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1. 07:22 AM - Re: Sneaky wind upsets Kolb FireStar (Terry Frantz)
2. 08:35 AM - Half-doors on MkIII ? (Robert Laird)
3. 08:41 AM - Re: Sneaky wind upsets Kolb FireStar (Eugene Zimmerman)
4. 12:44 PM - Re: Half-doors on MkIII ? (robert bean)
5. 12:49 PM - tail draging on the greatr salt lakes (boyd)
6. 12:52 PM - Re: Half-doors on MkIII ? (Robert Laird)
7. 12:57 PM - Instrument Markings (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
8. 01:46 PM - sneaky wind (russ kinne)
9. 02:07 PM - Re: Half-doors on MkIII ? (Kolbdriver)
10. 03:33 PM - Re: Half-doors on MkIII ? (Richard Pike)
11. 08:52 PM - No doors on xtra (David Key)
12. 10:35 PM - Re: No doors on xtra (possums)
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| Subject: | Re: Sneaky wind upsets Kolb FireStar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Frantz <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Bill,
Please tell Alan how sorry I am to hear about his loss. I have enjoyed
meeting you both at Smoketown and Homer's farm the last couple of
years. Hopefully he will be able to rebuild or find another Kolb to
purchase in the near future.
This sure has brought home the need to be prepared for those sudden wind
gusts especially while not near your plane. Friends and I go air
camping every year and have not been tying down over night. Might have
to re-evaluate the situation in the future.
Thanks for letting us know and also thanks for the information on your
gap seal which I relayed to my friend,
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Half-doors on MkIII ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
Does anyone fly with half-doors on their MkIII? I've got full doors
but am considering removing them and putting half-doors on, so I get
an unobscured view for photography purposes. But I'm wondering about
it's affect on, well, everything.
-- Robert
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| Subject: | Re: Sneaky wind upsets Kolb FireStar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On Apr 3, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Terry Frantz wrote:
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> Bill,
>
> Please tell Alan how sorry I am to hear about his loss. I have
> enjoyed
> meeting you both at Smoketown and Homer's farm the last couple of
> years. Hopefully he will be able to rebuild or find another Kolb to
> purchase in the near future.
>
> This sure has brought home the need to be prepared for those sudden
> wind
> gusts especially while not near your plane.
Bill,
Terry expressed my sentiments exactly.
Thanks for sharing that experience.
It is so easy to become lax over time.
Hope to see you again soon.
Eugene Zimmerman
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| Subject: | Re: Half-doors on MkIII ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Are you referring to half up or half back?
I was still flying my mkIII as of last fall with no doors.
-aside from being a little chilly when the thermometer drops
there were no adverse effects.
I'm thinking about half (up) doors that I can put hingeing windows on.
Then on a hot day I can fold them outboard and down the side.
-BB
do not archive
On 3, Apr 2006, at 11:33 AM, Robert Laird wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
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> Does anyone fly with half-doors on their MkIII? I've got full doors
> but am considering removing them and putting half-doors on, so I get
> an unobscured view for photography purposes. But I'm wondering about
> it's affect on, well, everything.
>
> -- Robert
>
>
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| Subject: | tail draging on the greatr salt lakes |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Hi Boyd,
That's GOTTA be a great area to Fly....
I wonder how they put those "Rocks" into pictures on the side of the
road...
Must have some kind of Grid the're using to make them so accurate...
I've never seen them from the air.... Maybe theirs a Kolb flying over
head directing them........no no...a little to the left......YOUR OTHER
LEFT.
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
Do not archive
Mike I am not exactly sure which rocks you refer to. But it may have been
me directing them, they always put the ones on the right side first, cause
when they get done with the ones on the right they do the ones that are
left.
Boyd :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Half-doors on MkIII ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
Interesting idea about the "half-up"... I was thinking only about
"half-back" since that is how I operated on a RANS S-12XL that I owned
a few years ago. Wouldn't a "half-up" end up getting your head
blasted by the wind? My idea was to cut the doors back to about 4
inches in front of where my elbow normally rests. That would allow me
to lean back just a bit and my camera would be clear of the door.
Good to know, though, that you've flown it without any doors at all.
-- Robert
On 4/3/06, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
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> Are you referring to half up or half back?
> I was still flying my mkIII as of last fall with no doors.
> -aside from being a little chilly when the thermometer drops
> there were no adverse effects.
> I'm thinking about half (up) doors that I can put hingeing windows on.
> Then on a hot day I can fold them outboard and down the side.
> -BB
> do not archive
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> On 3, Apr 2006, at 11:33 AM, Robert Laird wrote:
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> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
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> > Does anyone fly with half-doors on their MkIII? I've got full doors
> > but am considering removing them and putting half-doors on, so I get
> > an unobscured view for photography purposes. But I'm wondering about
> > it's affect on, well, everything.
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> > -- Robert
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| Subject: | Instrument Markings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Kolbers,
I have an older MK III Classic and I'm in the process of marking my instruments
for an airworthiness inspection but I don't know what the max Flaps Extend
(Vfe) speed and the normal operating (Vsi to Vno) range (Green Band) should
be. Vsi is 42 for my plane. HELP!
Thanks,
AzDave
Do Not Archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Most saddened to hear of a nice Kolb being trashed by an errant wind
-- but unfortunately it can happen.
FWIW I was taught to visualize the apparent wind (on the ground)
pushing on the stick. If the wind is from the right rear, push the
stick to the left front, etc. This lowers the upwind aeliron and
both elevators, lessening the chance for a stray gust to lift wing or
tail.
It scares me to see pilots of light taildraggers strap the seatbelt
around the stick and walk off -- now the plane is as vulnerable as
possible to a blowover from a tailwind. The stick should be tied
FORWARD -- putting the elevators down. Tailwinds then would tend to
push the tail downward; strong headwinds would only lift the tail
temporarily. Of course, always a good idea to tie the wings too.
In any case, my sympathies; hope repairs go well.
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| Subject: | Half-doors on MkIII ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
Doesn't Bro Pike have half doors???
I believe that there was a gent with a Mark III on floats that did
what you are talking about, half back..
Do not archive
mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Laird
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Half-doors on MkIII ?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
Interesting idea about the "half-up"... I was thinking only about
"half-back" since that is how I operated on a RANS S-12XL that I owned
a few years ago. Wouldn't a "half-up" end up getting your head
blasted by the wind? My idea was to cut the doors back to about 4
inches in front of where my elbow normally rests. That would allow me
to lean back just a bit and my camera would be clear of the door.
Good to know, though, that you've flown it without any doors at all.
-- Robert
On 4/3/06, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> Are you referring to half up or half back?
> I was still flying my mkIII as of last fall with no doors.
> -aside from being a little chilly when the thermometer drops
> there were no adverse effects.
> I'm thinking about half (up) doors that I can put hingeing windows on.
> Then on a hot day I can fold them outboard and down the side.
> -BB
> do not archive
>
> On 3, Apr 2006, at 11:33 AM, Robert Laird wrote:
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> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
> >
> > Does anyone fly with half-doors on their MkIII? I've got full doors
> > but am considering removing them and putting half-doors on, so I get
> > an unobscured view for photography purposes. But I'm wondering about
> > it's affect on, well, everything.
> >
> > -- Robert
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| Subject: | Re: Half-doors on MkIII ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
I did have the half doors, and still put them back on in the summer when
it is warm. They work very well, great for photography. With no doors,
you get a lot of wind through the cockpit, sort of like flying in a
hurricane. With half doors, there is minimal wind, it is very pleasant.
It is the top picture on this page here:
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg2.htm
This picture also shows the first attempt at a shorty windshield which
stops just about even with the forehead, which lets more air flow to the
prop, and improves both the climb rate and allows reduced rpm's at
cruise speed. The only disadvantage to this arrangement is that it is
not optimal for cold air flying. My current arrangement lets me have my
cake and eat it too - better airflow and also fully enclosed when desired.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolbdriver wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
>
> Doesn't Bro Pike have half doors???
>
> I believe that there was a gent with a Mark III on floats that did
> what you are talking about, half back..
>
> Do not archive
> mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Laird
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:52 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Half-doors on MkIII ?
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
>
> Interesting idea about the "half-up"... I was thinking only about
> "half-back" since that is how I operated on a RANS S-12XL that I owned
> a few years ago. Wouldn't a "half-up" end up getting your head
> blasted by the wind? My idea was to cut the doors back to about 4
> inches in front of where my elbow normally rests. That would allow me
> to lean back just a bit and my camera would be clear of the door.
>
> Good to know, though, that you've flown it without any doors at all.
>
> -- Robert
>
>
> On 4/3/06, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
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>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
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>> Are you referring to half up or half back?
>> I was still flying my mkIII as of last fall with no doors.
>> -aside from being a little chilly when the thermometer drops
>> there were no adverse effects.
>> I'm thinking about half (up) doors that I can put hingeing windows on.
>> Then on a hot day I can fold them outboard and down the side.
>> -BB
>> do not archive
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>> On 3, Apr 2006, at 11:33 AM, Robert Laird wrote:
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| Subject: | No doors on xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
Anyone have experience on flying with no doors on the xtra? How is it? Did
you have the back lexan in?
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| Subject: | Re: No doors on xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 11:49 PM 4/3/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
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>Anyone have experience on flying with no doors on the xtra? How is it? Did
>you have the back lexan in?
Not Extra but No Doors
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/possums@mindspring.com.07.26.2002/thum.jpg
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