---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/20/06: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:39 AM - Re: Re: Firestar II Windshield (Tom463@aol.com) 2. 04:20 AM - Mail test (John Murr) 3. 05:54 AM - Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Older Pilots (Ed Chmielewski) 4. 06:04 AM - Older pilots (Ed Chmielewski) 5. 06:25 AM - Re: Older Pilots (russ kinne) 6. 06:41 AM - Re: Older Pilots (gtalexander@att.net) 7. 07:05 AM - Re: Older Pilots (ray anderson) 8. 07:36 AM - Re: Older Pilots (ray anderson) 9. 09:07 AM - Re: Firestar II Windshield (Larry Cottrell) 10. 09:19 AM - Re: Firestar II Windshield (Larry Cottrell) 11. 09:57 AM - Re: Firestar II Windshield (George E. Thompson) 12. 10:29 AM - Ethanol/Gasoline Mixture (boyd) 13. 10:38 AM - FLY YOUNG, STAY PRETTY (Cat36Fly@aol.com) 14. 11:06 AM - Improving Roll Control on the FireFly (Jack B. Hart) 15. 11:58 AM - Re: Firestar II Windshield (John Jung) 16. 12:13 PM - Re: Land Shorter VG's on Firestar II (John Jung) 17. 12:19 PM - NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: (John Jung) 18. 12:48 PM - Devious "not on purpose" Kolb trait? (Eugene Zimmerman) 19. 01:08 PM - Re: Devious "not on purpose" Kolb trait? (Larry Cottrell) 20. 01:24 PM - Re: Hoover video... (pat ladd) 21. 04:06 PM - Re: Firestar II Windshield (N111KX (Kip)) 22. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: Firestar II Windshield (chris davis) 23. 05:57 PM - Re: Land Shorter VG's on Firestar II (Dave Bigelow) 24. 06:08 PM - Re: Ethanol/Gasoline Mixture (Dave Bigelow) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:26 AM PST US From: Tom463@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II Windshield --> Kolb-List message posted by: Tom463@aol.com I have a friend who is telling me the same thing, but he has no Kolb experience to base his suggestion on. I have a 503DCDI and sometimes get close to 80MPH for short periods. Do you fly that fast? Your input makes me feel better about removing the bar, but I'd appreciate your speed info. Thanks, Tom Yowell Florida Flying Gators Clermont, Florida ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:09 AM PST US From: "John Murr" Subject: Kolb-List: Mail test --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Murr" Mine bounced too. John ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:49 AM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Older Pilots --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" Hi Lar, I did get a couple of those. Maybe a server problem on their end? Ed in JXN Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 11:24 PM Subject: Fw: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Older Pilots > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > This is what I've been getting all evening................... > Do not Archive. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Building Kolb Mk III > N78LB Vamoose > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:13 PM > Subject: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: > Kolb-List: Older Pilots > > >> The message you sent was regarded as junk e-mail by the recipient's email >> server. >> >> To help ensure delivery make sure you are on the recipient's known >> address >> list. >> >> Thank You. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:07 AM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Kolb-List: Older pilots --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" Lar/All, Sorry Lar, This was just posted on AvWeb.com on older pilots. Just remember the saying, about making ststistics saying anything you'd like if manipulated properly. AVERAGE PILOT AGE INCREASING -- ACCIDENTS, TOO Statistics compiled by The Associated Press suggest that the older you are, the harder you'll fall. The news gathering organization pored over FAA and NTSB records and determined that pilots older than 50 have a significantly greater chance of crashing than younger pilots. The stats perhaps take on even greater significance considering the fact that the average age of pilots is now 47. The AP report also found that the accident rate went up with age, and that those in their 60s were at a roughly proportional greater risk of crashing. Older pilots were also in more fatal accidents. Ed in JXN MkII/503 Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:26 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Older Pilots --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne Larry Still can't find this DESERT SUN post! -- saw 20 items from their archives. Don't see "California" or any bullets -- Dunce me. On Mar 19, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Larry Bourne wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > There's an article on page A15 in todays Desert Sun about "Older > Pilots are Crashing in Disproportionate Numbers." It's an AP feed > by Ryan Pearson, and, in my opinion, is badly biased and very > slanted. Makes me want badly to bloody his nose. Take a look in > your own local newspapers, or look at www.thedesertsun.com and > scroll way down to the "California" section, the 2nd bullet. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Building Kolb Mk III > N78LB Vamoose > www.gogittum.com > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:17 AM PST US From: gtalexander@att.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Older Pilots --> Kolb-List message posted by: gtalexander@att.net Russ et al: Try this: http://tinyurl.com/mg8ll Should take you right to the article. George Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net DO NOT ARCHIVE -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: russ kinne > --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne > > Larry > Still can't find this DESERT SUN post! -- saw 20 items from their > archives. Don't see "California" or any bullets -- > Dunce me. > > On Mar 19, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Larry Bourne wrote: > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > > > There's an article on page A15 in todays Desert Sun about "Older > > Pilots are Crashing in Disproportionate Numbers." It's an AP feed > > by Ryan Pearson, and, in my opinion, is badly biased and very > > slanted. Makes me want badly to bloody his nose. Take a look in > > your own local newspapers, or look at www.thedesertsun.com and > > scroll way down to the "California" section, the 2nd bullet. > > > > Larry Bourne > > Palm Springs, CA > > Building Kolb Mk III > > N78LB Vamoose > > www.gogittum.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:10 AM PST US From: ray anderson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Older Pilots --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson All, Todays AV FLASH has the story and can be found at the link below. While you are on that site, scroll down and you will see a nice write up on the Shelbyville airport where I hang out. avweb@homer.belvoir.com do not archive russ kinne wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne Larry Still can't find this DESERT SUN post! -- saw 20 items from their archives. Don't see "California" or any bullets -- Dunce me. On Mar 19, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Larry Bourne wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > There's an article on page A15 in todays Desert Sun about "Older > Pilots are Crashing in Disproportionate Numbers." It's an AP feed > by Ryan Pearson, and, in my opinion, is badly biased and very > slanted. Makes me want badly to bloody his nose. Take a look in > your own local newspapers, or look at www.thedesertsun.com and > scroll way down to the "California" section, the 2nd bullet. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Building Kolb Mk III > N78LB Vamoose > www.gogittum.com > > --------------------------------- Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:41 AM PST US From: ray anderson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Older Pilots --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson Sorry, I gave the wrong link. You see I'm sure too old to fly. Try this one. www.avweb.com ray anderson wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson All, Todays AV FLASH has the story and can be found at the link below. While you are on that site, scroll down and you will see a nice write up on the Shelbyville airport where I hang out. avweb@homer.belvoir.com do not archive russ kinne wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne Larry Still can't find this DESERT SUN post! -- saw 20 items from their archives. Don't see "California" or any bullets -- Dunce me. On Mar 19, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Larry Bourne wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > There's an article on page A15 in todays Desert Sun about "Older > Pilots are Crashing in Disproportionate Numbers." It's an AP feed > by Ryan Pearson, and, in my opinion, is badly biased and very > slanted. Makes me want badly to bloody his nose. Take a look in > your own local newspapers, or look at www.thedesertsun.com and > scroll way down to the "California" section, the 2nd bullet. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Building Kolb Mk III > N78LB Vamoose > www.gogittum.com > > --------------------------------- Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:33 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II Windshield From: "Larry Cottrell" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" I assume that you are talking about the factory enclosure. If so it will not buckle. To check it close the windshield, put your hand in the middle at the furtherest point from any support and push. If it feels squishey, don't do it. While I took out the center post, I did retain the screw that held it at the top of the pod. Remember the wind is not hitting it at a 90 degree angle. I have seen 90 on mine, but not on purpose. Or you could do it like this, it is a lot more trouble. Larry, Oregon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22883#22883 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture_003_617.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II Windshield From: "Larry Cottrell" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" Well I see I still don't have the hang of the attachment part of this BB. I don't seem to be able to preview my post, and have to do it by trail and error. Seems mostly like error. Here is the other picture. I decided that I wanted doors, so I built this one. I of course had to order chromoly,hinges, and a sheet of lexan. Weld the new doors and fit the lexan. I like it, but I wasn't able to get the thickness of lexan that I would have prefered. (0 is too think and the one that I have is a bit too thin, but is still usable. Larry,Oregon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22886#22886 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture_001_101.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:12 AM PST US From: "George E. Thompson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II Windshield --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" I didn't like it either, so used a tube on each side of the insturment panel, back up to the steel framework behind my head. I then used the right new tube for the hinge for the door. I no longer have the plane or I could send you a picture. Az Bald Eagle ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar II Windshield > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Tom463@aol.com > > I recently purchased a Firestar II with the full enclosure and I do NOT > like > the center tube in front of my face. I need the full enclosure due to > health reasons. Any suggestions on SAFE methods to remove the obstruction > and > still maintain the stability of the windshield? > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:02 AM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: Kolb-List: Ethanol/Gasoline Mixture --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow" I'm finding more and more on the subject of blended ethanol/gas as I go - most of it not good. Here's a very good research paper done by Onan Engines in Australia that Jim Baker recommended:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will throw this out and see what ya all say bout it. The simple test for alcohol in gas is fill a test tube 1/2 with water and mark the level on the outside. Then fill the remainder of the test tube with gas. Shake it up and let it settle. If there is alcohol in the gas the level of the water will go up from the mark. The difference will be the amount of alcohol that was in the gas. Now if you pour the gas off the top, you should have alcohol free gas. With a water alcohol mix left over. If this principle works?????? You could use a 50 gal test tube. And render out 20 to 25 gal at a time. Alcohol should attract an equal amount of water before it will separate out of the gas.,,,, 10% of say 50 gal should be 5 gal.... you would probably want to start with 10 to 15 gal of water then fill the 50 gal test tube ( DRUM ) with gas. If you prop the tank up on edge and siphon out the water from the bottom till the gas starts to run clear. Using the last bit to start your next batch. You should be left with the good stuff. My daughters father-in-law, drives a 18 wheeler gas carrier, and tells me that the storage tanks where he gets his gas will have 2 ft of water in the bottom... but when they fill his truck they draw the fuel out at the 5 ft level. Now if they were using alcohol in the gas this would not work. Also when they pump petroleum products through underground pipelines they use thousands of gallons of water to separate the different grades of fuel. When the operator sees the difference in color he will switch the fuel from one tank to the other. and the water will separate out in the bottom if the large storage tanks. Maybe it is easier to buy av gas or av gas mixed 50/50 with mogas. That would take a 10 % mix down to 5%. Worth every cent you paid fer it. Boyd Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:12 AM PST US From: Cat36Fly@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: FLY YOUNG, STAY PRETTY --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com I have been following the "old pilots" thread and thought it had a familiar ring to it. Sure enough, I found an article in my April issue of IFR that is similar. It is however; relating to weather related accidents, age of pilots and age at which they learned to fly. I am on the East coast and wonder if these two articles are related(?). Larry Tasker MKlllx 582 N615RT ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:25 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: Improving Roll Control on the FireFly --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" FireFlyers, I made some new aileron yoke control arms to improve roll response. How it was done can be seen at: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly122.html I recognized there was a little play in the system at the "Tee" bar, but I did not believe it caused enough of a problem to be worth the effort to change it. But, after moving to I22 with a different runway orientation, I discovered that most of my flights start and stop with a cross wind. Also, the average wind speed seems to be greater here than what I experienced in Missouri at K02. With a little bit of play in the stick, you lose the hand pressure sensation as the ailerons rock from one side to the other. While this is happening, the FireFly tends to get a little ahead of you because you have to move through the control dead space to keep the FireFly side slipping down the runway center line. As result you keep hunting and wobbling from side to side of the center line. Removal of the play removes all stick displacement and all one has to do is add or reduce pressure to keep the FireFly side slipping right on down the center line. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:53 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II Windshield From: "John Jung" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" Tom, The information that I gave you about using .090" Lexan without the bar was from the old Kolb company. I have flown 90 mph many times without the bar, but I know of no one flying without the bar and .060 Lexan. do not archive -------- John Jung Firestar II N6163J Surprise, AZ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22934#22934 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:42 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Land Shorter VG's on Firestar II From: "John Jung" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" Dave Bigelow wrote: > John Jung, > The interval between the two VG's in a pair is 2.75 inches, and between pairs is 3.00 inches. Dave, We have a similar wing and spacing. From what I have read about VG's, the 1 inch difference from the LE should not cause our difference.Where is your CG? Are you near 37% like I am? Maybe that could explain the difference in stall charactoristics. do not archive -------- John Jung Firestar II N6163J Surprise, AZ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22938#22938 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:45 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: From: "John Jung" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" biglar wrote: > This is what I've been getting all evening................... > Do not Archive. Lar and others having mail problems, While these mail problems continue, give the BBS a try. There are no mail problems here. I still review the messages from the daily log, but use the BBS as my primary method to keep up with the list. -------- John Jung Firestar II N6163J Surprise, AZ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22941#22941 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:47 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Kolb-List: Devious "not on purpose" Kolb trait? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman On Mar 20, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > I have seen 90 on mine, but not on purpose. What's with all these "accidental" 90MPH, not on purpose flights? Luckily I've never experienced any of my Kolb planes to manifest this devious characteristic ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, yet. What precipitates this Kolb "not on purpose" 90 MPH trait? Does this "not on purpose" 90 MPH trait make Kolb planes dangerous and unsafe? Do not archive this rhetorical post. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:40 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Devious "not on purpose" Kolb trait? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" Actually I guess I mislead you, about the "not on purpose." The incident came about when I was dropping down to a area that I wanted to see from about 2000 feet agl. I throttled back to midrange and pointed the nose down. I finally got back to my gages and saw that I was doing 90 or better. We had just had some discussions about shock cooling and I was overly concerned about that. Now if I am that high, I just spiral down in a steep turn, trying to quit before I get too dizzy. Larry,Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Zimmerman" Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Devious "not on purpose" Kolb trait? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman > > > On Mar 20, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > >> I have seen 90 on mine, but not on purpose. > > > What's with all these "accidental" 90MPH, not on purpose flights? > Luckily I've never experienced any of my Kolb planes to manifest this > devious characteristic ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, yet. > > What precipitates this Kolb "not on purpose" 90 MPH trait? > Does this "not on purpose" 90 MPH trait make Kolb planes dangerous > and unsafe? > > Do not archive this rhetorical post. > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:46 PM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hoover video... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" Homer will be elsewhere this year; no fly-in.>> Thanks Russ. I have been holding off booking a break in Malta around that time and shall now be able to go ahead. Cheers Pat do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II Windshield From: "N111KX (Kip)" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "N111KX (Kip)" I used 1/8 inch thick Lexan to make a custom windshield. It's very rigid but takes 3 people to bend it while installing on the plane. Here is a view... http://www.springeraviation.net/ Kip -------- Kip Firestar II (born September 2000) Atlanta, GA N111KX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23017#23017 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:02 PM PST US From: "chris davis" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II Windshield --> Kolb-List message posted by: "chris davis" Kip,Thanks for the great pictures , they really took me back, We all know Homer designed great airplanes but what a wonderful sightseeing aircraft and its a photographers dream, slow, steady and and if your lexan is clear and you have a camera a great place to take a 1000 pics so you can share the love of flight we all have. Thanks again, Chris Davis ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:33 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Land Shorter VG's on Firestar II From: "Dave Bigelow" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow" John J, My CG is pretty close to the aft limit. -------- Dave Bigelow Kamuela, Hawaii FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23038#23038 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:57 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ethanol/Gasoline Mixture From: "Dave Bigelow" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow" Interesting idea, Boyd. I wonder if the water grabs all the alcohol, or leaves some behind. I remember reading about this test 15 or 20 years ago in Untralight Flying magazine when "gasohol" was the rage. Actually, the idea of using a 50 gallon drum to separate out a supply of real gas might just work. So, the question remains about what to do with the ethanol/water mixture left over? Could you drink it? Perhaps you could sell it to the "Sea Foam" company? -------- Dave Bigelow Kamuela, Hawaii FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23041#23041