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1. 04:02 AM - Re: SS Kolb (Kirk Smith)
2. 05:19 AM - New member/ owner (Jerry Deckard)
3. 05:43 AM - Re: New member/ owner (robert bean)
4. 06:05 AM - Re: New member/ owner (David Key)
5. 07:49 AM - Re: New member/ owner (John Jung)
6. 08:25 AM - Re: New member/ owner (planecrazzzy)
7. 08:33 AM - Re: New member/ owner (Thom Riddle)
8. 08:56 AM - New member (flykolb)
9. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: New member/ owner (David Key)
10. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: New member/ owner (Richard Pike)
11. 10:52 AM - Re: New member/ owner (planecrazzzy)
12. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: New member/ owner (russ kinne)
13. 01:06 PM - Wet runway (ray anderson)
14. 01:45 PM - Matronics Email List Wiki! (Matt Dralle)
15. 04:16 PM - Re: New member (planecrazzzy)
16. 05:31 PM - Re: Re: New member/ owner (Jerry Deckard)
17. 06:23 PM - Video: Firestar II Landings (Bill Vincent)
18. 07:28 PM - Re: Re: New member (possums)
19. 07:28 PM - Re: New member/ owner (Don G)
20. 08:12 PM - Re: Re: Land Shorter VG's on Firestar II (possums)
21. 08:40 PM - Re: New member/ owner (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
22. 09:09 PM - Sneaky wind upsets Kolb FireStar (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
23. 09:18 PM - Re: Re: New member (Ed Chmielewski)
24. 11:33 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
25. 11:33 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
"Sixty years old, been flying ultralites for
twelve years, have built and/or rebuilt six Kolbs and NOW I gotta be
licensed to fly and WORK on one. wow, who wodda thunk." ted cowan,
alabama
Didn't need a license to die but need one to fly. Kinda crazy ain't it?
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| Subject: | New member/ owner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally@semo.net>
Let me introduce myself. I just picked up a mid 90's unfinished firestar.
I may be asking questions in the future.
I currently fly a CWII Challenger and have for about 6 years. I am in SE
Missouri and fly from my own strip.
How hard or challenging is to go from a nose wheel plane to the Kolb? I
haven't ever flown a tail wheel.
Jerry Deckard
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| Subject: | Re: New member/ owner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Jerry, spend a couple sessions driving it up and down your strip.
That should do it. Pay attention to how well your tail wheel responds
and adjust it if necessary. The flying/landing part is no big deal.
Fly it to within a foot or so of the ground. Forklifts are tougher to
handle.
-BB do not archive
On 1, Apr 2006, at 8:16 AM, Jerry Deckard wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard"
> <mustangsally@semo.net>
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> Let me introduce myself. I just picked up a mid 90's unfinished
> firestar.
> I may be asking questions in the future.
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> I currently fly a CWII Challenger and have for about 6 years. I am in
> SE
> Missouri and fly from my own strip.
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> How hard or challenging is to go from a nose wheel plane to the Kolb? I
> haven't ever flown a tail wheel.
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> Jerry Deckard
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| Subject: | New member/ owner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Make sure you are landing into the wind for a while. Look at the far end of
the runway when you get close to landing and when you are high speed
taxiing. Over correcting was my biggest problem at first, if it's going
crooked then make tiny rudder adjustments, not one big one. If you have your
own field then cut the runway a little wider. Make sure you're not drifting
across the runway center line on final or before touch down. After a month
none of this advise will be important to you any more, it's easy.
>From: "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally@semo.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: New member/ owner
>Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:16:59 -0600
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>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally@semo.net>
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>Let me introduce myself. I just picked up a mid 90's unfinished firestar.
>I may be asking questions in the future.
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>I currently fly a CWII Challenger and have for about 6 years. I am in SE
>Missouri and fly from my own strip.
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>How hard or challenging is to go from a nose wheel plane to the Kolb? I
>haven't ever flown a tail wheel.
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>Jerry Deckard
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| Subject: | Re: New member/ owner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
mustangsally(at)semo.net wrote:
> How hard or challenging is to go from a nose wheel plane to the Kolb? I
> haven't ever flown a tail wheel.
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> Jerry Deckard
Jerry,
Most people say it is a non-issue. It is at most, a very small issue. I got a few
landing in a Mark II before flying a Firestar (my first tail draggger), and
it was mostly for peace of mind or confidence. It would not have been necessary.
It just helped to relax me.
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John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: New member/ owner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
I don't know how much "time" you had before you were having problems
like the ones you stated..... ( Your SCARING the guy )
But it sounds personal....Most of us Never came close to having that
kind of difficultly....
To the "main Question" - It would help a little to get some tailwheel training......?
You should give a little "forward stick"....Fly the tail ,
and "rotate" when ready.... ( It seems to work for me )
Or you could haul it to the Great Salt Lakes and have Plenty of room....
He he he.... ( but watch out for those Mountains on the edges )
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN / N381PM
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dhkey(at)msn.com wrote:
> Make sure you are landing into the wind for a while. Look at the far end of
> the runway when you get close to landing and when you are high speed
> taxiing. Over correcting was my biggest problem at first, if it's going
> crooked then make tiny rudder adjustments, not one big one. If you have your
> own field then cut the runway a little wider. Make sure you're not drifting
> across the runway center line on final or before touch down. After a month
> none of this advise will be important to you any more, it's easy.
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The more people I know....
The more I like MY DOG
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| Subject: | Re: New member/ owner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Jerry,
One thing that has not been mentioned is this. Try not to use the brakes too hard
for stopping. The CG on most Kolbs is very close to the main gear so hard braking
can put your nose on the ground. Ususally not much damage but it is embarassing.
On a grass strip, unless it is really short, you should not need brakes
for stopping, unless you are headed downwind. I would say that most of us
have done at least one noseover in a Kolb.
Thom in Buffalo
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@wowway.com>
Jery,
"most of us have done at least one noseover in a Kolb."
A noseover is not as bad as it sounds. It merely means that the nose has touched
the ground and puts you in an embarassing position. Not at all like a flip!
Jim
Mark III
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| Subject: | Re: New member/ owner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Wow Mike(planecrazy) you're a real jackass huh?
Yes, I'm pointing out some issues I had when I started flying my Kolb, sure
you can say they are my personal problems. Yes it was tricky for me to make
the adjustment to steering with the tail wheel, reminded me of steering the
red flyer wagons as a kid. When I made small corrections it really helped.
Maybe it was my plane, maybe it was me. I guess you have to get used to
people not being as smart and skilled as you.
Someday you might even aspire to go further in your training than your
Private License.
>From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New member/ owner
>Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 08:24:57 -0800
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>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
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>I don't know how much "time" you had before you were having problems
>like the ones you stated..... ( Your SCARING the guy )
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> But it sounds personal....Most of us Never came close to having that
>kind of difficultly....
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> To the "main Question" - It would help a little to get some tailwheel
>training......? You should give a little "forward stick"....Fly the tail ,
> and "rotate" when ready.... ( It seems to work for me )
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> Or you could haul it to the Great Salt Lakes and have Plenty of room....
> He he he.... ( but watch out for those Mountains on the edges )
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> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN / N381PM
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>dhkey(at)msn.com wrote:
> > Make sure you are landing into the wind for a while. Look at the far end
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> > taxiing. Over correcting was my biggest problem at first, if it's going
> > crooked then make tiny rudder adjustments, not one big one. If you have
>your
> > own field then cut the runway a little wider. Make sure you're not
>drifting
> > across the runway center line on final or before touch down. After a
>month
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| Subject: | Re: New member/ owner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Along with this, do not start your takeoff by firewalling the throttle
when sitting still. When you begin your takeoff, give it about half
throttle for a second or two until it gets up to about 15 mph before
going to full throttle. Otherwise that high thrust line might overcome
inertia by having your Kolb looking like a hog rooting for acorns...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Thom Riddle wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
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> Jerry,
>
> One thing that has not been mentioned is this. Try not to use the brakes too
hard for stopping. The CG on most Kolbs is very close to the main gear so hard
braking can put your nose on the ground. Ususally not much damage but it is embarassing.
On a grass strip, unless it is really short, you should not need brakes
for stopping, unless you are headed downwind. I would say that most of us
have done at least one noseover in a Kolb.
>
> Thom in Buffalo
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25769#25769
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| Subject: | Re: New member/ owner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Woof...
dhkey(at)msn.com wrote:
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The more people I know....
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| Subject: | Re: New member/ owner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Woof not HeeHaw??
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On Apr 1, 2006, at 1:51 PM, planecrazzzy wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy"
> <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
If anyone is interested, this is the link showing the video of the T6's and their
wet runway.
Kolbs could do it. Just not with me.
http://www.flightzone.co.za/media/harvards.wmv
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| Subject: | Matronics Email List Wiki! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I have added a new feature to the Email List Forums at Matronics called a Wiki. What's "Wiki" you ask? A Wiki is a website. You go to it and browse just like you would any other web site. The difference is, you can change it. You can put anything you want on this web site without having to be a web designer or even being the owner. You can write a new page just like writing an email message on the BBS. You don't need to send it off to anyone to install on the site. It is kind of like a Blog (weblog) in which anyone can post. Here is a great page on where the term Wiki came from and what it means in the context of a website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
So on to the new Matronics Email List Wiki... I've created this site for anyone
from any of the Email Lists to use. I envision that there are a great many
things that can be added to this new Wiki since there are always new and interesting
tidbits of useful information traversing the Lists.
Off the main Matronics Email List Wiki page, you will find a link called "Community
Portal". Here you will find more links to stubs for all the various Lists
found at Matronics (and a few other links). Brian Lloyd and others from the
Yak-List have already begun adding content in a number of areas. Bob Nuckolls
of AeroElectric fame has added a great article on "Ageing Aircraft".
I have discussed the new Matronics Email List Wiki with Tedd McHenry and Dwight Frye of the RV Wiki Site and they have decided to merge their site over onto the new Matronics Wiki server giving everyone a single source for information on RV building and flying! This migration will begin today and you should be able to find all of the content currently found at www.rvwiki.org moved over to the Matronics Wiki within a few days.
To make edits to the Matronics Wiki, you will need to have a login account on the
Matronics Wiki and I have disabled anonymous edits. This protects the Wiki
site from automated spam engines and other nuisances that could compromise the
data at the site.
Signing up for an account is fast and easy and begins by clicking on the "create
an account or log in" link in the upper right hand corner of any page. Note
that you do not have to have a login or be logged in to view any of the content.
The Matronics Email List Wiki is YOUR Wiki! It is only as useful as the content
found within. The concept of the Wiki is that the people the use it and update
it. If you've got an interesting procedure for doing something, MAKE A WIKI
PAGE ON IT! You can even upload pictures. Saw something interesting at a
flyin? MAKE A WIKI PAGE ON IT! Don't be shy, this is YOUR site to share information
with others with similar interests.
Here is a users guide on using the Wiki implemented at Matronics: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents This gives a lot of great information on how to get started editing pages.
And finally, here is the URL for the Matronics Email List Wiki:
http://wiki.matronics.com
Brian Lloyd has written an excellent introduction to Wikis on the front page.
I encourage you to read it over, then drill into the "Community Portal" and HAVE
FUN!!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Here's what I made to prevent that "Nose over" that I've heard so much about....
I'll leave it on my plane til I've been in Different enviroments like
soft dirt, sand, high grass, ect...
I made it a little bigger than the ones I've seen.... It should "touch" when
the nose is still 5" off the ground.... but if the ground is too soft , The nose
would probly still touch....?
http://wingsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=174
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN / N381PM
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The more I like MY DOG
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| Subject: | Re: New member/ owner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally@semo.net>
I have seen a couple of nose overs on take off. Doesn't look bad just
embarrassing.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:33 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New member/ owner
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
>
> Jerry,
>
> One thing that has not been mentioned is this. Try not to use the brakes
> too hard for stopping. The CG on most Kolbs is very close to the main gear
> so hard braking can put your nose on the ground. Ususally not much damage
> but it is embarassing. On a grass strip, unless it is really short, you
> should not need brakes for stopping, unless you are headed downwind. I
> would say that most of us have done at least one noseover in a Kolb.
>
> Thom in Buffalo
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25769#25769
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| Subject: | Video: Firestar II Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi Gang
This video is me taking off and landing from the grass runway where I hangar my
plane.
The audio & video is a little inconsistent due to transferring from analog to digital.
Dont worry I wont bore you with any more videos for awhile [Wink]
My two cents:
I recommend taking flight training in an ultralight, even if you have experience
in heavier aircraft.
Because of the light weight, high drag, of an ultralight, I recommend to fly it
right to the ground. If you have a head wind and it suddenly disappears because
of flying it below the tree line wind gradient gusty conditions, etc. the
air speed will drop suddenly; especially in the very light ultralights.
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Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25919#25919
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 07:13 PM 4/1/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
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>Here's what I made to prevent that "Nose over" that I've heard so
>much about...
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> I made it a little bigger than the ones I've seen.... It should "touch" when
>the nose is still 5" off the ground.... but if the ground is too
>soft , The nose would probly still touch....?
Dam... that's a big one.
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| Subject: | Re: New member/ owner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Welcome Jerry Deckard...hmm that name sounds familiar...and a challenger huh?....have
you ever brought that bird up to central Illinois to any Fly-ins?
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Don G
FireFly#098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Land Shorter VG's on Firestar II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 09:54 AM 3/28/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
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>Group,
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>Joa did respond to the list last night. I should read everything
>before I reply to anything in the morning. He changed the subject line.
>
>Anyway, what he accomplished with VGs on the underside of the
>horizontal stab is exactly the way my Firestar II flys now. So
>adding them to my stab would be a waste of time and money.
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>John Jung
John
I'll agree with you on that .... but since I ordered another 20 VGs,
I thought I would put them on either side of the Rudder.
So, today I spent 45 minutes with my nose stuck up in the air...at
"what ever angle" it is at 29 - 32 mph and
testing the rudder input. You may not have noticed yet that when you
slow the stall speed down that much with
the VGs, the rudder does not respond like it did at 40 mph. Well, I
think you will recover the difference by
installing those little things ...like he says - in front of the
rudder hinges. Flying 30+- mph indicated - thermals, not too
bad ( but bad enough that no one else was flying ), still drops a
wing once in a while, kick the opposite rudder, and it picks it right
back up again. Used to be sloppy. I've got cars stopping below me -
thinking I'm some kind of a box-kite ...cool. Another $ 30 well spent !!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <neilsenrmf@comcast.net>
Welcome Jerry
You will not have any problems with the Kolb. Those of us that came from the
GA world have had problems with landing our Kolbs because of the lack of
inertia and lots of drag but you are used to it so it shouldn't be a
problem. Keep your speed and power up till you are a few inches from the
ground. As you get comfortable slowly progress to less power on approach.
As for tail wheels it's a non issue. I had a problem once landing down wind
on a paved strip but it was a stupid thing to do. I didn't ground loop but
it did get exciting. Stay on grass till you're comfortable and it will not
be a problem.
As for going up on your nose. It can happen but common sense goes a long way
here. One of our members, that hadn't flown yet, felt the need to build a
monster hoop for his plane but it isn't necessary. We really tried to advise
him that it wasn't needed but..... If you ease in the power till your
elevators start working you will not have a problem. Again just use a bit of
common sense.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally@semo.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 8:16 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: New member/ owner
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally@semo.net>
>
> Let me introduce myself. I just picked up a mid 90's unfinished firestar.
> I may be asking questions in the future.
>
> I currently fly a CWII Challenger and have for about 6 years. I am in SE
> Missouri and fly from my own strip.
>
> How hard or challenging is to go from a nose wheel plane to the Kolb? I
> haven't ever flown a tail wheel.
>
> Jerry Deckard
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Sneaky wind upsets Kolb FireStar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
On Thursday 3/30/06, my flying buddy, Alan Mancus had his FireStar trashed
by a fickle wind gust. Three of us had flown our Kolbs, along with one fella
in an Avid Flyer, from Alloway, NJ to Massey, MD, a flight of 30 miles. The
winds were predicted to be light (under 10 MPH) and they seemed to be so when
we started out. But the air was very, very turbulent, the worst I have ever
flown in. When we arrived at Massey, the wind sock, which is mounted high
up on top of a large hangar, was kicking out almost straight. We did manage
to land without incident and on the ground the wind did not seem to be that
strong. We had been there for about 1-1/2 hours and were discussing whether
we should wait until after 3 PM for the sun to drop a little and perhaps the
air would not be so turbulent on the return flight.
We had parked our planes facing into the wind, because when the wind comes
at them from the rear it causes the ailerons and rudder to constantly work
back and forth. The spot we parked in was sloped. Alan's Kolb was sitting on
the highest point of ground and the others, the Avid Flyer and the other two
Kolbs were in succession sitting in the lower ground.
The wind had started to change direction and several times we moved the
planes to face into the breeze. There must have been at least 6 or 7 people
standing around talking, none of them looking directly at Alan's Kolb. Suddenly,
we noticed out of the corner of our eyes, his Kolb was going up and over
onto is back. There was no chance to save it. It all happened in a split second
What a sickening sight. I think perhaps the wind came across the open
fields, swooped down into the low section and then upwards right at Alan's plane.
The wind got under the left wing and lifted it up until the right wing hit
the ground. In that position, the wind had enough strength to lift it even
higher and with the tail still touching the ground, it rolled the Kolb over
sideways into the upside down position. Crunch.
All of the flying surfaces suffered damage. Leading and trailing spars are
bent. Some ribs are broken and bent in. The cage survived, but the tail
boom is totaled. It was almost severed at the point were the big bolt goes
through the H-section at the rear of the cage. The engine is also ok, although
one muffler mount angle was bent.
Lesson learned, better use tie downs anytime there is a significant breeze
blowing.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Yeah. I get that a lot.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New member
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
> Dam... that's a big one.
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| Subject: | Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Kolb-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
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Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
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terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
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- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
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- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
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- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
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agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
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- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
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subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
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