Kolb-List Digest Archive

Thu 03/30/06


Total Messages Posted: 26



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     1. 03:15 AM - spirts plot license (TRCowan)
     2. 04:40 AM - Re: Third fool? (Eugene Zimmerman)
     3. 06:05 AM - Sun and Fun Ultralight Arrivals and Departures (John Hauck)
     4. 06:34 AM - Re: Sun and Fun Ultralight Arrivals and Departures (John Hauck)
     5. 06:42 AM - Re: spirts plot license (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
     6. 07:14 AM - Re: Gap seal (Richard Pike)
     7. 07:40 AM - Re: a stall between 2 fools (russ kinne)
     8. 07:48 AM - Re: spirts plot license (Roger Lee)
     9. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: Third fool? (russ kinne)
    10. 08:01 AM - Re: spirts plot license (Wayne T. McCullough)
    11. 08:09 AM - Re: Gap seal (terry)
    12. 08:21 AM - Re: spirts plot license (David Lehman)
    13. 08:25 AM - Re: spirts plot license (Roger Lee)
    14. 08:33 AM - Re: a stall between 2 fools (John Hauck)
    15. 11:31 AM - Xtra w/a 912 on Barnstormers (David Key)
    16. 11:34 AM - Re: spirts plot license (robert bean)
    17. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: 4th Annual Sun & Fun Kolb Kathering (Richard Swiderski)
    18. 12:38 PM - Re: spirts plot license (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
    19. 04:03 PM - Re: a stall between 2 fools (Larry Cottrell)
    20. 04:30 PM - Re: Re: a stall between 2 fools (John Hauck)
    21. 04:52 PM - Re: spirts plot license (Cat36Fly@aol.com)
    22. 05:10 PM - Re: Sun and Fun Ultralight Arrivals and Departures (N111KX (Kip))
    23. 05:10 PM - Re: Re: a stall between 2 fools (Terry Swartz)
    24. 05:58 PM - Photos and Falcons (John Hauck)
    25. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: a stall between 2 fools (Herb Gayheart)
    26. 09:22 PM - Re: spirts plot license (robert bean)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:15:22 AM PST US
    From: TRCowan <tc1917@Direcway.com>
    Subject: spirts plot license
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: TRCowan <tc1917@direcway.com> just wanted all my friends on the Kolb list to know I finally swallowed the second big bite (the first being the registration, et. al. of my aircraft) of the spirts plop license. I successfully passed the written exam with a score of 90%. Now, gotta take a couple more big bites and get the oral and flying section down pat and go for it. Good luck to everyone going that way. Used the ASA training guide booklet but there were a few weird and trick questions to ponder. Nothing is free, right. Anyway, on I go. Ted Cowan, Alabama Hoops, Hoops, Hoops, but gotta have it for to legally drive the SS through the air.


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    Time: 04:40:28 AM PST US
    From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Third fool?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net> Ok, now you guys really have got me fooled. When a bullet leaves the gun barrel is it flying, falling, or stalling? Could an airplane ever stall and fall up rather than down? (lets say at the top of a loop?) Does an airplane fall in the same direction when it stalls in Australia as it does at Sun and Fun? Is the direction of the fall of Pat Ladd's airplane sideways when it stalls? ( relative to the moon) Could any of you experts please help un-fool me? :-) On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:37 AM, Ed Chmielewski wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" > <edchmiel@mindspring.com> > > Joe Kittinger, the holder of the free-fall altitude record (103,000 > ft. or > so, IIRC) purportedly exceeded Mach 1 and used a drogue chute to > slow down > and stabilize in the descent. > do not archive


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    Time: 06:05:31 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Sun and Fun Ultralight Arrivals and Departures
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Well, I just read the UL Arrivals and Departures for S&F, 2-10 April 2006. All 10 lines of it. Helicopter Arrivals and Departures got about the same amount of info. GA pilots need a little more info to get their airplanes on and off the ground at the main airstrip at LAL, 36 pages. Hope to arrive Paradise City Monday 3 April. See ya'll there, john h MKIII DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 06:34:17 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Sun and Fun Ultralight Arrivals and Departures
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> BTW: For your info here is the url. It is pretty large, 17.24mg: http://www.faa.gov/NTAP/sun.pdf


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    Time: 06:42:28 AM PST US
    From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
    Subject: Re: spirts plot license
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net> Congrats Ted. I passed the written too -92%- and have my "N" number. I used the Gleim method and it is really good. Yeah, a couple of weird trick questions. My problem now is finding a DAR. I've contacted one in San Diego who is LSA certified and found one in Tucson who is "in the process - they've lost my & %$# paperwork." Anyway, I should know by next week whether I'll go to Tucson or San Diego to get it Certified. For those of you who don't know, If I certify my Kolb as "Experimental - Amateur Built" there are plenty of DARs around. But there are very few "ELSA" DARs. I mean what is the difference? They are certifying that it is AIRWORTHY - shouldnt make any difference whether it is amateur built or LSA - it either is safe or it ain't. Another thing. A DAR here who inspects Amateur Built got all bent out of shape when I asked him if he was gonna get ELSA certified. He cussed the FAA for 15 minutes. He is a retired FAA employee (30 yrs) and has spent the last 20 years certifying hundreds of aircraft. But when he went for his ELSA certification, they gave him a stack of forms to fill out and all kinds of security things like "what countries have you visited in the past xxx years." and stuff like that. He got so pissed he walked out. Beaucracies!!! Bah Humbug!!! Sorry for venting but it's damn frustrating. No wonder their wayyyyy behind the power curve. I wonder how they're gonna get 18,000 "Ultralights" certified in the time frame they've set. AzDave Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "TRCowan" <tc1917@Direcway.com> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:12 AM Subject: Kolb-List: spirts plot license > --> Kolb-List message posted by: TRCowan <tc1917@direcway.com> > > just wanted all my friends on the Kolb list to know I finally swallowed > the > second big bite (the first being the registration, et. al. of my aircraft) > of the spirts plop license. I successfully passed the written exam with a > score of 90%. Now, gotta take a couple more big bites and get the oral > and > flying section down pat and go for it. Good luck to everyone going that > way. Used the ASA training guide booklet but there were a few weird and > trick questions to ponder. Nothing is free, right. Anyway, on I go. Ted > Cowan, Alabama Hoops, Hoops, Hoops, but gotta have it for to legally > drive > the SS through the air. > > >


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    Time: 07:14:07 AM PST US
    From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Subject: Re: Gap seal
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> Yesterday I mentioned that I would send pictures of my gap seal/soft pack parachute door to whoever wanted to see how it works - decided it was just as easy to add it to the web page. Here is where it's at - http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Gapsealpage.html Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive


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    Time: 07:40:06 AM PST US
    From: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: a stall between 2 fools
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net> I'll chime in briefly, too. In parachuting a body in free-fall, flat, face-to-earth, will attain a steady 120MPH. Fold the arms back, making a teardrop shape, and you can get to 200MPH. Saying "speed of gravity is about 120" is inaccurate. I'd say a falcon with wings folded is still flying; i.e, under controlled passage thru the air. And I envy you your peregrine! -- what a fantastic bird -- FWIW Do not archive > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" > <lcottrel@kfalls.net> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a stall between 2 fools > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" >> <rlaird@cavediver.com> >> >> Oh boy, I get to disgress even further! :-) >> >> The hawk isn't in free fall because it's using it's wings to control >> direction, speed, etc. > > > Well I guess that it is time that I chimed in. As a falconer whose > current > bird is a Peregrine, reputed to be the fastest bird in the world, I > do know > a bit about this subject. First the speed of gravity is somewhere > around 120 > MPH. A Falcon in a "stoop" can reach speeds reported to be around > 200 MPH. > They achieve this speed by pulling their wings into a "tear drop" > configuration. A bit different from free fall. This stoop is often > from very > high altitudes and cause a phenomenon that makes a sound not unlike > ripping > canvas, and when it culminates in a cloud of Pheasant feathers is > guaranteed > to cause a state of orgasmic bliss in the attending falconer. :-) > Larry, Oregon > > do not archive please > >


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    Time: 07:48:17 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: spirts plot license
    From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> Hi All, I have a Mark III. I to went the Gliem study way. It worked out will. I would recommend the Cd's also. These were very good for any pilot. I had a DAR named John Shablo from San Diego come out and do my airworthy inspection. It was very easy and he was very nice. His number is 619-388-7659 or his cell is 951-259-2997. Since my Kolb had 600 hrs. already I just signed it off without any test time to fly off. I live in Tucson and I'm not sure who you are talking about with the other DAR. I know of two DAR's in Phoenix for your flight test, his name is Terry Brandt another very nice guy. His number is 623-393-9451 or his cell is 602-739-0554. I also just got my repairman certificate the other day in Riverside Ca. Piece of cake, but you do need to listen in class. On the 50 question test you can't miss more than 10. If you want anymore info give me a call anytime. Roger Lee Tucson, Az. 520-574-1080 -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25284#25284


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    Time: 08:00:33 AM PST US
    From: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Third fool?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net> Gene I'll try to answer: 1. The bullet is falling. A dropped bullet and a shot bullet (level flight) reach the ground (same elevation) at the same time. 2. yes, the air is effectively pushing down on the aircraft, on the bottom of the wings that is, at the top of a loop, assuming positive G's. If it stalls, it would go up relative to the ground, down relative to the relative wind. 3. Yes, same direction, toward the center (sorry, centre) of the earth. Towards gravity. 4. I haven't seen Pat fly, but anything's possible! FWIW do not archive On Mar 30, 2006, at 7:38 AM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman > <etzim62@earthlink.net> > > Ok, now you guys really have got me fooled. > > When a bullet leaves the gun barrel is it flying, falling, or > stalling? > > Could an airplane ever stall and fall up rather than down? (lets say > at the top of a loop?) > > Does an airplane fall in the same direction when it stalls in > Australia as it does at Sun and Fun? > > Is the direction of the fall of Pat Ladd's airplane sideways when it > stalls? ( relative to the moon) > > Could any of you experts please help un-fool me? :-) > > > On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:37 AM, Ed Chmielewski wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" >> <edchmiel@mindspring.com> >> >> Joe Kittinger, the holder of the free-fall altitude record (103,000 >> ft. or >> so, IIRC) purportedly exceeded Mach 1 and used a drogue chute to >> slow down >> and stabilize in the descent. >> > > do not archive > >


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    Time: 08:01:24 AM PST US
    From: "Wayne T. McCullough" <blackbird754@alltel.net>
    Subject: Re: spirts plot license
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough" <blackbird754@alltel.net> To all, I have just finished the Sport Pilot 16 hr. course and have my letter for taking the sport pilot test....It is scheduled for next friday.....I am flying a single seat T-bird that is N-numbered and have all of the paperwork current.... The Kolbra has its registration and N-number......but my question is this....I thought that the local FAA guys could come out an inspect it for the airworthiness ticket? And a fellow club member has told me that there are 2 parts to an airworthiness.......20 hrs. flight time and then the logbook is endorsed for the ticket or does an airworthiness have to be in the aircraft for it to fly? I have been told that when all of the wheels leave the ground an airworthiness ticket MUST be in the aircraft.....hence the logbook endorsement when the time is flown off... Like to have everyones thoughts...... Destination Flight.com is who we used....Mark Burpee flies all over the country doing this and he is a great guy.... Wayne McCullough Kolbra 004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: spirts plot license > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" > <pelletier@cableone.net> > > Congrats Ted. I passed the written too -92%- and have my "N" number. I > used the Gleim method and it is really good. Yeah, a couple of weird > trick > questions. My problem now is finding a DAR. I've contacted one in San > Diego who is LSA certified and found one in Tucson who is "in the > process - > they've lost my & > %$# paperwork." Anyway, I should know by next week > whether I'll go to Tucson or San Diego to get it Certified. For those of > you who don't know, If I certify my Kolb as "Experimental - Amateur Built" > there are plenty of DARs around. But there are very few "ELSA" DARs. I > mean what is the difference? They are certifying that it is AIRWORTHY - > shouldnt make any difference whether it is amateur built or LSA - it > either > is safe or it ain't. Another thing. A DAR here who inspects Amateur > Built > got all bent out of shape when I asked him if he was gonna get ELSA > certified. He cussed the FAA for 15 minutes. He is a retired FAA > employee > (30 yrs) and has spent the last 20 years certifying hundreds of aircraft. > But when he went for his ELSA certification, they gave him a stack of > forms > to fill out and all kinds of security things like "what countries have you > visited in the past xxx years." and stuff like that. He got so pissed he > walked out. Beaucracies!!! Bah Humbug!!! > > Sorry for venting but it's damn frustrating. No wonder their wayyyyy > behind > the power curve. I wonder how they're gonna get 18,000 "Ultralights" > certified in the time frame they've set. > > AzDave > > Do Not Archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TRCowan" <tc1917@Direcway.com> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:12 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: spirts plot license > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: TRCowan <tc1917@direcway.com> >> >> just wanted all my friends on the Kolb list to know I finally swallowed >> the >> second big bite (the first being the registration, et. al. of my >> aircraft) >> of the spirts plop license. I successfully passed the written exam with >> a >> score of 90%. Now, gotta take a couple more big bites and get the oral >> and >> flying section down pat and go for it. Good luck to everyone going that >> way. Used the ASA training guide booklet but there were a few weird and >> trick questions to ponder. Nothing is free, right. Anyway, on I go. >> Ted >> Cowan, Alabama Hoops, Hoops, Hoops, but gotta have it for to legally >> drive >> the SS through the air. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 08:09:57 AM PST US
    From: terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
    Subject: Re: Gap seal
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net> Richard Pike wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> > > Yesterday I mentioned that I would send pictures of my gap seal/soft > pack parachute door to whoever wanted to see how it works - decided it > was just as easy to add it to the web page. > Here is where it's at - > http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Gapsealpage.html > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > do not archive Richard, Thank you on behalf of my friend ! Terry - FireFly #95


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    Time: 08:21:13 AM PST US
    From: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
    Subject: Re: spirts plot license
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net> Dave... Call the FSDO and ask for an inspector to do the inspection, no cost (except for April 15th)... That's assuming the SDL FSDO does am-blts and ELSAs, Fresno FSDO does... DVD On 3/30/06, Dave & Eve Pelletier <pelletier@cableone.net> wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" < > pelletier@cableone.net> > > Congrats Ted. I passed the written too -92%- and have my "N" number. I > used the Gleim method and it is really good. Yeah, a couple of weird > trick > questions. My problem now is finding a DAR. I've contacted one in San > Diego who is LSA certified and found one in Tucson who is "in the process > - > they've lost my & > %$# paperwork." Anyway, I should know by next week > whether I'll go to Tucson or San Diego to get it Certified. For those of > you who don't know, If I certify my Kolb as "Experimental - Amateur Built" > there are plenty of DARs around. But there are very few "ELSA" DARs. I > mean what is the difference? They are certifying that it is AIRWORTHY - > shouldnt make any difference whether it is amateur built or LSA - it > either > is safe or it ain't. Another thing. A DAR here who inspects Amateur > Built > got all bent out of shape when I asked him if he was gonna get ELSA > certified. He cussed the FAA for 15 minutes. He is a retired FAA > employee > (30 yrs) and has spent the last 20 years certifying hundreds of aircraft. > But when he went for his ELSA certification, they gave him a stack of > forms > to fill out and all kinds of security things like "what countries have you > visited in the past xxx years." and stuff like that. He got so pissed he > walked out. Beaucracies!!! Bah Humbug!!! > > Sorry for venting but it's damn frustrating. No wonder their wayyyyy > behind > the power curve. I wonder how they're gonna get 18,000 "Ultralights" > certified in the time frame they've set. > > AzDave > > Do Not Archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TRCowan" <tc1917@Direcway.com> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:12 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: spirts plot license > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: TRCowan <tc1917@direcway.com> > > > > just wanted all my friends on the Kolb list to know I finally swallowed > > the > > second big bite (the first being the registration, et. al. of my > aircraft) > > of the spirts plop license. I successfully passed the written exam with > a > > score of 90%. Now, gotta take a couple more big bites and get the oral > > and > > flying section down pat and go for it. Good luck to everyone going that > > way. Used the ASA training guide booklet but there were a few weird and > > trick questions to ponder. Nothing is free, right. Anyway, on I > go. Ted > > Cowan, Alabama Hoops, Hoops, Hoops, but gotta have it for to legally > > drive > > the SS through the air. > -- =F4=BF=F4 "I started with nothing... And I still have most of it left!"...


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    Time: 08:25:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: spirts plot license
    From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> Hi All, Two things here. First if you have FAA come out for an airworthy inspection, which I was going to do instead of paying for a DAR, I was told by them that they still need an FAA inspector familiar with Light Sport and it could take months to get it done. I chose to pay and it took two weeks. Second if you have a new plane with no time on it or very little the DAR may assign you time to fly off in you test area. If you have a plane like mine that has a number of hours (mine was 600 hrs.) on it then he told me all I had to do was make the appropriate log book entries and I was ready to go without flying off any time. This is also what I was told in the Repairman cert. class. This is totally up to each DAR as I learned in the repairman Cert. Class. Each DAR has the power to require slightly different flight times as he deems neccessary for safety. In short each DAR can be somewhat different in their requirements. It is not set in stone. The airworthy cert. and operation limitations have to be in the plane when you fly your time off. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25302#25302


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    Time: 08:33:02 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: a stall between 2 fools
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> | what a fantastic bird -- Here's Stink, the falcon Larry had when we met him and Karen in the Alvord Dessert: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/MV%202005%20Flight/DSCF2896.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/MV%202005%20Flight/DSCF2897.JPG Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! Life on the Alvord. Only with a Kolb! http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/MV%202005%20Flight/DSCF2901.JPG johnh mkIII


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    Time: 11:31:27 AM PST US
    From: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
    Subject: Xtra w/a 912 on Barnstormers
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>


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    Time: 11:34:26 AM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: spirts plot license
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> I think there are some who think that a real FAA inspector has fangs. Mine was a great guy who only picked nits that were real. Hard to believe that it was free! Availability may be limited to territory. This part of the country doesn't do a lot of business so I got fast service. I had to stay in the airport area for ten hours and within a huge radius for another 30. I wouldn't have done it otherwise if there had been no limits. -BB, mkIII, installing oil cooler on suzuki On 30, Mar 2006, at 11:01 AM, Wayne T. McCullough wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough" > <blackbird754@alltel.net> > > To all, > > I have just finished the Sport Pilot 16 hr. course and have my letter > for > taking the sport pilot test....It is scheduled for next friday.....I am > flying a single seat T-bird that is N-numbered and have all of the > paperwork > current.... > > The Kolbra has its registration and N-number......but my question is > this....I thought that the local FAA guys could come out an inspect it > for > the airworthiness ticket? And a fellow club member has told me that > there > are 2 parts to an airworthiness.......20 hrs. flight time and then the > logbook is endorsed for the ticket or does an airworthiness have to > be in > the aircraft for it to fly? > > I have been told that when all of the wheels leave the ground an > airworthiness ticket MUST be in the aircraft.....hence the logbook > endorsement when the time is flown off... > > Like to have everyones thoughts...... > > Destination Flight.com is who we used....Mark Burpee flies all over the > country doing this and he is a great guy.... > > > Wayne McCullough > Kolbra 004 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:40 AM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: spirts plot license > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" >> <pelletier@cableone.net> >> >> Congrats Ted. I passed the written too -92%- and have my "N" number. >> I >> used the Gleim method and it is really good. Yeah, a couple of weird >> trick >> questions. My problem now is finding a DAR. I've contacted one in >> San >> Diego who is LSA certified and found one in Tucson who is "in the >> process - >> they've lost my & >> %$# paperwork." Anyway, I should know by next week >> whether I'll go to Tucson or San Diego to get it Certified. For >> those of >> you who don't know, If I certify my Kolb as "Experimental - Amateur >> Built" >> there are plenty of DARs around. But there are very few "ELSA" DARs. >> I >> mean what is the difference? They are certifying that it is >> AIRWORTHY - >> shouldnt make any difference whether it is amateur built or LSA - it >> either >> is safe or it ain't. Another thing. A DAR here who inspects Amateur >> Built >> got all bent out of shape when I asked him if he was gonna get ELSA >> certified. He cussed the FAA for 15 minutes. He is a retired FAA >> employee >> (30 yrs) and has spent the last 20 years certifying hundreds of >> aircraft. >> But when he went for his ELSA certification, they gave him a stack of >> forms >> to fill out and all kinds of security things like "what countries >> have you >> visited in the past xxx years." and stuff like that. He got so >> pissed he >> walked out. Beaucracies!!! Bah Humbug!!! >> >> Sorry for venting but it's damn frustrating. No wonder their wayyyyy >> behind >> the power curve. I wonder how they're gonna get 18,000 "Ultralights" >> certified in the time frame they've set. >> >> AzDave >> >> Do Not Archive >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "TRCowan" <tc1917@Direcway.com> >> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:12 AM >> Subject: Kolb-List: spirts plot license >> >> >>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: TRCowan <tc1917@direcway.com> >>> >>> just wanted all my friends on the Kolb list to know I finally >>> swallowed >>> the >>> second big bite (the first being the registration, et. al. of my >>> aircraft) >>> of the spirts plop license. I successfully passed the written exam >>> with >>> a >>> score of 90%. Now, gotta take a couple more big bites and get the >>> oral >>> and >>> flying section down pat and go for it. Good luck to everyone going >>> that >>> way. Used the ASA training guide booklet but there were a few weird >>> and >>> trick questions to ponder. Nothing is free, right. Anyway, on I go. >>> Ted >>> Cowan, Alabama Hoops, Hoops, Hoops, but gotta have it for to legally >>> drive >>> the SS through the air. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 12:20:03 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Swiderski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: 4th Annual Sun & Fun Kolb Kathering
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net> Paul, tent camping is immediately adjacent to the north boundary of the UL trailer field. If you go online to the SnF site: http://www.sun-n-fun.org/content/interior.asp?section=flyin&body=convention then camping info then site map you will get the layout. I didn't see UL Camping listed but they do have it. My computer is not working well & I can't browse internet. I'll try again later. My cell# is 352-895-9287. Let me know if you don't get info you need. -Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Petty Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:51 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 4th Annual Sun & Fun Kolb Kathering --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@g-gate.net> Richard, Thanks for the invite! I will be there friday afternoon and looking for a place to pitch my tent. Any advice for where to camp or how to get there will be greatly appreciated. I will have my trusty cell phone. 601-480-9979 thanks -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=24977#24977


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    Time: 12:38:36 PM PST US
    From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
    Subject: Re: spirts plot license
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net> Robert, Was yours registered as Amateur Built or as ELSA? AzDave Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:34 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: spirts plot license > --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> > > I think there are some who think that a real FAA inspector has fangs. > Mine was a great guy who only picked nits that were real. > > Hard to believe that it was free! Availability may be limited to > territory. This part of the country doesn't do a lot of business so > I got fast service. I had to stay in the airport area for ten hours > and within a huge radius for another 30. I wouldn't have done > it otherwise if there had been no limits. > > -BB, mkIII, installing oil cooler on suzuki > > On 30, Mar 2006, at 11:01 AM, Wayne T. McCullough wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough" >> <blackbird754@alltel.net> >> >> To all, >> >> I have just finished the Sport Pilot 16 hr. course and have my letter >> for >> taking the sport pilot test....It is scheduled for next friday.....I am >> flying a single seat T-bird that is N-numbered and have all of the >> paperwork >> current.... >> >> The Kolbra has its registration and N-number......but my question is >> this....I thought that the local FAA guys could come out an inspect it >> for >> the airworthiness ticket? And a fellow club member has told me that >> there >> are 2 parts to an airworthiness.......20 hrs. flight time and then the >> logbook is endorsed for the ticket or does an airworthiness have to >> be in >> the aircraft for it to fly? >> >> I have been told that when all of the wheels leave the ground an >> airworthiness ticket MUST be in the aircraft.....hence the logbook >> endorsement when the time is flown off... >> >> Like to have everyones thoughts...... >> >> Destination Flight.com is who we used....Mark Burpee flies all over the >> country doing this and he is a great guy.... >> >> >> Wayne McCullough >> Kolbra 004 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net> >> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:40 AM >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: spirts plot license >> >> >>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" >>> <pelletier@cableone.net> >>> >>> Congrats Ted. I passed the written too -92%- and have my "N" number. >>> I >>> used the Gleim method and it is really good. Yeah, a couple of weird >>> trick >>> questions. My problem now is finding a DAR. I've contacted one in >>> San >>> Diego who is LSA certified and found one in Tucson who is "in the >>> process - >>> they've lost my & >>> %$# paperwork." Anyway, I should know by next week >>> whether I'll go to Tucson or San Diego to get it Certified. For >>> those of >>> you who don't know, If I certify my Kolb as "Experimental - Amateur >>> Built" >>> there are plenty of DARs around. But there are very few "ELSA" DARs. >>> I >>> mean what is the difference? They are certifying that it is >>> AIRWORTHY - >>> shouldnt make any difference whether it is amateur built or LSA - it >>> either >>> is safe or it ain't. Another thing. A DAR here who inspects Amateur >>> Built >>> got all bent out of shape when I asked him if he was gonna get ELSA >>> certified. He cussed the FAA for 15 minutes. He is a retired FAA >>> employee >>> (30 yrs) and has spent the last 20 years certifying hundreds of >>> aircraft. >>> But when he went for his ELSA certification, they gave him a stack of >>> forms >>> to fill out and all kinds of security things like "what countries >>> have you >>> visited in the past xxx years." and stuff like that. He got so >>> pissed he >>> walked out. Beaucracies!!! Bah Humbug!!! >>> >>> Sorry for venting but it's damn frustrating. No wonder their wayyyyy >>> behind >>> the power curve. I wonder how they're gonna get 18,000 "Ultralights" >>> certified in the time frame they've set. >>> >>> AzDave >>> >>> Do Not Archive >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "TRCowan" <tc1917@Direcway.com> >>> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:12 AM >>> Subject: Kolb-List: spirts plot license >>> >>> >>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: TRCowan <tc1917@direcway.com> >>>> >>>> just wanted all my friends on the Kolb list to know I finally >>>> swallowed >>>> the >>>> second big bite (the first being the registration, et. al. of my >>>> aircraft) >>>> of the spirts plop license. I successfully passed the written exam >>>> with >>>> a >>>> score of 90%. Now, gotta take a couple more big bites and get the >>>> oral >>>> and >>>> flying section down pat and go for it. Good luck to everyone going >>>> that >>>> way. Used the ASA training guide booklet but there were a few weird >>>> and >>>> trick questions to ponder. Nothing is free, right. Anyway, on I go. >>>> Ted >>>> Cowan, Alabama Hoops, Hoops, Hoops, but gotta have it for to legally >>>> drive >>>> the SS through the air. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:03:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: a stall between 2 fools
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <Lcottrel@kfalls.net>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <Lcottrel@kfalls.net> I was going to drop this line of thought since it really was not Kolb related, but then John posted a picture of Stink, MY WIFE'S BIRD, and the tail feathers of my firestar was in the background, so I guess that makes it ok. My bird, Jessie, is attached. She is a Tundra Peregrine, and getting to be a character as well. Yes they are indeed flying when they stoop (dive) since they can hit a fleeing duck or pheasant anywhere they want to with serious results. Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25427#25427 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/jessieindy_and_betsy_457.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/jessie_gadwall_644.jpg


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    Time: 04:30:12 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: a stall between 2 fools
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Kolb related, but then John posted a picture of Stink, MY WIFE'S BIRD, and the tail feathers of my firestar was in the background, so I guess that makes it ok. | Larry Your falcons make a lot more sense to me than some of the BS that has been bouncing around the Kolb List lately. Never in my life thought I would ever get a chance to get up close and cozy with a perigrine. My first encounter was a nesting area near the pipeline haul road not far south of Deadhorse, Alaska. This was an off limits area and the only reason it got my attention. The few days I got to spend with Larry and Karen and the falcon in the dessert was a wonderful experience. Still waiting for a chance to watch them hunt. Some day I will get to experience this too. john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 04:52:30 PM PST US
    From: Cat36Fly@aol.com
    Subject: Re: spirts plot license
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com I got my airworthiness last Oct for my amateur built experimental (MKlllX). The certificate has to be in the plane before the wheels leave the ground. I am now operating in the flight testing phase which restricts me to a 25 mile radius of my home airport for 40 hrs. I now have 25 flown off. The regular FAA did not do the inspection. I had to hire a qualified DAR to do it. The biggest issue is getting all the paperwork together, signed and notarized (where required). Larry MKlllx 582/warp N615RT


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    Time: 05:10:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sun and Fun Ultralight Arrivals and Departures
    From: "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx@mindspring.com>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx@mindspring.com> My only mistake upon arrival two years ago was that I arrived after flying 9 hours during the powered parachute demo. I circled out of the way for 45 minutes and had had enough and the sun was going down. I fit in between the chutes for landing and was chased down by the runway nazi on the 3 wheeler. I told him that the chute thing was not on in the NOTAM and he said it was. No point in arguing with someone who waits all year to be Top Ground [Laughing] Kip -------- Kip Firestar II (born September 2000) Atlanta, GA N111KX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25448#25448


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    Time: 05:10:13 PM PST US
    From: "Terry Swartz" <terry@juliaswartz.com>
    Subject: Re: a stall between 2 fools
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry Swartz" <terry@juliaswartz.com> For all of you into falcons, check the following site. You can watch the hatching; feeding, etc. live on the internet from Harrisburg PA. http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/falcon/ Terry Swartz www.juliaswartz.com Watercolor paintings, Oil Paintings, Fine Art Prints, & Canvas Prints. The few days I got to spend with Larry and Karen and the falcon in the dessert was a wonderful experience. Still waiting for a chance to watch them hunt. Some day I will get to experience this too. john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 05:58:56 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Photos and Falcons
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck%20Stuff/MV%202005%20Flight/DSCF2896.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck%20Stuff/MV%202005%20Flight/DSCF2897.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck%20Stuff/MV%202005%20Flight/DSCF2901.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck%20Stuff/MV%202005%20Flight/DSCF2905.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck%20Stuff/MV%202005%20Flight/DSCF2879.JPG


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    Time: 08:03:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: a stall between 2 fools
    From: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com> What you naysayers forget is that a falcon is just one big vortex generator!! :-) Herb On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:09:12 -0500 "Terry Swartz" <terry@juliaswartz.com> writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry Swartz" > <terry@juliaswartz.com> > > For all of you into falcons, check the following site. You can watch > the > hatching; feeding, etc. live on the internet from Harrisburg PA. > > http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/falcon/ > > Terry Swartz > www.juliaswartz.com > Watercolor paintings, Oil Paintings, Fine Art Prints, & Canvas > Prints. > > > The few days I got to spend with Larry and Karen and the falcon in > the > dessert was a wonderful experience. Still waiting for a chance to > watch them hunt. Some day I will get to experience this too. > > john h > mkIII > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:22:42 PM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: spirts plot license
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> On 30, Mar 2006, at 3:34 PM, Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" > <pelletier@cableone.net> > > Robert, > Was yours registered as Amateur Built or as ELSA? > Amateur, and I don't know what the difference would be. Do you still need the big EXPERIMENTAL letters pasted on the side? -BB do not archive




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