---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/19/06: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:47 AM - Re: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! (pat ladd) 2. 02:53 AM - Re: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! (pat ladd) 3. 02:56 AM - Re: Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" (pat ladd) 4. 05:13 AM - Re: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! (Eugene Zimmerman) 5. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! (Vic Peters) 6. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! (pat ladd) 7. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! (David Lehman) 8. 08:43 AM - A Place To Fly Your Kolb... (David Lehman) 9. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! (Dave Carr) 10. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! (pat ladd) 11. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! (pat ladd) 12. 01:02 PM - WWII story (Robert Noyer) 13. 01:50 PM - Re: For Sale: - KOLB FIRESTAR KXP WITH NEW 24' ENCLOSED TRAILER (planecrazzzy) 14. 03:16 PM - Re: WWII story (Richard Pike) 15. 04:47 PM - help (ron wehba) 16. 05:41 PM - Re: WWII story (Robert Noyer) 17. 05:45 PM - Re: help (Robert Noyer) 18. 06:28 PM - Re: WWII story (Robert Noyer) 19. 08:14 PM - Re: WWII story (Ed Chmielewski) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:28 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <> (Only a smidgeon of Kolb here so delete if you are not interested) Hi Robert and Ralph, I dont want to start WW3 but when one of the German Generals (Guderian?) was questioned by a reporter after the war about which was the most significant battle of the war the expected answer was Kursk or Stalingrad. To the surprise of everyone the reply was "The Battle of Britain. If we had won that there could have been no invasion threat and our entire strength would have been turned on the Russians and we would have won" So I think we should consider the fact that everyone played a part and it is difficult to pinpoint the most significant contribution. It is at least a strong possibility that we might have lost the Battle of Britain had it not been for the Poles who fled to England and joined the RAF. They were , in the main, the only ones who had actually fought the Germans. Our chaps were ill equipped,poorly trained in up to date fighting methods and were still flying air display box formations against the Me109 finger four formation which the Germans had perfected in Spain. Most of our guys with actual battle experience were dead in France. You could of course argue that the war was won by Mitchell and Sidney Cam. If they had not produced the Spitfire and the Hurricane???? .....We could not have scrambled fighters to intercept without the invention of Radar (or radiolocation as we called it) by Watson Watt.......The daylight bombing could not have continued without the introduction of the Mustang I wouldn`t for the world wish to denigrate the part played by the U S. and we were damn glad to see you arrive in these islands but I think it is worth remembering that if it wasn`t for us hanging in there, alone, there would have been nowhere from which to launch an invasion . Hitler would have occupied all of Europe and probably Russia and he would have been knocking on your door sooner or later. Of course Hitler committed a major mistake by declaring war on the US. Without it you might habe just concentrated on the Pacific. What I woul like to see is an acknowledgement of the part played by the British Navy in the Pacific in the face of specific orders by the Brit hating American Commander that no no help was to be extented to the Royal Navy in the shape of refuelling, rearming ,re supplying. etc . Luckily individual American Captains had a more enlightened attitude. Yes Matte, I know there were very few Kolbs in the Battle of Britain and probably not many mixed up with the Sturmovics and the whole thing is very `off topic` and I promise not to do it again. Anyone want to continue this `off list`. I love getting other peoples point of view. Cheers Pat do not archive -- Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 17/05/2006 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:59 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" Quote" There's nothing you can do that can't be done. Nothing you can sing that can't be sung. >> I thought for a minute that this had crept in from one of my music lists. Good Grief! Just look at those stupid words. How did they get away with it? How about.. There is nothing you can fly which can`t be flown Nothing you can thow which cant be thown. This is genius? Hah! This is tripe Cheers at do not archive -- Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 17/05/2006 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:14 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Test - Copy & Paste from "Word" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" successful, middle aged slumlord>> Love it Pat do not archive -- Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 17/05/2006 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:06 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman On May 19, 2006, at 5:53 AM, pat ladd wrote: > Hah! This is tripe Yep, shore izz ! Unbelievable how addicted this list is to a few guys in MV and the incredible withdrawal symptoms the kolb list experiences because of their absence. Going to Sam Peachy's "one of a kind" annual fly-in tomorrow Sat. May, 20 All the Amish community home-style cook'n one can eat ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, free on the house! Free fuel for us pilots in past years, free plane rides given by Sam's daughters to anyone interested, especially kids, all this and more, thanks to,,, "ONE OF A KIND" Sam Peachy & Family do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:01 AM PST US From: "Vic Peters" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic Peters" Pat Wrote I dont want to start WW3 I'd say your right Pat. Based on documentary's I've seen on the telly here and what limited amount I really understand. Hitler didn't care about lives only strategy. Vic N40KX 912ul Maine -- Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/341 - Release Date: 5/16/2006 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:07 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" What resources, dedication, forsight, conniving, cunningness. scarry what man can do when let loose to his own ways.>> Hi Ralph, not only that but he wrote a book about how he was going to do it. Nobody took any notice. Just like Ron Hubbard, the science fiction writer. He wrote an article about how to make money by inventing a religion and then went ahead and started Scientology. Perhaps someone can write an article about how to take over the FAA. That would be useful. Cheers Pat do not archive -- Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 17/05/2006 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:34 AM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" Too late Pat, that novel's been written, it's entitled ISO 9000... DVD do not archive On 5/19/06, pat ladd wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" > > What resources, dedication, forsight, conniving, cunningness. scarry what > man can do when let loose to his own ways.>> > > Hi Ralph, > > not only that but he wrote a book about how he was going to do it. Nobody > took any notice. > > Just like Ron Hubbard, the science fiction writer. He wrote an article > about > how to make money by inventing a religion and then went ahead and started > Scientology. > > Perhaps someone can write an article about how to take over the FAA. Tha= t > would be useful. > > Cheers > > Pat > > do not archive > > -- =F4=BF=F4 "Ultralight flying isn't about transportation; it's about the ma= gic of pure, simple flight." - Scott Wilcox ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:41 AM PST US From: "David Lehman" Subject: Kolb-List: A Place To Fly Your Kolb... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Lehman" This is a webcam in Talkeetna, Alaska pointed toward Denali... The cam automatically refreshes... When it's clear (usually late afternoons), it's beautiful... http://64.4.235.10/popup.html -- =F4=BF=F4 "Ultralight flying isn't about transportation; it's about the ma= gic of pure, simple flight." - Scott Wilcox ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:05 AM PST US From: "Dave Carr" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Carr" Hi Pat Just a quick comment and I will go back to lurking. I was stationed in England at RAF Brize Norton for 3 years in the late 50s and early 60s and= I can say for sure that the Brits paid dearly for ww2. They lost a generati= on of young people and many civilians on the ground but kept a stiff upper l= ip and fought the invasion for all their worth. They were still trying to recover from the effects of the war 15 years later and were still hospita= ble to we noisey drunken GIs that were there to party. Looking back on the wh= ole thing and I can only say I am proud to say that we are related to the Bri= ts and have and are at this time fighting wars side by side even though many= on both sides question the decesion to go to war. Just to keep it Kolb related, If I build a Kolb I will mark it in British colors. DEC -------Original Message------- From: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" <> (Only a smidgeon of Kolb here so delete if you are not interested) Hi Robert and Ralph, I dont want to start WW3 but when one of the German Generals (Guderian?) = was questioned by a reporter after the war about which was the most significa= nt battle of the war the expected answer was Kursk or Stalingrad. To the surprise of everyone the reply was "The Battle of Britain. If we had won that there could have been no invasion threat and our entire strength wou= ld have been turned on the Russians and we would have won" So I think we should consider the fact that everyone played a part and it= is difficult to pinpoint the most significant contribution. It is at least a= strong possibility that we might have lost the Battle of Britain had it n= ot been for the Poles who fled to England and joined the RAF. They were , in= the main, the only ones who had actually fought the Germans. Our chaps we= re ill equipped,poorly trained in up to date fighting methods and were stil= l flying air display box formations against the Me109 finger four formation= which the Germans had perfected in Spain. Most of our guys with actual battle experience were dead in France. You could of course argue that the war was won by Mitchell and Sidney Cam= =2E If they had not produced the Spitfire and the Hurricane???? .....We could= not have scrambled fighters to intercept without the invention of Radar (= or radiolocation as we called it) by Watson Watt.......The daylight bombing could not have continued without the introduction of the Mustang I wouldn`t for the world wish to denigrate the part played by the U S. a= nd we were damn glad to see you arrive in these islands but I think it is wo= rth remembering that if it wasn`t for us hanging in there, alone, there woul= d have been nowhere from which to launch an invasion . Hitler would have occupied all of Europe and probably Russia and he would have been knockin= g on your door sooner or later. Of course Hitler committed a major mistake by declaring war on the US. Without it you might habe just concentrated on the Pacific. What I woul like to see is an acknowledgement of the part played by the British Navy in the Pacific in the face of specific orders by the Brit hating American Commander that no no help was to be extented to the Royal= Navy in the shape of refuelling, rearming ,re supplying. etc . Luckily individual American Captains had a more enlightened attitude. Yes Matte, I know there were very few Kolbs in the Battle of Britain and probably not many mixed up with the Sturmovics and the whole thing is ver= y `off topic` and I promise not to do it again. Anyone want to continue this `off list`. I love getting other peoples poi= nt of view. Cheers Pat do not archive -- Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 17/05/2006= = = = = ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:48 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" both sides question the decesion to go to war.>> Hi, thanks for your comments. I will certainly agree with that one. <> What a good idea! I have gone for a red/white starburst myself. Perhaps I could put RAF roundels on ot. Cheers Pat do not archive -- Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 17/05/2006 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:30 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Best thing next to popcorn! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" it's entitled ISO 9000...>>>> Sorry mate. That is lost on me but I get the drift Pat do not archive -- Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 17/05/2006 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:54 PM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Kolb-List: WWII story --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer Pat et al, Since we are busy playing hooky while the Tall Dawgs are away doing Monumental Things, I thought I'd stick a short WWII story on my web pg. Click on Next Page at end of book and picture stuff. regards, Bob N. http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:31 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: For Sale: - KOLB FIRESTAR KXP WITH NEW 24' ENCLOSED TRAILER From: "planecrazzzy" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" Hey Todd, I'd like to see pictures of the trailer.... does 5k sound reasonable ? Gotta Fly... Mike in MN -------- .. .. .. .. .Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=35468#35468 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:26 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: WWII story --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Great Story! If you have no objections, that will go in my next EAA442 Newsletter. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Robert Noyer wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer > > Pat et al, > > Since we are busy playing hooky while the Tall Dawgs are away doing > Monumental Things, I thought I'd stick a short WWII story on my web > pg. Click on Next Page at end of book and picture stuff. > > > regards, > Bob N. > http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ > > do not archive > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:04 PM PST US From: "ron wehba" Subject: Kolb-List: help --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" i have been gone for about a week and turned off all email except the kolb list here and yahoo groups, now after I turned everything back on ,,not getting any yahoo group mail any ideas, have checked that all is on and restarted my system..help ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:54 PM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: WWII story --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer Rev Pike, Fine by me. Thanks regards, Bob N. http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:05 PM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: help --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer Ron W ck with Bob Comperini e-mail: bob@fly-ul.com http://www.fly-ul.com regards, Bob N. http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:34 PM PST US From: Robert Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: WWII story --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer And another kinda coincidence: when I was in Navy Primary Training at NAS Grosse Il, MI (a large island very near Detroit) there would be a flight of six or more brand new B-24s, usually line abreast, several times a day steaming right through our airspace, about traffic pattern altitude...fresh out of old Henry's Willow Run aircraft factory. Of course we had no radios, just kept a sharp lookout. Never had a midair, but quite a few skivvies needed a dose of Clorox. Maybe George Shinham's Liberator went by? nah...maybe? regards, Bob N. http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:13 PM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: WWII story --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" Hi Bob, Those 'fly-by' traditions seem to still be alive. While instructing years ago at nearby Ann Arbor, I'd occasionally be confronted while in the pattern by the occasional scud-running freightdog westbound in a Navajo or Beech 18. It was those Zantop Electras that really caught the attention though! Ed in JXN MkII/503 Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Noyer" Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: WWII story > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Noyer > > And another kinda coincidence: when I was in Navy Primary Training at > NAS Grosse Il, MI (a large island very near Detroit) there would be a > flight of six or more brand new B-24s, usually line abreast, several > times a day steaming right through our airspace, about traffic > pattern altitude...fresh out of old Henry's Willow Run aircraft > factory. Of course we had no radios, just kept a sharp lookout. Never > had a midair, but quite a few skivvies needed a dose of Clorox. > > Maybe George Shinham's Liberator went by? nah...maybe? > > > regards, > Bob N. > http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/