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1. 05:19 AM - Re: Dangerous or just scary, sorry Richard (Craig Nelson)
2. 06:06 AM - Re: Dangerous or just scary (Larry Bourne)
3. 06:13 AM - Re: Throttle Cables (Richard Pike)
4. 06:58 AM - Re: Dangerous or just scary (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
5. 07:27 AM - nico press swage tool (Charles Blackwell)
6. 07:27 AM - Re: Dangerous or just scary (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
7. 09:41 AM - Cable slap (MKIIIX040)
8. 10:08 AM - A Dog Show (Derek Lawrence)
9. 10:42 AM - Re: Cable slap (John Hauck)
10. 12:14 PM - Re: Cable slap (Vic Peters)
11. 01:01 PM - Re: Cable slap (Herb Gayheart)
12. 01:04 PM - Re: Dangerous or just scary (planecrazzzy)
13. 01:21 PM - Re: Cable slap (J.D. Stewart)
14. 01:52 PM - Re: Cable slap (Kirk Smith)
15. 01:56 PM - Re: Re: Dangerous or just scary (Jeremy Casey)
16. 02:10 PM - Re: Dangerous or just scary (planecrazzzy)
17. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: Dangerous or just scary (robert bean)
18. 02:59 PM - Re: Re: Dangerous or just scary (David Key)
19. 03:09 PM - Mike (planecrazzzy@yahoo.com) (Chris Mallory)
20. 03:24 PM - Re: Mike (planecrazzzy@yahoo.com) (Dallas Shepherd)
21. 03:54 PM - Re: Throttle Cables (Robert Noyer)
22. 04:27 PM - Re: Dangerous or just scary (DAquaNut@aol.com)
23. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: Dangerous or just scary (Beauford)
24. 04:47 PM - Re: Dangerous or just scary (Richard Pike)
25. 05:41 PM - Re: Re: Dangerous or just scary (Denny Rowe)
26. 07:02 PM - Well..... (Jim Baker)
27. 07:14 PM - Well, redux...... (Jim Baker)
28. 07:19 PM - Re: Dangerous or just scary (Ralph)
29. 08:17 PM - Re: Dangerous or just scary (DAquaNut@aol.com)
30. 08:35 PM - Re: Mike (planecrazzzy@yahoo.com) (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Dangerous or just scary, sorry Richard |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Craig Nelson" <vitalfx0@qwest.net>
Tim had told me of 150 pound failure. I saw your post after I sent my message.
Sorry!!!! 180 lbs.!!!!!!!! It just goes to show you even a tool from a manufacture
can be out of adjustment
`I don't care if you can't afford the proper tools and borrow them, don't take
for granted, that no matter where you get the tool, whether it be Boeing, Grumman
or who ever, even when you buy a new tool, if it involves a calibration to
make a cretin task to a specification and there is a specified performance,
then check to see if the tool is working correctly. Hang your body from a swaged
cable? What kind of test is that? was that a flying wire? Is this how you
tested your gap sill? The parasol airplane I mentioned in my post yesterday had
5 boxed .028 4130 tubing sections in the rear of the airframe each of the 4
boxed sides were Xed with 1/16 7x7 stainless cable. breaking strength of the
cable is 480 lbs, there was no tool available to squeeze the sedges so close
to the corner of the box, so I had to fabricate my own tool as I did not use any
turnbuckles to tension each cable in the box. I made a tool to squeeze to the
proper size and then did a stress test on the cable. the cable broke well past
the 480 pound specification and the single nicco's at each end of the cable
still in tact.
ultralight people assume that an ultralight sets the standard for anything that
fly's. Bubble gum bailing wire and hose clamps. again sorry for the 150 lbs I
stand corrected. And also sorry about where you get your tools from and how you
assume they are correct for the job as a result of where you get them, then
have that affect your opinion rather than look for sound engendering information.
Why I bought my Kolb in the first place( besides Milow) was the fact that it wasn't
just an ultralight it was made like a plane. a small light aircraft. after
all,,,, that is what building your own airplane is all about Learning and Having
fun. Not brow beaten with stupid opinions..... when I first got my plane
and started posting, I looked forward to sharing information and looking at
what others were doing with their plane. now I just want to build in peace and
not have every nut and bolt scrutinized,,,,,,,,, Maybe even fly?
Craig Nelson
MKIIIEX 912 uls
warp drive
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| Subject: | Re: Dangerous or just scary |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Pretty harsh, Craig. You seemed like a fair and decent person when I met
you at Monument Valley. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Nelson" <vitalfx0@qwest.net>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dangerous or just scary
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Craig Nelson" <vitalfx0@qwest.net>
>
> Yes the other milow has only one nicco. It is because of me milow has
> only one nicco on his plane. again if you look at general aircraft there
> is not one example where I have seen two nicco's I have not seen two
> nicco's on any commercial aircraft and I have not seen two nicco's on any
> helicopters. if the press is calibrated one nicco is as strong as the
> cable and Old poops I don't know what you are using to swedge your nicco's
> to have a cable fail with only 150 lbs
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Cables |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
I make all my own cables. Here is a way to positively prevent the cable
ends coming off.
The attachments show typical CPS cable ends, and then show it slid over
a cable.
Note that they have a beveled and an unbeveled end.
The beveled end is to make it easier to slip it over the cable, but you
don't care about that, you are going to use the bevel for the opposite
reason - to make it impossible to get the cable to come out of the
swedge end, so you slip it on the cable backwards.
You want the swedge with the beveled end towards the end of the cable.
Slide the swedge over the cable
Rat tail the end of the cable. Screw it up good. You want a cable that
is too buggered up to fit back out through the swedge anymore.
The goal is to make it impossible to pull back out.
Now pull it down into the swedge until it you have 1/16" to 3/32"
sticking out.
Lay some solder on it, do it right, let it cool.
You especially want the solder to fill all the rat tailed ends of the
cable, and be well attached.
Now you have a cable that is expanded just past the bevel, it is too big
to go through any more, plus the solder filling the end makes it too big
to go through, plus the adhesion of the solder to the swedge.
Test it. Pull it through if you can. If your solder job is any good at
all, you can't.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Dangerous or just scary |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gherkins Tim-rp3420" <rp3420@freescale.com>
Larry and gang,
Your right! That was pretty harsh???? I think uncle Craig was having a
bad day? Please ignore his rant, I will apologize for his post.
Tim Gherkins
Firestar II
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bourne
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dangerous or just scary
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Pretty harsh, Craig. You seemed like a fair and decent person when I
met
you at Monument Valley. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Nelson" <vitalfx0@qwest.net>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dangerous or just scary
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Craig Nelson" <vitalfx0@qwest.net>
>
> Yes the other milow has only one nicco. It is because of me milow has
> only one nicco on his plane. again if you look at general aircraft
there
> is not one example where I have seen two nicco's I have not seen two
> nicco's on any commercial aircraft and I have not seen two nicco's on
any
> helicopters. if the press is calibrated one nicco is as strong as the
> cable and Old poops I don't know what you are using to swedge your
nicco's
> to have a cable fail with only 150 lbs
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| Subject: | nico press swage tool |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charles Blackwell <wozani@optonline.net>
Here is the link to the simple screw together Swageit tool at aircraft
spruce:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/swageit.php
It's the one I used for repairs and replacements. Also here is the go-no go
gauge to check them with.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/gonogo.php
Less than $60 for the whole set up.
Charlie, MkII in NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Dangerous or just scary |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
We need to move on to new things but...
In a previous post I talked about some backyard engineers changing things to
make something stronger but in fact creating weakness. I checked out a
MKIIIc last summer were the builder had changed the control wires for the
elevator from stock to what looked like 1/4 - 5/16 galvanized steel cables.
I don't remember if any of the fittings on this control system were beefed
up, I don't think so. My comment at the time was wow you must get some major
cable slap.
Now that I think more about this, I feel that this is a good example of us
backyard engineers trying to make something stronger but actually making it
weaker. The stock cables are plenty strong. Seems like someone stated that
they are rated at 480lbs. By increasing the size of the cables they fixed
some thing that wasn't broken. By increasing the size of the cables they
added weight. More importantly this weight has to be carried by pulling the
cables with considerably more force than is necessary to keep the lighter
cables suspended in the fuselage tube. When they taxi on rough ground the
stress on the control system goes up big time. The control system is only as
strong as its weakest link and the cables were likely never the weakest link
(but I'm not a structural engineer). My point is this added stress could
cause a critical control system failure just by having to carry the added
stretched cable weight.
My personal rule is don't change the structural design of your airplane
unless you KNOW you are making a overall improvement. Even then it is a good
idea to check with the designer or someone else that DOES KNOW about these
things.
Be careful out there.
Again this advice is worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "MKIIIX040" <vicsvinyl@verizon.net>
Speaking of cable noise. Has anyone ever figured out a good way to stop that sound
that reminds me more of a sailboat mast than an aircraft.
Vic
MKIIIX
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Cc: "DEREK" <stapenhillfarm@btconnect.com>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Derek Lawrence" <derek@prestwoodpetcrematorium.co.uk>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
My wife and I and a couple of friends are travelling over from England to
visit a dog show in Frankenmuth, Michigan the first week in May. I was
wondering if there were any Kolb flyers in the area who would put up with a
visit from the bored male part of the party while the girls go off to the
dog show. Are there any small airfields in the area that ultra lights fly
from we could visit? If so please contact me off list.
derek@prestwoodpetcrematorium.co.uk
Derek Lawrence
Building Kolb Mk111 Xtra Jab
In Stourbridge England
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
stop that sound that reminds me more of a sailboat mast than an
aircraft.
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| Vic
I very seldom ever hear my cables slapping in the tail boom. Solution
to cable silence, get older and deafer.
Seriously, the cable aren't wearing out themselves or the tailboom.
Try and ignore the racket. After all, it is a true Kolb trait.
The problem may be more ego than anything else. At times, when I do
hear the cables slapping and banging back there, if there is someone
observing, I may be a little more self conscious of the noise.
Finally, try rubber cables, or keep the steel cables and go to a
rubber tail boom.
john h
mkIII M3-011
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl@verizon.net>
"Finally, try rubber cables, or keep the steel cables and go to a
rubber tail boom."
Bungee cords maybe?
Vic Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
Guys
I think a few feet of the Kolb supplied fuel line on each cable in
the tail boom would help. Herb
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:12:13 -0400 "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl@verizon.net>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic Peters"
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> rubber tail boom."
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| Subject: | Re: Dangerous or just scary |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
When "I" was asking about this "one" nicco BULLSHIT...
IT WAS ABOUT SAFETY.....But it got SWITCHED around about critisizing your CRAFTSMANSHIP
Which I NEVER did....
At one time I didn't give a FUCK....
Now I'm a Pilot...
And I don't give a FLYING FUCK....
KMA- Duane the PLAIN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
Titans are similar, using a boom also. The factory made a foam plug that
fits about half-way down the boom. It has holes for cable guides that keep
the cables from slapping, plus a hole for the elevator tube.
They don't include them on the S or SS models anymore, but maybe they still
make them for the others. I made one for my SS, since it was the prototype.
I looked, but I don't have any pictures of the plug. It's about 2" thick,
and the type of foam is such that the cables won't saw it to pieces.
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports, LLC
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
Challenger e-mail list
http://challenger.inebraska.com
Titan e-mail list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
>
> Guys
>
> I think a few feet of the Kolb supplied fuel line on each cable in
> the tail boom would help. Herb
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:12:13 -0400 "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl@verizon.net>
> writes:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic Peters"
> > <vicsvinyl@verizon.net>
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> > "Finally, try rubber cables, or keep the steel cables and go to a
> > rubber tail boom."
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> > Bungee cords maybe?
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> > Vic
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> "Finally, try rubber cables, or keep the steel cables and go to a
> > rubber tail boom."
My girlfriend suggested sleigh bells......;>)
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Dangerous or just scary |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
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KMA- Duane the PLAIN
<SNIP>
Ahhhh, there is that eloquence you are so famous for...wondered how long
till that came out.
Jeremy "had my mouth washed out long time ago" Casey
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| Subject: | Re: Dangerous or just scary |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
I guess you can only take so much of somebody TWISTING your words around til you
won't stand for it .....and well....BOOOM
Whatever,
Gotta Fly
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
oooooh, better not let the prozac lapse again.
do not archive
On 25, Apr 2006, at 4:04 PM, planecrazzzy wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy"
> <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
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> When "I" was asking about this "one" nicco BULLSHIT...
>
> IT WAS ABOUT SAFETY.....But it got SWITCHED around about critisizing
> your CRAFTSMANSHIP
>
> Which I NEVER did....
>
> At one time I didn't give a FUCK....
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> Now I'm a Pilot...
>
> And I don't give a FLYING FUCK....
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> KMA- Duane the PLAIN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
famous again!! usually takes a month or so to get famous again huh?
From: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Dangerous or just scary
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
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>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
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>Ahhhh, there is that eloquence you are so famous for...wondered how long
>till that came out.
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>Jeremy "had my mouth washed out long time ago" Casey
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
Matt,
I assume that you are monitoring this garbage.
How much does it take to get some loud mouthed,
uncultured, filth spewing jerk removed from the list????????
I think that I'm pretty much done with this list, I know that there are
many, many great and knowledgeable people on this list but it only takes one
giant, ill tempered "RECTAL CAVITY" like Planecrazzzy, a.k.a. Mike P. to
turn it into a verbal (foul mouthed) porn site.
Matt, please do your job and "Take out the garbage"
Thanks
Chris Mallory
PLEASE ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
Matt: I'll add my vote on to that. I worked for 40 years with foul mouth,
so called "men" who couldn't get passed four letter words to express them
selves. I had to have the work so had to put up with a lot of it until I
became the plant manager. I'm retired and 73 now and I don't want to lose
the Kolb list, but this guy is too much and upsets the sensibility of other
members of this list.
Dallas Shepherd
Norfork, Arkansas
-------Original Message-------
From: Chris Mallory
Subject: Kolb-List: Mike (planecrazzzy@yahoo.com)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
Matt,
I assume that you are monitoring this garbage.
How much does it take to get some loud mouthed,
uncultured, filth spewing jerk removed from the list????????
I think that I'm pretty much done with this list, I know that there are
many, many great and knowledgeable people on this list but it only takes one
giant, ill tempered "RECTAL CAVITY" like Planecrazzzy, a.k.a. Mike P. to
turn it into a verbal (foul mouthed) porn site.
Matt, please do your job and "Take out the garbage"
Thanks
Chris Mallory
PLEASE ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Cables |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
Regarding the application of solder to ends of cable.
In the not too dim past I was doing the airframe annual inspection on
an old (ain't no new ones) TriPacer. Running an old pair(?) of ladies
hose down some of the control cables, I hit a snag at a (single!)
nico. The cable had been cut off, maybe strand-by-strand with dikes
as they were uneven in length. Some strands did have solder balls,
but close inspection with mag glass and big light showed not only
many strands not soldered, but a kind of corrosion that wasn't
rust...that looked like it went back into the nico, and maybe further
down the cable. The owner readily admitted to the previous soldering,
since he'd heard that was a good safety factor.
BUT he had trouble getting solder to flow and tin the strands, since
the cable had been oiled in a former life. So, as an time soldering
expert, he dipped a shop rag in a nearby battery and wicked some acid
up...and dampened the end with it. Some solder did flow, but more
acid went down the cable...and worked its magic for a whole year.
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 4/25/2006 9:28:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,
NeilsenRM@comcast.net writes:
My personal rule is don't change the structural design of your airplane
unless you KNOW you are making a overall improvement. Even then it is a good
idea to check with the designer or someone else that DOES KNOW about these
things.
Be careful out there.
Again this advice is worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
Rick,
This Is some of the most useful advice I have seen on this list!!!!!
Ed Diebel Firefly # 62
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Same here, Mike.... well... "BOOOM" ..... You're blocked at my
house....
Whatever,
Go Fly...
Beauford
----- Original Message ----- >
> I guess you can only take so much of somebody TWISTING your words
around til you won't stand for it .....and well....BOOOM
>
> Whatever,
> Gotta Fly
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
The builders manual that came with the MKIII and the FSII both specify 2
nicos per end of each cable.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
DAquaNut@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
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> In a message dated 4/25/2006 9:28:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> NeilsenRM@comcast.net writes:
>
> My personal rule is don't change the structural design of your airplane
> unless you KNOW you are making a overall improvement. Even then it is a good
> idea to check with the designer or someone else that DOES KNOW about these
> things.
>
> Be careful out there.
>
> Again this advice is worth what you paid for it.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
>
> Rick,
> This Is some of the most useful advice I have seen on this list!!!!!
>
> Ed Diebel Firefly # 62
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Did I mention how much I like your dog?
Duane is a good guy also.
Denny
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:04 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Dangerous or just scary
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>
> When "I" was asking about this "one" nicco BULLSHIT...
>
> IT WAS ABOUT SAFETY.....But it got SWITCHED around about critisizing your
> CRAFTSMANSHIP
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> Which I NEVER did....
>
> At one time I didn't give a FUCK....
>
> Now I'm a Pilot...
>
> And I don't give a FLYING FUCK....
>
> KMA- Duane the PLAIN
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> .Do not archive
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=30645#30645
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@msbit.net>
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@msbit.net>
That was supposed to be an embedded image of my mail filter rule that bids
PlaneCranky adieu....and not a fond one at that. Off to the infinite bit-bucket
you go.....
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
Rick and others,
My elevator and rudder cables are the originals and have never been changed in
19 years. I used to inspect them every year, then it was every 2 years, then every
5 years. Every time, they are perfect with no detectable wear. I have untwisted
them where they go around the pulley with all strands intact.
Ralph
Original Firestar
19 years flying with 2 nicros at each end
-- "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
We need to move on to new things but...
In a previous post I talked about some backyard engineers changing things to
make something stronger but in fact creating weakness. I checked out a
MKIIIc last summer were the builder had changed the control wires for the
elevator from stock to what looked like 1/4 - 5/16 galvanized steel cables.
I don't remember if any of the fittings on this control system were beefed
up, I don't think so. My comment at the time was wow you must get some major
cable slap.
Now that I think more about this, I feel that this is a good example of us
backyard engineers trying to make something stronger but actually making it
weaker. The stock cables are plenty strong. Seems like someone stated that
they are rated at 480lbs. By increasing the size of the cables they fixed
some thing that wasn't broken. By increasing the size of the cables they
added weight. More importantly this weight has to be carried by pulling the
cables with considerably more force than is necessary to keep the lighter
cables suspended in the fuselage tube. When they taxi on rough ground the
stress on the control system goes up big time. The control system is only as
strong as its weakest link and the cables were likely never the weakest link
(but I'm not a structural engineer). My point is this added stress could
cause a critical control system failure just by having to carry the added
stretched cable weight.
My personal rule is don't change the structural design of your airplane
unless you KNOW you are making a overall improvement. Even then it is a good
idea to check with the designer or someone else that DOES KNOW about these
things.
Be careful out there.
Again this advice is worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 4/25/2006 6:47:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
richard@bcchapel.org writes:
The builders manual that came with the MKIII and the FSII both specify 2
nicos per end of each cable.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Richard,
My Firefly quickbuild kit came that way from factory. So far so good.
Ed Firefly # 62
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Okay guys, let's settle down. I went and read the thread from the top (see here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=7004 ). Mike's initial comment was very much in the context of what "he" considered dangerous. Later on, there were some follow up comments that were pretty harsh toward Mike and his initial comments. Consequently, Mike lashed out spewing altogether inappropriate profanity, but interestingly his comments still were not directed at anyone specifically.
Now, I haven't really been following the content too closely and so maybe this
is just another in a sequence of similar outbursts, I don't know. Whatever the
case is, Mike, please refrain from using profanity on the List. This is unprofessional
and not acceptable behavior on the List. Further profanity will result
in permanent removal from the List.
To everyone on the List, please review your posts before hitting that Send button.
We don't need off handed personal attacks on the List, no matter who they
are directed toward. That is just as unprofessional and unacceptable as the
profanity. Frankly, more unacceptable. Using profanity doesn't hurt my feelings,
but calling me names can.
I am asking everyone on the List to think twice about the content of their post
and whether or not it will be considered offensive. There is absolutely no reason
that any post to this List should be considered "offensive" to anyone subscribed
to the List. And everyone knows what I'm talking about. Disagreeing
with someone's opinion absolutely can be done in an unoffensive manner.
Think -> Write -> THINK -> Post
Don't forget that second THINK!
Matt Dralle
Matronics List Admin.
At 03:21 PM 4/25/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
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> Matt: I'll add my vote on to that. I worked for 40 years with foul mouth,
>so called "men" who couldn't get passed four letter words to express them
>selves. I had to have the work so had to put up with a lot of it until I
>became the plant manager. I'm retired and 73 now and I don't want to lose
>the Kolb list, but this guy is too much and upsets the sensibility of other
>members of this list.
>Dallas Shepherd
>Norfork, Arkansas
>
>-------Original Message-------
>
>From: Chris Mallory
>Date: 04/25/06 17:11:28
>To: Kolb List
>Subject: Kolb-List: Mike (planecrazzzy@yahoo.com)
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>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Mallory" <wcm@tampabay.rr.com>
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>Matt,
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>I assume that you are monitoring this garbage.
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>How much does it take to get some loud mouthed,
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>uncultured, filth spewing jerk removed from the list????????
>
>I think that I'm pretty much done with this list, I know that there are
>many, many great and knowledgeable people on this list but it only takes one
>giant, ill tempered "RECTAL CAVITY" like Planecrazzzy, a.k.a. Mike P. to
>turn it into a verbal (foul mouthed) porn site.
>
>Matt, please do your job and "Take out the garbage"
>
>Thanks
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>Chris Mallory
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>PLEASE ARCHIVE
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