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3. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! (GeoR38@aol.com)
4. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! (Ralph Hoover)
5. 08:31 AM - bent ultrastar (Rick Miles)
6. 09:01 AM - Re: bent ultrastar (robert bean)
7. 10:22 AM - Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! (Ralph Hoover)
8. 04:13 PM - Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! (George Bass)
9. 06:45 PM - Re: Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! (jerb)
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| Subject: | Re: Best thing next to popcorn! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 5/19/2006 5:48:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pj.ladd@btinternet.com writes:
Hi Robert and Ralph,
I dont want to start WW3 but when one of the German Generals (Guderian?) was
questioned by a reporter after the war about which was the most significant
battle of the war the expected answer was Kursk or Stalingrad. To the
surprise of everyone the reply was "The Battle of Britain. If we had won
that there could have been no invasion threat and our entire strength would
have been turned on the Russians and we would have won"
So I think we should consider the fact that everyone played a part and it is
difficult to pinpoint the most significant contribution. It is at least a
strong possibility that we might have lost the Battle of Britain had it not
been for the Poles who fled to England and joined the RAF. They were , in
the main, the only ones who had actually fought the Germans. Our chaps were
ill equipped,poorly trained in up to date fighting methods and were still
flying air display box formations against the Me109 finger four formation
which the Germans had perfected in Spain. Most of our guys with actual
battle experience were dead in France.
You could of course argue that the war was won by Mitchell and Sidney Cam.
If they had not produced the Spitfire and the Hurricane???? .....We could
not have scrambled fighters to intercept without the invention of Radar (or
radiolocation as we called it) by Watson Watt.......The daylight bombing
could not have continued without the introduction of the Mustang
I wouldn`t for the world wish to denigrate the part played by the U S. and
we were damn glad to see you arrive in these islands but I think it is worth
remembering that if it wasn`t for us hanging in there, alone, there would
have been nowhere from which to launch an invasion . Hitler would have
occupied all of Europe and probably Russia and he would have been knocking
on your door sooner or later.
Of course Hitler committed a major mistake by declaring war on the US.
Without it you might habe just concentrated on the Pacific.
What I woul like to see is an acknowledgement of the part played by the
British Navy in the Pacific in the face of specific orders by the Brit
hating American Commander that no no help was to be extented to the Royal
Navy in the shape of refuelling, rearming ,re supplying. etc . Luckily
individual American Captains had a more enlightened attitude.
Yes Matte, I know there were very few Kolbs in the Battle of Britain and
probably not many mixed up with the Sturmovics and the whole thing is very
`off topic` and I promise not to do it again.
Anyone want to continue this `off list`. I love getting other peoples point
of view.
Cheers
Pat
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George Randolph
Firestar driver from The Villages, Fl
Rotax 447, 3 blade Ivo, KX, 1991
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 5/19/2006 5:48:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pj.ladd@btinternet.com writes:
Hi Robert and Ralph,
I dont want to start WW3 but when one of the German Generals (Guderian?) was
questioned by a reporter after the war about which was the most significant
battle of the war the expected answer was Kursk or Stalingrad. To the
surprise of everyone the reply was "The Battle of Britain. If we had won
that there could have been no invasion threat and our entire strength would
have been turned on the Russians and we would have won"
So I think we should consider the fact that everyone played a part and it is
difficult to pinpoint the most significant contribution. It is at least a
strong possibility that we might have lost the Battle of Britain had it not
been for the Poles who fled to England and joined the RAF. They were , in
the main, the only ones who had actually fought the Germans. Our chaps were
ill equipped,poorly trained in up to date fighting methods and were still
flying air display box formations against the Me109 finger four formation
which the Germans had perfected in Spain. Most of our guys with actual
battle experience were dead in France.
You could of course argue that the war was won by Mitchell and Sidney Cam.
If they had not produced the Spitfire and the Hurricane???? .....We could
not have scrambled fighters to intercept without the invention of Radar (or
radiolocation as we called it) by Watson Watt.......The daylight bombing
could not have continued without the introduction of the Mustang
I wouldn`t for the world wish to denigrate the part played by the U S. and
we were damn glad to see you arrive in these islands but I think it is worth
remembering that if it wasn`t for us hanging in there, alone, there would
have been nowhere from which to launch an invasion . Hitler would have
occupied all of Europe and probably Russia and he would have been knocking
on your door sooner or later.
Of course Hitler committed a major mistake by declaring war on the US.
Without it you might habe just concentrated on the Pacific.
What I woul like to see is an acknowledgement of the part played by the
British Navy in the Pacific in the face of specific orders by the Brit
hating American Commander that no no help was to be extented to the Royal
Navy in the shape of refuelling, rearming ,re supplying. etc . Luckily
individual American Captains had a more enlightened attitude.
Yes Matte, I know there were very few Kolbs in the Battle of Britain and
probably not many mixed up with the Sturmovics and the whole thing is very
`off topic` and I promise not to do it again.
Anyone want to continue this `off list`. I love getting other peoples point
of view.
Cheers
Pat
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oooops...sorry for duplicate sending.... Pat, one thing you did not mention
was the time line in your dialog about the Battle of Britain. with your
"radar" and "Spitfire" and " hurricane" assets, you had essentially whipped the
Luftwaffte before we even declared war on Germany the Battle of Britain was
"won" when Goring pulled his planes back out of the fray over England at the end
of Sept 1940. That was more than a year before Dec 7 1941, when we finally
made full commitment. I find this an amazing fact that no one seems to talk
about.
Sorry I am soooo far behind on my email...only 415 to go.
George Randolph
Firestar driver from The Villages, Fl
Rotax 447, 3 blade Ivo, KX, 1991
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| Subject: | Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 5/18/2006 4:43:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rlaird@cavediver.com writes:
Ill bet that if you could look deep into the DNA of each and everyone of us,
there would be a chromosome that is shaped like an airplane or helicopter.
Doctors would marvel at the oddness of our idiocy and make every attempt to
analyze it. Insurance companies would work at removing it and the rest of the
world would beg for some of it!
>
> In what we do, we are freaks, and for all that I have done in my life I
thank God for the freakishness in me that the world , in my time , will not
understand. But it should always allow us to love one another. Because, behind
this strong presence of our very macho, tough guy facade, lies a fragile
spirit of love and respect that only wants to give the same.
>
> That's a wrap, here in Ohio, Ralph
Ralph, you are good!! I could end there, but I want you to know that I have
a theory based on fact exactly about that topic....DNA.... and the fetish to
fly. Truly built in.
George Randolph
Firestar driver from The Villages, Fl
Rotax 447, 3 blade Ivo, KX, 1991
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| Subject: | Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@columbus.rr.com>
Disclaimer: The information you are about to read contains no flying
subject matter, other than "bomb sight". If this is not to your liking,
please delete now.
Pat and others,
You have exceeded my level of historic knowledge. I could not even
comment with any real expertise on this subject to respond. I am so
overwhelmed that one tiny country could and almost did, take over the
world. I mean all the things at the time that would have assured their
failure, such as physical distance from countries like America,
Australia and others. Their population numbered, relevant to the rest of
the world at the time as so miniscule as a mosquito would to an
elephant.
There was a saying that my brother-in -law used to use. He was a
commercial painter, you know the guy that paints six million square feet
of shopping mall for parts of a penny per square foot. His saying was "
how do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time". Amazing that this is
really how you could boil down what Hitler's methods were. The
difference is, to paint six million square feet in a given time, you
have to have an appropriate number of people, they need to know their
respective places, have all their tools in place, they need to be fed,
clothed, their equipment maintained, they needed to get to work
(transportation), and they needed motivation (not necessarily the same
motivation).
Add to that leadership at the work level (job site managers, team
leaders, etc), bosses above managers, planners, and still suppliers to
make the equipment to replace the equipment used up. They also would
need the one major thing necessary to every great project that doesn't
fail: common direction. Now I don't know about you boys but if you take
ten people and put them in the same room, they will in time loose
direction, ambition and motivation. At the same time all of these other
things are going on, they're are certain outside sources changing the
framework of the environment that these ten people are working in.
Boggles the mind.
I always tend to look back to the bible for answers, for as Solomon one
said..."there is nothing new under the sun". Then I remember that a like
problem (to the German people in dynamics) was in the Bible. Picture the
difficulty of moving millions of Jews across the desert for forty years!
The scale of supplies, clothing, food, tents, medical and so forth.
Hitler was certainly no Moses (for many reasons to numerous to go into
here), but he did tackle the logistics problem amazingly.
Most of the stories on the History Channel, or Learning Channel, or
Military Channel somehow go back to "that particular" battle as being
the turning point of the war. I don't believe there were ever any
insignificant battles in that war, from the one-on-one in the streets to
the major planned, focused, strategic battles of that whole war! Not
one. And I could never imagine that any single life lost in the effort
to advance the ending of and successful outcome of that war was not a
"turning point".
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Overwhelmed Ralph in Ohio
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Rick Miles <ultrastarrick@yahoo.com>
I discoverd that landing in 4 foot tall hay field is not good on the ultrastar.
bent the nose and fliped on her back sould be fixed by the end of the week.
I was going to raze the nose 11 inch to make it paralel to flight any coments
on this?
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Rick, alfalfa is especially grabby. One foot is all you need.
(experienced in that department)
Check the photoshare archives for Ed Steuber's Ultra.
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On 20, May 2006, at 11:09 AM, Rick Miles wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Rick Miles <ultrastarrick@yahoo.com>
>
> I discoverd that landing in 4 foot tall hay field is not good on the
> ultrastar.
> bent the nose and fliped on her back sould be fixed by the end of
> the week.
> I was going to raze the nose 11 inch to make it paralel to flight
> any coments on this?
>
>
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> save big.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nows a good time to talk about all them MV fliers! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh@Columbus.rr.com>
Mr. Randolph,
"Ralph, you are good!!
"Now my head is going to swell. Thank you very much."
"I could end there, but I want you to know that I have a theory based on fact exactly
about that topic....DNA.... and the fetish to fly. Truly built in. "
I really believe that also. I never knew about the 'natural" before the movie of
the same name. I always believed the difference between one person and another
was the desire accompanied by a like amount of effort.
There are some people that are just a natural for something that they make it look
so easy to the rest of us that we assume anyone can do it. Until we try, then
we discover that I may be able to do the same thing someone else does, most
likely no where near as well or as easily. I guess that this is the perfect
place to share that line of thought. "Flying" is just such a thing. To many of
you, flying becomes second nature. To me it is the largest single challenge I
believe I have ever undertaken. I believe it is somewhere in my DNA, but it probably
not the predominate one.
I have sailed sailboats and could not only read the wind a mile away but smell
the change in it before anyone else around me could. I sailed well. This isn't
bragging, or should not be taken as that, but as part of a persons make-up. I
could get a 14 foot monohaul sailboat called a Tasier, made in Canada up on plane
and beat catamarans! Unheard of. It was just there. I rode motorcycles most
of my life and in the clubber world was well respected as someone who rode
in any situation as though he was born on a bike. A natural. But I have got to
tell you this....In flying "I am no natural"! I love it, I love looking around,
I love the feeling and I lay in bed at night and dream flying. But it takes
all my stuff (right stuff and wrong stuff) to fly. I once said God, I have done
all the things in my life I have ever wanted to do, with two exceptions: fly
a helicopter and play the piano. I think He said, I believe I'll teach you the
piano first. I still don't know how to play the piano, but I decided that I
really didn't want to fly a helicopter, a plane would more than suffice.
I have read a great deal about the mechanics of a helicopter and have determined
that anyone that could do all the things necessary in order to keep one basket
ball on top of another rolling in a predetermined direction was most assuredly
a natural and had the right stuff. That person could be a jerk in real life
or a saint but they did something only a very small group of people could ever
do. I believe people like Matt, the keeper of our site is a natural. Not everyone
can understand the world of "0's" and "1's" and write code and determine
why something gets through and something else doesn't.
There are individuals, much like my wife of 35 years that can look at our basement
and say "lets clean it up". Then there are individuals like me that look at
the same basement and say " I wouldn't know where to begin". I am so blessed
in having a woman that is a natural for me. DNA is the most amazing assignment
of structure placement I could possibly imagine. But, I believe with my all
that everyone is a natural with the right stuff. Sorting that out is certainly
God's task. But I sure love it when I am around others who are a natural and
talk about a subject as near to my heart as flying, and there good at it and they
are willing to share that knowledge with me, so I can at least be adequate.
I thank all of you for the natural in you. The recognition of that knowledge
and the willingness of dragging along under your shirt tails those of us less
equipped, so that we may become somewhat equipped sooner.
Now I am going, after the two plus weeks of rain here in Ohio, to work on the planes
fuel supply system.
Ralph in soggy Ohio!
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=35570#35570
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
Mr. Hoover;
Whether you know it or not, you have the "Right Stuff". Anyone who
could
state the feelings, deductions, directions, doubts and desires, as well
as you
have, is a "front runner" on my list.
I've been flying (off & on) since 1980, but, never achieved a pilot's
license, and
have tried seriously, on several occassions. Each time, something came
to
my life that would detour my path. I now have over 250 hours PIC in GA
craft
and another 260 hours in UL craft. The last time I tried to finish, I
got as far
as the oral exam and my instructor, who is now flying with an airline,
stated
that the examiner actually asked questions that (many of them) that the
CFI
had never heard of and would not have know how to answer them. I
decided
to forget the damn thing and fly whatever, whenever, I could. I've
been a paid
member in USUA since 1984 and have the 20 year pin and certificate to
prove
it. About 2.5 years ago I flew the Grand Champion UL at Copperstate
Fly-in
for the builder (he hadn't flown in 18 years, but, WOW what a builder).
I've never owned a plane, never built one, and have never had the money
to
purchase one, but, I get pure enjoyment from watching, reading, and
dreaming
along with these lists and the people that create, fly, experiment and
develop
the planes that I love. It is almost as good as the comraderie at an
airfield.
You have just stated what most of us know, but, either choose to avoid
it or
simply do not have the faculties to express it, and for that, seeing it
in print,
I commend you.
Thank you,
George Bass
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
I found flying to be much like learning to ride a bike successfully
for the first time. Tip over and fall many times then suddenly all
of a sudden it just comes to you and you ride away, kind of shaky but
staying on it upright. I found that same magic moment occurred when
it came near my soloing. I flew one morning knowing I was near
soloing, couldn't even get the plane lined up yet anything close to a
proper landing. Flew again that afternoon, by then I figured it
would be a while before I soloed, I greased them on one right after
another. Just like riding a bike, it all came together all at
once. Like the bike that first day I wasn't ready to ride between
two closely spaced trees on the first day. Like the bike, I found no
problem landing the plane thereafter.
jerb
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