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1. 05:55 AM - Rotax Relapse (Beauford)
2. 06:10 AM - Re: Rotax Relapse (robert bean)
3. 06:49 AM - Re: Rotax Relapse (Herb Gayheart)
4. 07:10 AM - Re: Rotax Relapse (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
5. 07:42 AM - Re: Rotax Relapse (Terry Frantz)
6. 08:05 AM - Re: Rotax Relapse (Ralph)
7. 08:45 AM - Re: Fiberglass Gear Legs (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
8. 09:56 AM - Re: Rotax Relapse (EnaudZ@aol.com)
9. 11:38 AM - Re: Rotax Relapse (John Jung)
10. 12:18 PM - Re: Re: Rotax Relapse (John Russell)
11. 01:23 PM - Re: Rotax Relapse (Ralph Hoover)
12. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: Rotax Relapse (David Lehman)
13. 02:15 PM - Re: Rotax Relapse (jadamson)
14. 02:32 PM - Re: Re: Rotax Relapse (Richard Girard)
15. 03:55 PM - Weather..To fly or not to fly T.I.T.Q. (Ralph Hoover)
16. 04:34 PM - Re: Weather..To fly or not to fly T.I.T.Q. (Richard Pike)
17. 04:52 PM - Re: Weather..To fly or not to fly T.I.T.Q. (possums)
18. 05:07 PM - Weather..To fly or not to fly T.I.T.Q. (Lanny Fetterman)
19. 05:16 PM - Re: Weather..To fly or not to fly T.I.T.Q. (Robert Noyer)
20. 05:17 PM - Visit (Denny Rowe)
21. 05:21 PM - Re: Rotax Relapse (Daniel Walter)
22. 05:22 PM - Re: Weather..To fly or not to fly T.I.T.Q. (Ralph Hoover)
23. 05:25 PM - Re: Weather..To fly or not to fly T.I.T.Q. (Cat36Fly@aol.com)
24. 05:31 PM - Re: Weather..To fly or not to fly T.I.T.Q. (Ralph Hoover)
25. 05:44 PM - Re: Re: Weather..To fly or not to fly T.I.T.Q. (possums)
26. 06:17 PM - Re: Weather..To fly or not to fly T.I.T.Q. (Kirk Smith)
27. 06:35 PM - Re: Weather..To fly or not to fly T.I.T.Q. (robert bean)
28. 07:07 PM - Re: Weather..To fly or not to fly T.I.T.Q. (kfackler)
29. 07:10 PM - Re: Weather..To fly or not to fly T.I.T.Q. (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
30. 07:45 PM - Re: Weather..To fly or not to fly T.I.T.Q. (Richard Pike)
31. 07:52 PM - Re: Rotax relapse (Beauford)
32. 09:50 PM - headsets (boyd)
33. 10:17 PM - Re: Re: Rotax relapse (possums)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Kolbers and Kolbettes:
Once again the mighty 447 asserts its total dominance over
a thoroughly beaten, sniveling and craven Beauford....
Last 5 hours -- Head temps are too high... they both climb steadily at =
full power, reaching=20
400 plus in about 20 seconds... and the fan-end cylinder remains hot, =
stabilizing
about 390 when one throttles back to normal (5800) cruise. Rear cylinder =
comes=20
down to about 360.
Data:
-- Engine had complete top end rebuild at Lockwood 16 hours ago...new =
pistons
and rings. Has consistently run hotter since rebuild, but not this hot =
until
last five hours.
-- Swapped plug thermocouples...verified front is hot cylinder and temp =
reads accurately
-- Same jetting as always... it previously ran at 340 CHT on these same =
jets
and with needle in this same (second) notch
-- No change in prop loading... turns 6050 static, 6450 wot in flight
-- Temps remain together up to 4400 rpm...then front takes off as =
throttle
is pushed up further...eventually gets to 40 degree difference
-- Both EGT's remain normal (1020) at WOT... 1090 at cruise.=20
-- Plugs are clean and pretty...good color,slightly on light side... no =
trace=20
of excess carbon
-- Running Amsoil Saber 100 to one, but I'm mixing it at 70 to one
-- Ran a test tank of Pennzoil AC 50 to 1, no change in problem
-- All new gaskets throughout top of engine... heads and both manifolds
are torqued and re-torqued. No evidence of leakage at head or exhaust =
gaskets.
--Have not yet pulled exhaust to verify rings are free..that is next =
step, followed
by compression check.
I'm thinking air leak. Anyone have any other "hot" ideas?
Also, is there any reliable way to leak-check the case and crank
seals without tearing down the engine...? =20
Beat-up Beauford
FF#076
Brandon, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Relapse |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Beauford, you may be sniveling but I have never seen such a display of
manly persistence. -not to mention an indomitable and durable bank
account. This must be the 21st century's equivalent of the hair shirt.
Maybe if you borrowed a carb off of someone's happily running 447
to eliminate that angle?
-ignorant 4stroker BB do not archive
On 2, May 2006, at 9:05 AM, Beauford wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Kolbers and Kolbettes:
>
> Once again the mighty 447 asserts its total dominance over
> a thoroughly beaten, sniveling and craven Beauford....
>
> Last 5 hours -- Head temps are too high... they both climb steadily at
> =
> full power, reaching=20
> 400 plus in about 20 seconds... and the fan-end cylinder remains hot, =
> stabilizing
> about 390 when one throttles back to normal (5800) cruise. Rear
> cylinder =
> comes=20
> down to about 360.
>
> Data:
> -- Engine had complete top end rebuild at Lockwood 16 hours ago...new =
> pistons
> and rings. Has consistently run hotter since rebuild, but not this hot
> =
> until
> last five hours.
> -- Swapped plug thermocouples...verified front is hot cylinder and
> temp =
> reads accurately
> -- Same jetting as always... it previously ran at 340 CHT on these
> same =
> jets
> and with needle in this same (second) notch
> -- No change in prop loading... turns 6050 static, 6450 wot in flight
> -- Temps remain together up to 4400 rpm...then front takes off as =
> throttle
> is pushed up further...eventually gets to 40 degree difference
> -- Both EGT's remain normal (1020) at WOT... 1090 at cruise.=20
> -- Plugs are clean and pretty...good color,slightly on light side...
> no =
> trace=20
> of excess carbon
> -- Running Amsoil Saber 100 to one, but I'm mixing it at 70 to one
> -- Ran a test tank of Pennzoil AC 50 to 1, no change in problem
> -- All new gaskets throughout top of engine... heads and both manifolds
> are torqued and re-torqued. No evidence of leakage at head or exhaust =
> gaskets.
> --Have not yet pulled exhaust to verify rings are free..that is next =
> step, followed
> by compression check.
>
> I'm thinking air leak. Anyone have any other "hot" ideas?
> Also, is there any reliable way to leak-check the case and crank
> seals without tearing down the engine...? =20
>
> Beat-up Beauford
> FF#076
> Brandon, FL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Relapse |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
Beauford
I feel for you! My Firefly is sitting in the garage, not flying, on
account of lack of power which has been discussed before ... Likely
crank center seals since all else has been checked..
There is a fellow in East Tenn who has mounted a 40 some odd horsepower
half vw on his Firefly.. Just about ready to take a test flight ...
Won't be as good as a 447 in performance------. He flew it previously
but got some bad gas which caused him to abort his first flight with
light damage to the Fly.. Ready to go again.. Definitely bad gas as he
had put it in some equipment around his farm and screwed the engines up
on those also.. That was when he knew what was going on...
I fly a half vw on an N3 pup and am satisfied with it... Not as
smooth as a 447. I have a second half vw and will look at the
installation in East Tenn before I decide to go that way... 5 gal tank
will give 2+ hours of cruise. It won't be a Firefly in terms of climb and
performance.. However-- 100 dollars buys two pistons , jugs, rings and
wrist pins..:-) valves cost 4 to 5 bucks.. main and cam bearing set
costs abt $40 for both. Rear seal 7 bucks.. Gasket set about 10 ..
Uses av gas with no worry..
You did not say that the fan belt was in good shape? Herb
On Tue, 2 May 2006 09:05:06 -0400 "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford"
> <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Kolbers and Kolbettes:
>
> Once again the mighty 447 asserts its total dominance over
> a thoroughly beaten, sniveling and craven Beauford....
>
> Last 5 hours -- Head temps are too high... they both climb steadily
> at =
> full power, reaching=20
> 400 plus in about 20 seconds... and the fan-end cylinder remains
> hot, =
> stabilizing
> about 390 when one throttles back to normal (5800) cruise. Rear
> cylinder =
> comes=20
> down to about 360.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Relapse |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
In a message dated 5/2/2006 8:56:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
beauford@tampabay.rr.com writes:
Last 5 hours -- Head temps are too high
Beauford,
As Herb just mentioned, check the fan belt. High head temps usually point
to an air cooling problem, whereas high EGT readings point to a fuel mixture
(lean or rich) condition. While you look at the fan belt, also look for
obstructions in the cylinder fin area (like a rats nest or birds nest?)
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Relapse |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Frantz <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Herb Gayheart wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
>
>Beauford
>
> I feel for you! My Firefly is sitting in the garage, not flying, on
>account of lack of power which has been discussed before ... Likely
>crank center seals since all else has been checked..
>
> There is a fellow in East Tenn who has mounted a 40 some odd horsepower
>half vw on his Firefly.. Just about ready to take a test flight ...
>Won't be as good as a 447 in performance------. He flew it previously
>but got some bad gas which caused him to abort his first flight with
>light damage to the Fly.. Ready to go again.. Definitely bad gas as he
>had put it in some equipment around his farm and screwed the engines up
>on those also.. That was when he knew what was going on...
>
> I fly a half vw on an N3 pup and am satisfied with it... Not as
>smooth as a 447. I have a second half vw and will look at the
>installation in East Tenn before I decide to go that way... 5 gal tank
>will give 2+ hours of cruise. It won't be a Firefly in terms of climb and
>performance.. However-- 100 dollars buys two pistons , jugs, rings and
>wrist pins..:-) valves cost 4 to 5 bucks.. main and cam bearing set
>costs abt $40 for both. Rear seal 7 bucks.. Gasket set about 10 ..
>Uses av gas with no worry..
>
> You did not say that the fan belt was in good shape? Herb
>
>
>On Tue, 2 May 2006 09:05:06 -0400 "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>writes:
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford"
>><beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>>
>>Kolbers and Kolbettes:
>>
>>Once again the mighty 447 asserts its total dominance over
>>a thoroughly beaten, sniveling and craven Beauford....
>>
>>Last 5 hours -- Head temps are too high... they both climb steadily
>>at =
>>full power, reaching=20
>>400 plus in about 20 seconds... and the fan-end cylinder remains
>>hot, =
>>stabilizing
>>about 390 when one throttles back to normal (5800) cruise. Rear
>>cylinder =
>>comes=20
>>down to about 360.
>>
>>
>
>Herb & Beauford,
>
>
Herb & Beauford,
Boy, I feel really lucky with my 447! I have had nothing but good
results with it even after doing all of the rookie dumb stuff to it
in the 500 hr.'s it's been running including a prop strike.
I can just imagine your frustration on being grounded with one of the
best little airplanes there is to fly!
Too bad you don't live close by, I have a two cylinder guru as a flying
buddy who repairs snowmobiles and jetski's as well as solves all of the
local guy's problems and mistakes, mine included.
I will say something to him, but it's hard to diagnose with out seeing and
hearing it.
Terry - FireFly #95
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Relapse |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
Beauford, it needs a good Seafoam treatment :)
Seriously, have you retorqued the head bolts since the rebuild? You have to loosen
them all up, then retorque according to the bolt pattern in many of the order
catalogs.
Ralph
Original Firestar
19 years flying it
-- "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Kolbers and Kolbettes:
Once again the mighty 447 asserts its total dominance over
a thoroughly beaten, sniveling and craven Beauford....
Last 5 hours -- Head temps are too high... they both climb steadily at =
full power, reaching=20
400 plus in about 20 seconds... and the fan-end cylinder remains hot, =
stabilizing
about 390 when one throttles back to normal (5800) cruise. Rear cylinder =
comes=20
down to about 360.
Data:
-- Engine had complete top end rebuild at Lockwood 16 hours ago...new =
pistons
and rings. Has consistently run hotter since rebuild, but not this hot =
until
last five hours.
-- Swapped plug thermocouples...verified front is hot cylinder and temp =
reads accurately
-- Same jetting as always... it previously ran at 340 CHT on these same =
jets
and with needle in this same (second) notch
-- No change in prop loading... turns 6050 static, 6450 wot in flight
-- Temps remain together up to 4400 rpm...then front takes off as =
throttle
is pushed up further...eventually gets to 40 degree difference
-- Both EGT's remain normal (1020) at WOT... 1090 at cruise.=20
-- Plugs are clean and pretty...good color,slightly on light side... no =
trace=20
of excess carbon
-- Running Amsoil Saber 100 to one, but I'm mixing it at 70 to one
-- Ran a test tank of Pennzoil AC 50 to 1, no change in problem
-- All new gaskets throughout top of engine... heads and both manifolds
are torqued and re-torqued. No evidence of leakage at head or exhaust =
gaskets.
--Have not yet pulled exhaust to verify rings are free..that is next =
step, followed
by compression check.
I'm thinking air leak. Anyone have any other "hot" ideas?
Also, is there any reliable way to leak-check the case and crank
seals without tearing down the engine...? =20
Beat-up Beauford
FF#076
Brandon, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
"Roger Lee" wrote: << I also did not like the stock Mark III gear legs that
taper down from 1 3/8" to 3/4". Maybe this taper is good when you first
learn in a Kolb so if you have a really bad landing day then they will give
and not the aircraft frame. now I have 7075 aluminum 1 3/8" gear legs that
are 1 3/8" from top to bottom. if you have any severe landings the legs
don't really give much and the shock transmits to the frame. See you at MV
2006. Roger Lee >>
Roger, and Kolb Friends -
What you describe here exactly happened to me on the very first landing in
my Mark-III. (Before Norm L. taught me how to properly land a Kolb!)
Pancaked my Kolb onto the runway from about ten feet up. It was not funny.
Bent both gear legs beyond straightenability. But ... the ONLY damage was
the trashed gear legs - no damage at all to the cage.
I am glad I had the stock gear legs. I was back in the air following $60
spent on a new set of alum gear. A relatively cheap lesson learned. And if
it happens again, I'll again use the stock alum gear legs - easy to replace.
Homer designed our Kolbs this way for a good reason - bend the gear instead
of the frame!
Looking forward to seeing your massive, gnarly gear legs at MV this month!
Dennis Kirby
N93DK, "Magic Bike"
Cedar Crest, NM
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Relapse |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: EnaudZ@aol.com
check fan belt
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Relapse |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
beauford(at)tampabay.rr.c wrote:
>
> I'm thinking air leak. Anyone have any other "hot" ideas?
> Also, is there any reliable way to leak-check the case and crank
> seals without tearing down the engine...?
Beauford,
I'm pretty sure that your problem is not a leak, be it case or crank seals. A leak
should cause high exhaust gas temps. I would check the fan, like others suggested,
and after that, I would want to see the inside of the engine. Have you
asked the people that did the work on it? I've been told that excess friction
causes high CH temps, but I don't know a likely cause of that.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Relapse |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Russell <jr@rometool.com>
Hey all, I had high cht temps many years ago with a 447, this engine was
brand new out of the box, cht temps were getting close to 500 degs.
Eventually, I removed the heads to find that the head gaskets were not
there.....this little bit of higher compression created the overheating.
In cases where I thought I may have a air leak, this works great on
motorcycles or any 2 cycle, with the engine running at idle take a can
of starting fluid and spray the suspected air leak areas, the engine
will rev upon finding a leak.
John
John Jung wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>
>
> beauford(at)tampabay.rr.c wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking air leak. Anyone have any other "hot" ideas?
>> Also, is there any reliable way to leak-check the case and crank
>> seals without tearing down the engine...?
>>
>
>
> Beauford,
>
> I'm pretty sure that your problem is not a leak, be it case or crank seals. A
leak should cause high exhaust gas temps. I would check the fan, like others
suggested, and after that, I would want to see the inside of the engine. Have
you asked the people
> that did the work on it? I've been told that excess friction causes high CH
temps, but I don't know a likely cause of that.
>
> --------
> John Jung
> Firestar II N6163J
> Surprise, AZ
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32353#32353
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Relapse |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
"In cases where I thought I may have a air leak, this works great on
motorcycles or any 2 cycle, with the engine running at idle take a can
of starting fluid and spray the suspected air leak areas, the engine
will rev upon finding a leak. "
I love that! I knew that in my old ring-ding days, there was a way to check, and
you defined it! I truely hope this gives Beuford the edge he needs.
Ohio Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Relapse |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
Works on 4 cycles as well... I've used WD-40 to find leaks on Continentals
and Lycomings... Same thing happens, engine RPM increases...
DVD
do not archive
On 5/2/06, Ralph Hoover <flht99reh@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.co=
m
> >
>
> "In cases where I thought I may have a air leak, this works great on
> motorcycles or any 2 cycle, with the engine running at idle take a can
> of starting fluid and spray the suspected air leak areas, the engine
> will rev upon finding a leak. "
>
>
> I love that! I knew that in my old ring-ding days, there was a way to
> check, and you defined it! I truely hope this gives Beuford the edge he
> needs.
>
>
> Ohio Ralph
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D32374#32374
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Relapse |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jadamson" <j-adamson@tamu.edu>
Ralph Hoover wrote:
> "In cases where I thought I may have a air leak, this works great on
> motorcycles or any 2 cycle, with the engine running at idle take a can
> of starting fluid and spray the suspected air leak areas, the engine
> will rev upon finding a leak. "
>
>
>
> I love that! I knew that in my old ring-ding days, there was a way to check,
and you defined it! I truely hope this gives Beuford the edge he needs.
>
>
> Ohio Ralph
Gee, Ralph, I'da thought you'd remembered that from your "old Harley days" as well.
WD-40 or starting fluid around the intake manifold is the standard way to
check for leaks on early Evos and prior, especially the ones with the rubber
compliance boots. Oh, I forgot, you ride one of them new-fangled Twin Cams.
(Sorry, couldn't resist. :-))
John A
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
Just remember to cone off the carb(s) to keep a combustible compound from
going in the engine that way and giving a false positive. The opposite is
also true, use water or carb cleaner and listen for the engine to slow down
On 5/2/06, jadamson <j-adamson@tamu.edu> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jadamson" <j-adamson@tamu.edu>
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>
> Ralph Hoover wrote:
> > "In cases where I thought I may have a air leak, this works great on
> > motorcycles or any 2 cycle, with the engine running at idle take a can
> > of starting fluid and spray the suspected air leak areas, the engine
> > will rev upon finding a leak. "
> >
> >
> >
> > I love that! I knew that in my old ring-ding days, there was a way to
> check, and you defined it! I truely hope this gives Beuford the edge he
> needs.
> >
> >
> > Ohio Ralph
>
>
> Gee, Ralph, I'da thought you'd remembered that from your "old Harley days=
"
> as well. WD-40 or starting fluid around the intake manifold is the stand=
ard
> way to check for leaks on early Evos and prior, especially the ones with =
the
> rubber compliance boots. Oh, I forgot, you ride one of them new-fangled
> Twin Cams. (Sorry, couldn't resist. :-))
>
> John A
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Rick Girard
"Pining for a home on the Range"
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
I would personally find it interesting to hear how most of you determine if the
weather is right for flight today (or any given day). I don't believe that all
of you are as fortunate as John Houck in living in your own "Hollar" or field
attached to your residence.
My plane is hangerrd approximately 25 minutes from my home and almost every time
I lick my index finger and hold it to the air, it appears good to fly. Yet,
when I arrive at the field the sock is out straight. Go figure.
Any secrets: longer finger for greater altitude? Live closer to the airport. live
at the airport, live in the airplane. I mean here in Ohio we are sophisticated
and have "double -Doppler" Rader. that gives us....1). twice the error or
2). half the accuracy.
Any advice?
Holding an extended finger in the air Ralph of Ohio
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Go to :www.intellicast.com
Type in your zip code.
When it comes up, go to forecasts.
Click on "winds"
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Ralph Hoover wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
>
> I would personally find it interesting to hear how most of you determine if the
weather is right for flight today (or any given day). I don't believe that
all of you are as fortunate as John Houck in living in your own "Hollar" or field
attached to your residence.
>
> My plane is hangerrd approximately 25 minutes from my home and almost every time
I lick my index finger and hold it to the air, it appears good to fly. Yet,
when I arrive at the field the sock is out straight. Go figure.
>
> Any secrets: longer finger for greater altitude? Live closer to the airport.
live at the airport, live in the airplane. I mean here in Ohio we are sophisticated
and have "double -Doppler" Rader. that gives us....1). twice the error or
2). half the accuracy.
>
> Any advice?
>
>
> Holding an extended finger in the air Ralph of Ohio
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 06:53 PM 5/2/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
>
>I would personally find it interesting to hear=20
>how most of you determine if the weather is=20
>right for flight today (or any given day). I=20
>don't believe that all of you are as fortunate=20
>as John Houck in living in your own "Hollar" or=20
>field attached to your residence.
Have you ever seen a windsock at a small airport?
(Describe it as a sock flying in the air.) It
shows the direction of the wind. If the force of
the wind is strong, the sock will be
horizontal. The windsock looks like a sock
without the heel, and is mounted on a tall pole.
Possums windsock.
Materials needed:
A metal compass, protractor, paper, pencil, a store compass, ruler.
Procedure:
Using the metal compass, draw a large circle on the paper.
Use the ruler to draw vertical and horizontal
lines through the center. Mark North up , South
down, East, and West at the intersections of 90 degrees.
Use the protractor to mark off points every 30=B0 around the circle.
Point to where a variety of angles would be, such
as 30=B0, 45=B0, 60=B0, 120=B0, etc., all around the circle.
Then suspend a brick from a string (where the
brick can swing freely) over the north south line
of your circle. Measure its weight and record
(ounces). (If using metric measurements, the
weight will be in grams, and the volume will be in cubic centimeters.)
Observations: When the wind is blowing, how does
this experiment apply to an airplane?
(The air reacts against the propellers of an
airplane as they drive the plane forward, and the
reaction against the plane has two elements, one
of which lifts the plane. Can you say, and also
spell the man=92s name, "Bernoulli"? (Bernewly -- B E R N O U L L I.)
The other element, gravity, pulls it down.)
Newton=92s Third Law of Motion. (For every action
there is an equal and opposite reaction.)
Questions: Did the brick "lost weight"? No
Conclusions: If the brick passes over the 45
degree line on your circle Southeast or Southwest
=96 don=92t fly today. Mark it on your circle (Don=92t Fly Today).
That=92s how we do it.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
Ralph, The best flying weather I have found , is when there is a large high
pressure system right over where I live. I trailer to the airport, and
hate when I go to all the trouble of getting things ready and find the
wind sock straight out. So if the big H on the weather map is not over my
house I expect some wind when I get to the airport. Anyway this is my
M.O. Lanny Fetterman N598LF Firestar II
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
Bernewly gives abt 10% of the lift, Newt gives the rest. This was
fought out on another list (FLY-UL) some 5 or so years ago. Oddly.
many books and teachers actually believe ol' Bernewly does the heavy
lifting. Ain't so. { I hear a looong thread starting to unwind!}
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
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Had a visit three days ago from my buddy Kenny Rogers of Griffith GA. We =
like to get together and kick airplane tires when he is in town.
He had some video of a fly in he hosted near Atlanta and as the video =
scanned the flight line I noticed a familiar Firestar.
None other than our list buddy Possum.
Those mock jet intakes on the side of his bird make it stand out. :-)=20
Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Daniel Walter" <worrybear@verizon.net>
I know you did but I have to check, you did removed the gaskets from the
spark plugs?
Dan,
Ultrastar
Palmyra PA.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:05 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax Relapse
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Kolbers and Kolbettes:
>
> Once again the mighty 447 asserts its total dominance over
> a thoroughly beaten, sniveling and craven Beauford....
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
"Go to :www.intellicast.com
Type in your zip code.
When it comes up, go to forecasts.
Click on "winds"
Well Pastor Pike I am truly amazed. You mean you believe in "forecasters"? Scares
me Brother. A man of your upbringing should stay clear of voodoo and witchcraft!
And as For the Possum's weather vane wind sock. Shame on you Possum. You should
give me greater credit than that. I have seen this sock / brick wind system and
it only works at winds OVER 45 miles per hour! And as for that " Bernoulli"
fellow, my Mother went to school with him. And the rule you referred to is incomplete.
The actual rule states that a body in motion tends to stay in motion
until it meets an immovable object of equal or greater authority! You see, before
I began riding with hard core heavy drinking bikers I was a nuclear physicist!
E=Mc Squared here in Ohio Ralph
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
A large part of your decision will be based on your ability. YOU have to
decide if the winds are not right for you.
Wind conditions can be found on AOL, local FSS and several other sites. Just
remember the "old pilots vs bold pilots 'adage.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
"Ralph, The best flying weather I have found , is when there is a large high pressure
system right over where I live. I trailer to the airport, and
hate when I go to all the trouble of getting things ready and find the
wind sock straight out. So if the big H on the weather map is not over my
house I expect some wind when I get to the airport. Anyway this is my
M.O. Lanny Fetterman N598LF Firestar II"
Now you other posters see. Here Mr. Fetterman treated me as an adult with a degree
of respect and assumed that I could do word association. His information was
concise, diction complete and attitude not unlike one I would choose to hang
with. And NOW I will keep my eyes on the big "H" on the weather map rather than
the dag nabed brick on the wind sock compass suggested by our famous Possum.
I'll bet most of you other fliers didn't know about the big "H". Now did ya?
Ralph in an Ohio stationary front.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 08:21 PM 5/2/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
>
>And as For the Possum's weather vane wind sock. Shame on you Possum.
>You should give me greater credit than that. I have seen this sock /
>brick wind system and it only works at winds OVER 45 miles per hour!
>And as for that " Bernoulli" fellow, my Mother went to school with
>him. And the rule you referred to is incomplete
Guilty as charged - Sir
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
When I can see 2 suns and one inverted oak tree at the end of 27 from the
deck, it's safe for me to fly.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
If you have a strong need to fly you can usually dodge the worst
breezes during the early
morning and an hour before sundown.
They each have other drawbacks, the morning will give you wet feet and
possible
carb ice. The evening sun will be tough to fly into. I don't mind the
late breezes
because they are mostly horizontal and smooth, no thermals except
rollers off
hills if you are low.
-BB do not archive
On 2, May 2006, at 6:53 PM, Ralph Hoover wrote:
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
> I would personally find it interesting to hear how most of you determine
if the weather is right for flight
> My plane is hangerrd approximately 25 minutes from my home
Dear Ralph:
My situation is very similar. I'm 15 miles but it's a 30 minute drive each
way.
I find these sites very reliable in terms of short-term forecast, such as
checking just after lunch for a flight after work:
Winds aloft:
http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/weather/weatherwindstemps.cfm
Current conditions and short-term forecast:
http://usairnet.com/cgi-bin/launch/code.cgi?sta=KMTC&model=avn&state=MI&Submit=Get+Forecast
Note, in the last URL there's an airport identified, KMTC. You can replace
this with the identifier for your airport but the site doesn't recognize the
little fields like the one I fly from. This is the closest one of size,
approximately 8 miles away. I use a few others around the area as well, but
you'll get the idea.
Hope this helps,
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Ray Community Airport MI (57D)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Ralph
I just keep it to my self GO out side before holding your wet finger up
Ellery in the wind with a firestar usually
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Great WX website. Many thanks!
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
kfackler wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
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> <snip>
> Current conditions and short-term forecast:
> http://usairnet.com/ <snip>
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> -Ken Fackler
> Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
> Ray Community Airport MI (57D)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Kolbers and Kolbettes:
My sincere thanks to all who have responded generously with ideas about =
this
clear-cut instance of Austrian revenge....
Here is where it stands with regard to your suggestions...
-- The fan is OK... belt is tensioned, in good shape, and there is =
nothing foreign in the shroud
except this diabolical little motor...
-- Heads have been re-torqued twice... loosened and re-set to specs in =
proper sequence.
-- Head gasket is new and is OK... I put it there myself.
-- No washers under the plugs.
-- Ralph...this is just between us girls, but in a moment of reckless =
abandon, I actually=20
stooped to putting a goodly shot of --foam into the plug holes... =
waiting a while... taking a good
shot of --foam myself, and then running it out of the Rotax... no change =
other=20
than in my personal hydraulic habits....(3 stops on the way home... my =
rings
are free, thank you...)... "Hello, my name is Beauford, and I use =
---foam..."
-- Not sure about the internal friction angle... except that the new =
pistons were
installed by pros and they mic'd it all several times in my presence =
while they
were installing them.... who d'ya trust...?
-- I have a virtually new Bing 54 in a box...it is from a 447. I will =
install it and test run
it before surrendering.
--Will pay-up my Blue Cross, extinguish the stogie, and get a bottle of =
ether and/or WD-40=20
and sniff the seals if all else fails...
For Brother Frantz, who has 500 trouble free hours on his 447... =
Evidently mere gin and Partegas
are not enough... Whatever incense and incantations you are using, I =
want some....500 hours...?
"it just ain't natural..." as my in-laws say in South Georgia....
For Brother Gayheart... half VW's are looking better all the time... I =
would settle for 15 or 20
honest horsepower and 50 lbs of air in the tires at this juncture...and =
I'll go on another diet.=20
=20
Immediate plan: Based on input from a kind benefactor who repairs these =
contrivances for a living, I will next
unload the prop to 6250 static and revert to 50 to 1 oil mix...then hide =
and watch temps... He sez 447's are
highly sensitive to being overpropped.... mebbe I am too....
Thanks again to you all... Will advise...
Beauford
FF#076
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Most headsets have a way to adjust the sensitivities of the mikes. EX: my
pilot headsets I had to get a mike that just pluged in for a replacement.
My telex has a mike adjustment inside the earcup, some of there mikes have
the adjustment in the end of the mike boom just under the foam.
But then it is usually easier to have a matching set.
Boyd
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
If anyone is interested, I have a new DRE 6000 (maybe 4 hours?) that
I'm
probably going to sell. I have a Telex 50-D for my main headset, and their
mic sensitivities are too far apart to use the squelch effectively. If I
turn down the squelch on my DRE intercom where my Telex is set right, I have
to speak very loudly into the DRE to break the squelch. Otherwise, if I
turn it up to where the DRE is set right, almost anything breaks the squelch
on the Telex. The mic is just too hot on the Telex. For anything less than
the Telex or other high-end headsets with hot mics, the DRE would probably
work fine.
DRE said the solution would be to have two DRE6000 headsets so
they're both
matched. Since I have a boatload of money into the Telex, that's not an
option. Includes everything you get when buying brand new, including the
case and box it came in. $275, including shipping to anywhere in the conti
US.
Thanks,
J.D. Stewart
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 11:04 PM 5/2/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>Kolbers and Kolbettes:
>My sincere thanks to all who have responded generously with ideas about .
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