---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/08/06: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:45 AM - Re: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? (robert bean) 2. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: Sneaky Wind - Kolb Damage Report (Eugene Zimmerman) 3. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: Sneaky Wind - Kolb Damage Report (Richard Pike) 4. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: Sneaky Wind - Kolb Damage Report (Richard Pike) 5. 07:06 AM - reusing the H section in a rebuild (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 6. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: Sneaky Wind - Kolb Damage Report (Eugene Zimmerman) 7. 09:32 AM - Re: reusing the H section in a rebuild (Herb Gayheart) 8. 10:00 AM - Re: Dan Johnson...a repeat of mine! (Blumax008@aol.com) 9. 12:33 PM - Re: reusing the H section in a rebuild (ElleryWeld@AOL.COM) 10. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: Sneaky Wind - Kolb Damage Report (Richard Pike) 11. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? (Eugene Zimmerman) 12. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? (Robert Noyer) 13. 02:23 PM - Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? (Eugene Zimmerman) 14. 02:34 PM - Re: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? (Eugene Zimmerman) 15. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? (robert bean) 16. 03:40 PM - Interesting Aviation Web Site (Mike Schnabel) 17. 05:05 PM - Check out this video! (Bob Dalton) 18. 05:08 PM - Michigan Kolbers and other enthusiasts (kfackler) 19. 05:59 PM - Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? (planecrazzzy) 20. 06:05 PM - Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? (planecrazzzy) 21. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Sneaky Wind - Kolb Damage Report (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 22. 07:22 PM - Re: reusing the H section in a rebuild (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 23. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 24. 07:22 PM - Re: reusing the H section in a rebuild (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 25. 07:22 PM - Re: reusing the H section in a rebuild (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 26. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 27. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Sneaky Wind - Kolb Damage Report (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 28. 11:19 PM - Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? (Possum) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:11 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Bill, not a bad idea but here's another thought to add: buy double the amount of flanges to be used and cut them oversized to overlap the other piece by 1 1/2" or so. Put the overlap joint at the top and bottom to reduce the shear load on the rivet pattern.. -BB On 8, Apr 2006, at 1:00 AM, WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com > > Alan Mancus is rebuilding his wind damaged FireStar. He would like > to have > a seven rib wing. But previous discussions on the list pointed out > the > difficulty of moving the ribs (cannot slide because of burrs creating > scratches in > the main spar tube) and leaving empty holes, etc. > > What do you think of this idea? > > On the 5 rib wing, there is one lower false rib centered between each > full > rib and there are 3 upper false ribs divided between each full rib. > Remove > the center upper and centered lower false ribs. Get another set of > full ribs > and cut them in half, right through the center of the main spar > flange. With > the rib assembly now in two pieces, assemble them onto the wing spars > were > the false ribs were removed. Form a sheet metal piece, similar to > the flange > thickness, to splice the cut flanges back together. Fasten the new > ribs to > the spars (main, leading and trailing) the same way as the existing > ribs are. > > This would make the wing much stronger and able to tolerate a higher > Vne. > (five rib wings are redlined at 75 MPH). The penalty would be a > heavier > structure. > > Pass on your thoughts. > > Bill Varnes > Original Kolb FireStar > Audubon NJ > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:45 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sneaky Wind - Kolb Damage Report --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman On Apr 8, 2006, at 1:00 AM, WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com wrote: > The 'H' section is bent. Possibly can straighten it, but then would > have to weld all the rivet holes shut in order to install in new > boom tube. > Unless someone has an idea on how to match drill the existing holes. Bill, It is possible to match all the holes. Just drill all the rivets out and remove the H section. Then take a large piece of paper and wrap it around the tube snugly and tape it together securely to form a paper tube. Secure this paper tube with tape in place where the rivet holes are then carefully drill or punch the holes in the paper. Carefully remove this paper tube "pattern" from the old fuse tube by sliding it off the tube away from the bent and distorted end. Slide this pattern on to the new tube, making sure it is oriented exactly the same as on the old one. Center punch the holes and drill one hole each end of the line of holes. Use these holes to realign the H section in place in the new tube. Then drill and rivet the remaining holes. It is helpful to use paper that is large enough to extent 4 to 6 inches past the line of rivets to form a slight " bell end" into the paper pattern you want to slide on to the new tube. Gene ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:48 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sneaky Wind - Kolb Damage Report --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike For match drilling the holes, you might try this: Take just the section of boom where the old holes are at and cut if off from the rest of the boom tube. Now cut it in half vertically. Verify that all the holes line up with the straightened H section. Lay each half on either side of the new tube with an equal gap top and bottom between the two pieces. Make sure they lay snug and flush. Giant hose clamps would be good. Drill just the four end holes, slide the H section in and see if they line up enough to cleco the tube to the H section. If they do, proceed. If they don't, you are only out four holes, which would probably still work with a new H section. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com > > Alan Mancus, the owner of the Original Kolb FireStar that was turned over > onto it's back by the wind, while parked, has decided to rebuild it. Today we > did a complete survey of the damage. > > > BOOM TUBE: > Completely bent and twisted to the point of almost broken in two at the aft > end of the 'H' section, were the big bolt holds it to the cage. Will be > replaced. The 'H' section is bent. Possibly can straighten it, but then would > have to weld all the rivet holes shut in order to install in new boom tube. > Unless someone has an idea on how to match drill the existing holes. > > Bill Varnes > Original Kolb FireStar > Audubon NJ > Do Not Archive > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:40 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sneaky Wind - Kolb Damage Report --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Boy, I wish I'd read this before I posted my idea 5 minutes ago. I like yours better. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 1:00 AM, WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com wrote: > > >> The 'H' section is bent. Possibly can straighten it, but then would >> have to weld all the rivet holes shut in order to install in new >> boom tube. >> Unless someone has an idea on how to match drill the existing holes. >> > > Bill, > It is possible to match all the holes. Just drill all the rivets out > and remove the H section. > > Then take a large piece of paper and wrap it around the tube snugly > and tape it together securely to form a paper tube. Secure this > paper tube with tape in place where the rivet holes are then > carefully drill or punch the holes in the paper. > > Carefully remove this paper tube "pattern" from the old fuse tube by > sliding it off the tube away from the bent and distorted end. Slide > this pattern on to the new tube, making sure it is oriented exactly > the same as on the old one. Center punch the holes and drill one > hole each end of the line of holes. Use these holes to realign the H > section in place in the new tube. Then drill and rivet the remaining > holes. > > It is helpful to use paper that is large enough to extent 4 to 6 > inches past the line of rivets to form a slight " bell end" into > the paper pattern you want to slide on to the new tube. > > Gene > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:40 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: reusing the H section in a rebuild --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com Bill it is posible to reuse the H section as I did when replacing boom tube I cut both sides of the old tube for a template be carefull not to get them mixed up Right and left ,get your 3/8 holes in the tube so they match the cage slide your H section inside and run the bolt through the templates and new tube start drilling from the 3/8 hole outward in both directions installing clecos as you go I did it this way and hit every hole without a problem I hope this helps you out Ellery in Rebuilt Firestar do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:57 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sneaky Wind - Kolb Damage Report --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Hello Pastor Pike, Have you experienced damage from any of the storms that hit your state or ,,,,,,, "is the living God, is thy God, whom thou servest continually, able to deliver thee from the lions?" Gene On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > Boy, I wish I'd read this before I posted my idea 5 minutes ago. I > like > yours better. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: reusing the H section in a rebuild From: Herb Gayheart --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart Guys Tracing paper and the large bolt hole as a guide works also.. Done it two or three times.. Herb On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:04:25 EDT ElleryWeld@aol.com writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com > > Bill > it is posible to reuse the H section as I did when replacing boom > tube I cut > both sides of the old tube for a template be carefull not to get > them mixed > up Right and left ,get your 3/8 holes in the tube so they match the > cage > slide your H section inside and run the bolt through the templates > and new tube > start drilling from the 3/8 hole outward in both directions > installing clecos > as you go I did it this way and hit every hole without a problem I > hope this > helps you out > > Ellery in Rebuilt Firestar > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:42 AM PST US From: Blumax008@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dan Johnson...a repeat of mine! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Blumax008@aol.com Sounds like a repeat of what happened to me a month ago. I use my Firestar II for aerial photography. I did a run-up, no problems, taxied down to the end of the strip, while taxiing I adjusted my camera bag to the other side of the cockpit...right in front of the mag switches. I then applied takeoff power, noticed about 5300rpm instead of 6300rpm, thought "that's strange." Took off anyway, like Dan, made it out (slowly) of our 3,000 ft. strip. While enroute (slowly) to altitude, the thought clicked (finally) into my weak mind...."I wonder if that camera bag knocked one of the mag switches to Off?" Guess what? It did. Things can happen so easily. Guess what? I don't put my camera bag there anymore. Bill Catalina Florida ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:50 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: reusing the H section in a rebuild --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com you can use paper if you want but the old tube will help you from a slip with that drill in an expensive piece of tube, its your choice how much tube do you want to buy the old tube is easy to cut use a skill saw just cut it a couple inches wide and long enough so you can secure the ends with a couple of stainless steel hose clamps and you will have alot better jig that will prevent a slip of your drill Ellery do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:18 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sneaky Wind - Kolb Damage Report --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Since Hebrews 11:32-34 is still true, we did well. Thanks, Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman > > Hello Pastor Pike, > > Have you experienced damage from any of the storms that hit your > state or ,,,,,,, "is the living God, is thy God, whom thou servest > continually, able to deliver thee from the lions?" > > Gene > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:18 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Bill. It could be possible. I would want to keep the top and bottom tubes of the ribs all one piece. You may be interested in seeing how the Kolb rip off guys make their ribs. Check these wing details. http://n5.se/sK http://n5.se/sQ http://n5.se/sR Please understand I'm not recommending this, just showing you some ideas. Gene On Apr 8, 2006, at 1:00 AM, WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com wrote: > What do you think of this idea? > > On the 5 rib wing, there is one lower false rib centered between > each full > rib and there are 3 upper false ribs divided between each full > rib. Remove > the center upper and centered lower false ribs. Get another set > of full ribs > and cut them in half, right through the center of the main spar > flange. With > the rib assembly now in two pieces, assemble them onto the wing > spars were > the false ribs were removed. Form a sheet metal piece, similar to > the flange > thickness, to splice the cut flanges back together. Fasten the > new ribs to > the spars (main, leading and trailing) the same way as the > existing ribs are. > > This would make the wing much stronger and able to tolerate a > higher Vne. > (five rib wings are redlined at 75 MPH). The penalty would be a > heavier > structure. > > Pass on your thoughts. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:05 PM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer re: http://n5.se/sK etc. "Document Not Found" regards, Bob N. http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:05 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? From: "Eugene Zimmerman" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Eugene Zimmerman" Sorry about the dead links. I'll attach the actual photos. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=27054#27054 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fergie_wing292med_236.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fergie_wing292close2_987.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fergie_wing292close1_871.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fergie_wing192med_209.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:29 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Sorry Bob, I was trying to avoid using the "F" word but it didn't work as intended. Trust you can open the attachments. Gene On Apr 8, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Robert Noyer wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer > > re: http://n5.se/sK etc. "Document Not Found" > regards, > Bob N. > http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:27 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean That is a nice wing. The tip bow could use an anti-shrink support in the last half. No flanges! they don't worry much about twisting moment. -BB do not archive On 8, Apr 2006, at 5:33 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman > > > Sorry Bob, > > I was trying to avoid using the "F" word but it didn't work as > intended. > Trust you can open the attachments. > > Gene > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Robert Noyer wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer >> >> re: http://n5.se/sK etc. "Document Not Found" >> regards, >> Bob N. >> http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ >> >> do not archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:08 PM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Kolb-List: Interesting Aviation Web Site --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel Good afternoon Kolb'ers... Now I know this is marginally Kolb related (I did find a picture of a Firestar II among the links which by the way greatly resembled my own!). But I, and I hope at least a few others that are aviation enthusiasts will find this web site very interesting. I crossed it seeking some aviation videos. What I discovered was the most comprehensive collection of aviation videos I have found to date. Most all the videos I have seen to date are on this site, and then there are hundreds more I have not seen. I must admit I have wasted the entire day browsing here! http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_history.htm Hope you enjoy. (Be warned, I have broadband internet access, and the speeds were a tad on the slow side, so you dial up folks, might expect some wait times...) Waiting for the rains to subside... hoping to plant some grass soon! Mike S Firestar2 503 Manchester TN --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:08 PM PST US From: "Bob Dalton" Subject: Kolb-List: Check out this video! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Dalton" All, Not Kolb related but flying related. The tires look about J.H. size. Bob D. Manteca, CA C:\Documents and Settings\Bob\My Documents\My Videos\2006_Alaskan_Bush_Flying_Teaser.wmv ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:36 PM PST US From: "kfackler" Subject: Kolb-List: Michigan Kolbers and other enthusiasts --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" As long as we're posting websites, we're proud of this one: http://www.staliteaviation.com/gtuf/gtuf_menu.html Not a Kolb-only site, but plenty of Kolb pics there among others. No video. -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:12 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" OK, In the Kolb plans....Your NOT suppose to rivet on the "TOP" or the "BOTTOM" of the wing spar.....because it would weaken it.....where it does it's flexing..... you have rivets all over that area.....why ? Is that a Kolb wing ? .. .. .. . Gotta Fly... Mike in MN -------- I can only make One person HAPPY each day, Today's just NOT your day.... Tomorrow doesn't look good either ! .. .. .. .. .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=27076#27076 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:27 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" Oooops, I see it's a Fergie.....Still , a bad place for those rivets... -------- .. .. .. .. .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=27079#27079 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:42 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sneaky Wind - Kolb Damage Report --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com In a message dated 4/8/2006 9:00:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, richard@bcchapel.org writes: For match drilling the holes, you might try this: Take just the section of boom where the old holes are at and cut if off from the rest of the boom tube. Now cut it in half vertically. Verify that all the holes line up with the straightened H section. Lay each half on either side of the new tube with an equal gap top and bottom between the two pieces. Richard, Another good idea to try. Boy, one question got a lot of good responses. Thanks, Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:42 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: reusing the H section in a rebuild --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com In a message dated 4/8/2006 3:34:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ElleryWeld@aol.com writes: you can use paper if you want but the old tube will help you from a slip with that drill in an expensive piece of tube Ellery, Expensive is right, especially when you add shipping costs. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:42 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com In a message dated 4/8/2006 5:23:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, etzim62@earthlink.net writes: Sorry about the dead links. I'll attach the actual photos Thanks Gene, I see that they have the ribs attached by a bracket or gusset riveted to the very top of the main spar. This is one area that "Kolb" recommended no holes be drilled. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:43 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: reusing the H section in a rebuild --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com In a message dated 4/8/2006 12:33:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, herbgh@juno.com writes: Tracing paper and the large bolt hole as a guide works also.. Done it two or three times.. Herb, Thanks for the confirmation of procedure. But why have you already done it 2 or 3 times? Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:43 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: reusing the H section in a rebuild --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com In a message dated 4/8/2006 10:07:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ElleryWeld@aol.com writes: cut both sides of the old tube for a template be carefull not to get them mixed up Right and left ,get your 3/8 holes in the tube so they match the cage slide your H section inside and run the bolt through the templates and new tube start drilling from the 3/8 hole outward in both directions installing clecos as you go I did it this way and hit every hole without a problem Ellery, Thanks for another solution to match drill the holes. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:44 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com In a message dated 4/8/2006 7:45:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, slyck@frontiernet.net writes: buy double the amount of flanges to be used and cut them oversized to overlap the other piece by 1 1/2" or so. Put the overlap joint at the top and bottom to reduce the shear load on the rivet pattern OK BB, Another good idea to consider. Thanks, Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:44 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sneaky Wind - Kolb Damage Report --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com In a message dated 4/8/2006 9:00:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, etzim62@earthlink.net writes: It is possible to match all the holes. Just drill all the rivets out and remove the H section. Then take a large piece of paper and wrap it around the tube snugly and tape it together securely to form a paper tube. Secure this paper tube with tape in place where the rivet holes are then carefully drill or punch the holes in the paper. Gene, Thanks for that idea. The boom tube is bent somewhat in that area, so not sure if the paper would give an accurate location on the new straight tube. But its an idea to consider and try. Thanks, Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:42 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Converting Five Rib Wing To 10 Ribs? From: "Possum" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Possum" Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > Sorry about the dead links. > I'll attach the actual photos. Here are some better ones. :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=27104#27104 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fff_121.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/wwww_932.jpg