---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/28/06: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:01 AM - Update on Drill Dilemma (Icrashrc@AOL.COM) 2. 06:54 AM - Ethanol (Terry Frantz) 3. 06:54 AM - Drilling hard material (Crankshaft Bolts) (jratcli256@aol.com) 4. 07:10 AM - soldering kolb cables (boyd) 5. 09:32 AM - New "MODS" from "cannon fodder" (planecrazzzy) 6. 09:56 AM - Kolb/Harley (Paul Petty) 7. 10:20 AM - Re: Kolb/Harley (Robert Noyer) 8. 11:38 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 04/27/06 (Vic) 9. 12:29 PM - Re: Kolb/Harley (Richard Pike) 10. 12:44 PM - Re: Checkout?...I doan need no stinking...... (Ralph Hoover) 11. 12:44 PM - Re: Kolb/Harley (Richard Girard) 12. 12:48 PM - Re: Drill Dilemma - Long Winded Story (George E. Thompson) 13. 01:46 PM - Re: Kolb/Harley (John Hauck) 14. 02:31 PM - Re: Drill Dilemma - Long Winded Story (robert bean) 15. 03:49 PM - Re: Drilling hard material (Crankshaft Bolts) (Larry Bourne) 16. 03:57 PM - Re: Kolb/Harley/0-200 (Larry Bourne) 17. 03:58 PM - Re: Drill Dilemma - Long Winded Story (Larry Bourne) 18. 04:04 PM - Hurry Get Your Skywalker Jet Now!! (David Key) 19. 04:31 PM - Re: Hurry Get Your Skywalker Jet Now!! (Paul Petty) 20. 04:36 PM - Re: Update on Drill Dilemma (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL) 21. 04:50 PM - Kolb Wings for Sale (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL) 22. 04:53 PM - Re: Kolb/Harley/0-200 (jadamson) 23. 06:00 PM - Re: Re: Update on Drill Dilemma (John Hauck) 24. 06:03 PM - Re: Re: Update on Drill Dilemma (Larry Bourne) 25. 06:07 PM - Re: Kolb Wings for Sale/Stalling on short final (John Hauck) 26. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: Update on Drill Dilemma (John Hauck) 27. 07:57 PM - A special video for John Hauck ... (Noel Bouchard) 28. 08:15 PM - Re: A special video for John Hauck ... (John Hauck) 29. 08:30 PM - Re: Hurry Get Your Skywalker Jet Now!! (Richard Girard) 30. 08:35 PM - Re: Drill Dilemma - Long Winded Story (Richard Girard) 31. 08:39 PM - Re: Kolb/Harley/0-200 (Richard Girard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:18 AM PST US From: Icrashrc@AOL.COM Subject: Kolb-List: Update on Drill Dilemma --> Kolb-List message posted by: Icrashrc@aol.com Larry, Are you drilling the dowel out to a larger size or just center drilling to remove the pin? Have you considered using a carbide end mill to finish the job? An end mill won't center itself like a drill bit but if the hole is almost finished it shouldn't be a problem. Just a thought... Scott do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:11 AM PST US From: Terry Frantz Subject: Kolb-List: Ethanol --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Frantz Anyone out there have a practical idea on how to removes the ethanol from gas or does it have to be re-refined through a "cracker" to eliminate it. Wish I had paid more attention in chemistry class!!!! Just asking! Seems like if they can add it there should be a way to remove it. Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:11 AM PST US From: jratcli256@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Drilling hard material (Crankshaft Bolts) --> Kolb-List message posted by: jratcli256@aol.com Larry, I believe the drill bits being refered to are carbide bits. The proper bit works great. Use a machinists bit. They are generally short (because they are very brittle). Don't use the ones with carbide tips braised on (Masonry type bits) They are alot cheaper but if you break them off in the hole you've got a big problem. They are also not very accurate in size. They work best in a drill press or milling machine because you have better control of side loading and pressure (especially when breaking through the material at the end of the hole). Remember no side load if possible and just enough pressure to keep it cutting. Don't let the bit catch as it breaks thru. Lighten the pressure. Carbides can be run at higher speeds then high speed bits which helps at the break thru point. Also these bits are good for drilling thru material that has been heat hardened as in welding near-by or heated for bending. Hope this helps. John Ratcliffe jratcli256@aol.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:09 AM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: Kolb-List: soldering kolb cables --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd" What kind of soldering flux did you use and how did you clean the excess off before putting the cable in service? Use resin not acid flux. In my opinion the heat was not the problem. the problem lies with the corrosive properties of the soldering flux left behind in the process. In second thought the heat could have caused some of the oils in the cable to burn out. Re OILING the cable after cleaning off the excess flux should provide good results. Remember when the solder wicks into the cable the flux is forced further up the cable strands. so cleaning and re oiling is vital. Boyd Y Ps just red ray's post and he is right on. --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson In my humble opinion, one should NEVER use any flux on the cables except resin. At the same time, with me a big no-no is never heat them with a torch, but a medium heat soldering iron. I have soldered many cable ends, and other sensitive wires,etc. using this combination. Then when finished, brush the area with alcohol. Have never seen any change in strength or evidence of corrosion. Ray UltraStar Tenn. Do not archive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On examination, there was noticeable discoloration from the point that was soldered, back about 1". The general consensus, of those that examined it, was that the break was caused by the effect on the cable of the heat application. (The failure may have been accelerated by the humid conditions here in FL.) The cable actually rusted through. Miffed that I didn't see the rust before it broke. Some of the discoloration/rust protruded from the connector enough to be seen. Conceptually a good idea, with not so good results. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:02 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: New "MODS" from "cannon fodder" From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" Hey Guys, I've got some new "mods" on my brake lines ( cables ) It gets rid of the " Big Honkin Loop " .... I found out about these Guides from Richard ( Old Poop ) and they've been handy for cleaning up alot of my cables.... I won't bore you with pictures unless you request them... Gotta Fly... "Mr" cannon fodder .. .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31379#31379 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:10 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb/Harley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Hey guys, Check this out. I learned this morning that a man has ordered a Kolb = Mark 3 x-tra quick build kit and is having it shipped to these guys>>> = http://www.skyray.us/ to have a Harley engine mounted on it!=20 This should be a very interesting project. I talked with Brett ay skyray = and he is very excited about it! Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp (maybe a Harley later) :-)=20 do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:34 AM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb/Harley --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer Yep, only $11,050 fer 80 horses! regards, Bob N. http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:21 AM PST US From: "Vic" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 04/27/06 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic" For soldering cables I made a solder pot out of 3/4 inch diameter pipe about 1 inch long welded to a flat piece of steel. Make it leak proof. I filled it with silver solder and I heat it up with a propane torch until the solder is liquid. I dip the cable end in silver solder flux then dip it in the molten solder for about 30 seconds. Pull the cable out and tap the end on the solder pot to remove excess. When the joint cools dip it in clear polyurethane to seal it from moisture. Takes longer to describe the process than do the process. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:39 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb/Harley --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike I think if I was going to hang that much weight on a MKIII, it would be one of Bill Wynn's Corvairs. 110HP continuous, 200 ft lbs of torque, six cylinder smooth, 10 pounds more weight including electric start and a muffled exhaust. For 1/3 the price. Snoop around his web pages. Too heavy IMO, but interesting. http://www.flycorvair.com/corvair.html#Engine%20Specs Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Paul Petty wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Hey guys, > > Check this out. I learned this morning that a man has ordered a Kolb = > Mark 3 x-tra quick build kit and is having it shipped to these guys>>> = > http://www.skyray.us/ to have a Harley engine mounted on it!=20 > This should be a very interesting project. I talked with Brett ay skyray = > and he is very excited about it! > > > Paul Petty > Building Ms. Dixie > Kolbra/912UL/Warp (maybe a Harley later) :-)=20 > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:16 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Checkout?...I doan need no stinking...... From: "Ralph Hoover" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" beauford, Then ther is the other side of the fence (track). Me! I have spent about 15 hours over 8 months learning how to fly a "flying Log (Challenger). Since I am 6'-1" and 230 # and my instructor is 6'-0" and weighs 200# and we only put 5 gal in the tank, we come mighty close to the max for the log on a 1,000 foot strip for a newby. I gave up the scooter , the weather is warm, I would be, should be, could be, riding ....BUT NOOOOOOOOO! I am waiting for calm, cool, evenings and weekends to get the landing part down pat. Oh forsooth! If nothing else to this point, i have : new wiring, new gauges, electric fuel pump as well as mechanical, new full windsheid, did I mention new wiring and have learned to take, off fly and almost land. And have gained a new respect for anyone that can operate a motorcycle on ice 1,000 feet off the ground! Oh, I didn't mention, but it is important...I have learned P A T I E N T S! Well, almost. Then I begin to loose interest and then, I see some of these pictures of youz guys flying and get re-invigorated. Go figure! Ohio Ralph...in need of a fix or a longer field! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31437#31437 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:24 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb/Harley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Girard" For all the times I have had to stop and wait for somebody in the troupe to do a roadside repair and all the time I've spent fixing the mistakes of so called Harley mechanics, all I can say is good luck. I've often referred to radial aircraft engines as 3 1/2 Shovelhead engines, but the thought of the old "Vibraglide" pushing me though the air is about as far I ever go with it. For the price and the weight (whew, talk about a hog), why not get an O-200 and rid yourself of the reduction drive? You'd still be almost 20 lb. lighter. On 4/28/06, Paul Petty wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Hey guys, > > Check this out. I learned this morning that a man has ordered a Kolb =3D > Mark 3 x-tra quick build kit and is having it shipped to these guys>>> = =3D > http://www.skyray.us/ to have a Harley engine mounted on it!=3D20 > This should be a very interesting project. I talked with Brett ay skyray = =3D > and he is very excited about it! > > > Paul Petty > Building Ms. Dixie > Kolbra/912UL/Warp (maybe a Harley later) :-)=3D20 > > > do not archive > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > -- Rick Girard "Pining for a home on the Range" ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:56 PM PST US From: "George E. Thompson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Drill Dilemma - Long Winded Story --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" Lar, Your local dermatologist has those little nitrogen bottles that they burn off warts etc. You might go to one and buy an extra. Az Bald Eagle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Drill Dilemma - Long Winded Story > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > Yah, this crank was drilled for 8, but 4 were drilled and tapped for 3/8 > fine thread for the cap screws. Lar. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Building Kolb Mk III > N78LB Vamoose > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Drill Dilemma - Long Winded Story > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com >> >> >> In a message dated 4/26/2006 9:25:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, >> biglar@gogittum.com writes: >> >> Only after installing the Speedi-Sleeve did that leak dry up and stop = >> masking this 2nd one. What a raging pain in the neck........but at = >> least I've got a solution in sight now - if I can get that 4th dowel pin >> = >> out of there. Lar.=20 >> >> Larry Bourne >> >> >> Lar, >> Seems I remember In my dune buggy building days we drilled the crank for >> a >> total of 8 dowel pins. Maybe that would help your situation??? Hope you >> get >> it solved. >> >> Ed Do Not Archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/322 - Release Date: 4/22/2006 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:37 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb/Harley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | regards, | Bob N. Yep, the Harley is much cheaper by the pound than the 912. john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:02 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Drill Dilemma - Long Winded Story --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Yeah! Lar's a real warty old guy.......... On 28, Apr 2006, at 3:45 PM, George E. Thompson wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" > > > Lar, Your local dermatologist has those little nitrogen bottles that > they > burn off warts etc. You might go to one and buy an extra. > Az Bald Eagle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Bourne" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:09 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Drill Dilemma - Long Winded Story > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" >> >> Yah, this crank was drilled for 8, but 4 were drilled and tapped for >> 3/8 >> fine thread for the cap screws. Lar. >> >> Larry Bourne >> Palm Springs, CA >> Building Kolb Mk III >> N78LB Vamoose >> www.gogittum.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:43 PM >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Drill Dilemma - Long Winded Story >> >> >>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 4/26/2006 9:25:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, >>> biglar@gogittum.com writes: >>> >>> Only after installing the Speedi-Sleeve did that leak dry up and >>> stop = >>> masking this 2nd one. What a raging pain in the neck........but at >>> = >>> least I've got a solution in sight now - if I can get that 4th >>> dowel pin >>> = >>> out of there. Lar.=20 >>> >>> Larry Bourne >>> >>> >>> Lar, >>> Seems I remember In my dune buggy building days we drilled the crank >>> for >>> a >>> total of 8 dowel pins. Maybe that would help your situation??? Hope >>> you >>> get >>> it solved. >>> >>> Ed Do Not Archive >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/322 - Release Date: >> 4/22/2006 >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:21 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Drilling hard material (Crankshaft Bolts) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Thanks, John. I think you're right, but I don't want to fool with it anymore, and even if I did get it drilled, how would I cut threads in it for the slide hammer ?? Filling it with heavy oil and using a punch sounds interesting, and seems like it should work, assuming I could get a horizontal hole completely filled........but what if it didn't ?? As you say, breaking a bit or tap in there is very possible - even probable - and then I'd REally have a problem. The welder will be here at 10:00 AM tomorrow, and we'll get the fool thing out and move on. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Drilling hard material (Crankshaft Bolts) > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jratcli256@aol.com > > Larry, > > I believe the drill bits being refered to are carbide bits. > > The proper bit works great. Use a machinists bit. They are generally short > (because they are very brittle). Don't use the ones with carbide tips > braised on (Masonry type bits) They are alot cheaper but if you break them > off in the hole you've got a big problem. They are also not very accurate > in size. > > They work best in a drill press or milling machine because you have better > control of side loading and pressure (especially when breaking through the > material at the end of the hole). > > Remember no side load if possible and just enough pressure to keep it > cutting. Don't let the bit catch as it breaks thru. Lighten the pressure. > Carbides can be run at higher speeds then high speed bits which helps at > the break thru point. > > Also these bits are good for drilling thru material that has been heat > hardened as in welding near-by or heated for bending. > > Hope this helps. > > John Ratcliffe jratcli256@aol.com > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:34 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb/Harley/0-200 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" In all serious-ness, I gave heavy thought to the 0-200 when I started all this, because you're right - it's got the torque without the reduction drive, it's bulletproof, (or very close to it) many of them out there.......(uh - not really - read on) simple, etc., etc. Then I found that there is an 0-200A which is what you'll find all over, on Cessna 150's, etc. We would want the 0-200B which apparently has the thrust bearing area machined differently for a pusher application. Never did really chase after one, but haven't ever noticed one, either. I believe they're quite rare. Then I talked to Klaus at Lightspeed Aviation, who is using the 0-200A with pleasure and success on his Long EZ's. (I think) Go figure. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Girard" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb/Harley > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Girard" > For the price and the weight (whew, talk about a hog), why not get an > O-200 and rid yourself of the reduction drive? You'd still be almost 20 > lb. > lighter. > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:56 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Drill Dilemma - Long Winded Story --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" But cool, for alla that. :-) Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bean" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Drill Dilemma - Long Winded Story > --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean > > Yeah! Lar's a real warty old guy.......... > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:50 PM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: Kolb-List: Hurry Get Your Skywalker Jet Now!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" I know you are ready for an update and without further delay... Click on the "Test 4/6/06" http://skywalkerjets.com/ do not archive for any reason! ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:38 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hurry Get Your Skywalker Jet Now!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" David, I have watched this idiot for sometime now. Cant wait for him to go "Wireless" LOL do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Key" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Hurry Get Your Skywalker Jet Now!! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" > > I know you are ready for an update and without further delay... > Click on the "Test 4/6/06" > http://skywalkerjets.com/ > > > do not archive for any reason! > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:55 PM PST US From: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Update on Drill Dilemma --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL Big Lar wrote: << If I have more problems with it, it'll go in the trash. As you say, there comes a time.......>>> Do my ears deceive me? Is Larry actually considering thoughts of DEFEAT regarding the vee dub on Vamoose? On Barnstormers, RIGHT NOW, there is a 912 for sale. Less than 100 hours, comes off Ralph Kew's Mark-III. $12,000. You could be flying next month. But then again, what fun is a bolt-on, go-fly, reliable engine? If you finished Vamoose, then what would be left to talk about on this List? ;-) Do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:38 PM PST US From: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Wings for Sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL Kolb Friends - One of our former List members whom I've kept in contact with has just posted the following ad on Barnstormers: For Sale: Set of two Kolb Mark-III wings with flaps and aileron counterbalances. One wing needs some tip repair. Set of Horiz & Vert Stabs. Best Offer each. Contact Ralph Kew, 202-437-1580. I know Ralph, and have seen his nicely finished Mark-III (built by Jim Lee) and his Firestar that he keeps near his home in Virginia. Of course, I asked Ralph what happened, when I saw his ad for "airplane wings for sale." Here's what he told me: "On final approach and about 25 feet AGL, came under the tree line and the wind stopped. Lost most of the air speed / lift but kept some of the horizontal speed, so dropped in a 45 degree angle. Bent both landing gear and bent the cage to a point of no return. Plowed the field for about 15 feet. The 912 kept on running and it's OK. Is also for sale on Barnstormers. I made it out with out a scratch, thanks God. A miracle." I was glad to hear Ralph is OK. One more testimonial for the crashworthy design of these Kolb cages. Dennis Kirby Mark-III, 912, Powerfin New Mexico Do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:02 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb/Harley/0-200 From: "jadamson" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jadamson" Here's a link to the company that seems to be the forerunner of the Skyray link referred to in another post: http://www.hog-air.com/hogindex.htm He used to show some performance specs but I couldn't find 'em since Skyray's now in the picture. As I recall, though, he was running the engine at a fairly high RPM (3500+) to get the good HP/Torque values. Which is a lot higher than I run on the highway in my Geezer Glide. HD's Evo and TwinCam engines are a heckuva lot more reliable than the Shovels (still the best sounding HD engine, IMO). And, the reduction drive is no more than the standard HD primary case turned vertical. Plus fuel injection, if you want it. On the downside, I'm not sure if dual ignition is available or not. As for weight. gotta be sure we're comparing apples to apples. 205 lbs all up, including mount, etc. Comparing to the Corvair (and 0-200) and to quote William Wynne (FlyCorvair.com), "I have a lot of data that shows the Corvair has an installed flying weight of about 225-230 lbs. .... This is slightly below the installed weight of a typical O-200 Continental.". For the cost difference, "user base" and experience with the engine, I'm liking the VW more & more. Just my 2 pesos' worth to add to the confusion ... John A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31498#31498 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:52 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Update on Drill Dilemma --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" ----- | But then again, what fun is a bolt-on, go-fly, reliable engine? If you | finished Vamoose, then what would be left to talk about on this List? ;-) | | Do not archive Dennis K/Gang: For sure! Without Larry's dune buggy engine and redrive, there would be very little info to share on this list, unless one wanted solder some throttle cables. Was wondering...........at what point in the life of my little airplane am I supposed to buy solder and do my cables????? Undoubtedly, haven't reached that plateau yet. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:17 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Update on Drill Dilemma --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Defeat ?? Whazzat ?? Nope........redirection, but probably not to a 912. I'd like to have one, but just can't afford one. That redrive does get one more chance, and, far as I know, the engine is just fine. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Update on Drill Dilemma > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL > > > Big Lar wrote: << If I have more problems with it, it'll go in the > trash. > As you say, there comes a time.......>>> > > Do my ears deceive me? Is Larry actually considering thoughts of DEFEAT > regarding the vee dub on Vamoose? > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:34 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Wings for Sale/Stalling on short final --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" crashworthy | design of these Kolb cages. | | Dennis Kirby | Mark-III, 912, Powerfin | New Mexico Again, Dennis, ya got that right. Another testimonial that Kolbs do not fly below stall speed, with or without factoring in the tree line, mysterious phantom winds, and poor pilotage. Landing at 25 feet AGL will also break your mkIII. How do I know? Well........really I don't know about 25 feet, but I do know 30 feet will wipe the landing gear off the bottom of my mkIII, knock the glasses off my nose and out from under David Clark ear cups, and put big black and blue marks on the bottom of my thighs from the forward seat tube, and contusions on my skinny shins from the bottom of the instrument panel. I had my flaps at 20 degrees. Maybe that is why my mkIII did not get as much damage as Ralph's. I do know that pilotage has nothing to do with final results, because once the mkIII stalls at 25 feet, the pilot becomes an instant passenger. hehehe Voice of experience. ;-) john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:58 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Update on Drill Dilemma --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Nope........redirection, but probably not to a 912. | I'd like to have one, but just can't afford one. That redrive does get one | more chance, and, far as I know, the engine is just fine. | Do not Archive. | | Larry Bourne Looking on as a casual observer, seems you may have invested enough time and money to buy a quality used 912, and had 1,500 or more hours of flight time on your mkIII. Maybe next year you can give rides in your VW powered mkIII at MV. Sure hope so. Should have all the bugs worked out of the bug motor by then. Take care, john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:44 PM PST US From: Noel Bouchard Subject: Kolb-List: A special video for John Hauck ... --> Kolb-List message posted by: Noel Bouchard Hello John & group ! I tought about you John, when seeing this fantastic chopper video ... I hope you will enjoy it ... http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-2-13_altitudefive.wmv Good flying all ! Nol -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/326 - Release Date: 04/27/2006 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:07 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: A special video for John Hauck ... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-2-13_altitudefive.wmv | | Good flying all ! | | Nol That's a good one. Enjoyed it. Do they really fly those helicopters like that? ;-) john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:59 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hurry Get Your Skywalker Jet Now!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Girard" Call me cynical, but I've met this guy a dozen times. The conversation always goes something like this........ "Say, I hear you're the guy to talk to about (pick flying associated topic, mine was always hang gliding)" "Yeah, I fly, do you?" "I've got this really cool new design that's going to blow everything else away" Long explanation about his new design ensues... "That sounds really interesting" More polite than saying "What a bunch of B*** S***. "So how much flying time have you got? Where do you fly?" "You don't understand, I've got this new design.............." On 4/28/06, David Key wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" > > I know you are ready for an update and without further delay... > Click on the "Test 4/6/06" > http://skywalkerjets.com/ > > > do not archive for any reason! > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > -- Rick Girard "Pining for a home on the Range" ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:34 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Drill Dilemma - Long Winded Story --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Girard" In my haste to extoll the virtues of masonry bits, I forgot one other option. Call some local machine shops and ask them who burns out taps in th= e area. Some shop always has an electric discharge tap burner. Worth a try. On 4/28/06, George E. Thompson wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" < > eagle1@commspeed.net> > > Lar, Your local dermatologist has those little nitrogen bottles that they > burn off warts etc. You might go to one and buy an extra. > Az Bald Eagle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Bourne" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:09 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Drill Dilemma - Long Winded Story > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > > > Yah, this crank was drilled for 8, but 4 were drilled and tapped for 3/= 8 > > fine thread for the cap screws. Lar. > > > > Larry Bourne > > Palm Springs, CA > > Building Kolb Mk III > > N78LB Vamoose > > www.gogittum.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:43 PM > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Drill Dilemma - Long Winded Story > > > > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 4/26/2006 9:25:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, > >> biglar@gogittum.com writes: > >> > >> Only after installing the Speedi-Sleeve did that leak dry up and stop > =3D > >> masking this 2nd one. What a raging pain in the neck........but at = =3D > >> least I've got a solution in sight now - if I can get that 4th dowel > pin > >> =3D > >> out of there. Lar.=3D20 > >> > >> Larry Bourne > >> > >> > >> Lar, > >> Seems I remember In my dune buggy building days we drilled the > crank for > >> a > >> total of 8 dowel pins. Maybe that would help your situation??? Hope yo= u > >> get > >> it solved. > >> > >> Ed Do Not Archive > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/322 - Release Date: 4/22/200= 6 > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > -- Rick Girard "Pining for a home on the Range" ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:21 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb/Harley/0-200 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Girard" Klause has a Varieze that he's been modifying for years. O2BAD pulls almost 140 HP from the O-200 and gets a top speed in excess of 240 Kts. On 4/28/06, Larry Bourne wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > In all serious-ness, I gave heavy thought to the 0-200 when I started all > this, because you're right - it's got the torque without the reduction > drive, it's bulletproof, (or very close to it) many of them out > there.......(uh - not really - read on) simple, etc., etc. Then I found > that there is an 0-200A which is what you'll find all over, on Cessna > 150's, > etc. We would want the 0-200B which apparently has the thrust bearing > area > machined differently for a pusher application. Never did really chase > after > one, but haven't ever noticed one, either. I believe they're quite rare. > Then I talked to Klaus at Lightspeed Aviation, who is using the 0-200A > with > pleasure and success on his Long EZ's. (I think) Go figure. > Lar. Do not Archive. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Building Kolb Mk III > N78LB Vamoose > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Girard" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb/Harley > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Girard" > > > For the price and the weight (whew, talk about a hog), why not get an > > O-200 and rid yourself of the reduction drive? You'd still be almost 20 > > lb. > > lighter. > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > -- Rick Girard "Pining for a home on the Range"