) --> Kolb-List message posted by: Russ Kinne Man, but you got that right! Throw in an acrobatic plane too -- do not archive On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:13 PM, David Key wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" > > I've decided that a man needs both a single seater and a two seater > and a > 2-stroke and a 4-stroke. > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:50 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hoover video... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" My Mac can't open this one either!>> Hi Russ, perhaps you just have to be patient. I don`t have a Mac but my comp took a long time to download. Just surfaced after changing addresses. Phew! I have been through death, birth, marriage, divorce and moving house tops them all. The last time I moved, fifteen years or so ago it didn`t seem too bad, but this time...... Perhaps it is just age that robs us of the capability of keeping about two dozen balls in the air at once. Perhaps things are just more complicated. Just advising everyone, friends, Bank, utilities, insurances, investments,. seemed a full time job and a simple card just will not suffice for many corporations. Change of address has to be on THEIR form and signed. What a load of cobblers! However we are actually in residence, still surrounded by builders etc, `just finishing off`` their jobs. Surrounded by boxes full of heaven knows what including hundred of books. Nowhere to put them until I build shelves. Shelves cannot be erected until the decorating is finished...etc., Still, I am within 4 minutes walk of a good pub, 5 minutes from a top class restaraunt and 10 minutes closer to my airstrip so its not all bad. I fired up the old confuzer and had nearly a thousand posts waiting. I deleted quite a few without paying much attention but did I correctly pick up the fact that there would be no Kolb Family Fly in this year? Somebody confirm please. Cheers Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:21 PM PST US From: "Bill Vincent" Subject: Kolb-List: Home built not Kolb related --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" Subject: Home built Hi Gang If you have high speed internet, check this out. If not, forget it. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-3046542226114078023 Bill Vincent Firestar II Upper Peninsula of Michigan Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:04 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Opened fine on my mac too. Download media player. (BTW, no money wasted on doofus anti virus protection for several] years now) -BB do not archive. On 16, Mar 2006, at 1:23 PM, Robert Noyer wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer > > opened fine on my mac > regards, > Bob N. > http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:52 PM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Home built not Kolb related --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel Bill, Have tried the link several times, and only get a message that the video may not be available... High speed ready... was the link address complete? Thanks! Mike S do not archive Bill Vincent wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" Subject: Home built Hi Gang If you have high speed internet, check this out. If not, forget it. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-3046542226114078023 Bill Vincent Firestar II Upper Peninsula of Michigan Do Not Archive --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:16 PM PST US From: "Bill Vincent" Subject: Kolb-List: Home Built not Kolb related --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" Hi Mike and Gang If you have high speed internet, check this out. If not, forget it. Try this site...not sure what happened with the last link, but I double checked this link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-3046542226114078023 Bill Vincent Firestar II Upper Peninsula of Michigan Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:08 PM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Home Built not Kolb related --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel Bill, thanks for the re-check, but i get the same message when clicking the link. Here is the page i see... Oh well... not sure what is going on, but hope to figure it out! Mike S do not archive Bill Vincent wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" Hi Mike and Gang If you have high speed internet, check this out. If not, forget it. Try this site...not sure what happened with the last link, but I double checked this link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-3046542226114078023 Bill Vincent Firestar II Upper Peninsula of Michigan Do Not Archive --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with