---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/21/06: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:43 AM - wing tip drag (Airgriff2@AOL.COM) 2. 03:56 AM - Re: wing tip drag (Jerry Deckard) 3. 04:41 AM - Re: Nerf Tires (Thom Riddle) 4. 05:13 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 04/20/06 (al bumhoffer) 5. 06:20 AM - Re: Re: Shorting the bow tips (Denny Rowe) 6. 07:17 AM - A Couple of Personal Milestones. (Jack B. Hart) 7. 07:28 AM - Re: Re: Shorting the bow tips (Richard Girard) 8. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Shorting the bow tips (robert bean) 9. 08:50 AM - Re: Re: Shorting the bow tips (George Bass) 10. 08:50 AM - Re: obit (George Bass) 11. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: Shorting the bow tips (snuffy@usol.com) 12. 11:37 AM - Re: Shorting the bow tips (George E. Thompson) 13. 01:45 PM - Re: A Couple of Personal Milestones. (planecrazzzy) 14. 01:51 PM - Re: Shorting the bow tips (Possum) 15. 02:28 PM - Re: Re: Shorting the bow tips, GEO? (Jerry Deckard) 16. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Shorting the bow tips, GEO? (Jeremy Casey) 17. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: Shorting the bow tips, GEO? (possums) 18. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Shorting the bow tips, GEO? (Jerry Deckard) 19. 04:58 PM - wing tips (robert bean) 20. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: A Couple of Personal Milestones. (Jack B. Hart) 21. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: obit (N27SB@aol.com) 22. 06:48 PM - Re: A Couple of Personal Milestones. (DAquaNut@aol.com) 23. 07:37 PM - Fun (ray anderson) 24. 08:19 PM - Re: Ultralight crash in Baldwin County Alabama/Florida (Flycrazy8@AOL.COM) 25. 08:32 PM - Re: wing tips (Larry Bourne) 26. 09:15 PM - Re: Fun (Steve Garvelink) 27. 09:40 PM - Re: Re: Fun (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:07 AM PST US From: Airgriff2@AOL.COM Subject: Kolb-List: wing tip drag --> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com Hi Jerry and gang, consider some research before redesigning Homers' wing. That wing tip that you mentioned as causing extra drag may also be hindering the high pressure from under the wing from comming up onto the low pressure on top of the wing, therefor distroying lift on the main wing area. Fly Safe Bob Griffin ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:11 AM PST US From: "Jerry Deckard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wing tip drag --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" I understand the reason it is there. I would think at cruise speeds the need would minimize. I was thinking Vortex generators on both top and bottom at the last rib may reduce this problem at lower speeds. I will probably leave to factory specs. One concern I had with doing this would be losing aileron area. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 5:39 AM Subject: Kolb-List: wing tip drag > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com > > Hi Jerry and gang, consider some research before redesigning Homers' > wing. That wing tip that you mentioned as causing extra drag may also be > hindering > the high pressure from under the wing from comming up onto the low > pressure > on top of the wing, therefor distroying lift on the main wing area. > > Fly Safe > Bob Griffin > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:31 AM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Nerf Tires --> Kolb-List message posted by: Thom Riddle If anyone here is interested in buying tires of this size for their Kolb, let me know. I have a set that I put on the Titan and they looked ridiculous so I took them off. They will look and perform much better on a Kolb. They have less than 10 take-offs and landings on them. Mine are like the ones shown at the following link. http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=1993/ index.html I'll let them go at 80% of list price plus shipping. Contact me off list at jtriddle@adelphia.net if interested. Thom in Buffalo ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:25 AM PST US From: al bumhoffer Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 04/20/06 --> Kolb-List message posted by: al bumhoffer Jerry, I shortened my wingtips by 7 inches on each wing in order to get the plane through a 28' door with a little clearance. I just pushed the tips in till the curve started and riveted all the bracing back in place. I saw Homer at Oshkosh and got his approval. Al Bumhoffer, Firestar II, Elkton MI Do Not Archive --- Kolb-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found > in either of the > two Web Links listed below. 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The .txt file includes the > plain ASCII version > of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a > generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list/Digest.Kolb-List.2006-04-20.html > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list/Digest.Kolb-List.2006-04-20.txt > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > > > Kolb-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Thu > 04/20/06: 5 > > > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 10:20 AM - Solution to bent aluminum gear > legs (Richard Girard) > 2. 07:19 PM - Shorting the bow tips (Jerry > Deckard) > 3. 07:46 PM - Re: Shorting the bow tips (Larry > Bourne) > 4. 08:07 PM - Nerf Tires (Richard Girard) > 5. 09:43 PM - Re: Shorting the bow tips (John > Jung) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:20:50 AM PST US > From: "Richard Girard" > Subject: Kolb-List: Solution to bent aluminum gear > legs > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Girard" > > > Even though I have gained proficiency in > straightening the main gear legs on > my Mark III and have the job down to less than 4 > hours to remove, straighten > and reinstall them, I'd like to avoid the experience > if I can. I have 6" > steel wheels on my Mk III and until a few days ago > they carried 15" X 6" X > 6" grooved lawn tires. Then I discovered that Spruce > carries an 18" X 6" X > 6" turf tire. Running tubes in them I can drop the > pressure to 8 psi. It's > like having Nerf tires. Five landings so far and > they're great. Now that I > don't worry so much about bending gear legs, my > landings have improved and > I'm rolling it on nicely. The Nerf tires also give a > nicer ride when > taxiing. As for cost, well,it's $140 no matter which > you choose. New Legs > $140. Press to straighten old bent legs $140. Nerf > tires $140. I did both > the latter, but I straightened the set 3 times, so > I'm actually up $140. > Maybe it's the right time to go to Vegas. > > -- > Rick Girard > "Pining for a home on the Range" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:19:40 PM PST US > From: "Jerry Deckard" > Subject: Kolb-List: Shorting the bow tips > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" > > > Has anyone shortened the bow tips on the wings of > Firestar? Seems to be a lot of > drag out there. Doing some measuring, 6" could be > done pretty easy. That would > be 12" less of nonlift producing drag gone. > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:46:13 PM PST US > From: "Larry Bourne" > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Shorting the bow tips > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > > Not sure about the FireStar, but a few years ago, > Ron Christensen built a > much modified Kolb that he called the Mk III 1/2. > It gave me several ideas > for Vamoose. There's a couple of pics of it on one > of my Vamoose webpages. > He originally tried just what you're asking, and > lost performance. Then he > built several variations of wingtips, including > drooped, out of fiberglass. > He did a beautiful job, but finally wound up with > stock wingtips, and said > they performed best. Lar. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Building Kolb Mk III > N78LB Vamoose > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Deckard" > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:16 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Shorting the bow tips > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" > > > > > Has anyone shortened the bow tips on the wings of > Firestar? Seems to be a > > lot of drag out there. Doing some measuring, 6" > could be done pretty easy. > > That would be 12" less of nonlift producing drag > gone. > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:59 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Shorting the bow tips --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Remember the tips are at an incline to the relitive wind, same as the rest of the wing, they are producing plenty of lift by deflecting air downward. Denny ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Jung" Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:41 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Shorting the bow tips > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" > > > mustangsally(at)semo.net wrote: >> Has anyone shortened the bow tips on the wings of Firestar? Seems to be a >> lot of drag out there. Doing some measuring, 6" could be done pretty >> easy. That would be 12" less of nonlift producing drag gone. >> Jerry > > > Jerry, > > I'm not so sure that the tips don't produce lift. My original Firestar had > stock tips and my Firestar II has shorter tips. I suspect that they do. If > I ever build new Kolb wings they will have stock tips. > > do not archive > > -------- > John Jung > Firestar II N6163J > Surprise, AZ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29801#29801 > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:55 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: A Couple of Personal Milestones. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" FireFlyers and Kolbers, Yesterday the FireFly passed the 200th hour in the air. The last ten flights have been used to dial a new needle and jet combination in and to record gph flow rates for various engine speeds. The engine is not running up to Simonini specs, which I believe are very optimistic. But it is running to the specs published by the North American supplier, Speedwing Aircraft. At 5,500 rpm the Victor 1+ will cruise at 2.25 gph and below 5,400 rpm it will cruise at 2.0 gph or less. The nice thing about this new jet and needle combination is that there are no hot spots across the rpm range. Looks like it is going to be another nice day for flying. Off to get another data point. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:43 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Shorting the bow tips --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Girard" As I have stated before, I'm not an engineer and this is worth exactly what you paid for it. All Kolb aircraft have a straight, rectangular planeform wing. For the purposes of lift distribution in high speed cruise, it is the worst planeform to use. For the purposes of lift distribution at stall it is the best. Discussing the Kolb wing tip as a lift producing device is, well, quite frankly, the back assward view. If we could look at the airflow over the wing starting at the root and working outboard we would see that somewhere around 75 to 80 per cent of the way to the tip the air begins to turn, drawn by the difference in pressure between the top and bottom of the wing, and run spanwise down the wing. This effect becomes more pronounced as the wing angle of attack increases. So it comes down to an inescapable conclusion. Wing tips don't produce lift, wing tips reduce loses due to spanwise flow. Now what is you want to do? Do you want to land slower and shorter? Take a look at the work done by the STOL speciality shops. To inhibit spanwise flow, they add wing fences and wingtips with a down ward curl along the trailing edge. The benefits are that you get to go slower AND maintain an unstalled flow over the ailerons so they remain effective at the lower airspeed. Do you want to go faster with very low induced drag in cruise? I hate to break it to you, but you bought the wrong airplane. The Kolb has a boatload of parasitic drag at all airspeeds and that is far more effective at inhibiting its cruise performance than anything going on at the wing tips. Even if you could clean up most of it, the Kolb would still be Vne limited. I have no trouble at all reaching red line airspeed in my Mk III while trying to maintain altitude in the grips of even a mild Kansas thermal. My suggestion would be this, concentrate on the areas that will get you the biggest bang for the buck. Streamline the lift struts, gear legs and control tubes. Make a good sealed gap cover. Seal the gaps around all the stabilizers and the gaps at the control hinge lines. These things can be done very cheaply, will get you immediate benefits, and most important, won't compromise the structure of the wing. You will, of course, do exactly as you please. On 4/20/06, John Jung wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" > > > mustangsally(at)semo.net wrote: > > Has anyone shortened the bow tips on the wings of Firestar? Seems to be > a lot of drag out there. Doing some measuring, 6" could be done pretty easy. > That would be 12" less of nonlift producing drag gone. > > Jerry > > > Jerry, > > I'm not so sure that the tips don't produce lift. My original Firestar had > stock tips and my Firestar II has shorter tips. I suspect that they do. If I > ever build new Kolb wings they will have stock tips. > > do not archive > > -------- > John Jung > Firestar II N6163J > Surprise, AZ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D29801#29801 > > -- Rick Girard "Pining for a home on the Range" ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:15 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Shorting the bow tips --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean > Do you want to go faster with very low induced drag in cruise? I hate > to > break it to you, but you bought the wrong airplane. funny > Guess I knew that when I first saw a Kolb. 58 hp/65 mph , 90 hp/85 mph + a lot more petrol. But then I'm a slow guy, happy with a slow plane. Buy a Sonex if you want a fast, simple airplane. I like feeling like I'm riding around the sky on a barcalounger instead of in a sardine can. -BB, MkIII, REALLY inefficient wingtips. > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:59 AM PST US From: "George Bass" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Shorting the bow tips --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" My apologies to the group. I failed to add the authors name to my last post. It was Richard R. Ryburn George ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:59 AM PST US From: "George Bass" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: obit --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" I hope you all don't mind, but, I felt this was an important message to pass on to the group. It is taken from another forum, but, applies to all who have enjoyed even a moment, in the air. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Another aviation legend goes west... this from the Cessna Pilots Association e-letter, 4/20/06... just in case you haven't heard. Legendary X-15 Pilot and CPA Member Scott Crossfield killed in Cessna 210 crash in Georgia. Wednesday, April 19th, 2006, Scott Crossfield, age 84, left Prattville, Alabama about 9AM in his 1961 Cessna 210A. He was alone & headed home to Manassas, Virginia. A little before noon radar & radio contact with Scott was lost about 50 miles northwest of Atlanta. There were Thunder- storms in the area at the time. There's also an unconfirmed report that there were engine problems. The wreckage of the aircraft with Scott's body on board, was found by searchers about 1PM EST today near Ranger, Georgia. Scott was the first of the "Engineering Test Pilots." An aeronautical engineer by education, he took test flying from the seat of the pants days to that of an exacting science. His accomplishments are many, including: - First to fly at Mach 2 - First to fly the X-15 - Set speed & altitude records (later exceeded) of Mach 2.97, & 81,000 feet, in the X-15. - First to fly at Mach 3 When I was a teenager I read a book, "Always Another Dawn", that Scott had written about his experiences on the Douglas Skyrocket & the North American X-15 programs. That book was one of the influences that steered me to a career in aviation. And when ever I started thinking that I was a pretty good pilot, I would remember the film of Scott landing the X-15, with a control problem. The air- craft is bucking like a bronco, clearly not in full control. Scott is timing the dips, so the aircraft can contact the lake bed, at the bottom of one of the dips, before it runs out of airspeed & stalls. He might have been the only pilot in the world that could have pulled of that feat, but he did. Clearly, a pilot with skills beyond that of all but the very best. About 20 years ago a gentleman with a broad brimmed hat comes in to the Cessna Pilots Association tent at Oshkosh and says he would like to talk with "John Frank" about his 210A. He introduces himself to me & I am dumbstruck & speechless. Here was the man I had admired all these many years & he was asking me questions!!! We had a very nice visit that lead to a close friendship these past two decades. I found Scott to be a very warm person, who was totally unassuming about his accomplishments. When the news came to me this morning that Scott had been killed in a plane crash, I found it almost impossible to believe. My hero, my mentor, my friend, gone. And as I close this obituary with a safety tag line I have used frequently, there are tears streaming from my eyes. More than ever- LETS ALL OF US BE CAREFUL UP THERE. PLEASE ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:35 AM PST US From: snuffy@usol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Shorting the bow tips --> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com I remember a Kolb Mark3 at Oskosh that had lengthened the wings to slow it even more so they could do hang glider tows. Now that was neato. I'd like to see leading edge slats on one also, slow it down to about a 15 mph flight. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:30 AM PST US From: "George E. Thompson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Shorting the bow tips --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" Been there, done that, on my Firestar II. I would not recommend it. I thought that I would gain some speed but I could not see that it did that but slowed the take off a bit ( Not that that hurt anything). I shortened the bow about 8 inches on each side. In my opinion, you will not gain anything worthwhile. Az Bald Eagle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Deckard" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Shorting the bow tips > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" > > Has anyone shortened the bow tips on the wings of Firestar? Seems to be a > lot of drag out there. Doing some measuring, 6" could be done pretty easy. > That would be 12" less of nonlift producing drag gone. > Jerry > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:39 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: A Couple of Personal Milestones. From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" Way ta go Jack, Glad to see your getting that Victor "Dialed in" Gotta Fly... .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29930#29930 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:15 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Shorting the bow tips From: "Possum" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Possum" mustangsally(at)semo.net wrote: > Has anyone shortened the bow tips on the wings of Firestar? Seems to be a lot of drag out there. Doing some measuring, 6" could be done pretty easy. That would be 12" less of nonlift producing drag gone. > Jerry I did - to 26'9" - I'll send some pictures. I think it works fine. I have standard Kolb Ribs (built on a wooden jig - the old fashion way) - different wing bow ...a few other things different but not with the wings though - execpt VGs. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29933#29933 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_im002601_154.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_wingbow_side_153.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/3_drawing_2_587.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_wing_back_222.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_wing_tip_102.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:07 PM PST US From: "Jerry Deckard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Shorting the bow tips, GEO? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" Thanks, Is that a GEO sitting on there? If so how do you like it? Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum" Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Shorting the bow tips > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Possum" > > > mustangsally(at)semo.net wrote: >> Has anyone shortened the bow tips on the wings of Firestar? Seems to be a >> lot of drag out there. Doing some measuring, 6" could be done pretty >> easy. That would be 12" less of nonlift producing drag gone. >> Jerry > > > I did - to 26'9" - I'll send some pictures. I think it works fine. I have > standard Kolb Ribs (built on a wooden jig - the old fashion way) - > different wing bow ...a few other things different but not with the wings > though - execpt VGs. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29933#29933 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_im002601_154.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_wingbow_side_153.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/3_drawing_2_587.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_wing_back_222.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_wing_tip_102.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:44 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Shorting the bow tips, GEO? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" Looks like a good 'ol 503 to me... Jeremy Thanks, Is that a GEO sitting on there? If so how do you like it? Jerry ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:22 PM PST US From: possums Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Shorting the bow tips, GEO? --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums At 05:52 PM 4/21/2006, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" > >Looks like a good 'ol 503 to me... > >Jeremy Yeah...... just a good "Old" 503. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:48 PM PST US From: "Jerry Deckard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Shorting the bow tips, GEO? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" Need to either get a new monitor or glasses. It's not very clear to me. Thanks Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Casey" Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Shorting the bow tips, GEO? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" > > Looks like a good 'ol 503 to me... > > Jeremy > > > > Thanks, > Is that a GEO sitting on there? If so how do you like it? > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:01 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: wing tips --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean That is the finest kolb tip I've seen so far. > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_wing_tip_102.jpg Must have been tricky to shrink. Busy day of moving vehicles today. When you live in the north country and don't have a lot of storage space it means shuttling contraptions to and fro that haint run in 6 months. -jumpering the dead ignition on the old Massey. Took a gallon of Molson's but I did it. The Kolb is back up at the runway, at the mercy of the rodents, bees, wasps, coons walking all over it. Now to get my good brother to help spread the wings. -BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:00 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: A Couple of Personal Milestones. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" At 01:43 PM 4/21/06 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" > >Way ta go Jack, Glad to see your getting that Victor "Dialed in" > >Gotta Fly... Living just two miles from the airport really helps. Flew today for a little over a half hour at 5,400 rpm, 52 mph gps, with an average fuel burn of 1.91 gph. It actually is doing a little better than this, as the fuel is measured in the hangar. So fuel used to taxi out, warm up, take off and taxi back in is included in the total, while the time is kept from lift off to touch down. It is great to be able to fly without gloves and LLBean. I still wear a neck sock, vest and a heavy zipper sweat shirt. It is fun to be up with the hawks. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:51 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: obit --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com I agree, I was very annoyed by Chuck Yeager's comments. What a Jerk. Steve B ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:45 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: A Couple of Personal Milestones. --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com In a message dated 4/21/2006 9:18:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, jbhart@onlyinternet.net writes: FireFlyers and Kolbers, Yesterday the FireFly passed the 200th hour in the air. Jack, Better keep an eye on me, I now have a little over 10 hours on my Firefly. Seriously, Congratulations, And many thanks for the help you have been with your documentation on all of your ideas and replies to questions in the past. I have used some of Your ideas and they have been a great help! Ed Diebel Do Not Archieve ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:18 PM PST US From: ray anderson Subject: Kolb-List: Fun --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson All of we Kolbers either still play with our R.C. planes or have in the past. THIS IS A MUST SEE!! Be patient as it shows on big screen, so takes a while to load with its buffering. You will be inspired to build a Mark111 with Radio Control -------- and then spend the next 20 years trying to duplicate this. Do not archive Ray UltraStar, TN http://airtoimedia.nl/web/upload/JurgenHeilig/F3P-AM_Benoit.wmv --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:53 PM PST US From: Flycrazy8@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultralight crash in Baldwin County Alabama/Florida --> Kolb-List message posted by: Flycrazy8@aol.com Anyone know any details about the 2- place Ultralite crash close to Pensacola, Florida ?.... Stephen Firefly Pansey, Alabama Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:47 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wing tips --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Harrr..........that Molson's in the mechanic (on the ground) is as good as MMO in the engine. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bean" Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 4:55 PM Subject: Kolb-List: wing tips > --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean > > That is the finest kolb tip I've seen so far. > >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_wing_tip_102.jpg > > Must have been tricky to shrink. > > Busy day of moving vehicles today. When you live in the north > country and don't have a lot of storage space it means shuttling > contraptions to and fro that haint run in 6 months. > -jumpering the dead ignition on the old Massey. > Took a gallon of Molson's but I did it. The Kolb is back up at > the runway, at the mercy of the rodents, bees, wasps, coons > walking all over it. > Now to get my good brother to help spread the wings. > -BB do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:59 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fun From: "Steve Garvelink" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" Ray, I have been flying rc since the late 1970tys dropped out for about 10 years and saw a flying wing on ebay with an electric motor. bought it and have been flying it with the new brushless motors. I do not think I could come close to this kind of 3d flying. I have thought of buying a nice 3d ship because they have become quite reasonable. check out the following link. http://www.hobbyzone.com/rc_planes_parkzone_typhoon.htm This comes with a brushless motor and the radio. It is made of epp foam and quite well constructed. I still dont know if I have enought fingers to do all the manuvers. Well back to Kolb related stuff do not archive, Steve Garvelink Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29992#29992 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:09 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fun --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike I have been in RC for about 2 years now, but not the sort of precision on that video. Have gotten into using fan fold foam, and duplicating WW2 fighters and early/modern jets by using 3 views and a print program that blows them up to full kit size. Then you lay the plans over the foam, and start cutting - Currently flying an F7U1 Cutlass, a Sukhoi SU27, an F14, and a Curtiss Helldiver. Had a great 38" span Kolb Firestar with a brushless motor until a kid from church stuck in in the top of a tree. Scratch building is what I really like, normally go from a 3 view to ready to fly in 8 hours or less. Have been thinking about a web page with some ideas on it... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Steve Garvelink wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" > > Ray, > > I have been flying rc since the late 1970tys dropped out for about 10 years and saw a flying wing on ebay with an electric motor. bought it and have been flying it with the new brushless motors. I do not think I could come close to this kind of 3d flying. I have thought of buying a nice 3d ship because they have become quite reasonable. check out the following link. > > http://www.hobbyzone.com/rc_planes_parkzone_typhoon.htm > > > This comes with a brushless motor and the radio. It is made of epp foam and quite well constructed. I still dont know if I have enought fingers to do all the manuvers. Well back to Kolb related stuff > > do not archive, > > > Steve Garvelink > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29992#29992 > > > > > > > >