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1. 04:25 AM - Re: Minimum pilot weight (ElleryWeld@AOL.COM)
2. 06:13 AM - Re: Minimum pilot weight (GALEN SHIRLEY)
3. 06:15 AM - Broken Leg (Rick Pearce)
4. 06:16 AM - My Nose skid hoop (planecrazzzy)
5. 06:40 AM - Firestar Print Pictures of Weight & Balance sheet (planecrazzzy)
6. 06:42 AM - Re: Firestar Print Pictures of Weight & Balance sheet (planecrazzzy)
7. 06:49 AM - Re: cheap mototrcyle helmet (planecrazzzy)
8. 06:56 AM - Re: Minimum pilot weight (planecrazzzy)
9. 08:28 AM - Re: Slipper Clutch (John Hauck)
10. 08:37 AM - Re: My Nose skid hoop (John Hauck)
11. 08:46 AM - weight & balance (robert bean)
12. 09:05 AM - Re: My Nose skid hoop (planecrazzzy)
13. 09:17 AM - Re: Firestar Wing parts on eBay (planecrazzzy)
14. 09:34 AM - Re: My Nose skid hoop (George Alexander)
15. 09:38 AM - Re: weight & balance (John Hauck)
16. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Firestar Wing parts on eBay (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
17. 02:33 PM - Re: Rotax Relapse (Ralph Hoover)
18. 02:39 PM - Re: My Nose skid hoop (Ralph Hoover)
19. 02:49 PM - Re: WIND INDICATOR (Ralph Hoover)
20. 02:58 PM - Re: Communication (Ralph Hoover)
21. 03:20 PM - Re: My Nose skid hoop (planecrazzzy)
22. 03:39 PM - Re: Firestar Wing parts on eBay (planecrazzzy)
23. 03:59 PM - Re: Minimum pilot weight (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
24. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: Firestar Wing parts on eBay (ElleryWeld@AOL.COM)
25. 04:57 PM - symbols and numbers (Bill Vincent)
26. 07:14 PM - Re: Rotax Relapse (Bill Vincent)
27. 08:18 PM - Re: symbols and numbers (Robert Noyer)
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum pilot weight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
OK to do your weight and balance put plane in the flying attitude with no
fuel or people aboard and a scale under each wheel Left Main, Right Main,& Tail
Wheel record these weights then hang a plumb bob line even with the very front
of the nose cone and call that your Datum line and measure and record from
that line to the center of your tail wheel ,mains ,fuel ,pilot ,passenger
,parachute
The CG of a person is at the front of the stomach (navel)
add your total weights together
add your total Datum measurments together this is your arm
weight times arm equals Moment
Weight devied by moment equals CG in inches
this should tell you where your CG is but I am not sure where it should be on
a firestar 11 maybe someone else on the list can tell you the window of your
model
I hope this helps you
Ellery in original firestar
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum pilot weight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "GALEN SHIRLEY" <oneaviator@msn.com>
Ellery, Thanks for the response. I have done W & B on other planes but I
did not know where the datum point was that was established by Kolb. I got
the window percentages for the Firestar II from another member on the list.
Now I can get busy.
Thanks again
Galen
>From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Minimum pilot weight
>Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 07:21:21 EDT
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>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
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>OK to do your weight and balance put plane in the flying attitude with no
>fuel or people aboard and a scale under each wheel Left Main, Right Main,&
>Tail
>Wheel record these weights then hang a plumb bob line even with the very
>front
>of the nose cone and call that your Datum line and measure and record from
>that line to the center of your tail wheel ,mains ,fuel ,pilot ,passenger
>,parachute
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>The CG of a person is at the front of the stomach (navel)
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>add your total weights together
>add your total Datum measurments together this is your arm
>weight times arm equals Moment
>Weight devied by moment equals CG in inches
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>this should tell you where your CG is but I am not sure where it should be
>on
>a firestar 11 maybe someone else on the list can tell you the window of
>your
>model
>I hope this helps you
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>Ellery in original firestar
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com>
We welded in the new Gear socket on the Firestar 2, that my buddy =
bought down in Tulsa with a broken leg.See you don't have to shoot them =
when they break a leg :) Only caught the fabric on fire once. He decided =
to recover the fusalage after finding some of the tubes rusty under the =
fabric ,also because it was covered in aerthane vs polytone which is =
alot easier to patch. The org. builder must not have use expoy primer =
because when you pulled the fabric off all the paint would come off the =
tubing down to bare metal.That or bad metal prep.On other projects that =
I have had to recover that used Stits epoxy primer the glue joint failed =
before the primer would.
So I can get back to covering my Classic Have all the flying =
surfaces & fusalage up through taping will start covering the wings =
next. Rick Pearce Classic amphib
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| Subject: | My Nose skid hoop |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Just an update on how my nose Skid Hoop performs...
http://wingsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=174
It's been called a "monster".....But it works EXACTLY like it's supposed
to.... I'm at a new field, and it doesn't have a flat spot on it....
I Taxi'd to the hanger...after I stopped I tried to get it a little closer....
Up came the tail....It's came up before , but just slightly....This time
it touched the Hoop.....The hoop stopped it before the tail was very high
and when the tail came down, it didn't make you cringe because it didn't
hit that hard.....My Nose cone, Strobe & pitot never touched the ground.
I was going to keep it on during a "training period".....I might just
leave it on....
Yep, got a new home for my bird...Got 3 runways ( crossing each other)
And it's One GIANT , BUMPY , BOWL
Also , Cheap hanger space $45 Folded , otherwise $90 month
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Firestar Print Pictures of Weight & Balance sheet |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Here's the print...
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Print Pictures of Weight & Balance sheet |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Here's the rest of them...
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| Subject: | Re: cheap mototrcyle helmet |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Yes, U good deals... [Wink]
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum pilot weight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Their is "no" minumum pilot weight....but there's a CG range that needs
to be right.....Lighter the pilot....More weight in the nose.....
"I" weight 200 lbs , "I" have 16lbs of dead weight in the nose....to get my
CG in the "front half " of the CG RANGE
I'll move my Batt some day so I can get rid of "dead weight"
I sent the Weight & balance figures to the list for you....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN / N381PM
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| Subject: | Re: Slipper Clutch |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Will it fit the 503/B-box engines?
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| Frank Clyma
Frank/Gang:
The clutch is an integral part of the anti-torsional vibration system
for the 912 series only.
john h
mkIII
Mobile, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: My Nose skid hoop |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Creates a lot of drag doesn't it?
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | weight & balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
This spring I removed the last 15# bar of lead from the nose of my
MkIII.
I will now be able to use the vacant chamber for drug smuggling.
With zero trim on the little springy gadget, the plane is neutral at
cruise
and slightly nose high with reduced power. -not enough to change
anything.
Now to coax my lady friend into the right seat. A couple notches should
take care of her 120#.
I'll placard the plane with a "no fat chicks" sign.
-BB do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: My Nose skid hoop |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hi John,
I don't really know , I've never flown without it.....It's pretty skinny....I
wouldn't think at these speeds that it would effect anything...
I was thinking I could make a better looking one, getting the same clearance
but stretching it forward....I've seen some pictures of other peoples like that....
I've lifted the tail too many times not to have "something" up there....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN / N381PM
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> Creates a lot of drag doesn't it?
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Wing parts on eBay |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
That looks like a good deal....You could order 4 ribs from TNK and
build the 7 rib wing....
Looks like "prints and building manual" come with it
Bid I saw was $420 so far.....
Some of you guys were looking for 7 rib wings
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: My Nose skid hoop |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Alexander" <gtalexander@att.net>
Was at a flyin about 10 years ago in SE NY state when an Original FS showed up
with skid protection on his nose pod. Picture attached. Bet he didn't have
to add weight to the nose to meet his CG.
planecrazzzy wrote:
> Just an update on how my nose Skid Hoop performs...
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> http://wingsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=174
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> It's been called a "monster".....But it works EXACTLY like it's supposed
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> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: weight & balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
at
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Bob/Gang:
My mkIII is neutral in pitch trim with power off. Bring up the power
and nose up forced trim is required. All of the mkIII's I have flown
trim out about the same.
A lot of pitch change can be made by adjusting the leading edge of the
horizontal stabilizer up and down. For my mkIII, once I found the
sweet spot, I have not changed the position. Even after installing an
11 lb Maule Tundra Tailwheel, Miss P'fer still needs nose up trim for
cruise, and during power off, she rides pretty much tail low.
Never added weight to nose or tail to bring the numbers on the weight
and balance together. I figure weight and balance is done in a static
situation. In flight, a lot of things are changing on Kolbs. As long
as mine flies well, stalls nose first, has plenty of control
authority, both pitch up and down, I am happy.
Two up in mkIII's normally requires a lot of nose of pitch with power
on, and little or no nose up pitch, power off. Most of my flying is
solo, which I prefer. Airplane performs much better without the extra
load up front.
Loaded for long cross country flights, 150 lbs of fuel and 125 lbs of
gear are stowed behind the bulk head. A small amount finds it way to
the left seat, behind the left seat, and about half a dozen MRE's go
up in the nose. Takeoff weight is very close to 1,200 lbs. She flew
well with the 582, 912ul and now with the 912uls. A great little
airplane that continues to satisfy my flying requirements. Still
haven't found anything to replace her with.
john h
mkIII - 2450+ hours
912uls- 1150+ hours
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Wing parts on eBay |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
In the picture on eBay, it appeared that there are 14 full ribs, plus the
two root ribs. I asked the seller which it was. His answer was that it
could be either. The sellers response to an earlier question about the
difference between the FS I and FS II wings (drag strut, etc...) implied
that it was a FS I. Make sure you know before you buy.
Fun, Safe Flying
George Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:17 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar Wing parts on eBay
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
That looks like a good deal....You could order 4 ribs from TNK and
build the 7 rib wing....
Looks like "prints and building manual" come with it
Bid I saw was $420 so far.....
Some of you guys were looking for 7 rib wings
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Relapse |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
[quote="George Alexander"]Eugene and other interested listers....
to deal with the problem of high CHTs.
For those who are interested, you can view this record at:
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbplanes/BeaufordCHT
Fun, Safe Flying!
George Alexander
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Well, I know what the problem is. I am so surprised that all you expert engine
and Kolbers didn't pick it up real quick. One trip to view his photo's gave me
the answer..."CHEAP CIGARS"! Yep, that's it, cheap cigars. Kolbs deserve and
rightly expect quality in fuel, pilot, Oil, and flying fields. Why would they
or should they expect "CHEAP CIGARS"?
And most times we oblige them. But a cheap cigar? Unacceptable! Beauford, You change
your cigars to something of quality and that thing will run like it was
designed to do. And you can take that to the bank! Now as for adjustable wrenches
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You just need to know where to look!
Cuban smoking Ralph of Ohio!
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| Subject: | Re: My Nose skid hoop |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:37 am Post subject: My Nose skid hoop
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Creates a lot of drag doesn't it?
[Laughing] [Laughing]
Well, John, I noted some slipery playing with the boy on the 'Drag" thing. I
won't show you the picture of my firestar with mud flaps, then! Ha
Hilbilly Ralph in mud up to my ....... and my pick-up on blocks! [Twisted Evil]
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| Subject: | Re: WIND INDICATOR |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Bill,
I have to agree with you. I used to be in Astronomy and of course, the last thing
we wanted was clouds. Clouds are fliers friends because the let us know what
the movement of air is way up. Last week I was at my instructors field and the
clouds were going in two directions. And where they me was shear. Later in
the day, no clouds and the air was stable. I have been loking up and watching
the clouds a great deal more since I got into flying than any time before. The
weatherman doesn't have anything on us fliers!
Head in the clouds here in Ohio Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Communication |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Well, thanks to the kind heart of John Jung, I now have a pair of DRE-2000 headsets.
Even at list of $ 129 they would be a good deal. But John did me a deal
and I had an opertunity to use them on Saturday. To me they hear great. The mic
picks-up real well and the hear-yerself aspect is great. The noise limiting
is really good and the earcovering was comfortable. The mic stays near our lips
and the cords flex well. I don't know how much better it could have gotten.
thank you John. I would love to get a radio in as good of a deal as the headset
was.
As I examined the internet to see what John was offering me, $ 129.00 was the Best
price out there. As a matter of interest, I went to the DRE web site and talked
with them. They indicated that the DRE-2000 was no longer being made. Nothing
wrong with them just too much of a mix. They offered me a DRE-4000 for $
20.00 off the $ 149.00 price. If anyone would be interested, go to their site
call them on the phone and ask for the deal.
Now I hear ya here in Ohio, Ralph!
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| Subject: | Re: My Nose skid hoop |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hi Ralph,
Your bird is the one I've seen with the hoop sorta stretched
Forward.... But it looks like the nose would hit at the same time...?
it's unlikely that a wheel is needed up there....when the tail goes up, it's
usually stopped or very slow....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN / N381PM
PS MUD flaps....? keeps the mud off the wings ? When I was going thru
my tailwheel endorsement, the Aeronca that I was flying would sling it
all over the wings and tail ....the ground was soggy from snow melt...
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Wing parts on eBay |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
That's not just the wings....That's Kit #1......Wings AND tail stuff
Which is worth....what...$3000 or more...? maybe 38 now..?
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum pilot weight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
You can use any point on your plane for the datum point the math will always
come out the same
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Wing parts on eBay |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
That guy posted a list of parts and it looks like its just some small tail
controll linkeage parts with the wing kit But I dont see any H-Braces there
anywhere
Ellery
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| Subject: | symbols and numbers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi Gang
What's up with some of the messages coming in with symbols like equals ( =
) and various numbers through out the message. Is anyone else =
experiencing this in their Kolb e-mails?
P.S. I only see this in Kolb-List messages, not my private messages from =
friends etc.
Bill Vincent
FS II
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| Subject: | re: Rotax Relapse |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Beauford
No wonder your engine is over heating, that big 'ole BRS is blocking the =
air.
Bill Vincent
FS II
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| Subject: | Re: symbols and numbers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
Maybe dat ol' debbil HTML...or inability of some pee cees/ macs to
properly regurgitate some ascis?
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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