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1. 07:06 AM - Re: Wet runway (Mike Schnabel)
2. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: New member/ owner (Jack B. Hart)
3. 08:22 AM - Re: Sneaky wind upsets Kolb FireStar (Ralph)
4. 08:23 AM - Re: Sneaky wind upsets Kolb FireStar (John Jung)
5. 08:36 AM - tail draging on the greatr salt lakes (boyd)
6. 08:47 AM - Re: Wet runway (planecrazzzy)
7. 09:11 AM - Re: Wet runway (Steve Garvelink)
8. 09:45 AM - Re: tail draging on the greatr salt lakes (planecrazzzy)
9. 09:55 AM - Speaking of WIND (planecrazzzy)
10. 11:44 AM - Largest European Kit Plane - Final assembly video (Thom Riddle)
11. 02:28 PM - Re: Land Shorter VG's on Firestar II (planecrazzzy)
12. 10:21 PM - Re: New member/ owner (Dave Bigelow)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
Ray, When i click
your link, i get a 2:08 minute of music and no video.
After playing, and i click the play button again, i
get the music and a scrambled video. Have not figured
out how to see the actual video. Was this from a site
you are a subscribed member to?
Mike S Firestar 2
503 Manchester TN
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| Subject: | Re: New member/ owner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
At 07:29 PM 4/1/06 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally@semo.net>
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>I have seen a couple of nose overs on take off. Doesn't look bad just
>embarrassing.
>Jerry
Jerry,
When you see guys at EAA Chapter 453, please tell them hello.
Jerry a member of EAA Chapter 453 in Painton, MO at the time I was in MO.
He may have seen me put my FireFly on its nose. It was my first take off
from a grass strip. I thought I pushed the throttle in the same as I had at
Perryville, but it was too much for grass. The wheel drag and the high
thrust line got me. I remember sitting there wondering what is going on.
This thing is a shaken and quaken, the tail was up and it was not coming
loose from the ground. Then I felt my self sinking and the tail starting
to come up further on its own. I moved the stick back against the stop and
nothing happened. I did not get the throttle backed off in time and over I
went on the nose. It was a repeat of my sailplane days. I just kept it
straight until it came to a stop. I had 54 miles to get home as the sun was
going down. So, I put my right leg out and gave a little push. As the tail
started to come down, I gave a little push on the throttle to keep it from
banging. And then I advanced the throttle slowly, made a nice lift off and
headed on home.
This lead to VG's, never taking off with the tail up, and always holding the
stick back against the stop, and teasing the throttle. I have not had a
nose over on takeoff since the first one. But I have nosed it over twice
while taxiing in tall grass and adverse wind conditions. Experience is a
great teacher.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Sneaky wind upsets Kolb FireStar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
Bill, this is a sad story and one of my worst worries because I don't usually carry
tiedowns as I lack the room on my Original Firestar. I was at a fly-in a
few years ago when a wind almost blew over my friends Firestar. There were a lot
of people around the plane and were nice enough to catch it before it blew
over.
I always secure the stick to keep the ailerons from blowing around. I wonder if
it would be better to position the plane downwind in a stiff wind.
Thanks for sharing .....
Ralph Burlingame
Original Firestar
19 years flying it
-- WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
On Thursday 3/30/06, my flying buddy, Alan Mancus had his FireStar trashed
by a fickle wind gust. Three of us had flown our Kolbs, along with one fella
in an Avid Flyer, from Alloway, NJ to Massey, MD, a flight of 30 miles. The
winds were predicted to be light (under 10 MPH) and they seemed to be so when
we started out. But the air was very, very turbulent, the worst I have ever
flown in. When we arrived at Massey, the wind sock, which is mounted high
up on top of a large hangar, was kicking out almost straight. We did manage
to land without incident and on the ground the wind did not seem to be that
strong. We had been there for about 1-1/2 hours and were discussing whether
we should wait until after 3 PM for the sun to drop a little and perhaps the
air would not be so turbulent on the return flight.
We had parked our planes facing into the wind, because when the wind comes
at them from the rear it causes the ailerons and rudder to constantly work
back and forth. The spot we parked in was sloped. Alan's Kolb was sitting on
the highest point of ground and the others, the Avid Flyer and the other two
Kolbs were in succession sitting in the lower ground.
The wind had started to change direction and several times we moved the
planes to face into the breeze. There must have been at least 6 or 7 people
standing around talking, none of them looking directly at Alan's Kolb. Suddenly,
we noticed out of the corner of our eyes, his Kolb was going up and over
onto is back. There was no chance to save it. It all happened in a split second
What a sickening sight. I think perhaps the wind came across the open
fields, swooped down into the low section and then upwards right at Alan's plane.
The wind got under the left wing and lifted it up until the right wing hit
the ground. In that position, the wind had enough strength to lift it even
higher and with the tail still touching the ground, it rolled the Kolb over
sideways into the upside down position. Crunch.
All of the flying surfaces suffered damage. Leading and trailing spars are
bent. Some ribs are broken and bent in. The cage survived, but the tail
boom is totaled. It was almost severed at the point were the big bolt goes
through the H-section at the rear of the cage. The engine is also ok, although
one muffler mount angle was bent.
Lesson learned, better use tie downs anytime there is a significant breeze
blowing.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Sneaky wind upsets Kolb FireStar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.co wrote:
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> Lesson learned, better use tie downs anytime there is a significant breeze blowing.
> Bill Varnes
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A lesson for all of us. In the past, I have been reluctant to use tiedowns if there
is no storm warning. I do point my plane away from the wind, though. I have
even learned to restrict the stick movement with the seatbelts. But, after
reading about this incident, I will try to use tie downs more often.
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John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | tail draging on the greatr salt lakes |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Hay you are talking about my strip now.. don't let out all my secrets..
Boyd
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Or you could haul it to the Great Salt Lakes and have Plenty of room....
He he he.... ( but watch out for those Mountains on the edges )
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN / N381PM
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Mike,
The link worked OK here, I've got free Dial up....it took awhile
but it was worth the wait...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN / N381PM
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
Mike,
I am just guessing but you need to check the version of windows media player you
may have an older one and need to upgrade. I am running xp with the latest
version of windows media player and it works fine. Very neat video.
Steve Garvelink
Hixson, tn
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| Subject: | Re: tail draging on the greatr salt lakes |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hi Boyd,
That's GOTTA be a great area to Fly....
I wonder how they put those "Rocks" into pictures on the side of the road...
Must have some kind of Grid the're using to make them so accurate...
I've never seen them from the air.... Maybe theirs a Kolb flying over
head directing them........no no...a little to the left......YOUR OTHER LEFT.
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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I can only make One person HAPPY each day,
Today's just NOT your day....
Tomorrow doesn't look good either !
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| Subject: | Speaking of WIND |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Just thought I'd share a little "saying" that my Tailwheel instructor had
told me....
It just made WHERE to put the stick "automatic" , before I had to think
about it too much....
Here's what he said:
WIND BEHIND
"blows the stick"
HEADWIND
"pull back..,
stick into the wind"
A guy out at Frog Field had a Tailwind "Flip" him over because he had
it wrong...he was in a T-Bird ( w/passenger)
Tis the WINDY season,
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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I can only make One person HAPPY each day,
Today's just NOT your day....
Tomorrow doesn't look good either !
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| Subject: | Largest European Kit Plane - Final assembly video |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Not directly Kolb related but should be of interest anyway.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3046542226114078023
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: Land Shorter VG's on Firestar II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Possum,
Can you post some more pictures ???
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Thanks,
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Mike in MN / N381PM
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John
I'll agree with you on that .... but since I ordered another 20 VGs,
I thought I would put them on either side of the Rudder.
So, today I spent 45 minutes with my nose stuck up in the air...at
"what ever angle" it is at 29 - 32 mph and
testing the rudder input. You may not have noticed yet that when you
slow the stall speed down that much with
the VGs, the rudder does not respond like it did at 40 mph. Well, I
think you will recover the difference by
installing those little things ...like he says - in front of the
rudder hinges. Flying 30+- mph indicated - thermals, not too
bad ( but bad enough that no one else was flying ), still drops a
wing once in a while, kick the opposite rudder, and it picks it right
back up again. Used to be sloppy. I've got cars stopping below me -
thinking I'm some kind of a box-kite ...cool. Another $ 30 well spent !![/quote]
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Today's just NOT your day....
Tomorrow doesn't look good either !
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| Subject: | Re: New member/ owner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Bigelow" <up_country@hotmail.com>
Jerry,
The transition to the Firestar will not be a big deal. Taxi it around to get a
feel for the steering. On takeoff, slowly move the throttle forward to full
power, and hold the stick slightly aft of neutral. You do not need to lift the
tail - just let it lift off from the three point attitude. If your bird is
503 equipped, the take off is more like a launch than a roll. If you are on grass,
be careful advancing the throttle until your ground speed is 10-15 mph.
I haven't noticed that there is much of a nose over tendency with the Firestar
unless you are holding the brakes as you run up, or are in pretty high grass.
Landing is pretty much the same as you are used to with the Challenger. Keep your
speed up and some power on until you are within a foot or so from the ground
and in the flare. Keep flying the plane until you are stopped or at a slow
taxi speed.
You'll like your Firestar!
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Dave Bigelow
Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, Rotax 503 DCDI
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