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1. 03:48 AM - Re: Ultralight crash in Baldwin County Alabama/Florida (Mike Schnabel)
2. 04:02 AM - Re: Ultralight crash in Baldwin County Alabama/Florida (Mike Schnabel)
3. 04:12 AM - Re: Ultralight crash in Baldwin County Alabama/Florida (Mike Schnabel)
4. 04:50 AM - Re: Shorting the bow tips (Thom Riddle)
5. 04:50 AM - Re: Ultralight crash in Baldwin County Alabama/Florida (Robert Schieck)
6. 05:55 AM - Re: Shorting the bow tips, GEO? (planecrazzzy)
7. 06:12 AM - Bow tips (Jerry Deckard)
8. 09:23 AM - Re: Bow tips (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
9. 03:59 PM - Heel Brake Modification (planecrazzzy)
10. 05:23 PM - Re: Heel Brake Modification (Possum)
11. 06:25 PM - Re: Heel Brake Modification (planecrazzzy)
12. 06:56 PM - Re: Fun (planecrazzzy)
13. 07:33 PM - Dangerous or just scary (planecrazzzy)
14. 07:51 PM - Re: Ultralight crash in Baldwin County Alabama/Florida (cspoke)
15. 08:19 PM - Re: Dangerous or just scary (Richard Pike)
16. 11:05 PM - Re: Dangerous or just scary (Richard Girard)
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| Subject: | Re: Ultralight crash in Baldwin County Alabama/Florida |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
Here is some info from but not much. Not sure what type aircraft was involved.
LILLIAN, Ala. (AP) One man was killed and another injured Wednesday morning
in the crash of a small ultralight plane in a rural area of Baldwin County near
the Alabama-Florida line.
Baldwin County Sheriff's Department spokesman John Murphy said the aircraft with
two men aboard crashed about 9:15 a.m. near an airstrip off Shields Road in
the Lillian community.
The pilot, Scott Hanft of Lillian, died in the crash. Friends said he turned
50 years old Wednesday. The plane owner, Charles Bingle, was badly injured in
the crash and airlifted to a nearby hospital.
or click link...
http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-21/114548605986960.xml&storylist=alabamanews
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Mike S
Manchester TN
Firestar2 503
Flycrazy8@aol.com wrote:
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Anyone know any details about the 2- place Ultralite crash close to
Pensacola, Florida ?....
Stephen
Firefly
Pansey, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Ultralight crash in Baldwin County Alabama/Florida |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
One more news link, still no aircraft make identified...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12391356/
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Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel
Here is some info from but not much. Not sure what type aircraft was involved.
LILLIAN, Ala. (AP) One man was killed and another injured Wednesday morning in
the crash of a small ultralight plane in a rural area of Baldwin County near the
Alabama-Florida line.
Baldwin County Sheriff's Department spokesman John Murphy said the aircraft with
two men aboard crashed about 9:15 a.m. near an airstrip off Shields Road in
the Lillian community.
The pilot, Scott Hanft of Lillian, died in the crash. Friends said he turned 50
years old Wednesday. The plane owner, Charles Bingle, was badly injured in the
crash and airlifted to a nearby hospital.
or click link...
http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-21/114548605986960.xml&storylist=alabamanews
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Mike S
Manchester TN
Firestar2 503
Flycrazy8@aol.com wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Flycrazy8@aol.com
Anyone know any details about the 2- place Ultralite crash close to
Pensacola, Florida ?....
Stephen
Firefly
Pansey, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Ultralight crash in Baldwin County Alabama/Florida |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com>
Looks like it was a Chinook 2 seater ...
Last link..
http://www.al.com/news/mobileregister/index.ssf?/base/news/1145610964277920.xml&coll=3
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Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel
Here is some info from but not much. Not sure what type aircraft was involved.
LILLIAN, Ala. (AP) One man was killed and another injured Wednesday morning in
the crash of a small ultralight plane in a rural area of Baldwin County near the
Alabama-Florida line.
Baldwin County Sheriff's Department spokesman John Murphy said the aircraft with
two men aboard crashed about 9:15 a.m. near an airstrip off Shields Road in
the Lillian community.
The pilot, Scott Hanft of Lillian, died in the crash. Friends said he turned 50
years old Wednesday. The plane owner, Charles Bingle, was badly injured in the
crash and airlifted to a nearby hospital.
or click link...
http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-21/114548605986960.xml&storylist=alabamanews
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Mike S
Manchester TN
Firestar2 503
Flycrazy8@aol.com wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Flycrazy8@aol.com
Anyone know any details about the 2- place Ultralite crash close to
Pensacola, Florida ?....
Stephen
Firefly
Pansey, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Shorting the bow tips |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Thom Riddle <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
If that Hoerner Style wing tip does to a Kolb what they do for a
Cherokee, the results must be wonderful. Of course the original shape
of the Hershey bar wing tip on the Cherokee is not as good as the
original Kolb wing tip.
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: Ultralight crash in Baldwin County Alabama/Florida |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Schieck <rschieck@mers.com>
http://www.al.com/news/mobileregister/index.ssf?/base/news/114552456834440.xml&coll=3
Rob
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> Time: 08:19:53 PM PST US
> From: Flycrazy8@AOL.COM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultralight crash in Baldwin County Alabama/Florida
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> Anyone know any details about the 2- place Ultralite crash close to
> Pensacola, Florida ?....
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> Stephen
> Firefly
> Pansey, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Shorting the bow tips, GEO? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
I think (Robert) Bob Bean is the one with a GEO on his plane...
It's a Mark III
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally@semo.net>
Thanks to everyone. I have decided to leave my tips stock. I have built a Challenger
before and I picked this kit up that was partially completed. New to Kolb's
and wish to thank everyone for their input.
Jerry Deckard
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gherkins Tim-rp3420" <rp3420@freescale.com>
Kolbers/Jerry,
Sorry for my late opinion on wing tips, but something to think about and
maybe someone will glean some info from this. Im sure you are thinking
about aerodynamics of shortening wing tips but when I was building my
firestar II I knew the length of the standard fuselage would fit in my
garage. But with the wings folded the firestar would not fit. I had to
reduce the wingtips by 5 inches each side for a total of 10". This
brought the folded wings right to the end of the rudder, plus don't
forget to accommodate an inch or so for the counter balance tube that
sticks out of the aileron, or wingtip strobes. Now, with my firestar
tucked away in my garage, the nose barely misses the closing garage door
by less then an inch.
Just a note, when I had to cut the wing tips down, a then visiting
renowned Will Uribe(firestar owner/builder) advised me to take off as
little as possible, for I will need all the lift when loaded down and in
the middle of summer heat(density altitude).
This reminds me of a story about one of my favorites-Ben Ransom. He was
building his firestar kxp and shortened his tail boom tube to make his
firestar fit in the garage/trailer. He didn't think about the folding
wings at the time. When he first mounted his newly finished wings and
folded them, that is where he realized that shortning the boom tube was
for not. I'm glad he shared that experience with all of us at the time,
it made me think...
Feel free to visit our website, I have pictures of the shortened
wingtips there.
Tim Gherkins
Firestar II
www.milows.com
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Deckard
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:12 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Bow tips
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally@semo.net>
Thanks to everyone. I have decided to leave my tips stock. I have built
a Challenger before and I picked this kit up that was partially
completed. New to Kolb's and wish to thank everyone for their input.
Jerry Deckard
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| Subject: | Heel Brake Modification |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Guys,
Just thought I'd post a few pictures of the angles that I put on
my Heel Brake pedals.....They were too "low" and too far forward....
and I changed their "angle" a little too.....
These "aren't" Stock pedals , but if yours feel awkward, this might work
for you too....
These feel mo Beta now...
Oh,... worth what you paid fer it...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Heel Brake Modification |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Possum" <possums@mindspring.com>
planecrazzzy wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> Just thought I'd post a few pictures of the angles that I put
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> my Heel Brake pedals.....They were too "low" and too far forward....
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Looks Good.
I found some "push/pull" cables that were accidently the right
length. They take a lot of slop out of the Brakes. Most brakes don't have
much room between being to loose and dragging/rubbing anyway.
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| Subject: | Re: Heel Brake Modification |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
.[/quote]
Most brakes don't have
much room between being to loose and dragging/rubbing anyway.[/quote]
Hi Possum,
It also looks like yours is "higher" than mine....Mine were
so low I was scraping the bottom pan pretty bad....
Yes, the brakes have a "Short Range" ...I already had to shorten my adjusters
a little....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Here's a picture of one of my R/C planes...
Doesn't that paint job look FAMILIAR....He he he...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Dangerous or just scary |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
I noticed something in these pictures that "I" consider to be dangerous
I don't know if it would pass an airworthiness inspection either....
Quiz Time.....What do "YOU" see...
http://www.milows.com/FireStar/TailSection/TailSection.htm
"I" think he should be warned about it....Just in case he doesn't go the
airworthiness route...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN / N381PM
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| Subject: | Re: Ultralight crash in Baldwin County Alabama/Florida |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "cspoke" <cspoke@gulftel.com>
It was a Chinook two seat. It had been rebuild and test flown about two weeks prior
to the accident. It is suspected that there was some type of engine failure
or power loss.
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| Subject: | Re: Dangerous or just scary |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
I would like to see the nicopress sleeves doubled up. On every wire
pictured. Nicos are cheap for the benefit that redundancy provides.
Maybe the factories have enough quality control that they can get by
with just one... we are amateurs, nicos are cheap, and redundancy is a
good thing.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
planecrazzzy wrote:
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> I noticed something in these pictures that "I" consider to be dangerous
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> Mike in MN / N381PM
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| Subject: | Re: Dangerous or just scary |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
My guess is you're looking at those single nico press sleeves on the
horizontal stablizer landing wires as well as the control cables to the
rudder.
It's an OWT that two nicos are needed on a cable. I suppose it got its start
with DIck Eipper or one of his contemporaries who first started selling kit
hang gliders. I know it was in the plans for the Seagull III I built in '73
/ '74. At least Mike admitted that the second nico was only there to contain
the cable end so you wouldn't snag the sail or yourself. In actual fact the
cable should be left sticking out the end of the sleeve 1/4" and a single
sleeve, swaged per spec's and checked with the gauge that came with the
swaging tool is all that is required to make a cable termination that will
hold past the breaking point of the cable. Wills Wing always used a thick
heat shrink tube over the sleeve and raw cable end to protect sails and
fingers. It was clear enough that you could inspect the sleeve and check the
cable end for any slippage after that last wing over.
One sure way to make a wire termination that can fail before the breaking
point of the wire is to put a bubble, the two cables do not lie flat along
side each other between the nico sleeves, in the termination between the two
nicos. I've made a few bubbled cable terminations over the years, all it
takes is to put a slight twisting moment into bringing the handles together
while swaging. I cut up every one of them and made new cables. I would
advise anyone who asked to do the same.
On 4/22/06, planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I noticed something in these pictures that "I" consider to be dangerous
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> I don't know if it would pass an airworthiness inspection either....
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> Quiz Time.....What do "YOU" see...
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> http://www.milows.com/FireStar/TailSection/TailSection.htm
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> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN / N381PM
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Rick Girard
"Pining for a home on the Range"
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