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1. 02:47 AM - Re: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! (pat ladd)
2. 02:53 AM - Re: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! (pat ladd)
3. 02:56 AM - Re: Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" (pat ladd)
4. 05:13 AM - Re: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! (Eugene Zimmerman)
5. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! (Vic Peters)
6. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! (pat ladd)
7. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! (David Lehman)
8. 08:43 AM - A Place To Fly Your Kolb... (David Lehman)
9. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! (Dave Carr)
10. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! (pat ladd)
11. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! (pat ladd)
12. 01:02 PM - WWII story (Robert Noyer)
13. 01:50 PM - Re: For Sale: - KOLB FIRESTAR KXP WITH NEW 24' ENCLOSED TRAILER (planecrazzzy)
14. 03:16 PM - Re: WWII story (Richard Pike)
15. 04:47 PM - help (ron wehba)
16. 05:41 PM - Re: WWII story (Robert Noyer)
17. 05:45 PM - Re: help (Robert Noyer)
18. 06:28 PM - Re: WWII story (Robert Noyer)
19. 08:14 PM - Re: WWII story (Ed Chmielewski)
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| Subject: | Re: Best thing next to popcorn! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
<<By then Adolph had committed 75% of his army to the east,>>
(Only a smidgeon of Kolb here so delete if you are not interested)
Hi Robert and Ralph,
I dont want to start WW3 but when one of the German Generals (Guderian?) was
questioned by a reporter after the war about which was the most significant
battle of the war the expected answer was Kursk or Stalingrad. To the
surprise of everyone the reply was "The Battle of Britain. If we had won
that there could have been no invasion threat and our entire strength would
have been turned on the Russians and we would have won"
So I think we should consider the fact that everyone played a part and it is
difficult to pinpoint the most significant contribution. It is at least a
strong possibility that we might have lost the Battle of Britain had it not
been for the Poles who fled to England and joined the RAF. They were , in
the main, the only ones who had actually fought the Germans. Our chaps were
ill equipped,poorly trained in up to date fighting methods and were still
flying air display box formations against the Me109 finger four formation
which the Germans had perfected in Spain. Most of our guys with actual
battle experience were dead in France.
You could of course argue that the war was won by Mitchell and Sidney Cam.
If they had not produced the Spitfire and the Hurricane???? .....We could
not have scrambled fighters to intercept without the invention of Radar (or
radiolocation as we called it) by Watson Watt.......The daylight bombing
could not have continued without the introduction of the Mustang
I wouldn`t for the world wish to denigrate the part played by the U S. and
we were damn glad to see you arrive in these islands but I think it is worth
remembering that if it wasn`t for us hanging in there, alone, there would
have been nowhere from which to launch an invasion . Hitler would have
occupied all of Europe and probably Russia and he would have been knocking
on your door sooner or later.
Of course Hitler committed a major mistake by declaring war on the US.
Without it you might habe just concentrated on the Pacific.
What I woul like to see is an acknowledgement of the part played by the
British Navy in the Pacific in the face of specific orders by the Brit
hating American Commander that no no help was to be extented to the Royal
Navy in the shape of refuelling, rearming ,re supplying. etc . Luckily
individual American Captains had a more enlightened attitude.
Yes Matte, I know there were very few Kolbs in the Battle of Britain and
probably not many mixed up with the Sturmovics and the whole thing is very
`off topic` and I promise not to do it again.
Anyone want to continue this `off list`. I love getting other peoples point
of view.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Quote" There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung. >>
I thought for a minute that this had crept in from one of my music lists.
Good Grief! Just look at those stupid words. How did they get away with it?
How about..
There is nothing you can fly which can`t be flown
Nothing you can thow which cant be thown.
This is genius? Hah! This is tripe
Cheers
at
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
successful, middle aged slumlord>>
Love it
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62@earthlink.net>
On May 19, 2006, at 5:53 AM, pat ladd wrote:
> Hah! This is tripe
Yep, shore izz !
Unbelievable how addicted this list is to a few guys in MV and the
incredible withdrawal symptoms the kolb list experiences because of
their absence.
Going to Sam Peachy's "one of a kind" annual fly-in tomorrow Sat.
May, 20
All the Amish community home-style cook'n one can
eat ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, free on the house!
Free fuel for us pilots in past years,
free plane rides given by Sam's daughters to anyone interested,
especially kids,
all this and more,
thanks to,,,
"ONE OF A KIND" Sam Peachy & Family
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| Subject: | Re: Best thing next to popcorn! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl@verizon.net>
Pat Wrote
I dont want to start WW3
I'd say your right Pat. Based on documentary's I've seen on the telly here
and what limited amount I really understand. Hitler didn't care about lives
only strategy.
Vic
N40KX 912ul
Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Best thing next to popcorn! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
What resources, dedication, forsight, conniving, cunningness. scarry what
man can do when let loose to his own ways.>>
Hi Ralph,
not only that but he wrote a book about how he was going to do it. Nobody
took any notice.
Just like Ron Hubbard, the science fiction writer. He wrote an article about
how to make money by inventing a religion and then went ahead and started
Scientology.
Perhaps someone can write an article about how to take over the FAA. That
would be useful.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Best thing next to popcorn! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
Too late Pat, that novel's been written, it's entitled ISO 9000...
DVD
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On 5/19/06, pat ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> What resources, dedication, forsight, conniving, cunningness. scarry what
> man can do when let loose to his own ways.>>
>
> Hi Ralph,
>
> not only that but he wrote a book about how he was going to do it. Nobody
> took any notice.
>
> Just like Ron Hubbard, the science fiction writer. He wrote an article
> about
> how to make money by inventing a religion and then went ahead and started
> Scientology.
>
> Perhaps someone can write an article about how to take over the FAA. Tha=
t
> would be useful.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | A Place To Fly Your Kolb... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
This is a webcam in Talkeetna, Alaska pointed toward Denali... The cam
automatically refreshes... When it's clear (usually late afternoons), it's
beautiful...
http://64.4.235.10/popup.html
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| Subject: | Re: Best thing next to popcorn! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Carr" <decarr@hughes.net>
Hi Pat
Just a quick comment and I will go back to lurking. I was stationed in
England at RAF Brize Norton for 3 years in the late 50s and early 60s and=
I
can say for sure that the Brits paid dearly for ww2. They lost a generati=
on
of young people and many civilians on the ground but kept a stiff upper l=
ip
and fought the invasion for all their worth. They were still trying to
recover from the effects of the war 15 years later and were still hospita=
ble
to we noisey drunken GIs that were there to party. Looking back on the wh=
ole
thing and I can only say I am proud to say that we are related to the Bri=
ts
and have and are at this time fighting wars side by side even though many=
on
both sides question the decesion to go to war.
Just to keep it Kolb related, If I build a Kolb I will mark it in British
colors.
DEC
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From: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Best thing next to popcorn!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
<<By then Adolph had committed 75% of his army to the east,>>
(Only a smidgeon of Kolb here so delete if you are not interested)
Hi Robert and Ralph,
I dont want to start WW3 but when one of the German Generals (Guderian?) =
was
questioned by a reporter after the war about which was the most significa=
nt
battle of the war the expected answer was Kursk or Stalingrad. To the
surprise of everyone the reply was "The Battle of Britain. If we had won
that there could have been no invasion threat and our entire strength wou=
ld
have been turned on the Russians and we would have won"
So I think we should consider the fact that everyone played a part and it=
is
difficult to pinpoint the most significant contribution. It is at least a=
strong possibility that we might have lost the Battle of Britain had it n=
ot
been for the Poles who fled to England and joined the RAF. They were , in=
the main, the only ones who had actually fought the Germans. Our chaps we=
re
ill equipped,poorly trained in up to date fighting methods and were stil=
l
flying air display box formations against the Me109 finger four formation=
which the Germans had perfected in Spain. Most of our guys with actual
battle experience were dead in France.
You could of course argue that the war was won by Mitchell and Sidney Cam=
=2E
If they had not produced the Spitfire and the Hurricane???? .....We could=
not have scrambled fighters to intercept without the invention of Radar (=
or
radiolocation as we called it) by Watson Watt.......The daylight bombing
could not have continued without the introduction of the Mustang
I wouldn`t for the world wish to denigrate the part played by the U S. a=
nd
we were damn glad to see you arrive in these islands but I think it is wo=
rth
remembering that if it wasn`t for us hanging in there, alone, there woul=
d
have been nowhere from which to launch an invasion . Hitler would have
occupied all of Europe and probably Russia and he would have been knockin=
g
on your door sooner or later.
Of course Hitler committed a major mistake by declaring war on the US.
Without it you might habe just concentrated on the Pacific.
What I woul like to see is an acknowledgement of the part played by the
British Navy in the Pacific in the face of specific orders by the Brit
hating American Commander that no no help was to be extented to the Royal=
Navy in the shape of refuelling, rearming ,re supplying. etc . Luckily
individual American Captains had a more enlightened attitude.
Yes Matte, I know there were very few Kolbs in the Battle of Britain and
probably not many mixed up with the Sturmovics and the whole thing is ver=
y
`off topic` and I promise not to do it again.
Anyone want to continue this `off list`. I love getting other peoples poi=
nt
of view.
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
both sides question the decesion to go to war.>>
Hi,
thanks for your comments. I will certainly agree with that one.
<<Just to keep it Kolb related, If I build a Kolb I will mark it in British
colors.>>
What a good idea! I have gone for a red/white starburst myself. Perhaps I
could put RAF roundels on ot.
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
it's entitled ISO 9000...>>>>
Sorry mate. That is lost on me but I get the drift
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
Pat et al,
Since we are busy playing hooky while the Tall Dawgs are away doing
Monumental Things, I thought I'd stick a short WWII story on my web
pg. Click on Next Page at end of book and picture stuff.
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale: - KOLB FIRESTAR KXP WITH NEW 24' ENCLOSED TRAILER |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Hey Todd,
I'd like to see pictures of the trailer....
does 5k sound reasonable ?
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=35468#35468
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Great Story! If you have no objections, that will go in my next EAA442
Newsletter.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Robert Noyer wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
>
> Pat et al,
>
> Since we are busy playing hooky while the Tall Dawgs are away doing
> Monumental Things, I thought I'd stick a short WWII story on my web
> pg. Click on Next Page at end of book and picture stuff.
>
>
> regards,
> Bob N.
> http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
>
> do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@cebridge.net>
i have been gone for about a week and turned off all email except the
kolb list here and yahoo groups, now after I turned everything back on
,,not getting any yahoo group mail any ideas, have checked that all is
on and restarted my system..help
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
Rev Pike,
Fine by me. Thanks
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
Ron W
ck with Bob Comperini
e-mail: bob@fly-ul.com
http://www.fly-ul.com
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
And another kinda coincidence: when I was in Navy Primary Training at
NAS Grosse Il, MI (a large island very near Detroit) there would be a
flight of six or more brand new B-24s, usually line abreast, several
times a day steaming right through our airspace, about traffic
pattern altitude...fresh out of old Henry's Willow Run aircraft
factory. Of course we had no radios, just kept a sharp lookout. Never
had a midair, but quite a few skivvies needed a dose of Clorox.
Maybe George Shinham's Liberator went by? nah...maybe?
regards,
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Hi Bob,
Those 'fly-by' traditions seem to still be alive. While instructing
years ago at nearby Ann Arbor, I'd occasionally be confronted while in the
pattern by the occasional scud-running freightdog westbound in a Navajo or
Beech 18. It was those Zantop Electras that really caught the attention
though!
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Noyer" <a58r@verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: WWII story
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer <a58r@verizon.net>
>
> And another kinda coincidence: when I was in Navy Primary Training at
> NAS Grosse Il, MI (a large island very near Detroit) there would be a
> flight of six or more brand new B-24s, usually line abreast, several
> times a day steaming right through our airspace, about traffic
> pattern altitude...fresh out of old Henry's Willow Run aircraft
> factory. Of course we had no radios, just kept a sharp lookout. Never
> had a midair, but quite a few skivvies needed a dose of Clorox.
>
> Maybe George Shinham's Liberator went by? nah...maybe?
>
>
> regards,
> Bob N.
> http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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