---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/17/06: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:23 AM - Re: Re: Personalized "Kolb list" (Matt) (pat ladd) 2. 03:23 AM - Re: Re: 2003 Mark III For Sale (pat ladd) 3. 04:10 AM - Re: MV 2006 and question from Japan (Mike Schnabel) 4. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: landing in the Oregon Outback! (Mike Schnabel) 5. 04:53 AM - Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! (Ralph Hoover) 6. 05:31 AM - Re: Angle of the Dangle... (N27SB@aol.com) 7. 05:43 AM - Re: Angle of the Dangle... (David Lehman) 8. 06:09 AM - Re: MV 2006 and question from Japan (Larry Bourne) 9. 06:12 AM - Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! (Denny Rowe) 10. 06:38 AM - Re: MV 2006 and question from Japan (Robert Laird) 11. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! (Robert Laird) 12. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: landing in the Oregon Outback! (George E. Thompson) 13. 09:23 AM - For Sale: - KOLB FIRESTAR KXP WITH NEW 24' ENCLOSED TRAILER (Todd Potter) 14. 09:25 AM - (jhauck@elmore.rr.com) 15. 10:12 AM - Re: 2003 Mark III For Sale (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL) 16. 10:37 AM - Re: 2003 Mark III For Sale (Ralph Hoover) 17. 04:23 PM - test (possums) 18. 04:55 PM - Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" (possums) 19. 05:22 PM - Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" (possums) 20. 05:27 PM - best prices on the web!RX2006 (prozac7674) 21. 05:53 PM - Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" (Beauford) 22. 06:43 PM - Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" (Eugene Zimmerman) 23. 07:11 PM - Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" (possums) 24. 07:22 PM - Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" (possums) 25. 07:39 PM - Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" (Possum) 26. 07:39 PM - Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" (Robert Noyer) 27. 07:43 PM - Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" (robert bean) 28. 08:32 PM - Re: Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" (possums) 29. 08:47 PM - Re: Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" (possums) 30. 09:41 PM - Re: Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" (Robert Noyer) 31. 09:59 PM - Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" (Kirk Smith) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:22 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Personalized "Kolb list" (Matt) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" I hope none of you guys chased away my identical twin brother Patt Ladd!>> Oh Ralph, such heart, such caring. (Wipes away a silent tear) Pat do not archive -- Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 11/05/2006 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:52 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 2003 Mark III For Sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" Bob, That is an admirable thing you do for your loved ones>> It surely is Can`t you convince the guy to elope with your daughter and you give him half of what the wedding will cost. Got to be good business. Pat do not archive -- Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 11/05/2006 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:03 AM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV 2006 and question from Japan --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel Thank you both Richard and Larry! I have to admit, i am not so good at the archives myself, and to be honest did not think to search there for my request. I appreciate both your efforts to help me out. I have sent a message to Sada, hopefully he will write back. I will keep you all posted! Mike S Mancester TN (Via Yokohama Japan) Firestar 2 503 (I forgot this eariler, sure glad all the watchdogs are off to MV and did not catch my boo boo!) DO NOT ARCHIVE Richard Pike wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Found him in the archives, his name is apparently Sada, his email is apparently phoenix@ja2.so-net.ne.jp Good luck Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Larry Bourne wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > There was a post-er from Japan some time ago........several years ?? Not > sure how to look for him, but maybe an inspired search of the archives, or > possibly someone remembers more clearly ?? Lar. > Do not Archive. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Schnabel" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV 2006 and question from Japan > > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel >> >> Good morning gang, >> >> Sounds like everyone is gearing up for a great visit to MV, I hope maybe >> i can swing the vacation time to visit myself next year, The stories and >> the pictures make it sound like an amazing place to visit! >> >> But for this year i am stuck on a work assignment for the next month or >> so in Japan so can only dream about flying for now, Which leads to my >> question, does anyone know of any Kolb or other ultralight flyiers here in >> Japan? I have been searching for some places they might fly from with no >> luck so far. But i am sure that anywhere there is a sky to look up at >> there are wistful souls yearning to fly! I will keep on trying. If i find >> any i will send some photos. >> >> To all heading to MV or any destination, fly and drive safely and have a >> great time! And please share your adventures when you return! >> >> Mike S >> Manchester, TN >> Firestar 2 503 >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call >> rates. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:24 AM PST US From: Mike Schnabel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: landing in the Oregon Outback! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel Great story Ray, love reading what you share... I cant imagine anyone not wanting to hear of such interesting experiences! thank yo for sharing with us! Mike S Manchester TN (via Yokohama Japan) Firestar 2 503 do not archive ray anderson wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson Larry, Your story took my memory back about 68 or 69 years when a similar incident happened to me. I had just learned to fly about a year before and had bought one of the Curtiss Wright Jr. planes my instructor had. ( either $225 or $250.) It was a two place pusher with pretty much the same configuration as a Kolb. Had a 39.5 ft. wingspan and a 45 hp 3 cyl. Szekley motor. Had mica plugs but it was at the height of the great depression and when I had to replace them, I fudged and replaced with conventional ceramic auto plugs. Worked fine until one day while playing around, I got quite a bit of altitude when I arrived back at my home field, a fairly short dirt strip. Being a newly hatched pilot, I closed the throttle and spiraled down, never clearing the motor, arrived over the approach end a little high but thought I could make it. As the 39 ft wing refused to settle, I saw I had to go around, and opened the throttle suddenly. The ceramic plugs had cooled off and the sudden burst of power blew the ceramic section out of four plugs instantly (dual ign.). I was floating along by then about 10 feet high over the far end of the strip. The old Szekley was running fine on one cylinder, going pop - chug, chug, pop-chug, chug. Every thing in front of me was scrub brush about 5 - 6 feet tall and I was at 10 feet. The Szekley kept running with pop - chug, chug for about a quarter mile when I came to a cotton field that had been picked, but the rows were parallel to my flight, and at 10 feet I didn't dare make a right hand turn. I closed the throttle, now wide open, and let it settle in. I bounced across a couple of rows and then the wheels caught a furrow and I started up on it's nose. It went totally vertical with me staring at the ground a couple of feet in front of my face. It hung there vertical with me pushing back against the seat as hard as I could, balanced there for about 4 - 5 seconds and plopped back down on the tail skid (no wheel). I went into town and bought 4 more auto plugs, with help pushed it up to the end of the field, turned down the rows, cranked up and flew it out and back to the field. Just a tiny bit of paint off the nose cone. Never again let the motor cool off on a long descent. No more troubles. Not exactly the same as your incident but close. Anyhow, now at 88 years, I am nostalgic about my good old days at 17 - 18 years old with no FAA. Just Dept. of Commerce who only had one inspector covering the states of S.C., N.C. and part of Va. Yes this is long, but bear with and old, old man. Ray UltraStar--TN Do not archive Larry Cottrell wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" Thanks guys for the sympathy, and the kindness that managed to overlook the mistakes that were made. There were mistakes in judgement that could have added up to serious problems in any other type of plane. I am a firm believer that the Kolb is indeed one of the safest planes flying. However I cannot say anything good about alum gear legs. :-) I was aware of the possible consequences of each judgement at the time that I made them and accepted the risk. This time I was on the recieving end and I don't have any problems with that. I am not having any problems with depression either. I am anxious to get the time to repair her and do not feel that the plane or the engine let me down. There was a post not too long ago admonishing people to secure their spark plug caps, and I intended to do that when I did my annual. Then the emergency situation (to me) came up and that went out the window. My judgement, my risk! No regrets! The only thing that I could find wrong or out of place was the spark plug cap. If there is 38 HP with two cylinders firing. ( I have a silencer that is supposed to rob two of the 40 reported HP) When there is only one left and it is dragging the unfiring cylinder, that is going to be somewhere less than half the HP left. I have of course been chasing this around in my head since the landing. In truth I didn't try too hard to try to fly it somewhere else. In front was definately out as the terrain was rising and there was a canyon with some pretty steep sides. If I had made a turn to the right, and I could have limped to a two track that I did not know at the time was there, I would have been a lot better off. However at the altitude that I was at, that patch of grass looked really good. If you stick it in the sage ( two foot high) it is guarenteed that you are going to flip it. I have managed to convince myself that I made the only decision possible, that my odds of being a lot worse off would have increased with trying to turn, hoping that I could stay airborne long enough to get to somewhere better. As for Monument Valley, I am afraid that I am going to have to take a raincheck this year. I am busier than a one armed paper hanger at the moment. George remind me to tell you about my pet rabbit that I had in Alaska. I personally think it is better than the one about the sentry dog. It is true as well! The new runway is all ready, or will be by the time MV is over. You all come visit after ward. N42 40.751 W117 51.673 This will be my last post for a while as the computer will be boxed up after tonite. I can't even find anyone that supplies internet service there yet. Larry, Oregon --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:35 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! From: "Ralph Hoover" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" "It's a little bizarre, if you ask me. So, maybe you can hold off on using all those little happy- and non-happy-faces." Well Robert, I was just taking advantage of the tools to the left so that no body thought that I was being mean or disrespectful to the MV'er's! There seemed to be a lot of very easy to upset people that fly Kolbs. It is better in my opinion than SHOUTING, or the acronyms like LOL or IMO or other tidbits that take my mind longer to decipher than if they would have used the actual words. But I know what your saying, snicker, snicker, about idea, devil, question mark, all the dumb faces to the left. I will make every effort to make my posts in the future, dry, unencumbered, emotionless and intellectually dry humor, whilst attempting to convey love, thought, conniving and emotional manipulations! We'll leave a light " [Idea] " on for the MV boys! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34983#34983 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:31 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Angle of the Dangle... --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 5/16/2006 11:47:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, david@davidlehman.net writes: I can't install my wings right now, so I'm hoping to use the difference between the tube and the floats... I hope this makes sense... Thanx... David OK David now I see what you are trying to do. Did the same thing on my Firefly. As I recall you can go to your wing root and measure the relationship with the two mount points in regard to the reference line used for the incidence. Measure the distance down from the main mount point to the incidence line. Then go to your fuselage and measure down from the main mount point. This will allow your to use a straight edge between the rear mount and the mark you just put on the frame. I used this method on both the MKIII and Firefly. If this does not make sense, let me know and I will try to explain. Steve b do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:36 AM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Angle of the Dangle... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" Sorry Steve, you totally lost me on that one... Thanx for all your help, apparently twin floats are a rarity on Firestars/Fireflys... David do not archive On 5/17/06, N27SB@aol.com wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com > > > In a message dated 5/16/2006 11:47:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > david@davidlehman.net writes: > > I can't install my wings right now, so I'm hoping to use the > difference between the tube and the floats... I hope this > makes sense... > > Thanx... > > David > > > OK David now I see what you are trying to do. Did the same thing on my > Firefly. As I recall you can go to your wing root and measure > the relationship > with the two mount points in regard to the reference line used for the > incidence. Measure the distance down from the main mount point to the > incidence > line. Then go to your fuselage and measure down from the main mount > point. This > will allow your to use a straight edge between the rear mount and the > mark > you just put on the frame. I used this method on both the MKIII and > Firefly. > If this does not make sense, let me know and I will try to explain. > > Steve b > do not archive > > = = = = > > -- =F4=BF=F4 "Failure lies not in falling down. Failure lies in not getting u= p." (traditional Chinese proverb) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:38 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV 2006 and question from Japan --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I'd like to be stuck on a work assignment to Japan.......or to any of many other interesting places around the world. Good Luck and have fun. I hope he contacts you. As I recall, he seemed like a pleasant person. Lar. Do not Archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Schnabel" Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:08 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV 2006 and question from Japan > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel > > Thank you both Richard and Larry! I have to admit, i am not so good at the > archives myself, and to be honest did not think to search there for my > request. I appreciate both your efforts to help me out. I have sent a > message to Sada, hopefully he will write back. I will keep you all posted! > > Mike S > Mancester TN > (Via Yokohama Japan) > Firestar 2 503 > > (I forgot this eariler, sure glad all the watchdogs are off to MV and did > not catch my boo boo!) DO NOT ARCHIVE > > Richard Pike wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > Found him in the archives, his name is apparently Sada, > his email is apparently > phoenix@ja2.so-net.ne.jp > > Good luck > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > Larry Bourne wrote: >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" >> >> There was a post-er from Japan some time ago........several years ?? Not >> sure how to look for him, but maybe an inspired search of the archives, >> or >> possibly someone remembers more clearly ?? Lar. >> Do not Archive. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Schnabel" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:26 PM >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV 2006 and question from Japan >> >> >> >>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel >>> >>> Good morning gang, >>> >>> Sounds like everyone is gearing up for a great visit to MV, I hope maybe >>> i can swing the vacation time to visit myself next year, The stories and >>> the pictures make it sound like an amazing place to visit! >>> >>> But for this year i am stuck on a work assignment for the next month or >>> so in Japan so can only dream about flying for now, Which leads to my >>> question, does anyone know of any Kolb or other ultralight flyiers here >>> in >>> Japan? I have been searching for some places they might fly from with no >>> luck so far. But i am sure that anywhere there is a sky to look up at >>> there are wistful souls yearning to fly! I will keep on trying. If i >>> find >>> any i will send some photos. >>> >>> To all heading to MV or any destination, fly and drive safely and have a >>> great time! And please share your adventures when you return! >>> >>> Mike S >>> Manchester, TN >>> Firestar 2 503 >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call >>> rates. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:10 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Robert, Thanks for explaining whats going on with all the strange messages, I was getting pretty bothered with it all. Denny E-mail Rowe do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Laird" Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" > >>From those of us who still don't use the forums, I'd just like to make > sure all you guys who DO use the forum and use all the "emoticons"... > well, this is what we see: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ok, Anybody? [ T w i s t e d E v i l ] They won't have a clue, > Shush! We will keep it to ourselves. [ R o l l i n g E y e s ] I > mean, all the food, drink and pictures they will be having too good a > time to think about us common Kolbers. etc. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > It's a little bizarre, if you ask me. So, maybe you can hold off on > using all those little happy- and non-happy-faces. > > -- Robert > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/321 - Release Date: 4/21/2006 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:51 AM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV 2006 and question from Japan --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" I was in Japan for several weeks (in 1973)... I loved every minute of it. I especially enjoyed travelling around the rural areas. The people were very friendly and helpful, and the countryside is stunningly beautiful. -- R On 5/17/06, Larry Bourne wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > I'd like to be stuck on a work assignment to Japan.......or to any of many > other interesting places around the world. Good Luck and have fun. I hope > he contacts you. As I recall, he seemed like a pleasant person. > Lar. Do not Archive. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Schnabel" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:08 AM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV 2006 and question from Japan > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel > > > > Thank you both Richard and Larry! I have to admit, i am not so good at the > > archives myself, and to be honest did not think to search there for my > > request. I appreciate both your efforts to help me out. I have sent a > > message to Sada, hopefully he will write back. I will keep you all posted! > > > > Mike S > > Mancester TN > > (Via Yokohama Japan) > > Firestar 2 503 > > > > (I forgot this eariler, sure glad all the watchdogs are off to MV and did > > not catch my boo boo!) DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > Richard Pike wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > > > Found him in the archives, his name is apparently Sada, > > his email is apparently > > phoenix@ja2.so-net.ne.jp > > > > Good luck > > Richard Pike > > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > Larry Bourne wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > >> > >> There was a post-er from Japan some time ago........several years ?? Not > >> sure how to look for him, but maybe an inspired search of the archives, > >> or > >> possibly someone remembers more clearly ?? Lar. > >> Do not Archive. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Mike Schnabel" > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:26 PM > >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV 2006 and question from Japan > >> > >> > >> > >>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel > >>> > >>> Good morning gang, > >>> > >>> Sounds like everyone is gearing up for a great visit to MV, I hope maybe > >>> i can swing the vacation time to visit myself next year, The stories and > >>> the pictures make it sound like an amazing place to visit! > >>> > >>> But for this year i am stuck on a work assignment for the next month or > >>> so in Japan so can only dream about flying for now, Which leads to my > >>> question, does anyone know of any Kolb or other ultralight flyiers here > >>> in > >>> Japan? I have been searching for some places they might fly from with no > >>> luck so far. But i am sure that anywhere there is a sky to look up at > >>> there are wistful souls yearning to fly! I will keep on trying. If i > >>> find > >>> any i will send some photos. > >>> > >>> To all heading to MV or any destination, fly and drive safely and have a > >>> great time! And please share your adventures when you return! > >>> > >>> Mike S > >>> Manchester, TN > >>> Firestar 2 503 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------- > >>> How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call > >>> rates. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > > rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:36 AM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Robert Laird" Ralph -- I fully understand the desire and intent on using the available emoticons, so don't get me wrong. And I appreciate your attempt at keeping things light... I've seen more than my share of misunderstandings. Communication via email is fraught with danger. However, I also believe just a modicum of forethought before writing is all that's needed to convey the proper idea(s) without offending. Unfortunately, most people don't expend the effort, so that makes the emoticons very tempting, indeed. I've been known to use the happy-face/unhappy-face/wink from time to time, but if one of those three doesn't do the trick, I doubt any other more convoluted icons will help. My complaint wasn't in your (or anyones') use of the emoticons, it was the way the forum software interprets it for the non-forum users. My intent in bringing it up was only to make those who use them aware of their bizarre interpretation to text. Frankly, I would (and do) easily suffer through those odd entries in order to partake of your wisdom and humor! -- Robert On 5/17/06, Ralph Hoover wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" > > "It's a little bizarre, if you ask me. So, maybe you can hold off on > using all those little happy- and non-happy-faces." > > Well Robert, I was just taking advantage of the tools to the left so that no body thought that I was being mean or disrespectful to the MV'er's! > > There seemed to be a lot of very easy to upset people that fly Kolbs. It is better in my opinion than SHOUTING, or the acronyms like LOL or IMO or other tidbits that take my mind longer to decipher than if they would have used the actual words. > > But I know what your saying, snicker, snicker, about idea, devil, question mark, all the dumb faces to the left. I will make every effort to make my posts in the future, dry, unencumbered, emotionless and intellectually dry humor, whilst attempting to convey love, thought, conniving and emotional manipulations! > > We'll leave a light " [Idea] " on for the MV boys! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34983#34983 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:15 AM PST US From: "George E. Thompson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: landing in the Oregon Outback! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" So sorry you cant make it this year Larry. I was so hoping to refresh my memory about your pet rabbit story (true of course). I get tears in my eyes every time I think about it, and it is true, it is as funny as the sentry dog story. Az Bald Eagle Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Schnabel" Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:37 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: landing in the Oregon Outback! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Schnabel > > Great story Ray, love reading what you share... I cant imagine anyone not > wanting to hear of such interesting experiences! thank yo for sharing with > us! > > Mike S > Manchester TN > (via Yokohama Japan) > Firestar 2 503 > > do not archive > > ray anderson wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson > > Larry, > Your story took my memory back about 68 or 69 years when a similar > incident happened to me. I had just learned to fly about a year before and > had bought one of the Curtiss Wright Jr. planes my instructor had. ( > either $225 or $250.) It was a two place pusher with pretty much the same > configuration as a Kolb. Had a 39.5 ft. wingspan and a 45 hp 3 cyl. > Szekley motor. Had mica plugs but it was at the height of the great > depression and when I had to replace them, I fudged and replaced with > conventional ceramic auto plugs. Worked fine until one day while playing > around, I got quite a bit of altitude when I arrived back at my home > field, a fairly short dirt strip. Being a newly hatched pilot, I closed > the throttle and spiraled down, never clearing the motor, arrived over the > approach end a little high but thought I could make it. As the 39 ft wing > refused to settle, I saw I had to go around, and opened the throttle > suddenly. The ceramic plugs had cooled off and the > sudden burst of power blew the ceramic section out of four plugs instantly > (dual ign.). I was floating along by then about 10 feet high over the far > end of the strip. The old Szekley was running fine on one cylinder, going > pop - chug, chug, pop-chug, chug. Every thing in front of me was scrub > brush about 5 - 6 feet tall and I was at 10 feet. The Szekley kept running > with pop - chug, chug for about a quarter mile when I came to a cotton > field that had been picked, but the rows were parallel to my flight, and > at 10 feet I didn't dare make a right hand turn. I closed the throttle, > now wide open, and let it settle in. I bounced across a couple of rows and > then the wheels caught a furrow and I started up on it's nose. It went > totally vertical with me staring at the ground a couple of feet in front > of my face. It hung there vertical with me pushing back against the seat > as hard as I could, balanced there for about 4 - 5 seconds and plopped > back down on the tail skid (no > wheel). I went into town and bought 4 more auto plugs, with help pushed it > up to the end of the field, turned down the rows, cranked up and flew it > out and back to the field. Just a tiny bit of paint off the nose cone. > Never again let the motor cool off on a long descent. No more troubles. > Not exactly the same as your incident but close. Anyhow, now at 88 years, > I am nostalgic about my good old days at 17 - 18 years old with no FAA. > Just Dept. of Commerce who only had one inspector covering the states of > S.C., N.C. and part of Va. Yes this is long, but bear with and old, old > man. > Ray > UltraStar--TN > Do not archive > > Larry Cottrell wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" > > Thanks guys for the sympathy, and the kindness that managed to overlook > the > mistakes that were made. There were mistakes in judgement that could have > added up to serious problems in any other type of plane. I am a firm > believer that the Kolb is indeed one of the safest planes flying. However > I > cannot say anything good about alum gear legs. :-) I was aware of the > possible consequences of each judgement at the time that I made them and > accepted the risk. This time I was on the recieving end and I don't have > any > problems with that. I am not having any problems with depression either. I > am anxious to get the time to repair her and do not feel that the plane or > the engine let me down. There was a post not too long ago admonishing > people > to secure their spark plug caps, and I intended to do that when I did my > annual. Then the emergency situation (to me) came up and that went out the > window. My judgement, my risk! No regrets! > > The only thing that I could find wrong or out of place was the spark plug > cap. If there is 38 HP with two cylinders firing. ( I have a silencer that > is supposed to rob two of the 40 reported HP) When there is only one left > and it is dragging the unfiring cylinder, that is going to be somewhere > less > than half the HP left. I have of course been chasing this around in my > head > since the landing. In truth I didn't try too hard to try to fly it > somewhere > else. In front was definately out as the terrain was rising and there was > a > canyon with some pretty steep sides. If I had made a turn to the right, > and > I could have limped to a two track that I did not know at the time was > there, I would have been a lot better off. However at the altitude that I > was at, that patch of grass looked really good. If you stick it in the > sage > ( two foot high) it is guarenteed that you are going to flip it. I have > managed to convince myself that I made the only decision possible, that my > odds of being a lot worse off would have increased with trying to turn, > hoping that I could stay airborne long enough to get to somewhere better. > > As for Monument Valley, I am afraid that I am going to have to take a > raincheck this year. I am busier than a one armed paper hanger at the > moment. George remind me to tell you about my pet rabbit that I had in > Alaska. I personally think it is better than the one about the sentry dog. > It is true as well! > > The new runway is all ready, or will be by the time MV is over. You all > come > visit after ward. N42 40.751 W117 51.673 > > This will be my last post for a while as the computer will be boxed up > after > tonite. I can't even find anyone that supplies internet service there yet. > > Larry, Oregon > > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save > big. > > > --------------------------------- > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/341 - Release Date: 5/16/2006 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:51 AM PST US From: "Todd Potter" Subject: Kolb-List: For Sale: - KOLB FIRESTAR KXP WITH NEW 24' ENCLOSED TRAILER --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Todd Potter" For Sale: KOLB FIRESTAR KXP WITH NEW 24' ENCLOSED TRAILER . $16,000 . FOR SALE . Firestar KXP with Rotax 447-SCSI (Points)- 100TT. New IVO Ground = Adjustable 2 blade prop, ASI, ALT, CHT/EGT, Strobes, Tiny Tach, RPM/Hour meter, 4 = Point Safety Harness, BRS - New ICom A5 with TELEX Headset/Mic. Great Flyer = with low hours. Package deal (Plane and Trailer) $16,000 - Plane only $9500 - Brand New <100miles 24' Haulmark 24' enclosed Trailer only $6500 Trailer makes a great rolling hanger/shed/garage. Email or Call for more info or pictures . Contact Todd Potter - located Hanover, MN USA . Telephone: = 612-968-1119 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:05 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: From: jhauck@elmore.rr.com Cc: --> Kolb-List message posted by: jhauck@elmore.rr.com -------------------------------------------------- Here is a message for you from http://web2mail.com The easy way to read and send POP email on the web -------------------------------------------------- Morning Gang: Just landed at Vernon, TX. Got fuel, and found a computer. Thought I'd let ya'll know that I am having a good flight, although pushing headwinds for the last day and a half. Spent last night in Sherman, TX. Did not make Marietta, OK, as planned. Will try to make as much time as possible today. Right now it is time to go to town and see if I can find Norman's cafe and get me some good groceries. Haven't had a store bought meal since I left home. MKIII and 912ULS are working out 100%. Fuel burn 5 gph at 5,000 rpm. Still very happy with an airplane I have been flying since 1992. Does all I want it to do and then some. Take care, john h mkIII DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:35 AM PST US From: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 2003 Mark III For Sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL << Bob, That is an admirable thing you do for your loved ones. I admire that. And with the cost of weddings today ... I hope your loved one appreciate what you are doing. Ohio Ralph >> Ralph - People have done crazier things for love than Brother Brocious! When I lived in Dayton in the mid 80s, I owned a Citabria. My girlfriend and I would often fly to breakfast on Saturday mornings at any of the many little airfields in rural central Ohio area. One day, while flying home from Middletown (home of the original Aeronca factory, nice little caf across the street), I proposed marriage and handed an engagement ring to the cute little blonde gal in the front seat. For unrelated reasons, I sold the Citabria within the next 6 months. But I told my fiance' that I sold the airplane to afford the engagement ring she wanted. Must've worked - we're still married! Dennis Kirby in New Mexico now Do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:40 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 2003 Mark III For Sale From: "Ralph Hoover" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" Well Dennis, If Bob ever comes to central Ohio (Columbus area), he will be more than welcome to fly my Firestar single with 503. You too if you come back around. You were here during the second coming of the space people in the hanger in Dayton. quoye: "When I lived in Dayton in the mid 80s" Thats odd. Ha, Ha! Your problem was you were love blinded. Thats different than old Bob. He kew better and was still in control of his scruples and still made that decission! Ha! Quote: "Must've worked - we're still married! " So was she the better investment? And does she still have the Hope Diamond? Waiting here in Ohio Ralph! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=35057#35057 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:12 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Kolb-List: test --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums At 09:45 AM 5/17/2006, you wrote: >However, I also believe just a modicum of forethought before writing >is all that's needed to convey the proper idea(s) without offending. >Unfortunately, most people don't expend the effort, so that makes the >emoticons very tempting, indeed. I've been known to use the >happy-face/unhappy-face/wink from time to time, but if one of those >three doesn't do the trick, I doubt any other more convoluted icons >will help. ------------- However, I also believe just a modicum of forethought before writing is all that's needed to convey the proper idea(s) without offending. Unfortunately, most people don't expend the effort, so that makes the emoticons very tempting, indeed. I've been known to use the happy-face/unhappy-face/wink from time to time, but if one of those three doesn't do the trick, I doubt any other more convoluted icons will help. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:16 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Kolb-List: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums Bitter, but successful, middle aged slumlord wallowing in an unending sea of inert loneliness looking for 35 year old needy leech-like hanger-on to abuse with dull stories, tired sex and Herb Alpert albums. My interests include movies, computers, pornography and travel. I like eating mayonnaise and peanut butter sandwiches in the rain, watching Barney Miller reruns and peeing on pigeons in the park. I've been substance-free for 23 days. I have the ability to construct complex sentences with big words. Seeking SWF with money. Send pictures of your house. Let's cut to the chase ladies, I need a girl to get me a beer once in a while. Come on over. I'll buy you a burger, or something. Interested? (sigh) I didn't think so. No pets ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:47 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums At 07:54 PM 5/17/2006, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums > >Bitter, but successful, middle aged slumlord wallowing in an unending Sorry - but was trying to test the site. I know when I've copied and pasted things from "Word" to the site, it tends to replace ' with an "=" sign and replace the "enter or drop down sign" with "90" ...etc. Didn't work this time though. 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Would have recognized you anywhere... please don't apologize.. we're all in this together... the part about the squirrel gave you away... Oh yeah... almost forgot... I plan to fly the Kolb this weekend... if it'l start.... ...this is definitely Kolb-related... Beauford (P.S. whattya suppose they REALLY do out there at MV.....? hmmm...? Think grown men would spend all that money and all that time just to go a thousand miles out in the middle of chrome-plated nowhere and sit squat-legged in the grit and ants and reassure one another about how much fun they were havin'...how great it was to pay-off the indians.... and how much they looked forward to NEXT year...? Hmmmm.....? Do ya really ink...? ) ...just wonderin'... wish i was out there.... kinda... sigh.... sure is quiet on the list.... b. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "possums" Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" > --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums > > At 07:54 PM 5/17/2006, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums > > > >Bitter, but successful, middle aged slumlord wallowing in an unending > > Sorry - but was trying to test the site. I know when I've copied and pasted > things from "Word" to the site, it tends to replace ' with an "=" sign and > replace the "enter or drop down sign" with "90" ...etc. > Didn't work this time though. > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:35 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Oh quit yer moping, just think of all the "Kolb list Tests" those poor guys out there in Monument Valley are missing out on. On May 17, 2006, at 9:06 PM, Beauford wrote: > ...just wonderin'... wish i was out there.... kinda... sigh.... > sure is quiet on the list.... > b. > Do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "possums" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:20 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums >> >> At 07:54 PM 5/17/2006, you wrote: >>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums >>> >>> Bitter, but successful, middle aged slumlord wallowing in an > unending ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:47 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums At 09:06 PM 5/17/2006, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" > >Brother Possum Sullivan.... >Would have recognized you anywhere... please don't apologize.. we're >all in this >together... the part about the squirrel gave you away... >Oh yeah... almost forgot... I plan to fly the Kolb this weekend... if >it'l start.... >...this is definitely Kolb-related... >Beauford >(P.S. whattya suppose they REALLY do out there at MV.....? >hmmm...? I don't know for sure But: I'm going to be 56 years old pretty soon and MV is a long, long way from here.. Everybody knows I've been around for a while, but I started young. Last year 56 was the new 46. Because at 46, you start slowing down a little bit, but you=92re still pretty good? So - what=92s odd is by the time I'm 60, 60 will be the new 40; so actually, I'm going to get younger as I go, right - right? As far as camping goes ' I'm no Grizzley Adams One thing I've discovered is that =93Grown men should never - ever - share Tents=94 I personally camp with individual tents, you know - I want the =93Power Rangers Tent=94 you can have the =93My Pretty Pony Tent=94 etc. Then as "men", we can kind of let ourselves go and get back to the "Drum Banging, Rock Clacking" stage. Only thing is, after 3 or 4 nights, we start wearing less and less clothes, drinking beer and holding each other, weeping, and saying things like ' "There's nothing wrong with you - there's nothing wrong with you! I loooove you man. You had me at Hello." Anyway, I'm not a camper.... Not there's anything wrong with that! I'm sure they have fun out there. > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:18 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Kolb-List: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums >One thing I've discovered is that >=93Grown men should never - ever - share Tents=94 >I personally camp with individual tents, you know - >I want the =93Power Rangers Tent=94 you can have the >=93My Pretty Pony Tent=94 etc. >Then as "men", we can kind of let ourselves go and get back >to the "Drum Banging, Rock Clacking" stage. See !! - I told you it would happen - all that =93 and =94 stuff!. That wasn't what I sent. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:15 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" From: "Possum" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Possum" Possum wrote: > Bitter, but successful, middle aged slumlord wallowing in an unending > sea of inert loneliness looking for 35 year old needy leech-like > hanger-on to abuse with dull stories, tired sex and Herb Alpert > albums. Since everybody's gone to MV let's see if the site will take a "Word Document" as an attachment. A "Personal Profile" I tried to help my friend with on one the Match Maker Sites. Got lots of calls - but you know how those things go - The girls just want to have one nighters and then never call you back - treat you like a piece of meat. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=35142#35142 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/profile2greg_154.jpg ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:26 PM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer Possum, Think you've got yer ASCI crosswise of yer HTML. Maybe yer ISP, Mindsprung, is doing it. When I type 83, it's an old 82. regards, Bob N. http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ new Next Page story on webpg do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:51 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean They're out there for the women hiding behind the trees......... On 17, May 2006, at 9:06 PM, Beauford wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" > > Brother Possum Sullivan.... > Would have recognized you anywhere... please don't apologize.. we're > all in this > together... the part about the squirrel gave you away... > Oh yeah... almost forgot... I plan to fly the Kolb this weekend... if > it'l start.... > ...this is definitely Kolb-related... > Beauford > (P.S. whattya suppose they REALLY do out there at MV.....? > hmmm...? > Think grown men would spend all that money and all that time just to > go > a thousand miles out in the middle of chrome-plated nowhere and sit > squat-legged in the grit and ants and reassure one another about how > much fun they > were havin'...how great it was to pay-off the indians.... and how > much they > looked forward to NEXT year...? Hmmmm.....? Do ya really > ink...? ) > > ...just wonderin'... wish i was out there.... kinda... sigh.... > sure is quiet on the list.... > b. > Do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "possums" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:20 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums >> >> At 07:54 PM 5/17/2006, you wrote: >>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums >>> >>> Bitter, but successful, middle aged slumlord wallowing in an > unending >> >> Sorry - but was trying to test the site. I know when I've copied and > pasted >> things from "Word" to the site, it tends to replace ' with an "=" > sign and >> replace the "enter or drop down sign" with "90" ...etc. >> Didn't work this time though. >> >> Do not archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:37 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums At 11:23 PM 5/17/2006, you wrote: From: Robert Noyer >looks great...none a that number stuff. ------ Ok let's see if it works on the list ------- Greg called over the holidays - seems his girlfriend dumped him a couple of months ago. He works six days a week and gets groceries once a month. Otherwise it's him and his dog I guess. "Having a New Years party Tuesday night. Thought you might like to stop by about 5 p.m." "Great," I said ' heck I don=92t have anything going on. I thought he was going to hang up when he said, "I better warn ya ... there's gonna be some mean drinkin' goin on." "Not a problem," I though after 20 years of hanging around Greg, I can keep up. Again, as I start to hang up, Greg says, "More 'n' likely gonna be some rowdy fightin' too." "Well=94, I said =93I'm sure I can hold my own, so count me in." Once again I=92m about to hang up and he says "More 'n likely gonna be some wild sex, too." "Now that's really not a problem," I said. "I've haven=92t had a date in three months! I'll definitely be there. By the way, how should I dress?" Greg said, "Wear whatever you want. Just gonna be the two of us." ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:28 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums See what I mean - it's specific to the list Works when I send it to you, or myself, but not to the list. >From: Robert Noyer > >looks great...none a that number stuff. >------ >Ok let's see if it works on the list > >------- >Greg called over the holidays - seems his >girlfriend dumped him a couple of months ago. He >works six days a week and gets groceries once a >month. Otherwise it's him and his dog I guess. > > >"Having a New Years party Tuesday night. Thought >you might like to stop by about 5 p.m." > >"Great," I said ' heck I don=92t have anything going on. > >I thought he was going to hang up when he said, >"I better warn ya ... there's gonna be some mean drinkin' goin on." > >"Not a problem," I though after 20 years of >hanging around Greg, I can keep up. > >Again, as I start to hang up, Greg says, "More >'n' likely gonna be some rowdy fightin' too." > >"Well=94, I said =93I'm sure I can hold my own, so count me in." > >Once again I=92m about to hang up and he says "More >'n likely gonna be some wild sex, too." > >"Now that's really not a problem," I said. "I've >haven=92t had a date in three months! I'll >definitely be there. By the way, how should I dress?" > >Greg said, "Wear whatever you want. Just gonna be the two of us." ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:38 PM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer Possum, =92 apostrophe =93 open quote =94 close quote but not always! do not archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:38 PM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > (P.S. whattya suppose they REALLY do out there at MV.....? > > hmmm...? You guys quit making fun of them Kolblist monks don't you know it's a religious experience for them? A sabatical to God"s country. The only place they can really get up close and personal with St. Peter. Why do they call them monuments anyway? Monuments to what? Do not archive