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1. 03:07 AM - Re: MV 2006 (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
2. 06:49 AM - Re: MV 2006 (Larry Bourne)
3. 07:04 AM - Re: MV 2006 (Roger Lee)
4. 07:06 AM - Exact length of a Firestar 11......thumbs (Gary Thacker)
5. 08:30 AM - HELP, I`m so confused (Lanny Fetterman)
6. 08:47 AM - Re: HELP, I`m so confused (HShack@aol.com)
7. 09:10 AM - Re: HELP, I`m so confused (David Lehman)
8. 10:06 AM - Re: HELP, I`m so confused (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
9. 10:28 AM - Re: Exact length of a Firestar 11......thumbs (John Jung)
10. 10:33 AM - Re: HELP, I`m so confused (David Key)
11. 10:56 AM - Help I`m so confused (Lanny Fetterman)
12. 11:02 AM - Re: HELP, I`m so confused (John Jung)
13. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: Exact length of a Firestar 11......thumbs (Gary Thacker)
14. 11:22 AM - HELP I`m so confused (Lanny Fetterman)
15. 11:48 AM - Re: Help I`m so confused (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
16. 11:48 AM - Re: HELP I`m so confused (David Lehman)
17. 11:50 AM - Re: Help I`m so confused (David Lehman)
18. 12:31 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Gasket Material ? (planecrazzzy)
19. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank Gasket Material ? (David Lehman)
20. 12:47 PM - HELP I`m so confused (Lanny Fetterman)
21. 01:00 PM - Re: HELP I`m so confused (David Lehman)
22. 01:03 PM - Re: Exact length of a Firestar 11......thumbs (planecrazzzy)
23. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: Exact length of a Firestar 11......thumbs (Gary Thacker)
24. 01:47 PM - Re: HELP I`m so confused (Wayne T. McCullough)
25. 02:53 PM - Re: HELP I`m so confused (robert bean)
26. 03:12 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank Gasket Material ? (John Hauck)
27. 03:47 PM - Re: HELP I`m so confused (Ralph)
28. 04:01 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Gasket Material ? (planecrazzzy)
29. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank Gasket Material ? (Steven Green)
30. 06:14 PM - Re: HELP I`m so confused (Wayne T. McCullough)
31. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank Gasket Material ? (LEE CREECH)
32. 07:35 PM - Vamoose (Larry Bourne)
33. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank Gasket Material ? (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
34. 08:38 PM - Re: Vamoose (jadamson)
35. 08:55 PM - Re: HELP I`m so confused (David Key)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
I am sure all that are attending MV will have a safe trip and I wish all of
you great weather for the event ( wishing I had time to make it myself )
After working on the big airliners that I have been working on lately with my
new job the More I realize how much better a Kolb is built really its kind
of scary how these big birds are built things are so delicate
and have a safe trip back home with great weather as well
I'll be looking forward to the pictures and all you guys have to say about
the MV Kolb Gathering
Ellery in Maine in a well built Firestar
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Dunno if I can speak for the others, but I'm like a little kid. Excitement
is building, anticipation the same. My living room is a mess with stuff
already being sorted and mulled over. Sigh........just 4 more days till I
leave.......after work on Wed. Lar. Do not
Archive.
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From: <ElleryWeld@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV 2006
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
>
> I am sure all that are attending MV will have a safe trip and I wish all
> of
> you great weather for the event ( wishing I had time to make it myself )
> After working on the big airliners that I have been working on lately with
> my
> new job the More I realize how much better a Kolb is built really its
> kind
> of scary how these big birds are built things are so delicate
> and have a safe trip back home with great weather as well
> I'll be looking forward to the pictures and all you guys have to say about
> the MV Kolb Gathering
>
> Ellery in Maine in a well built Firestar
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Hi Everyone,
Checked the ten day forcast. Highs are supposed to be around 83-85 and lows around
53-55. I believe this is ten degrees cooler than last year. Should make for
some nice flying weather. The people from Arizona will have to wear a jacket
in the mornings. The people from the east and north will probably think it's
summer at 55 degrees. (burrrr) LOL
Rain percentage is 10-20%, which translates out here to "no rain".
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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| Subject: | Exact length of a Firestar 11......thumbs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary Thacker" <gbthacker@hotmail.com>
Can anyone tell me the exact length of a Firestar 11?
Gary
Souderton,Pa.
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| Subject: | HELP, I`m so confused |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
Hi All, First the good news, I had my airworthiness inspection done on
Friday and passed with flying colors. Now the confusing part. I wanted to
be in the armature built category so I could do my own maintenance and
inspections. However the FAA inspector said that I would need a private
pilot license to fly the FS II if I went that route. If I wanted a private
ticket, I would have done that twenty two years ago when I started flying.
So I changed my course of action.My next choice was ELSA, He recommended
that route, however now I would need to take the 16 hour repairmen`s
course, and get what he called a ELSA pilot`s license from a flight
instructor. He felt that would take about twenty hours of instruction to
get. ( He said that a Sport Pilot license ( which I almost have) would not
qualify me to fly the FSII in that category.) The closest repairman course
I can find is in Fredricksburg Md. A three day course, three hours away for
$300.00 plus lodging. Pretty steep price to do the same things I have been
doing for the past 10 years since I built the FSII. As for the ELSA pilot
license, I don`t know how much that would cost, But I don`t think twenty
hours of instruction will be cheap, once again this is required to fly the
same aircraft I have been flying for the past ten years. I tried to find
info. on the Internet about the ELSA pilot license, since this was the
first time I had heard of it, but I found nothing. My questions are as
follows, Is what I was told accurate information? And secondly does anyone
have a ELSA pilot license that can enlighten me about that? Thank you in
advance. Lanny Fetterman N598LF P.S.
The inspector was a very nice guy and did his best to explain things to me,
however, I apparently had a lot of misconceptions.
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| Subject: | Re: HELP, I`m so confused |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 5/14/2006 11:31:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
donaho@csrlink.net writes:
Now the confusing part. I wanted to
be in the armature built category so I could do my own maintenance and
inspections. However the FAA inspector said that I would need a private
pilot license to fly the FS II if I went that route.
I'm sure that more knowledgeable folks will reply, buy I'm sure he's wrong.
We have several arouind here going that route.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Re: HELP, I`m so confused |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
The inspector is wrong... As long as the airplane meets the "Sport
Aircraft" criteria, i.e. weight, seats, fixed gear, number of engines, etc.=
,
it can be operated with a Sport Pilot or higher certificate, i.e. Private,
Commercial, etc...
DVD
On 5/14/06, HShack@aol.com <HShack@aol.com> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 5/14/2006 11:31:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> donaho@csrlink.net writes:
> Now the confusing part. I wanted to
> be in the armature built category so I could do my own maintenance and
> inspections. However the FAA inspector said that I would need a private
> pilot license to fly the FS II if I went that route.
>
> I'm sure that more knowledgeable folks will reply, buy I'm sure he's
> wrong.
> We have several arouind here going that route.
>
> Howard Shackleford
> FS II
> SC
>
>
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>
>
--
=F4=BF=F4 "Failure lies not in falling down. Failure lies in not getting u=
p."
(traditional Chinese proverb)
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| Subject: | Re: HELP, I`m so confused |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lanny Fetterman" <donaho@csrlink.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: HELP, I`m so confused
My next choice was ELSA, He recommended that route, however now I would need
to take the 16 hour repairmen`s
> course
Lanny,
Your inspector is wrong but I think has inadvertantly done you a favor.
Yes, it'll cost you $300+ to attend the repairman's course, but having your
Firestar registered as ELSA will allow whoever you sell it to to attend the
same course and do his own inspections and repair. This makes your Firestar
much more valuable when you sell it. That's the way I look at it.
He felt that would take about twenty hours of instruction to
> get. ( He said that a Sport Pilot license ( which I almost have) would not
> qualify me to fly the FSII in that category.)
I don't know where he is getting his info, but that's what the Sport Pilot's
license is all about. You don't need a Private Pilot's license to fly a
Sport Pilot eligible airplane. Sport Pilots can fly anything that meets the
ELSA criteria including Taylorcrafts, Erucoupes, etc. as long as they fit
into the Sport Pilot category and a Firestar surely does. Now there are a
couple of endorsements you may need to fly certain aircraft, e.g. over 87
knots, etc.
The closest repairman course I can find is in Fredricksburg Md. A three day
course, three hours away for
> $300.00 plus lodging.
I'm kinda in the same boat. I got my airworthiness certificate a couple of
weeks ago and need to attend the Repairman's course. The nearest one I know
of in in Riverside Calif and I live in Prescott, Az. But since the Kolb was
inspected a couple of weeks ago, I figure I don't need an annual until next
May. There are more and more Repairman's courses coming on all the time so
I'm waiting to see if someone starts one closer to me and cheaper during the
next 12 months.
As for the ELSA pilot license, I don`t know how much that would cost, But I
don`t think twenty
> hours of instruction will be cheap, once again this is required to fly the
> same aircraft I have been flying for the past ten years.
You said above that you almost have your Sport Pilot's license. I don't
know what you mean by that but here's some info for you. If you are a
registered pilot with either EAA, ASC, or USUA, all you need is a letter
from them stating you were registered before 9/04 and then you can take the
Sport Pilot written and practical tests without any further training. I've
passed the written but am taking more training because I'm not very good at
ground reference maneuvers and things like that.
If you are not registered with one of these orgainzations, then you can
still save money by registering. This is because if you arre registered
after 9/04 then you can take 17 of the required 20 hours with an Ultralight
instructor and the last three hours with a Sport Pilot instructor. This
should save you $$$ because in my experience Ultralight instruction will be
cheaper. Now I'm not 100% sure of this last bit of info, but everything
I've checked out verifies it - you need to verify it with one of the
orgainzations if this is the route you want to take.
Be aware that all of this is out the window, GONE, after January 31, 2007.
After that time everyone will have to take 20 hours minimum of instruction
from a Sport Pilot instructor.
I tried to find info. on the Internet about the ELSA pilot license, since
this was the
> first time I had heard of it, but I found nothing.
Go to Google and look up the EAA, Aero Sport Connection (ASC) or US
Ultralight Association (USUA) and you'll find info there.
Good Luck,
AzDave
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Exact length of a Firestar 11......thumbs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>From the specs on TNK website: Length 20 ft. 3 in. (22 ft. 6 in. folded)
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34549#34549
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| Subject: | HELP, I`m so confused |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
There is no such thing as an ESLA flying license.
You fly under the sport pilot license, private or higher.
ESLA or Experimental applies to the plane.
If it is ESLA then anyone can do any repairs but you have to take the
repairmans course if you want to do the annual condition inspection.
You can fly the firestar II under the sport pilot license or higher.
I think you can fly Experimental planes under the sport pilots license if
the plane qualifies as a sport pilot plane.
I hope that didn't further confuse things.
>From: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: HELP, I`m so confused
>Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:28:03 -0400
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
>
> Hi All, First the good news, I had my airworthiness inspection done on
>Friday and passed with flying colors. Now the confusing part. I wanted to
>be in the armature built category so I could do my own maintenance and
>inspections. However the FAA inspector said that I would need a private
>pilot license to fly the FS II if I went that route. If I wanted a private
>ticket, I would have done that twenty two years ago when I started flying.
>So I changed my course of action.My next choice was ELSA, He recommended
>that route, however now I would need to take the 16 hour repairmen`s
>course, and get what he called a ELSA pilot`s license from a flight
>instructor. He felt that would take about twenty hours of instruction to
>get. ( He said that a Sport Pilot license ( which I almost have) would not
>qualify me to fly the FSII in that category.) The closest repairman course
>I can find is in Fredricksburg Md. A three day course, three hours away for
>$300.00 plus lodging. Pretty steep price to do the same things I have been
>doing for the past 10 years since I built the FSII. As for the ELSA pilot
>license, I don`t know how much that would cost, But I don`t think twenty
>hours of instruction will be cheap, once again this is required to fly the
>same aircraft I have been flying for the past ten years. I tried to find
>info. on the Internet about the ELSA pilot license, since this was the
>first time I had heard of it, but I found nothing. My questions are as
>follows, Is what I was told accurate information? And secondly does anyone
>have a ELSA pilot license that can enlighten me about that? Thank you in
>advance. Lanny Fetterman N598LF P.S.
>The inspector was a very nice guy and did his best to explain things to me,
>however, I apparently had a lot of misconceptions.
>
>
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| Subject: | Help I`m so confused |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
Dave and all, I am registered as a fixed wing pilot with the ASC, I have
passed the written test for sport pilot, and thought that all I needed to
do yet is take the practical test. I hope that I am still on the correct
path, and that the inspector was in error. I just sent this to him. Hi,
NAME DELETED I found this info on the EAA website. I think this is the way
I should go, If I can. (Aircraft with a standard airworthiness certificate
that meet above specifications ( I meet these) may be flown by sport
pilots. However, the aircraft must remain in standard category and cannot
be changed to light-sport aircraft category. Holders of a sport pilot
certificate may fly an aircraft with a standard airworthiness certificate
if it meets the definition of a light-sport aircraft) If I understand this
and other statements on this webpage, I will still need the 16 hour course
to do my inspection. but I will not need any dual instruction. A sport
pilot license ( which I almost have) is all I need. I found this info at
http://www.sportpilot.org/learn/final_rule_synopsis.html Please check this
out when you have time, and get back to me. Thank you in advance for your
help. Lanny Fetterman When he replies I`ll let the list know what I
found out.
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| Subject: | Re: HELP, I`m so confused |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Here is where the confusion may have started: Once you license your Kolb as an
Experimental Aircraft, you cannot legally fly it until you have at least a Sport
Pilot license. As far as flying an experimental with a Sport Pilot license,
the inspector was either wrong or a whole lot of other people are all wrong.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34553#34553
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| Subject: | Re: Exact length of a Firestar 11......thumbs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary Thacker" <gbthacker@hotmail.com>
Yep thanks.....
Gary
Souderton,Pa.
>From: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Exact length of a Firestar 11......thumbs
>Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 10:27:03 -0700
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>
> >From the specs on TNK website: Length 20 ft. 3 in. (22 ft. 6 in.
>folded)
>
>--------
>John Jung
>Firestar II N6163J
>Surprise, AZ
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34549#34549
>
>
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| Subject: | HELP I`m so confused |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
Thanks to all that have replied, John, I have a student pilot license, so
that I can fly legally. I thought I had all the bases covered, just one
more thing that I`m confused about. I told the inspector that the FAA needs
a flow chart to help people understand this process. He agreed, but that`s
of little help since it dosen`t exist. Lanny
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
> Dave and all, I am registered as a fixed wing pilot with the ASC, I have
> passed the written test for sport pilot, and thought that all I needed to
> do yet is take the practical test.
Lanny,
Assuming you were registered fixed wing with ASC before 9/04, and I
assume you were since you've passed the written test, then you're correct..
You can just take the practical test and you'll be completely legal to fly
your FS.
I hope that I am still on the correct
> path, and that the inspector was in error.
He was in error.
>However, the aircraft must remain in standard category and cannot
> be changed to light-sport aircraft category.
I've heard some people say that they were going to get theirs registered
"Experimental - Amateur Built" so they don't have to attend the 16-hour
course, then get it changed to ELSA before they sell it. NO CAN DO! See
above.
Holders of a sport pilot
> certificate may fly an aircraft with a standard airworthiness certificate
> if it meets the definition of a light-sport aircraft) If I understand this
> and other statements on this webpage, I will still need the 16 hour course
> to do my inspection. but I will not need any dual instruction. A sport
> pilot license ( which I almost have) is all I need.
You are correct.
When he replies I`ll let the list know what I
> found out.
I think many of us will be interested in his answer.
AzDave
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: HELP I`m so confused |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
Yeah Lanny, but it will... The FAA (Flight Standards) has gone ISO
9000/QMS/ETQ and one of the basics to those alphabet processes is flow
charts... Supposedly this will have all inspectors saying the same
thing... Hmmm, do I hear an echo?... Have we heard this before and before
and before, etc...
DVD
On 5/14/06, Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
>
> Thanks to all that have replied, John, I have a student pilot license, so
> that I can fly legally. I thought I had all the bases covered, just one
> more thing that I`m confused about. I told the inspector that the FAA
> needs
> a flow chart to help people understand this process. He agreed, but that`=
s
> of little help since it dosen`t exist. Lanny
>
>
=
=
=
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>
>
--
=F4=BF=F4 "Failure lies not in falling down. Failure lies in not getting u=
p."
(traditional Chinese proverb)
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| Subject: | Re: Help I`m so confused |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
Lanny, maybe I'm missing something here... If you're talking Kolb, it's no=
t
"Standard Category"... The Kolb can only be Experimantal Light Sport,
Experimantal Amateur-Built, or Experimental Exhibition...
DVD
On 5/14/06, Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
>
> Dave and all, I am registered as a fixed wing pilot with the ASC, I have
> passed the written test for sport pilot, and thought that all I needed to
> do yet is take the practical test. I hope that I am still on the correct
> path, and that the inspector was in error. I just sent this to him. Hi,
> NAME DELETED I found this info on the EAA website. I think this is the
> way
> I should go, If I can. (Aircraft with a standard airworthiness certificat=
e
> that meet above specifications ( I meet these) may be flown by sport
> pilots. However, the aircraft must remain in standard category and cannot
> be changed to light-sport aircraft category. Holders of a sport pilot
> certificate may fly an aircraft with a standard airworthiness certificate
> if it meets the definition of a light-sport aircraft) If I understand thi=
s
> and other statements on this webpage, I will still need the 16 hour cours=
e
> to do my inspection. but I will not need any dual instruction. A sport
> pilot license ( which I almost have) is all I need. I found this info at
> http://www.sportpilot.org/learn/final_rule_synopsis.html Please check thi=
s
> out when you have time, and get back to me. Thank you in advance for your
> help. Lanny Fetterman When he replies I`ll let the list know what I
> found out.
>
>
=
=
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Guys,
Here's a few pictures of what I've got so far....
I didn't like the way the concave seal was turning out...
So I went for flat Washers.... I'm gonna "groove" them later to get the
Fuel pick-up as low as possible....
I also went with 8 screws instead of 6....
BUT.... I "STILL" am looking for some kind of gasket material that can be
used with gasoline.....The Silicones that I've read say "NO Gasoline"
I'm wondering about cork....?
Well,
Here's a few pictures...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
Cork's good...
DVD
On 5/14/06, planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey Guys,
> Here's a few pictures of what I've got so far....
>
> I didn't like the way the concave seal was turning out...
>
> So I went for flat Washers.... I'm gonna "groove" them later to get the
>
> Fuel pick-up as low as possible....
>
> I also went with 8 screws instead of 6....
>
> BUT.... I "STILL" am looking for some kind of gasket material that can be
>
> used with gasoline.....The Silicones that I've read say "NO Gasoline"
>
> I'm wondering about cork....?
>
> Well,
> Here's a few pictures...
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
>
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| Subject: | HELP I`m so confused |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
OK Let me try to pinpoint my question, Can anyone point me to a statement
that will tell me what class my Firestar II needs it`s airworthiness
certification in, so that I can fly it with a sport pilot license. The
airworthiness certificate has not been issued yet and I don`t want to be
locked in the wrong category. I will take the repairman course if need be.
It`s the dual instruction I feel is overkill since I have several hundred
hours flying ultralights. 54 of those hours in the Kolb, Lanny
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
Lanny, I already gave them to you...
Experimental Light Sport, Experimental Amateur-Built, or Experimental
Exhibition (you don't want this one)...
DVD
On 5/14/06, Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
>
> OK Let me try to pinpoint my question, Can anyone point me to a statement
> that will tell me what class my Firestar II needs it`s airworthiness
> certification in, so that I can fly it with a sport pilot license. The
> airworthiness certificate has not been issued yet and I don`t want to be
> locked in the wrong category. I will take the repairman course if need be=
.
> It`s the dual instruction I feel is overkill since I have several hundred
> hours flying ultralights. 54 of those hours in the Kolb, Lanny
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Exact length of a Firestar 11......thumbs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Here's "all" the spec's
http://www.tnkolbaircraft.com/firestar_specs.pdf
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary Thacker" <gbthacker@hotmail.com>
Thanks. For some unknown reason I had a hard time findin the specs. Kinda
makes me wonder if I should still be flyin. LOL
Gary
Souderton,Pa.
>From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Exact length of a Firestar 11......thumbs
>Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 13:03:21 -0700
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
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>Here's "all" the spec's
>
>http://www.tnkolbaircraft.com/firestar_specs.pdf
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> Gotta Fly...
>Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: HELP I`m so confused |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough" <blackbird754@alltel.net>
Ok guys,
I am building my Kolbra .....It will be in the experimental -amateur-built
category......I have assembled this aircraft and have the logbook and pics
to prove it.............I will be filling out the repairman
certificate......I will be doing the yearly inspections on this aircraft
Legally........I will be flying with a sport-pilot liscense.............I
will NOT be registering this aircraft as an LSA...............
To recieve an airworthiness certificate there is a guideline for paperwork,
and placards........This THING may look like an aircraft, but only the
designer and builder can sign-off and STATE that it will fly......The
airworthiness is the form that makes this LEGAL in the FAA's
eyes................
A gyro friend of mine had an airworthiness certificate for a Engine
stand......LOL.....when the inspector (FAA) stated that it would not fly and
refused to give it one........My friend asked what his name was to be put on
the designer listing for it.....He refused to have it stated.......BUT,
issued the airworthiness anyway.....He had to ....it is his job..........AND
it was for free........My friend had to just make an
appointment......LOL.....
True story,
By the way,
I am an EAA chapter president and stay well informed on these paperwork
matters....
What's you guys opinions?....LOL.....I read this list 3 times a
day...........
Wayne McCullough
Kolbra # 004
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HELP I`m so confused
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
>
> Lanny, I already gave them to you...
>
> Experimental Light Sport, Experimental Amateur-Built, or Experimental
> Exhibition (you don't want this one)...
>
> DVD
>
> On 5/14/06, Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
>>
>> OK Let me try to pinpoint my question, Can anyone point me to a statement
>> that will tell me what class my Firestar II needs it`s airworthiness
>> certification in, so that I can fly it with a sport pilot license. The
>> airworthiness certificate has not been issued yet and I don`t want to be
>> locked in the wrong category. I will take the repairman course if need
>> be=
> .
>> It`s the dual instruction I feel is overkill since I have several hundred
>> hours flying ultralights. 54 of those hours in the Kolb, Lanny
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> =
>
> =
>
> =
>
> =
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> =F4=BF=F4 "Failure lies not in falling down. Failure lies in not getting
> u=
> p."
> (traditional Chinese proverb)
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
There appears to be some confuzzion on all the new LSA/Sport Pilot
issues,
Including a few geriatric FAA employees.
Let's sort some things out.
First do not confuse Sport Pilot and LSA. Two different issues.
Correct me if I am wrong. You can still get issued a repairman's
certificate for an experimental amateur built homebuilt that YOU
are the manufacturer of??????? Or until some dropdead date?
Advantage for going the ELSA route is that it can be inspected
by someone certificated as a repairman for that make and model?
Advantage for staying with Experimental Amateur Built is that
you can continue to modify it with only subsequent "test periods"
to sustain airworthiness conditions. This is more important
to some builders than others. The initials R.P. come to mind.
I foresee much puzzlement.
-BB do not archive
On 14, May 2006, at 4:44 PM, Wayne T. McCullough wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough"
> <blackbird754@alltel.net>
>
> Ok guys,
>
>
> I am building my Kolbra .....It will be in the experimental
> -amateur-built
> category......I have assembled this aircraft and have the logbook and
> pics
> to prove it.............I will be filling out the repairman
> certificate......I will be doing the yearly inspections on this
> aircraft
> Legally........I will be flying with a sport-pilot
> liscense.............I
> will NOT be registering this aircraft as an LSA...............
>
>
> To recieve an airworthiness certificate there is a guideline for
> paperwork,
> and placards........This THING may look like an aircraft, but only the
> designer and builder can sign-off and STATE that it will fly......The
> airworthiness is the form that makes this LEGAL in the FAA's
> eyes................
>
> A gyro friend of mine had an airworthiness certificate for a Engine
> stand......LOL.....when the inspector (FAA) stated that it would not
> fly and
> refused to give it one........My friend asked what his name was to be
> put on
> the designer listing for it.....He refused to have it stated.......BUT,
> issued the airworthiness anyway.....He had to ....it is his
> job..........AND
> it was for free........My friend had to just make an
> appointment......LOL.....
>
>
> True story,
>
> By the way,
>
> I am an EAA chapter president and stay well informed on these paperwork
> matters....
> What's you guys opinions?....LOL.....I read this list 3 times a
> day...........
>
>
> Wayne McCullough
> Kolbra # 004
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HELP I`m so confused
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman"
>> <david@davidlehman.net>
>>
>> Lanny, I already gave them to you...
>>
>> Experimental Light Sport, Experimental Amateur-Built, or Experimental
>> Exhibition (you don't want this one)...
>>
>> DVD
>>
>> On 5/14/06, Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
>>>
>>> OK Let me try to pinpoint my question, Can anyone point me to a
>>> statement
>>> that will tell me what class my Firestar II needs it`s airworthiness
>>> certification in, so that I can fly it with a sport pilot license.
>>> The
>>> airworthiness certificate has not been issued yet and I don`t want
>>> to be
>>> locked in the wrong category. I will take the repairman course if
>>> need
>>> be=
>> .
>>> It`s the dual instruction I feel is overkill since I have several
>>> hundred
>>> hours flying ultralights. 54 of those hours in the Kolb, Lanny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> =
>>
>> =
>>
>> =
>>
>> =
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> =F4=BF=F4 "Failure lies not in falling down. Failure lies in not
>> getting
>> u=
>> p."
>> (traditional Chinese proverb)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Gasket Material ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
the
|
| Fuel pick-up as low as possible....
| |
| Gotta Fly...
| Mike in MN
Mike/Gang:
Everybody wants to do it their way, and I understand that. However,
there is another solution to installing outlets in the bottom of
plastic tanks, which I am assuming you are doing.
It is a very simple metal elbow and a neoprene washer that pushes into
a hole drilled into the bottom of the plastic tank. They work very
well, last for years. I have some in a 15 gal plastic gas tank I used
for hauling fuel for my FS 20 years ago. It is still usable.
Compared to the hardware you have come up with it weighs next to
nothing for a set of two for two tanks.
I am sure Travis, at Kolb, has them in stock. Tell him hauck sent
you. Will not help, but tell him anyhow.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
BB, the problem with registering the aircraft ELSA, is that it needs to be inspected
by a Light Sport DAR. The traditional DAR's cannot inspect it unless they
have been endorsed to do so. There are not many LSA inspectors around the country
and it would cost more to have the LSA DAR to come and inspect it.
Ralph
-- robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
There appears to be some confuzzion on all the new LSA/Sport Pilot
issues,
Including a few geriatric FAA employees.
Let's sort some things out.
First do not confuse Sport Pilot and LSA. Two different issues.
Correct me if I am wrong. You can still get issued a repairman's
certificate for an experimental amateur built homebuilt that YOU
are the manufacturer of??????? Or until some dropdead date?
Advantage for going the ELSA route is that it can be inspected
by someone certificated as a repairman for that make and model?
Advantage for staying with Experimental Amateur Built is that
you can continue to modify it with only subsequent "test periods"
to sustain airworthiness conditions. This is more important
to some builders than others. The initials R.P. come to mind.
I foresee much puzzlement.
-BB do not archive
On 14, May 2006, at 4:44 PM, Wayne T. McCullough wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough"
> <blackbird754@alltel.net>
>
> Ok guys,
>
>
> I am building my Kolbra .....It will be in the experimental
> -amateur-built
> category......I have assembled this aircraft and have the logbook and
> pics
> to prove it.............I will be filling out the repairman
> certificate......I will be doing the yearly inspections on this
> aircraft
> Legally........I will be flying with a sport-pilot
> liscense.............I
> will NOT be registering this aircraft as an LSA...............
>
>
> To recieve an airworthiness certificate there is a guideline for
> paperwork,
> and placards........This THING may look like an aircraft, but only the
> designer and builder can sign-off and STATE that it will fly......The
> airworthiness is the form that makes this LEGAL in the FAA's
> eyes................
>
> A gyro friend of mine had an airworthiness certificate for a Engine
> stand......LOL.....when the inspector (FAA) stated that it would not
> fly and
> refused to give it one........My friend asked what his name was to be
> put on
> the designer listing for it.....He refused to have it stated.......BUT,
> issued the airworthiness anyway.....He had to ....it is his
> job..........AND
> it was for free........My friend had to just make an
> appointment......LOL.....
>
>
> True story,
>
> By the way,
>
> I am an EAA chapter president and stay well informed on these paperwork
> matters....
> What's you guys opinions?....LOL.....I read this list 3 times a
> day...........
>
>
> Wayne McCullough
> Kolbra # 004
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HELP I`m so confused
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman"
>> <david@davidlehman.net>
>>
>> Lanny, I already gave them to you...
>>
>> Experimental Light Sport, Experimental Amateur-Built, or Experimental
>> Exhibition (you don't want this one)...
>>
>> DVD
>>
>> On 5/14/06, Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
>>>
>>> OK Let me try to pinpoint my question, Can anyone point me to a
>>> statement
>>> that will tell me what class my Firestar II needs it`s airworthiness
>>> certification in, so that I can fly it with a sport pilot license.
>>> The
>>> airworthiness certificate has not been issued yet and I don`t want
>>> to be
>>> locked in the wrong category. I will take the repairman course if
>>> need
>>> be=
>> .
>>> It`s the dual instruction I feel is overkill since I have several
>>> hundred
>>> hours flying ultralights. 54 of those hours in the Kolb, Lanny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> =
>>
>> =
>>
>> =
>>
>> =
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> =F4=BF=F4 "Failure lies not in falling down. Failure lies in not
>> getting
>> u=
>> p."
>> (traditional Chinese proverb)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
John Hauck wrote:
>
> It is a very simple metal elbow and a neoprene washer that pushes into
> a hole drilled into the bottom of the plastic tank. They work very
> well, last for years.
> john h
> mkIII
Hi John,
Those fittings were talked about before....what we didn't like about
them is they don't drain "all" the fuel / water / debris ...
They stick up from the bottom of the tank aprox 3/8"
I'd rather just put a gasotator on to filter and Drain/Check the fuel/water....without
anything accumulating in the tanks....
Gotta Fly...
Mike
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
Try some of the following links for materials compatability.
Steven
http://www.quickcutgasket.com/chemicalresistance.html
http://www.rfcarlson.com/RFC_%20Chemical%20Compatibility%20Chart.htm
http://www.oringsusa.com/html/fluid_compatability_of_o-rings.html
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough" <blackbird754@alltel.net>
You can be the manufacturer or assemble a Kit under the 51 % rule...
AND YOU can do the yearly conditional inspections....
ELSA aircraft and LSA aircraft have their own set of rules respectively and
Ralph is CORRECT in that there are not many LSA inspectors out there
yet.....
Eaa national web site has great information, along with AOPA ...
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HELP I`m so confused
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
>
> BB, the problem with registering the aircraft ELSA, is that it needs to be
> inspected by a Light Sport DAR. The traditional DAR's cannot inspect it
> unless they have been endorsed to do so. There are not many LSA inspectors
> around the country and it would cost more to have the LSA DAR to come and
> inspect it.
>
> Ralph
>
> -- robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> There appears to be some confuzzion on all the new LSA/Sport Pilot
> issues,
> Including a few geriatric FAA employees.
>
> Let's sort some things out.
> First do not confuse Sport Pilot and LSA. Two different issues.
>
> Correct me if I am wrong. You can still get issued a repairman's
> certificate for an experimental amateur built homebuilt that YOU
> are the manufacturer of??????? Or until some dropdead date?
>
> Advantage for going the ELSA route is that it can be inspected
> by someone certificated as a repairman for that make and model?
>
> Advantage for staying with Experimental Amateur Built is that
> you can continue to modify it with only subsequent "test periods"
> to sustain airworthiness conditions. This is more important
> to some builders than others. The initials R.P. come to mind.
>
> I foresee much puzzlement.
> -BB do not archive
> On 14, May 2006, at 4:44 PM, Wayne T. McCullough wrote:
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough"
>> <blackbird754@alltel.net>
>>
>> Ok guys,
>>
>>
>> I am building my Kolbra .....It will be in the experimental
>> -amateur-built
>> category......I have assembled this aircraft and have the logbook and
>> pics
>> to prove it.............I will be filling out the repairman
>> certificate......I will be doing the yearly inspections on this
>> aircraft
>> Legally........I will be flying with a sport-pilot
>> liscense.............I
>> will NOT be registering this aircraft as an LSA...............
>>
>>
>> To recieve an airworthiness certificate there is a guideline for
>> paperwork,
>> and placards........This THING may look like an aircraft, but only the
>> designer and builder can sign-off and STATE that it will fly......The
>> airworthiness is the form that makes this LEGAL in the FAA's
>> eyes................
>>
>> A gyro friend of mine had an airworthiness certificate for a Engine
>> stand......LOL.....when the inspector (FAA) stated that it would not
>> fly and
>> refused to give it one........My friend asked what his name was to be
>> put on
>> the designer listing for it.....He refused to have it stated.......BUT,
>> issued the airworthiness anyway.....He had to ....it is his
>> job..........AND
>> it was for free........My friend had to just make an
>> appointment......LOL.....
>>
>>
>> True story,
>>
>> By the way,
>>
>> I am an EAA chapter president and stay well informed on these paperwork
>> matters....
>> What's you guys opinions?....LOL.....I read this list 3 times a
>> day...........
>>
>>
>> Wayne McCullough
>> Kolbra # 004
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
>> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HELP I`m so confused
>>
>>
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman"
>>> <david@davidlehman.net>
>>>
>>> Lanny, I already gave them to you...
>>>
>>> Experimental Light Sport, Experimental Amateur-Built, or Experimental
>>> Exhibition (you don't want this one)...
>>>
>>> DVD
>>>
>>> On 5/14/06, Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
>>>>
>>>> OK Let me try to pinpoint my question, Can anyone point me to a
>>>> statement
>>>> that will tell me what class my Firestar II needs it`s airworthiness
>>>> certification in, so that I can fly it with a sport pilot license.
>>>> The
>>>> airworthiness certificate has not been issued yet and I don`t want
>>>> to be
>>>> locked in the wrong category. I will take the repairman course if
>>>> need
>>>> be=
>>> .
>>>> It`s the dual instruction I feel is overkill since I have several
>>>> hundred
>>>> hours flying ultralights. 54 of those hours in the Kolb, Lanny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> =
>>>
>>> =
>>>
>>> =
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>>> =
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> =F4=BF=F4 "Failure lies not in falling down. Failure lies in not
>>> getting
>>> u=
>>> p."
>>> (traditional Chinese proverb)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Gasket Material ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "LEE CREECH" <dcreech3@hotmail.com>
Another point is that when they do begin to leak, it creates a messy,
unpleasant and potentially dangerous situation. After I learned this from
experience, I plumbed my new tanks from the top, they way they set up the
new ones. Why make holes in the bottom of your tanks when you don't have
to?
Lee in Ky
Firestar II
>From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel Tank Gasket Material ?
>Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 16:00:11 -0700
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>
>
>John Hauck wrote:
> > |
> >
> > It is a very simple metal elbow and a neoprene washer that pushes into
> > a hole drilled into the bottom of the plastic tank. They work very
> > well, last for years.
> > john h
> > mkIII
>
>
> Hi John,
> Those fittings were talked about before....what we didn't
>like about them is they don't drain "all" the fuel / water / debris ...
>They stick up from the bottom of the tank aprox 3/8"
>
> I'd rather just put a gasotator on to filter and Drain/Check the
>fuel/water....without anything accumulating in the tanks....
>
> Gotta Fly...
>Mike
>
>--------
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.Do not archive
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34596#34596
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Got good news and bad news. Good news is that the redrive is installed =
and all hooked up, just a few minutes ago. Spent most of the day =
putting the camper back on the truck, and doing some wiring on it.
Now, it looks like I've got battery problems. Is there any end to this =
stuff ?? Battery's only been sitting a few weeks, and it won't quite =
turn the engine over. Phooey ! ! ! I may have time to fool with it =
tomorrow after work, but the priority is going to be loading the camper =
for the trip to MV. I'll be leaving Wed. after work, and picking my =
cousin up in Phoenix on Thurs. morning, then bringing him to MV. See =
y'all there. Lar. Do not Archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Gasket Material ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
I have been using the same fittings that John Hauck is talking about for 15
years in the bottom of my tank and I never had one start leaking yet and I
have a tank that has a bubble in the bottom where I put it so I get a good taste
of water on my preflight once in a while ( I hate it when it doesnt warn me
when the gas starts to get on my toung ) but I got all the water out snip snip
Ellery in Maine a long way from anywhere
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jadamson" <j-adamson@tamu.edu>
Answer: Nope. Always something. If a weak battery's the worst that happens,
tho, you got it about whipped! Keep the faith .. & y'all have fun at MV.
~ja
biglar wrote:
> Got good news and bad news. .... Is there any end to this stuff ?? ....
Lar. Do not Archive.
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| Subject: | Re: HELP I`m so confused |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
inspected by someone certificated as a repairman for that make and model?
Wrong, it must be the owner of the plane.
>From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HELP I`m so confused
>Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 17:51:14 -0400
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
>There appears to be some confuzzion on all the new LSA/Sport Pilot
>issues,
>Including a few geriatric FAA employees.
>
>Let's sort some things out.
>First do not confuse Sport Pilot and LSA. Two different issues.
>
>Correct me if I am wrong. You can still get issued a repairman's
>certificate for an experimental amateur built homebuilt that YOU
>are the manufacturer of??????? Or until some dropdead date?
>
>Advantage for going the ELSA route is that it can be inspected
>by someone certificated as a repairman for that make and model?
>
>Advantage for staying with Experimental Amateur Built is that
>you can continue to modify it with only subsequent "test periods"
>to sustain airworthiness conditions. This is more important
>to some builders than others. The initials R.P. come to mind.
>
>I foresee much puzzlement.
>-BB do not archive
>On 14, May 2006, at 4:44 PM, Wayne T. McCullough wrote:
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne T. McCullough"
> > <blackbird754@alltel.net>
> >
> > Ok guys,
> >
> >
> > I am building my Kolbra .....It will be in the experimental
> > -amateur-built
> > category......I have assembled this aircraft and have the logbook and
> > pics
> > to prove it.............I will be filling out the repairman
> > certificate......I will be doing the yearly inspections on this
> > aircraft
> > Legally........I will be flying with a sport-pilot
> > liscense.............I
> > will NOT be registering this aircraft as an LSA...............
> >
> >
> > To recieve an airworthiness certificate there is a guideline for
> > paperwork,
> > and placards........This THING may look like an aircraft, but only the
> > designer and builder can sign-off and STATE that it will fly......The
> > airworthiness is the form that makes this LEGAL in the FAA's
> > eyes................
> >
> > A gyro friend of mine had an airworthiness certificate for a Engine
> > stand......LOL.....when the inspector (FAA) stated that it would not
> > fly and
> > refused to give it one........My friend asked what his name was to be
> > put on
> > the designer listing for it.....He refused to have it stated.......BUT,
> > issued the airworthiness anyway.....He had to ....it is his
> > job..........AND
> > it was for free........My friend had to just make an
> > appointment......LOL.....
> >
> >
> > True story,
> >
> > By the way,
> >
> > I am an EAA chapter president and stay well informed on these paperwork
> > matters....
> > What's you guys opinions?....LOL.....I read this list 3 times a
> > day...........
> >
> >
> > Wayne McCullough
> > Kolbra # 004
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HELP I`m so confused
> >
> >
> >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman"
> >> <david@davidlehman.net>
> >>
> >> Lanny, I already gave them to you...
> >>
> >> Experimental Light Sport, Experimental Amateur-Built, or Experimental
> >> Exhibition (you don't want this one)...
> >>
> >> DVD
> >>
> >> On 5/14/06, Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lanny Fetterman <donaho@csrlink.net>
> >>>
> >>> OK Let me try to pinpoint my question, Can anyone point me to a
> >>> statement
> >>> that will tell me what class my Firestar II needs it`s airworthiness
> >>> certification in, so that I can fly it with a sport pilot license.
> >>> The
> >>> airworthiness certificate has not been issued yet and I don`t want
> >>> to be
> >>> locked in the wrong category. I will take the repairman course if
> >>> need
> >>> be=
> >> .
> >>> It`s the dual instruction I feel is overkill since I have several
> >>> hundred
> >>> hours flying ultralights. 54 of those hours in the Kolb, Lanny
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> =
> >>
> >> =
> >>
> >> =
> >>
> >> =
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> =F4=BF=F4 "Failure lies not in falling down. Failure lies in not
> >> getting
> >> u=
> >> p."
> >> (traditional Chinese proverb)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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